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----------------------------------------------------------------- 5254. eGroups.com Poll Results Voting Results: Rate your opinion of the DOA 5255. Stian Birkeland Difference in AC Facia Decal 81/82/83 5256. My83DMC(AT)aol.com Re: New DeLorean Toy? 5257. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com Re: no start 5258. AFPrep88(AT)aol.com Re: Delorean Book 5259. Jonathan Heslop VIN checking and breakdown 5260. Mark Noeltner Re: Running VIN numbers 5261. Martin Gutkowski Re: Another funny story 5262. Jonathan Heslop Battery disconnect--pictures 5263. DMC Joe Re: Testing starter Solenoid 5264. DMC Joe Re: Orange lights in the front. Please help! 5265. BRUCE BENSON Re: Difference in AC Facia Decal 81/82/83 5266. magriese(AT)us.ibm.com Re: Torsion bar Epiphany 5267. magriese(AT)us.ibm.com Re: touching up frame 5268. BondAtomic(AT)aol.com Re: New DeLorean Toy? -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:25:48 -0800 From: "eGroups.com Poll Results" <michael.babb(AT)mindspring.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Voting Results: Rate your opinion of the DOA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Here are the results of the vote:
1. Very high opinion 9 2. High Opinion 11 3. Average Opinion 12 4. Only a member for the magazines 16 5. Low Opinion 24
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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 11:50:53 PST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Difference in AC Facia Decal 81/82/83 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Can somebody on the list please shed any light on this one...
I've seen two types of AC facia decals....they are both different on one particular place - the red/blue colors on the warm/cold air switch.
The first one has only the red and blue color surrounding the switch. The other has an intrusion of white lines along the red/blue colors. The font used on the words (like "defrost")numbers (like 1234) are also slightly different.
Whats the story? Whats considered a correct "81" decal and whats considered a correct "82/83" decal?
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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From: My83DMC(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:20:15 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: New DeLorean Toy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,
Ah, yes, I have that toy from when I went to my visit to India.. at first
I thought it was a Back to the Future ripoff, (which it is) but then I
removed all the *stupid* stuff, and it looks to be made from a different
frame.
Supratik
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From: BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:10:45 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: no start MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 12/7/99 1:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, RappaRivaRat(AT)erols.com writes:
<< This will be my fourth battery since new, and only 9800 miles! It has been my experience that a frequently used battery will last much longer than a seldom used one, particularly if the seldom used battery is allowed to become completely or nearly discharged between uses. >>
Ed,
I'm on my third battery since '84. After those replacements, I think I've found the answer, which I also use on my motorcycle. The winters are long (four months) where I live (Upper Michigan) which means the summer toys hibernate during that time. For both vehicles, I adhere to a charging schedule of one day on the charger every month. I have a 10 amp auto charger for the Delorean and a 1.5 amp charger for the bike. The batteries seem to be performing well under this regime.
Burke
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From: AFPrep88(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:29:21 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
That would be the original Sales Brochure for the Delorean. I too have one, and i believe it should be worth around $20.00, but you can'y worry about the price. It is a collector's item
AFPrep88
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From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:22:14 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] VIN checking and breakdown MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lee and others...........
Let's say you wanted to check some special serial numbers such as the twin turbo, but you didn't know the entire VIN. All you knew is that it was 000502. In order to get the info back from CarFax you would have to enter the ENTIRE VIN number, including the "check" digit (9th number). So you would have to guess between 0-9 or X until you got the right one.
The correct VIN for the Twin Turbo is SCEDT26T1BD000502. (Check digit is 2).
Now let's say you wanted to know the history of my car 000697. In my case the check digit is 9. Full VIN: SCEDT26T9BD000697.
I really don't know the purpose of check digits, I assume they're just there to cut down on mis-entered numbers. Our three digit account number at our country club used to have a extra number at the end for just that purpose. I guess if the billing people entered it wrong, the computer would reject the number.
In the car club that I run, we use the calculator a lot for research on the Cadillac Allanté. We try to track down final production numbers for the years and two versions (hardtop/convertible or convertible). We can guess the serial numbers, then use the calculator for the check digit. Otherwise we would have to guess a maximum of 11 times for a single VIN.
In Nick's case, he had 16 digit VIN with a 9 in 8th position. In my VIN, any all others I've seen, have a T in the 8th position. By inserting the T right before, it didn't change the 9 which meant it was mathematically correct. It was a guess that by chance they left out the T on his. Just a guess--not saying anything is wrong with his VIN.
I saw the exact formula listed once and it was REALLY complex. I emailed the file to a fellow DML'er and hopefully he'll post it on a FTP site for everyone.
Anyone know how the DeLorean VIN breaks down?? For GM vehicles it's in the pattern as follows (93 Cadillac Allante is the example)
1G6VS3399PU128044
1=USA G=General Motors 6=Cadillac VS=Allante Convertible 3=Body style 62V, 2-door coupe convertible 3=Manual seat belts w/ air bag 9=4.6 liter V8 DOHC (Northstar) 9=check digit P=Year of manufacture - 1993 U=Final assembly - Hamtramck, MI 128044=serial number which started at 125001 (started at 100001 for those cars shipped with a hardtop)
Now this could be the same format for the DeLorean??? (My 81)
S=Ireland or UK? C=DMC? E=DeLorean? D=?? T=?? 2=2 door, two seat coupe? 6=manual belts? T=2.8 liter V6 engine? 9=check digit B=Year of manufacture-1981 (B is correct for 1981) D=North Belfast? 100697=serial number.
Can anyone confirm any of these numbers and letters by comparing them with other British VINs?
Thanks, --Jonathan #000697
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Excuse this question, maybe I missed something some where.....
If I read the vin number on the door post of my DeLorean and do some sort of calculation the answer will confirm that the vin number stamped into the metal ID plate is correct? I don't get it? whats the point in that? The vin number is what it is, I can see a number being miss stamped at the plant, but once it is stamped into the metal what ever it may be, thats what gets recorded on all the paper work...That number is by it's very existence correct
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:22:18 -0800 From: "Mark Noeltner" <mnoeltne(AT)ezl.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991207082104.01313b80(AT)207.95.192.54> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Running VIN numbers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lee,
The check digit isn't there to check the number on the plate. As you said, that number had BETTER be right!
It's there to allow a computer system to check the data entry person who punches it into a system. For example the DMV when you take it in to transfer the title and get license plates. If the person at the DMV types it in wrong the check digit will catch that and force them to try again.
Mark N VIN 6820
lee <suppor-(AT)radiance.com> wrote: > > Excuse this question, maybe I missed something some where..... > > If I read the vin number on the door post of my DeLorean and do some sort > of calculation > the answer will confirm that the vin number stamped into the metal ID plate > is correct? I don't get it? whats the point in that? The vin number is > what it is, I can see > a number being miss stamped at the plant, but once it is stamped into the > metal what ever > it may be, thats what gets recorded on all the paper work...That number is > by it's very existence correct. > > Lee > > > > support(AT)radiance.com > > NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, > Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent > to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the > amount of $500 US. > E-Mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:19:44 +0000 From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster(AT)delorean.co.uk> References: <0.8dc00ded.257d62d2(AT)aol.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Another funny story MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I would beg to differ when you ask at the stalls for books and printed material. We always turn up new stuff at every show. For example at the last show Ian Titley picked up over 50 original Newspaper cuttings on the DeLorean saga. I myself found a number of original brochures, but all too expensive!
ALL the booksellers know about SSI - and they ALL "wish they had it"!
What memorobilia are you looking for exactly? The isn't a hell of a lot out there save some very unique stuff, and most of it in the US.
I wear my DMC sweatshirt for the stand, and had three seperate people (one a stallholder himself) stopping me to talk about our stand, and how they "love" the car.
Martin http://www.delorean.co.uk
UNCLEUMP(AT)aol.com wrote:
> While in England, early in November, I was able to attend their big car show > (the NEC). I went to each & every dealer selling auto memorabilia (there > were several!) and asked for DeLorean related material. Mostly, I received > blank stares after being asked to repeat myself. One guy laughed at me. > Another said "...why isn't that just an Irish tin box"? > > Yet, while my D was at the shop, a customer asked me if it "...cost $100k or > $200k". > > It's a shame that after 18 years, the general public really has no clue what > the DeLorean is!! Then again, that's one of the reasons why I love the D so > much! > > mATT > #6770 > >
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From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:22:56 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Battery disconnect--pictures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hey all..........
Several people emailed wanting a better description or picture. I went ahead and setup a page for them with 2 pictures.
http://www.mindspring.com/~gatewayaag/batt.html
If you want one, email me ASAP--I'm placing the order this Friday. Thanks!
--Jonathan #000697
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From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> References: <0.7a766bd9.257dba70(AT)aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:38:50 -0800 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Testing starter Solenoid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
David,
Bench testing the starter and solenoid is relatively easy. You'll need a good high amperage 12V source (battery with jumper cables will do the job). There are 5 electrical connections leading from the starter solenoid, 2 large post, 2 small post and 1 pig tail lead. Clamp the positive jumper cable from you 12V power source to the small post that does not have the copper strip. Touch the ground lead from your power source to the starter body, (be prepared for a high current arc). You will hear the solenoid engage and see the starter drive gear move outward if the solenoid is working properly.
"Happy Holiday's" from DMC Joe De Lorean Services / website: <deloreanservices.com>
----- Original Message ----- From: <Delorean17(AT)aol.com> To: <dmcnews(AT)egroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 5:18 PM Subject: [DML] Testing starter Solenoid
> Hello, > I took my starter in on my 81 DeLorean today because I can't get it to > work. (its been sitting for a year) The starter shop said its perfect. I > am going to do the starter update soon but I should still hear the starter > move a little. I am guessing it could be the starter solenoid. As long as > the starter is off I would like to see if the solenoid swings over and > engages. what is the easiest to check this? The battery is brand new. > someone once told me how to do this but I no longer have the email. > > Thanks > > David > vin#2496-still needs right quarter panel
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From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> References: <19991207162842.84268.qmail(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:43:29 -0800 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Orange lights in the front. Please help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Stian,
The D.O.T. (government agency that establishes ground vehicle lighting standards in the USA) requires the following: All passenger cars must have 2 front and 2 rear corner mounted parking lights, amber in front and red at the rear. They must operate independently of the headlights and with the headlights. These lights can also double as directional signals. Four corner side mounted marker lights are required, amber front red rear. They may also double as directional signals but are not required to do so. The marker lights are generally wired across the same circuit as the parking lights.
Happy Holiday's DMC Joe / De Lorean Services Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
----- Original Message ----- From: Stian Birkeland <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com> To: <dmcnews(AT)egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:28 AM Subject: [DML] Orange lights in the front. Please help!
> > Unfamiliar with the "American standard" regarding lights on a DeLorean, I > have 3 questions: > > 1) When are the orange lights in the front of the car supposed to come on? > Only at parking? When you drive and using headlights (low beam??? > > 2) Are the orange lights in the front supposed to be turn-indicators also??? > Are they suppose to flash together with the side markers? > > 3)If someone has messed in this area, where in the car can you change this > back to the "American standard"??? > > The reason I ask is that in Norway, you are allowed to change back the > lighting system to the original system wherever in the world that may be. In > other words if you import a DeLorean from Europe that was modified in that > particular European country after being exported from the USA, then you can > modify it back to its original condition and not comply to EEC lights > regulations. (Norway is not a member of the EEC, so we are allowed to do > this still). > > Best wishes > Stian Birkeland > NORWAY > > ______________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator(AT)dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/dmcnews/?m=1 > > >
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From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)worldnet.att.net> References: <19991207195053.77556.qmail(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:16:48 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Difference in AC Facia Decal 81/82/83 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The fascia panel was updated from vin # 1964 on. The functions of the hardware were unchanged.
Bruce Benson
> Can somebody on the list please shed any light on this one... > > I've seen two types of AC facia decals....they are both different on one > particular place - the red/blue colors on the warm/cold air switch. > Stian Birkeland
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From: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:56:51 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Torsion bar Epiphany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The torsion bars do not lose their spring if they are not used. The gas struts will lose their effectiveness over time, particularly if they are stored compressed like they are when a DeLorean door is closed.
Michael A. Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880
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From: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:03:14 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: touching up frame MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
David wrote:
>He said that spray-in bedliner works the best. Thats what he used on his truck frame and it looks great. He said its available in spray bottles at most automotive stores. has anyone ever heard of this? <
The spray-in bedliner that I am familiar with is based on the same stuff that is the active ingredient in super-glue. The results are great, however the stuff is highly toxic before it sets up. The guy who applied it to my wife's truck used a full fresh air breather to apply it.
Michael A. Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880
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From: BondAtomic(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:15:43 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: New DeLorean Toy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sure, Ian, I would like a JPEG of it. Thanks!
John Feldman
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