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4775. Iznodmad(AT)aol.com          Re: Gas Smell
4776. fnxrising(AT)earthlink.net   Re: a cooler DMC
4777. DMC3309(AT)aol.com           Re: People's Comments
4778. saintern                  Engine clean up
4779. Chip Shirek               Re: Delorean on E!
4780. Marc A Levy               Re: The DOA and the DML
4781. Carson Clark              Chat Transcript
4782. DMC Joe                   Re: Idle at Warm-up
4783. DMC Joe                   Re: Gas Smell
4784. DMC Joe                   Re: Headlight Switch?
4785. DMC Joe                   Re: More E!
4786. Rob Hook                  Re: People's Comments
4787. Christopher Hawes         Wankel Rotary
4788. Jonathan Heslop           Re: turbo supplier-
4789. Delorean17(AT)aol.com        A Dupont DeLorean?
4790. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Re: The DOA and the DML
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From: Iznodmad(AT)aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:48:38 EST
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Rossem,
     You might want to start by inspecting the fuel pump area and fuel pump 
itself to make sure it is seated down properly and the rubber is still in 
good condition.  You may also want to check the seal of the fuel sending 
unit.  It has a notch which when not seated properly will leak gas enough to 
smell in the cabin, especially if you top off the gas tank.  

Good luck,
Darren Decker 
Vin 5000

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:04:48 -0800
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Anybody interested in the bleed kit might also wish to contact Darry
Tinnerstet of Specialty Automotive or Arnie Brandon, President of the
Pacific Northwest Delorean Club, as I believe they have some available. 
Both are subscribers to the DML.

David Loeffler
vin # 4667
Bricklin vin #2910

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680

Lee wrote:
> 
> At 04:34 AM 11/18/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >
> >
> >       Just a passing note on DMC-12 cooling.
> >
> additional information:
> 
>         I have received a deluge of request for information and availability/cost
> of the bleed kits. I will speak to Ken M. our association president.  Any
> one interested might want to drop by the NCDMC Internet site for a posting
> about the bleed kit.
>         Thanks for all the interest and messages - I am sure the NCDMC can at
> least post part numbers and installation instructions.
> 
> Lee
> 
>

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Ace Frehley of Kiss did indeed have a Delorean.  It is also true that he did have an accident with it and was very serverly injuired.  He was intoxicated and evading the police at the time of the accident. I think it was around early 1982.

Robert
VIN 3309

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:12:10 -0500
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does anyone know of a good way of getting the back section of the underbody
that surrounds the engine back to its original color......I've tried to
clean it , and it looks nice, but when I come back the next day it looks
like it lost the deep black color to it.....I was thinking of using "BAck to
Black"....any ideas/suggestions?
-Donald Kazmark
vin 3541

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From: "Chip Shirek" <cshirek(AT)mail.deipro.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:06:37 -0700
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To anybody who applies,

I recorded the episode of JZD on E! the first time it was put out. If
anybody wants a copy, e-mail me at home at rubberneck1(AT)home.com and we'll
figure something out.

I also am looking to get ahold of Mimi or hank breer. I think they're on
this list but i havn't seen a posting of theirs in a while. If you two are
on here, please get a hold of me via e-mail or whatever re: the DMC x-mas
parade.

540 forever

chip
vin #1230

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:19:46 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com>
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A few years back when I was new to the DeLorean community, I looked in
to joining the DOA.  For me, I was looking for the technical content
that would have been available to me in the purchase of the back issues
of DeLorean World magazine.  Frankly, I did not think it was worth the
money to buy the back issues (I may have been wrong, but who knows.) but
more importantly I did not like what I felt was a conflict of interest
between D1 and the DOA. Even if that conflict did not exist, I dont know
that I would have gotten $65 a year worth of value from the DOA. That
issue has been discussed many times here before, although not recently. 

I instead decided to join the local DeLorean club (I think it was $12)
to participate in the activities, and get what technical information I
could.  This was a "New Jersey" club that seems to have vanished, and
merged in to the DeLorean Mid Atlantic club which I am now a member of. 
Between the DML, and the local club I get all I think I need, and I hope
this does not change.

IMHO, the DML archives are the best place to get the answer to any
question you have (technical or non) about the DeLorean.  The ability to
search through huge amounts of data on line for free, and get a number
of opinions and answers to your question beats paying $350 to buy a
bunch of dead trees to take up space in your house, that you have to
thumb through to find the single opinion of the DOA/D1 on the topic.

Mike Substelny wrote:
<SNIP>
> In my new role as a moderator, I sense that the DML is in a similar predicament. The greatest number of complaints we
> get BY FAR are from subscribers who are overwhelmed by the volume of DML postings.  Even the digest has become
> burdensome to read (I've tried).  The only relief we could offer would be to reject more posts, especially on topics
> that have been repeated many times.  Unfortunately, subscribers complaining that we reject too many of their posts
> probably ranks a distant second among complaint classifications.
> 
> Both the DML and the DOA constantly walk an editorial tightrope, trying to please as many people as possible without
> tipping over toward either side.  For the sake of the DeLorean community, I hope that both groups do a 'good enough'
> job.
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:33:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Carson Clark <cnsandog(AT)yahoo.com>
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Is it possible to get a transcript of the chat session from last week? 

I guess the first question would be do those chat sessions get logged? 
I know for those of us who could not make it for the session it would
nice to read over what was said.  Oh well just a thought....

=====
C

VIN 16367
__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:12:04 -0500
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REM,

This is the normal function of the warm up circuit.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

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> From: defiantint(AT)aol.com
> 
> Hello again,
> When my car is first started, the idle cycles very high and low.
> After about 45 seconds or so, the car is warmed up and the problem is
> gone.
> Is this normal?  It seems kind of extreme.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> >REM

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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:18:49 -0500
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Rossem--,
Most fuel orders originate in the fuel pump area. Inspect the fuel pump
cover boot and sending unit for fuel leakage. (FOLLOW SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AT
B:01:01 IN THE WORKSHOP MANUAL)

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

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> From: defiantint(AT)aol.com
> 
> Hello,
> I just started to get a gasoline smell in the passenger cabin.
> Any ideas on what to start diagnosing?
> Thanks in advance.
> Rossem-->

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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:52:37 -0500
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REM,
The first thing to do is remove the binnacle and clean all of the contacts
of both electrical connectors and plugs at the rear of the instrument
cluster.
If that does not correct the problem contact us for more test procedures.

There are only two bulbs in the tail light assembly that are part of the
parking light circuit. If the problem is not related to the bulbs it is
probably the standard "stressed connections" at the tail light circuit
boards.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

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> From: defiantint(AT)aol.com
> 
> I seem to have three problems which are related, but not sure which
> part has failed.
> 
> On the dash, when my low beams are on, the hi beam indicatior is lit
> but very dim.  When you look at the actual lights, it is accurate.  The
> low beams do start to turn on the high beams.  Also the taillights do
> not illuminate, but the break lights still work.
> 
> Can anyone buy me a clue?
> Thanks.
> >REM
> 

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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:23:47 -0500
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We don't know when the program is scheduled for re-broadcast but we do know
where you can purchase video tape copies of the show. Contact us directly
if you need this information.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

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> From: thai vu <thaiqvu(AT)yahoo.com>
> To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: More E!
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:31 PM
> 
> Does any body know when the E! channel will
> re-broadcast JZD?  I meant to watch and record it, but
> missed.
> 
> Thanks much,

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From: Rob Hook <rob_hook(AT)pop.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:54:32 -0500
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Also, there was a coffee-table book written about Kiss and Ace Frehley.  A 
piece of the DeLorean came with each copy of the book for a while.  I've 
been looking everywhere for one of those! :)

--Rob Hook

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Ace Frehley of Kiss did indeed have a Delorean.  It is also true that he 
did have an accident with it and was very serverly injuired.  He was 
intoxicated and evading the police at the time of the accident. I think it 
was around early 1982.

Robert
VIN 3309

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From: "Christopher Hawes" <cmhdevelopment(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:40:30 GMT
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Regrading the Wankel Rotary engine although small and light I have heard 
that the reliability was not as strong as 'regular; engines and certainly a 
little bit more thirsty on the jungle juice.

Am I right about the above points???

Christopher M. Hawes
DMD (Delorean Model Dealership)

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From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:46:05 -0600
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I'm not going to argue with you that 20 grand isn't a lot of money, but
you've got to remember that these folks are in the business of making money.
With the engineering, modifications, parts, and time put into this project,
$20,000 is a reasonable price.

Being a Cadillac guy, I know you can pick up a used Northstar for anywhere
between $4K-$8K.  I just had the chance of buying the smaller "Northstar"
used in the Olds Aurora for $3,000.  I had to turn it down because my D. is
an automatic--otherwise I would have jumped on it.

So take it easy on these guys, if you develope something this cool wouldn't
you want some good money for it??

--Jonathan  #000697
St. Louis, MO

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Is that what it cost for the Northstar engine?  $20,000!  If that is
for a stock, nothing special Cadilac engine that is INSANE!  You have
to be able to do far better for far less money.  Surely you could come
up with a better horsepower to dollar ratio.

If I am missing something here please let me know, maybe that engine is
worth the money-- I am not an expert.

C

Vin 16367

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From: Delorean17(AT)aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:04:05 EST
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Hello,
    I recently purchased a black 81 DeLorean that needs a fair amount of 
work.  The car was involved in a miner accident on the right side.  It sat in 
the insurance yard for a whole year with a broken window, the interior is 
completly ruined(except dash).  ANYWAYS  The original owner bought it back 
from the insurance company and then sold it to me.  He bought the car new in 
Pennsylvania from a dealer with 1,500 miles on it.  The car was black when he 
got it.  The dealer told him that Dupont painted the car to prove that their 
paint would stick to stainless.  I have heard about dupont cars, could myne 
be one?  the vin# is 2496 with gas flap on hood and black interior.  I know 
the number isnt real early but it seems like DeLorean would start making a 
few cars before they would let dupont mess with them.  The title says "new" 
and color: black.  If anyone knows what vins were tested by Dupont please 
respond.  The paint is starting to oxidise so I think I am going to strip it 
this summer.  I just think it would be neat to know if this was a test car.  

I also need a set of USED seats that are in decent condition. Also, Does any 
dealer out there sell carpet as a kit?  DMC Houston does not yet sell kits 
but said they will in the near future.  Carpet ALONE is over $1059.00 if each 
piece is bought separate.  (I'm in high school and dont have that kind of 
money, is there another solution?)

Thanks
vin#2496-its coming back!

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From: BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:06:28 EST
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In a message dated 11/19/99 4:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com writes:

<< the DML archives are the best place to get the answer to any
 question you have (technical or non) about the DeLorean.  The ability to
 search through huge amounts of data on line for free, and get a number
 of opinions and answers to your question beats paying $350 to buy a
 bunch of dead trees to take up space in your house, that you have to
 thumb through to find the single opinion of the DOA/D1 on the topic. >>

Marc,

I agree.  I was a member of the DOA in the mid '80s for three or four years, 
and at the time, Delorean info was scarce, and it seemed like the only 
choice.  But today, with the Internet and the sharing of info like the DML, 
it makes little sense to pay $65/year for a magazine that is only published 
four times a year.  And the pricing of the back issues for $350, must have 
been dreamed up by a former Britanica salesman!

Folks, keep this list going, it's a great resource.

Burke

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