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3514. John Hanley               Re: re-gassed struts
3515. R W Brawley               how many seats? FAQ doesn't say
3516. Ryan McCaffrey            VIN question
3517. Duke                      '81 DeLorean for sale
3518. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: DMC in Florida
3519. ABatt10347(AT)aol.com        Re-gasing struts
3520. ABatt10347(AT)aol.com        Re: Bruce- newbie
3521. Orlando Lopez             Re: DMC in Florida
3522. dstall(AT)gvi.net            Internet powered DMC influence - A stroke for Sta
3523. Rob van der Veer          Re: how many seats? FAQ doesn't say
3524. Waernst(AT)aol.com           Re: newbie question
3525. James Espey               First '82 VIN (was: VIN question)
3526. James Espey               Re: Book in UK
3527. Murray Fisher             Bruce Newbie
3528. DMC Joe                   Re: DMC in Florida
3529. Stian Birkeland           Where are the molding dies?
3530. jtrealty(AT)webspan.net      WINTER STORAGE
3531. King, Bob                 Nationwide Insurance horror story
3532. Mike Substelny            Anyone Driving to Expo via NY, PA, OH, IN, IL?
3533. DMC5524(AT)aol.com           Re: Internet powered DMC influence - A stroke for
3534. James Espey               Re: Internet powered DMC influence - Insurance
3535. thai vu                   Re: Third brake light
3536. magriese(AT)us.ibm.com       Original Window Lifts
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I can't speak for the lifespan (seeing Dave this weekend and will ask) bu=
t
I don't think
anyone over here has a bad word to say.
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ago with a new one and that replacement is now failing.
John =
VIN 16369
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I haven't been able to find any info on how many seats a DMC12 has.
Is it a 2 seater, or a 2+2 [the +2 being a typically unuseable set of rear seats?
The FAQ doesn't say.
Wulf

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Hey everyone,
I've got a question that I haven't been able to find the answer to on
any of the major DMC websites:  Is there a definitive answer as to what
VIN the 1982's start with?  Was it 10000 or 10001?  I've heard both
answers from different people.
I'm just kind of curious as to how early my '82 (#10014) is.  Am I
number 14 or 15?
Thanks,
Ryan McCaffrey
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I am selling my '81 that I have had for 13 years.  It is an automatic w/ bl=
ack interior, gas flap, ground effect package, rear wing, Trans Am seats ('=
95 model), and Alpine stereo system w/ Alpine alarm (email for details on s=
tereo,  it is sponsored by Alpine electronics) It has 101k miles and I just=
 finished rebuilding the engine on Wednesday.  There is no body damage and =
the car is a daily driver.  It is in excellent condition.  I'm asking 18,00=
0 but will consider any reasonable offer due to cash flow problems.  It has=
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wing,&nbsp;Trans Am seats ('95 model), and Alpine stereo system w/&nbsp;Alp=
ine =
alarm (email for details on stereo,&nbsp;&nbsp;it is sponsored by Alpine =
electronics) It has 101k miles and I just finished rebuilding the engine on=
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Wednesday.&nbsp; There is no body damage and the car is a daily driver.&nbs=
p; It =
is in excellent condition.&nbsp; I'm asking 18,000 but will consider any =
reasonable offer due to cash flow problems.&nbsp; It has all updates and se=
rvice =
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Dave,
The only opinion I can give is based upon my DMC, which was bought from 
Orlando.  As far as the frame rust, mine, to the best of my examination, has 
none.  The tie rods have suffered some small amounts of rust, but these are 
very small areas.  The interior seems to have suffered far more than the body 
and frame, with some heat cracks on the seats and severe cracking on the 
binnacle.  Possibly the worst of the car was the bleaching of the painted 
areas (the front and rear) and black metal areas (the engine cover/louvers) 
but I believe had this car been properly maintained over the years, this 
probably wouldn't have been the case. 
Scott
16738
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Martin,
Can you (after your vist) write up the process and possible photos of the 
re-gasing process. I for one would like more info. Not that any of us would 
ever try this process on our own, (cost, danger, etc..) being factors. Just 
sounds like something I know nothing about and would like to learn more.
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569
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Bruce,
Roger V. could have not said it better. The key to our cars is in maintaining 
them. As for the impression that they are all problems, not true. The DML is 
a vast source of information. Please feel free to ask questions. The only 
thing we all love more than driving our cars is helping others. There are not 
many automobiles that can claim such a following. From DMC Joe, Rob, Stephen 
and Don, ( for parts and info) to the posters here on the DML you have 
information to help in any situation. As with any subject take the advice and 
come to your own conclusions. As an owner it takes some time and money to 
keep my car as a daily driver. But the sheer fun of driving it makes the time 
and money worth it. 
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569
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I've had my DeLorean for about a year now in Miami and with the previous
owner for about 4+ Years in central Florida.  The car has been garaged by
myself whenever possible and when not it was kept parked under a nylon
carport to keep out the sun and the rain.  My car originally had a small
spot or two of rust which i repaired but I never noticed any increasing rust
or anything of the sort.  The biggest cause of frame rust that I know of is
snow / freezing tempatures which should not be a problem in Florida :)
Orlando Lopez
Systems Solution, Corp.
Irvine, CA 92612
E-Mail: olopez(AT)ssccompany.com
Voice: (949)252-0366 x 18
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Does anyone know how well the DeLorean holds up outside in the rain?
Here in Florida, it rains at least once a week:)  Does it have any
effects on the D like the frame rusting prematurely or something?
Thanks,
-Dave 12's
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Recently, I reviewed the information on insurance on Deloreans after
receiving notice from State Farm (Kansas) that they were not going to
my car insurance (stated value policy) due to high cost of repair. I
noted the posting from Raddad (my applolgy is that isn't correct
reference) experience with State Farm in Kansas of not renewing after
the first policy expired.  Armed with printouts from "the Group" re
State Farm being a great source of insurance for DMC's in other states
and the fact that I certainly would communicate my displeasure with
State Farm to the dmcnews group, my agent (Debbie Swinney, Olathe, KS)
went to the matt with her underwriter and got the policy cancellation
reversed.  Thanks to a good agent and your communications and the
"force" of the internet, WE WON ONE!
DaveS
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Hi Wulf,
The D is a real 2-seater. You only get a small luggage comparment behind the
seats.. You can put your golf clubs in there - that's about it!
Yours,
Rob van der Veer
VIN3695
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I haven't been able to find any info on how many seats a DMC12 has.
Is it a 2 seater, or a 2+2 [the +2 being a typically unuseable set of rear
seats?
The FAQ doesn't say.
Wulf
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Bruce- Narrowly speaking, yeah, there are going to be ongoing maintenance 
needs if you buy and drive a DeLorean.  I've heard one owner describe it as a 
"special needs" car.  First, it's old as daily drive cars go.  Any 1981 or 82 
car that hasn't had a lot of $$$ sprinkled on it in recent years is probably 
as classy as a dumpster.  Door struts for instance, or even the ones on my 
van, will poop out a lot sooner than 18 years.  That's just normal.  Then 
there are the distincly DeLorean annoyances like the wimpy French alternator 
in the earlier cars or the central door lock system that fries and locks you 
in your own car.  But any car or automaker has it's weaknesses.  I love my 
'95 Neon but any used car rating guide will tell you to avoid '95  Neons.  My 
son has one too.  It's had struts, motor mount, brakes, headlite relays, turn 
signals, the rack & pinion assembly, speakers and even the entire exterior 
paint replaced  as defective... all while still under warranty.  But we still 
like our Neons. 
If you want a maintenance free car, you definitely don't want to buy an 18 
year old car, from an individual, with no warranty and partial repair records 
for a cost about the sticker price of  a new car.  (I hear the Honda Prelude 
is a very nice car.)
And frankly, if you spend $5000. fixing up a car, any car, it usually won't 
raise the value of the car by $5000.  It just doesn't seem to work that way. 
But if, like me,  you've always thought gullwing doors are the coollest 
accessory available, and if you hate to see rust pop through the 
quarterpanels of your favorite car, and love the idea of a stainless body, 
and if you don't mind sports car cramping with a Neon sized engine,  and 
think it's pretty neat to own a limited edition car that turns heads, well 
then you'll probably really like the DeLorean!          - Wayne
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A company memorandum that we have here states that the last 81 was 07199,
and the first 82 was 10001. I think there is a gentleman here on the list
that has both of those particular cars for sale.
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
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800/USA-DMC1
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At 11:42 PM -0500 9/30/99, Ryan McCaffrey wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>I've got a question that I haven't been able to find the answer to on
>any of the major DMC websites:  Is there a definitive answer as to what
>VIN the 1982's start with?  Was it 10000 or 10001?  I've heard both
>answers from different people.
>
>I'm just kind of curious as to how early my '82 (#10014) is.  Am I
>number 14 or 15?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ryan McCaffrey
>#10014
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Per Martins advice, I checked at Amazon.co.uk and they have no infomration
on thi sbook. I posted a message to the Lotus cars mailing list and
received three replies,f two had never heard of the book, and one from a
man that specializes in Lotus books who claims that it was planned but
never published for legal reasons...
James Espey
At 10:35 PM -0500 9/29/99, dmcvegas(AT)worldnet.att.net wrote:
>Does anyone here know how to go about finding a book that's only
>availible in the UK? Recently I went to the university looking for a
>copy of "Start Up" (see the archives), while I was at the library, I
>logged onto the international card catalogue, and there I a more recent
>book available (1990), but only in the UK titled "The DeLorean-Chapman
>Conspiracy" by Robin Wright. If any could offer me some tips on
>locating a copy, I would greatly apperciate it! Thanks in advance!
>
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I suppose NO ONE has a typical situation in owning/driving a DeLorean.   I =
am rarely on here because I never (knock on wood) have had any problem to a=
sk about.  I enjoy reading the problems and solutions tho, and keep a file =
just in case.  Of course that is what this digest if for mainly..I bought m=
y car 2 1/2 years ago from the original owner with 3K miles on it.  I proba=
bly paid more than most do but wanted to at least start with basically a go=
od car.  I had read all the "horror" stories re everything that is bad abou=
t a low mileage car....rubber being rotten everywhere etc.  None of it has =
come true in my case.  Mine is a daily driver, although in our town we can =
drive from one city limit to the other in ten minutes so it is hard to pile=
 up much mileage.   I just enjoy it and use it for a second car in town mai=
nly.   I have done nothing to it except change the fluids and a new battery=
.  There is nary a drop of oil or anti freeze under the car.  IT starts ins=
tantly and the air conditioning keeps me cool and heater keeps me warm.  It=
 is an automatic which I preferred.  Everything works.  I have owned lots o=
f cars (I am 78) and have driven many with a gear shift and enjoyed them.  =
I have gotten to the point where I am tired of rowing thru the gears all th=
e time tho and am in no hurry to go anywhere. From the various publications=
 and information I have seen, apparently there were about eight 5 speeds to=
 1 automatic built.  It is always a gamble in buying ANY used car.   The ow=
ner can be a preacher and lie like crazy about his mileage and his cars con=
dition!  Ho ho.  You just don't really know what you are getting most of th=
e time.  But that applies to ANY car.  Like I said at first, no one has a t=
ypical situation.  In my case I don't put a lot of mileage on my car and ma=
ybe if I drove it 15K miles a month my story would be different.  I have th=
e original NCT tires on mine which still look like new, but I will probably=
 replace them soon just to get a little better ride.  They are not checked =
or cracked in any way.   I guess I should qualify that above remark a littl=
e.  My only electrical problem was the clock not working.  After much advic=
e from various sources, I found the solution was that I needed a new batter=
y...It had a new battery when I purchased the car, but had developed a dead=
 cell...  Also the torsion bars on my doors needed adjusting, and in lieu o=
f anyone in the boonies here to work on them, I got the info from the DeLor=
ean World magazine and built my own jig and now can do it quicky and easily=
 (and safely) myself (with one helper).  FWIW Department.
Murray Fisher
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<DIV>I suppose NO ONE has a typical situation in owning/driving a =
DeLorean.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am rarely on here because I never (knock on wood) h=
ave =
had any problem to ask about.&nbsp; I enjoy reading the problems and soluti=
ons =
tho, and keep a file just in case.&nbsp; Of course that is what this digest=
 if =
for mainly..I bought my car 2 1/2 years ago from the original owner with 3K=
 =
miles on it.&nbsp; I probably paid more than most do but wanted to at least=
 =
start with basically a good car.&nbsp; I had read all the "horror" stories =
re =
everything that is bad about a low mileage car....rubber being rotten every=
where =
etc.&nbsp; None of it has come true in my case.&nbsp; Mine is a daily drive=
r, =
although in our town we can drive from one city limit to the other in ten =
minutes so it is hard to pile up much mileage.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just enjoy it =
and =
use it for a second car in town mainly.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have done nothing to =
it =
except change the fluids and a new battery.&nbsp; There is nary a drop of o=
il or =
anti freeze under the car.&nbsp; IT starts instantly and the air conditioni=
ng =
keeps me cool and heater keeps me warm.&nbsp; It is an automatic which I =
preferred.&nbsp; Everything works.&nbsp; I have owned lots of cars (I am 78=
) and =
have driven many with a gear shift and enjoyed them.&nbsp; I have gotten to=
 the =
point where I am tired of rowing thru the gears all the time tho and am in =
no =
hurry to go anywhere. From the various publications and information I have =
seen, =
apparently there were about eight 5 speeds to 1 automatic built.&nbsp; It i=
s =
always a gamble in buying ANY used car.&nbsp;&nbsp; The owner can be a prea=
cher =
and lie&nbsp;like crazy about his mileage and his cars condition!&nbsp; Ho =
ho.&nbsp; You just don't really&nbsp;know what you are getting most of the =
time.&nbsp; But that applies to ANY car.&nbsp; Like I said at first, no one=
 has =
a typical situation.&nbsp; In my case I don't put a lot of mileage on my ca=
r and =
maybe if I drove it 15K miles a month&nbsp;my story would be different.&nbs=
p; I =
have the original NCT tires on mine which still look like new, but I will =
probably replace them soon just to get a little better ride.&nbsp; They are=
 not =
checked or cracked in any way.&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess I should qualify that ab=
ove =
remark a little.&nbsp; My only electrical problem was the clock not =
working.&nbsp; After much advice from various sources, I found the solution=
 was =
that I needed a new battery...It had a new battery when I purchased the car=
, but =
had developed a dead cell...&nbsp; Also the torsion bars on my doors needed=
 =
adjusting, and in lieu of anyone in the boonies here to work on them, I got=
 the =
info from the DeLorean World magazine and built my own jig and now can do i=
t =
quicky and easily (and safely) myself (with one helper).&nbsp; FWIW =
Department.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Murray Fisher</DIV>
<DIV>Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII</DIV>
<DIV>Washington State&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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The DeLorean is probably the best wet weather vehicle to own. The totally
non-corrosive stainless steel and fiberglass body will last indefinitely
and is impervious to water damage. Like any other car, salt used for ice
melting on city streets can attack the frame wherever the epoxy coating is
damaged or missing. This is not a problem in warm climates such as Florida.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: dtwelves(AT)hotmail.com
> To: dmcnews(AT)eGroups.com
> Subject: [DML] DMC in Florida
> Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 5:18 PM
> 
> Does anyone know how well the DeLorean holds up outside in the rain? 
> Here in Florida, it rains at least once a week:)  Does it have any
> effects on the D like the frame rusting prematurely or something?
> Thanks,
> -Dave 12's

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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:21:14 PDT
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We all know that the body dies are in the ocean, but where are the molding 
dies from which DMC Ltd. made the glassfibre underbodies?
Did anyone buy these dies? There must have been quite a few of those since 
they are visible in numerous photos from the factory.
Sincerely
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Subject: [DML] WINTER STORAGE
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current thinking on storage regarding fuel systems is
that it is probably best to at least drain the tank
to 1\4 to keep the fuel off of the pump boot. In my
opinion it is best if you drain the tank. that way
the hose to the pump doesn't sit in the fuel either.
Here in n.j. the fuel has up to 10% mtbe additive
yearlong as an oxidizer to reduce pollution.
not only is it a known carcinegen it contaminates
groundwater and breaks down rubber.Every day in this
metro area you hear about another car fire. when you
consider the effect of mtbe on the rubber components
of your fuel system and the fact it is under high
pressure; about 75 psi a minor leak will destroy the
car quickly.besides it is a good time to inspect a 
hidden area of the car and remove any dirt. 

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:51:33 -0700
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Here's a story about me, Nationwide Insurance and my DeLorean.  Bottom line,
I cannot recommend Nationwide now to anyone because of the way they handled
my situation.
I had made the decision that I wanted to trade in my car and purchase a
DeLorean, but I wanted to make sure that I could get insurance at a good
rate to cover it.  My current car at the time had been covered under
Nationwide for the past 3.5 years, and the car before that for 6.  I never
missed a payment, and was satisfied with Nationwide. Two nights before I
went to the dealer, I called Nationwide and told them my situation, and that
I was going to trade in my car in 2 days and buy a DeLorean, and asked if
they would continue to cover me.  The agent said that indeed they would, and
gave me a very favorable price quote.  She then said that I should drive my
car to the dealer, make the transaction, and then immediately call them to
transfer the policy over to the DeLorean.  I was told explicitly to call
from the dealership so that I would not spend a moment behind the wheel of
an uninsured car.  Armed with this info, I went to purchase the car (at a
great price) knowing that my insurance company was going to cover me and not
charge an arm and a leg.
I went to the dealer two days later, did all of the paperwork, traded in  my
car, handed over the cashier's check and purchased the DeLorean.  I called
Nationwide to transfer the insurance, and they told me that they would not
do it.  DeLorean was on their list of cars that absolutely would not be
covered.  I told them about the phone conversation 2 nights before and what
I had been promised and that it affected my decision to buy the DeLorean.
They didn't seem to care much, offered little apology for their mistake and
told me that I had 30 days before my policy ended.  The only reason I got a
30 day extension was because the DeLorean was my only car.  If I had owned
another automobile, I would have been left standing in the dealership with a
new car I couldn't drive.
The bank I had borrowed from needed proof of insurance coverage asap to
complete the loan paperwork for the DeLorean.   I had told them during the
application process that Nationwide would be covering me, because they said
they would.  Now, I didn't have the necessary insurance to fulfill the
requirements of the loan.  Seeing how I was covered for the next 30 days, I
called Nationwide to get this in writing so my bank would be appeased at
least until I could find another insurance company, and Nationwide refused
to sign anything saying that they were covering me for 30 days!!  So, from
all angles, it was a total screwjob.
All's well that ends well.  I went through Eastwood Insurance broker, and
they found me a company called Bristol West, and they set me up quickly with
a policy at a great rate and the necessary loan paperwork.
I have broken ties with Nationwide and don't plan on going back.  Not
because they were bad while I was with them, but because of the
unceremonious way in which I was 'dumped' at the dealership.
Bob


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From: Mike Substelny <msubstel(AT)lorainccc.edu>
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This time next week, a lot of us will be together in Saint Louis!
Next Thursday my wife and I will be driving our DeLorean to the Expo
from Cleveland.  We plan on arriving at the hotel Thursday, around 3 or
4 (middle of the afternoon), in plenty of time for the riverboat event.
If any DMLer driving from the East also plans on arriving Thursday
afternoon you are welcome to hook up with us along the way.  Please
contact me by private E-mail and we'll figure out an efficient meeting
time and place.
- Mike Substelny

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:34:24 EDT
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My local (Kansas) State Farm canceled (due to repair costs) my policy after 
the first one expired. Instead of fighting someone to give them my business I 
moved on. I now use Farmers Insurance. The rates are cheaper, coverage about 
the same, excellent service and I didn't have to beg them to insure it.
I don't understand why anyone would struggle so hard to have someone provide 
something that so many others offer.
My $.02,
Dave
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A few people have emailed me privately in the past few weeks that the
"Insurance Letter" posted on our website has helped them to obtain
reasonable insurance rates or avoid a cancellation. One or two
agents/underwriters have contacted us for more details, also.
http://www.usadmc.com/insletter.pdf
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
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At 8:59 PM -0500 9/30/99, dstall(AT)gvi.net wrote:
>Recently, I reviewed the information on insurance on Deloreans after
>receiving notice from State Farm (Kansas) that they were not going to
>my car insurance (stated value policy) due to high cost of repair. I
>noted the posting from Raddad (my applolgy is that isn't correct
>reference) experience with State Farm in Kansas of not renewing after
>the first policy expired.  Armed with printouts from "the Group" re
>State Farm being a great source of insurance for DMC's in other states
>and the fact that I certainly would communicate my displeasure with
>State Farm to the dmcnews group, my agent (Debbie Swinney, Olathe, KS)
>went to the matt with her underwriter and got the policy cancellation
>reversed.  Thanks to a good agent and your communications and the
>"force" of the internet, WE WON ONE!
>DaveS
>dstall(AT)gvi.net


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Anyone has any idea where can I get the third brake
light for a D?  I understand it's from corvettes. 
What year of corvettes?
Thanks
--- Tamir Ardon <ardont(AT)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I welcome you all to my updated web-site dedicated
> to
> the Delorean.  
> 
> New items include...
> 
> - More Custom Delorean pics
> - My meeting with John Z. Delorean this summer, 
>   including a questionnaire he answered.  Find out
> the
> 
>   true reason the Delorean was called the DMC-12.
> - Pictures of wrecked Deloreans
> - Info on my local Delorean club
> - New articles, including the steamy Playboy
>   interview with Delorean!!!
> - Delorean magazine advertisements
> - Brand new Delorean Quizzes, test your Delorean
>   knowledge.
> - Delorean service information
> - BTTF section update
> - Huge Links section with descriptions and ratings
> 
> I hope you all take a look and enjoy the site.
> 
> 
>    http://www.entermyworld.com
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tamir (#11474)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:15:04 -0500
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Does anyone have an old original equipment window lift
motor and track laying around that you don't need?  Two of the three
screws that hold the motor to the gearbox have fallen out of
the lift on the passenger side of my car and I'd rather fix the lift
I have than replace it since it works well otherwise.  Please
reply to me directly if you can help out.
Mike Griese
Storage Software Development Manager
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Rochester, MN  55901
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