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3603. ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com        Re: The dies were sunk because...
3604. Donald Kazmark            body panels
3605. Donald Kazmark            dmc body dies
3606. Jdsjlv(AT)aol.com            Body Panel Dies
3607. Leandro Lefa              Mass DeLorean
3608. delorean502(AT)excite.com    Service question
3609. jtrealty(AT)webspan.net      Re: Those darn hoses.
3610. Reggie_Knowlton(AT)vapower.com Re: rear fog lights
3611. Mike03062(AT)aol.com         Re: Signal light conversion
3612. BRUCE BENSON              Body Dies
3613. Brandon Moody             Wrecked car ?
3614. DMC Joe                   House Call Tour To Cleveland
3615. DMC Joe                   Re: Service question
3616. DMC Joe                   Re: body panels
3617. Robert Greenhaw           Wrecked DeLoreans (or: How Well the Fiberglass St
3618. VegasDMC(AT)aol.com          Service Questions...
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In a message dated 10/05/1999 3:06:54 AM GMT Daylight Time, 
cmhdevelopment(AT)hotmail.com writes:

> The dies were chucked into the sea so that no more cars could be made.  The 
>  British Government were not very happy at the time (Delorean owed 70 
million 
>  odd pounds) and wanted the venture to NEVER revive itself from certain 
>  oblivion...  
>  Christopher M. Hawes
>  DMD (Delorean Model Dealership)

Sorry Christopher another urban myth, the facts are as follows;
When the DMC factory closed sixty tons of presses used to stamp out the 
stainless steel panels were sold by Lapple (the pressing company in the 
Republic of Ireland) to Haulbowline scrap metal company in Cork.  Emerald 
fisheries bought the "scrap" metal dies and used them as anchors for the fish 
farm's  salmon rearing cages.   They now rest as anchors in 100 feet of 
seawater off Carna in Connemarra.  
Robert Lamrock
Belfast

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Here's a question.......
We all know that Corvette owners can easily get remake fiberglass panels
for their cars, and I was wondering if their was a possiblity of
creating fiberglass panels for the D. Well, I was flipping through my
copy of Stainless Stell I llusion and saw a picture of a yellow D on a
lift at Lotus during development. The caption goes on to say that the
car was an early prototype with fiberglass panels, so here goes, Would
it be difficult to create a mold from existing stainless panels , and
manufacture fiberglass panels for the D that could be painted, without
sacrificing the supply of stainless panels? Maybe other materials coulf
be used also (i.e.  saturns?)

-Donald Kazmark
No Vin yet.......

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I have an article from an old Delorean World that should put the
question of the body dies to rest.....I'll post the scan soon in the
vault.....by the way , it goes into details about the Fishery that
bought the dies for 500 pounds a piece, and the effort to buy them back
and raise them a while back ( of course this never came to be)

-Don Kazmark
no vin yet ......chase, email me back!

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If the original dies are in the ocean and corrosion due to salt water makes 
them useless, then why not contact the original company that manufactured the 
dies? I assume they would have the proper tooling, specs, etc... to make a 
new set of dies. I understand that it would probably cost a fortune, but has 
anyone ever looked into doing that?

Joshua Schwartz
001292
Trumbull, CT

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If you own a DeLorean in Massachussetts, please write directly to me.
In your e-mail, please include:
- VIN #
- Year
- Type of Gear
- Interior Color
- Any other information that you find useful.

Thanks, 

Leandro Lefa (Jimbo)
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Is it just me, or do a lot of other people have problems finding a
service place for the Delorean?  Nobody in Holland Michigan wants to
work on my Delorean, except "Ma and Pa" shops.  I wanted to get my
transmission (correct spelling??) looked at by a place called Holland
Transmission.  My dad recommended me going there since we went to
church with the owner and he was a really nice guy and cared about his
customers.  I got reamed for having a Delorean when I called him.  "I
wouldn't come 10 miles from that car" "I don't even want to see that
thing"  this is what the guy told me.  that nice guy that my dad goes
to church with.  anyway, does anybody else have any good stories about
service people and your Deloreans?  I have about 20 of them!  

Erik Geerdink
4512
EGGS D

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"doctor280" <doctor28-(AT)email.msn.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=3599
> 
> 
> the coolant 
> > hoses on it have become old and have started to rot(specifically
the ones 
> > attached to the coolant tank).  My question is, if I replace them,
will I 
> > have to pull the engine to get to all of them, or is it possible to
reach 
> > them all without that much effort?
>  
> Dont pull the engine !!!  All the coolant hoses can be replaced
without removing the engine. Some of the hoses are more difficult to
get to then others, but you can get to all of them. It is best to have
a lift or put the car on jack stands to get the ones under the car.
There are 15 or 16 hoses on the Delorean ( I loose count ). It will be
best to replace all the hoses. The hoses are offered in a kit from your
friendly Delorean part suppliers.
> 
> Sitting back and taking the credit,
> Robert Starling
> Vin#5252  
> 
>  ______________________________________________________
>

although it is true the engine does not need to be removed
tou will need to disassemble the top of it to get to
the hoses behind the water pump.Also check the "o" rings
under the water distribution pipe. Before you reassemble
the engine pressure test to 10-12 psiat least for 15 min > 

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Sorry guys but if you put hi-intensity lamps in place of the regular lamps the
circuit may not handle the added amperage and you'll surelly destroy the lens in
front of the lamp, these lamps get "VERY HOT".

"Christopher Hawes" <cmhdevelopment(AT)hotmail.com> on 10/04/99 07:44:22 PM

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Subject:  [DML] Re: rear fog lights

As far as I know cars manufactured before 1981 or 1983 (cannot remember
which) in the UK do NOT legally have to have foglamps.  Therefore 'not
applicable' marked on the MOT form will still allow the car to pass.

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Dave's right-hookers don't have fogs and get through the MOT with an
"n/a" in that column. He and I agree that using the outer brake lights as
fogs isn's aesthetically pleasing - I for one
love the four stripes light up!

The mod I would do is replace the tail light bulbs with high-intensity
(ie fog lights!) bulbs, then rig up a switch to power them either in series
(each gets 6V) for tail lights, or Parallel (each gets 12V) for use as fogs.
This has the added bonus that the bulbs'll last
forever :o)

Martin

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Technical question???

How come I can never open a download from dmcnews(AT)egroups.com. I have a 
fairly new HP pentium with most Microsoft programs, PhotoShop, Kodak & 
Polaroid software but I can never open a DMC download.  What am I doing 
wrong, or what program should I get to open them?     Thank  You.

Mike 

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I'm closing the thread on body dies. It seems everything that can be said
has been.

Bruce Benson, Moderator of the week

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After arriving home this weekend from the My Classic Car Autofest
in Evansville IN and putting my car away in the garage,  I was approached
by several friends / residents in my home town inquiring if I had wrecked
my car.  Apparently,  someone had towed a wrecked Delorean through
the town on Sunday.  Being such a small farm town ( pop. of 1600 ) Everyone
naturally assumed that the destroyed delorean was my own.  I live in Eastern
Ky in the town of Owingsville, next to Interstate 64.  I was just curious if
this car belonged to anyone on the list ?

-Brandon
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To All,
We are happy to announce that through the efforts of David Leavy we will be
in Cleveland Ohio on October 23rd, 24th, and 25th for another House Call
Tour. We will work out of a fully equipped auto service facility in
Beechwood, just outside of Cleveland. I will also conduct a tech session on
Sunday the 24th. It looks like it will be an exciting DeLorean weekend.
Chack out our web-site for daily up-dates.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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The problem is not that you have a DeLorean it's that you have a car that
most shops are not familiar with. The average repair facility must move
cars in and out of the shop as quickly as possible. Unfamiliar cars tie up
service bays, lifts, and personal, this slows the operation and reduces
profits. 

Weather you own a DeLorean, Pantera, or a Lamborgini your general auto
service center doesn't want it in his shop.
 

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> From: delorean502(AT)excite.com
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> Subject: [DML] Service question
> Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:41 AM
> 
> Is it just me, or do a lot of other people have problems finding a
> service place for the Delorean?  Nobody in Holland Michigan wants to
> work on my Delorean, except "Ma and Pa" shops.  I wanted to get my
> transmission (correct spelling??) looked at by a place called Holland
> Transmission.  My dad recommended me going there since we went to
> church with the owner and he was a really nice guy and cared about his
> customers.  I got reamed for having a Delorean when I called him.  "I
> wouldn't come 10 miles from that car" "I don't even want to see that
> thing"  this is what the guy told me.  that nice guy that my dad goes
> to church with.  anyway, does anybody else have any good stories about
> service people and your Deloreans?  I have about 20 of them!  
> 
> Erik Geerdink
> 4512
> EGGS D
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I don't have an answer but that is a very good question.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

> From: Donald Kazmark <donald.kazmark(AT)peri.com>
> 
> Here's a question.......
> We all know that Corvette owners can easily get remake fiberglass panels
> for their cars, and I was wondering if their was a possiblity of
> creating fiberglass panels for the D. Well, I was flipping through my
> copy of Stainless Stell I llusion and saw a picture of a yellow D on a
> lift at Lotus during development. The caption goes on to say that the
> car was an early prototype with fiberglass panels, so here goes, Would
> it be difficult to create a mold from existing stainless panels , and
> manufacture fiberglass panels for the D that could be painted, without
> sacrificing the supply of stainless panels? Maybe other materials coulf
> be used also (i.e.  saturns?)
> 
> -Donald Kazmark
> No Vin yet.......

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I know this is a pretty dark and dismal subject, but I was wondering
if anyone had any pictures of wrecked DeLoreans?  This will put to 
rest my suspicions of  whether or not the fiberglass/ERM (whatever, I 
can't think right now)  frame holds up diuring a collision.  I have
already 
seen the Mich. riots D, and a few D's in junkyards-type pics, but not one
of 
a DeLorean that has suffered an impact of some sort.

I was just curious to if they total easily.  This comes not only from
statements
made on the list, but also from a doctor who lives in my subdivision
(he owns a n '87 Ferrari 308) and we told him that I was getting a
DeLorean.  
He said they're great cars, and that his brother had one, and loved it,
until he 
totaled it a couple of months ago.  I was shocked!  The one word you
NEVER 
want to hear while speaking of a DeLorean: Totaled.  Well, at least the
man 
wasn't seriouisly injured.

Best Wishes,
Robert

PS If the owner of that car is on the list, I am writing from Decatur,
AL, and would
like to see pictures of your vehicle if possible.
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My first DeLorean (God rest it's tender chassis) was a nightmare.  It spent more time in the shop then it did on the road.  However, ANY mechanic worth his/her salt who does work on foreign cars should be able to tackle a problem with little or no trouble.  And if you get your parts from Ed, Steve or Rob, they will usually help your mechanic out over the phone.

Colby Knight
vin: 15596 (1983)

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