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3619. Danrc30                   Bruce....why didn't you post this? It's about fib
3620. Watkins Family            Horns
3621. Watkins Family            Steering wheel bolt size
3622. Montgomery, Ken           Re: Production Chronology/ Owners Directory
3623. ToniLFHS98(AT)aol.com        Re: Radio Question
3624. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: Those darn hoses.
3625. Michael Babb              Re: Service question
3626. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Mysterious Findings in warehouse
3627. Reggie_Knowlton(AT)vapower.com Re: body panels
3628. delorean502(AT)excite.com    frame
3629. Martin Gutkowski          Re: rear fog lights
3630. Kelvin                    Re: Service question
3631. magriese(AT)us.ibm.com       Re: body panels
3632. mdeluca(AT)comtechpst.com    Re: body panels
3633. robert parker             Re: Electrical system, ventilation, and radio que
3634. eGroups.com Poll Results  Voting Results: How many people own more than 1 d
3635. Josh S.                   Re: Wrecked DeLoreans (or: How Well the Fiberglas
3636. doctor280                 Re: Service Questions...
3637. delorean502(AT)excite.com    Buzzing noise
3638. NBeatson(AT)aol.com          Re: rear fog lights
3639. Marc A Levy               Re: The dies were sunk because...
3640. Mike Substelny            Re: Fiberglass panels (was body panels)
3641. william menelli           Delorean for sale
3642. BRUCE BENSON              Re: body panels
3643. BRUCE BENSON              Bricklin Parts
3644. mnoeltne(AT)ezl.com          Reminder: Autocross in St. Louis!
3645. DMC Joe                   Re: Steering wheel bolt size
3646. DMC Joe                   Re: Service question
3647. DMC Joe                   Re: Horns
3648. David Sontos              DeLoreans and car shows
3649. Jim                       Rear Fascia bumper flaking
3650. Steve Pattison            Follow up to frustrating Starting Problem
3651. doctor280                 Re: Radio Question
3652. doctor280                 Re: Follow up to frustrating Starting Problem
3653. doctor280                 Re: frame
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Yes, mold's could be made rather easily for the D. It wouldn't be cheap, bu=
t
not too bad I presume.  But what would you do about the doors? They would b=
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extremely difficult to replicate out of fiberflass. And the doors are a
structural member of the chassis. Would fiberglass doors be safe in an
accident or even safe to drive with? Probably not. They would cause a lot o=
f
chassis flex and probably end up cracking.  So you are stuck with painting
your stainless doors to match the fiberglass body. How many would be willin=
g
to do that? Probably not enough to offset the cost of making the fiberglass
body panels. So, what's the answer? Well, I don't know. I do know that you
need a serious chunk of material to make a mold to stamp SS panels. Maybe
they aren't in as bad condition as everyone thinks they are. If they are
damaged, maybe they can be repaired if they were resurrected. Something  to
think about.
Anyone have the phone number to that fishing company?
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cracking.&nbsp; So you are stuck with painting<BR>your stainless doors to m=
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No argument here, Joe.  Sorry if my post seemed to belittle our OEM
horns.  My horns were 18 years old, very tired and have surely seen too
much of the "elements".  I'm sure the OEM's sound great new.   I was
just happy to find an adequate replacement set at a good price at a
Nationally known car parts store.
As for the Horn relay, Do our cars have a horn relay? and do you think
the replacement that came with the new horns is worth keeping?
Tom
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In defense of the OEM horns and just for the record you should know that
they sound great when they are new. After 18 years of being exposed to
the
elements they gradually loose sound quality and volume.
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What is the correct size socket for the nut holding the steering wheel
in place underneath the removeable padding on the center of the wheel??
I don't seem to have the right size or the correct length socket.
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> Well fellow Delorean Owners is almost October, the month that 
> the Production Chronology is suppose to be updated. I posted 
> my vehicle almost a year ago and have been patiently waiting 
> for the update. It will be interesting to see how
> many Deloreans are accounted for.
> Ken what's the word????????
Hi everyone. Well, the list is still a go for October. I will have my
first printed list (about 100 copies) available in St. Louis at the
product fair this coming Saturday. To get a copy you have to be an owner
and already be on the list or fill out a form to get added to the list.
In St. Louis, the DML people will discuss the future of the DML and as
part of that, how to disseminate copies of the Owners Directory. That's
as far as we've managed to get. Please be patient. After all, we're
doing this for free (Actually, free to you. Some of us are picking up
the tab to pay for the DML operations).
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Ken Montgomery	    Sacramento, CA       VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
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In a message dated 10/5/99 6:11:51 AM Central Daylight Time, 
dswingle(AT)enteract.com writes:
> New Craig radios are still available from the DMC suppliers at about $250.
>  Crutchfield sells a Kenwood that fits without cutting the dash for $99. 
Many
>  aftermarket radios will fit if you cut the dash.
Who is Crutchfield?  Can someone supply the contact info.?
Bill
VIN# 2157
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In a message dated 10/5/99 6:23:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jtrealty(AT)webspan.net writes:
<< although it is true the engine does not need to be removed
 tou will need to disassemble the top of it to get to
 the hoses behind the water pump.Also check the "o" rings
 under the water distribution pipe. Before you reassemble
 the engine pressure test to 10-12 psiat least for 15 min  >>
Also when you replace the hoses under the Intake manifold be sure to put on 
two hose clamps on each end as insurance that the hoses will not leak.(they 
are real hard to get at if they should come loose or leak)
Claude
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Erik,
I have run into the same problems, but have also been lucky to find people =
fairly close that were adept at working on the DeLorean.  I would suggest c=
alling DMC-Houston and see if they have any suggestions for shops.  When I =
moved back to Colorado, Warren informed me of a place that had ordered part=
s from them in the past, and BINGO, I had found someone not just willing to=
 work on the car, but actually knew what they were doing.  (currently havin=
g the engine rebuilt by them).
good luck in your quest
Michael Babb
VIN 3472
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Is it just me, or do a lot of other people have problems finding a
service place for the Delorean?  Nobody in Holland Michigan wants to
work on my Delorean, except "Ma and Pa" shops.  I wanted to get my
transmission (correct spelling??) looked at by a place called Holland
Transmission.  My dad recommended me going there since we went to
church with the owner and he was a really nice guy and cared about his
customers.  I got reamed for having a Delorean when I called him.  "I
wouldn't come 10 miles from that car" "I don't even want to see that
thing"  this is what the guy told me.  that nice guy that my dad goes
to church with.  anyway, does anybody else have any good stories about
service people and your Deloreans?  I have about 20 of them!  =
Erik Geerdink
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EGGS D
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<DIV>good luck in your quest</DIV>
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      <TD><PRE>Is it just me, or do a lot of other people have problems fin=
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service place for the Delorean?  Nobody in Holland Michigan wants to
work on my Delorean, except "Ma and Pa" shops.  I wanted to get my
transmission (correct spelling??) looked at by a place called Holland
Transmission.  My dad recommended me going there since we went to
church with the owner and he was a really nice guy and cared about his
customers.  I got reamed for having a Delorean when I called him.  "I
wouldn't come 10 miles from that car" "I don't even want to see that
thing"  this is what the guy told me.  that nice guy that my dad goes
to church with.  anyway, does anybody else have any good stories about
service people and your Deloreans?  I have about 20 of them!  =
Erik Geerdink
4512
EGGS D
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As I have read in the past DML about finding undiscovered (Delorean) 
treasures at the old Kapac warehouse,does anybody know if any past Bricklin 
parts (or Cars)in secret or blocked off rooms were discovered in there 
also,being that all the Bricklin cars and parts wound up in the same 
warehouse,as they also bought out the factory
equipment and all the Bricklin parts and whatever cars were at the factory  
when that was shut down also back in late 1975.  
Claude
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You're comparing a limited edition automobile to one that  was birthed during
the early days of rock & roll, can't be done! Here's why: DeLoreans' are rare
and if you start putting glass panels on them it can and will destroy the image,
sorry, just be a careful driver or a really good metalworker in stainless


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Here's a question.......
We all know that Corvette owners can easily get remake fiberglass panels
for their cars, and I was wondering if their was a possiblity of
creating fiberglass panels for the D. Well, I was flipping through my
copy of Stainless Stell I llusion and saw a picture of a yellow D on a
lift at Lotus during development. The caption goes on to say that the
car was an early prototype with fiberglass panels, so here goes, Would
it be difficult to create a mold from existing stainless panels , and
manufacture fiberglass panels for the D that could be painted, without
sacrificing the supply of stainless panels? Maybe other materials coulf
be used also (i.e.  saturns?)
-Donald Kazmark
No Vin yet.......
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what is the best way to recoat some of the frame?  the area that holds
the engine has some rust and some chipping.  since I don't have money
for a framedown restoration right now OR the stainless steel frame, I
need to know what kind of epoxy to use and what I have to do before I
apply it.  is there a lot of sanding involved and rewelding?  thanks
for the help
Erik Geerdink
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EGGS D

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FYI all UK cars must have REAR fog lights which are simply bright red lights. Most UK D's use
two of the brake lights as the fogs
Martin
Reggie_Knowlton(AT)vapower.com wrote:
> Sorry guys but if you put hi-intensity lamps in place of the regular lamps the
> circuit may not handle the added amperage and you'll surelly destroy the lens in
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These service posts got me curious about what the local mechanics would 
say about servicing a D. So, I called up the certified Volvo mechanic in 
my town thinking that he would have experience working on this type of 
engine. As soon as I mentioned the "D" word I was immediately met with a 
wall of nasty and negative comments that lasted a full two minutes 
without a word from me edgewise. He was commenting strictly on the 
engine, not the car in general. Apparently, he was quite familiar with 
the engine in question and hated working on them. He invited me down to 
the auto shop he owned to see this engine and the mess it was making out 
of a Volvo he had on the lot. I quietly declined. Then he ended with: 
"Delorean's a nice lookin' car though..."
One thing for sure, this guy was adamant.
Lets hear a cheery rebuttal that would this guy in his place...  ??
Kelvin

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It wouldn't be hard at all to pull molds from the DeLorean body panels.
The problem is making panels that would fit.  The hood wouldn't be much
of a problem because you can replace the whole thing.  The rest of the
stainless skin on a DeLorean is very thin - fibreglass panels the same
thickness would be too fragile.  The first bump would fracture them.  If
you made them thick enough they wouldn't fit properly.
Plus - you still have to have stainless doors.
Mike Griese
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I would think that the first problem with fiberglass body panels would
be that they would have to be much thicker then SS and would not fit,
the second problem is that you would now have to paint the car because
you could never match the original look of stainless. I'm also under
the impression that there is sufficient body panels in existence at
Delorean Motor Company and from parts cars at PJ Grady and the like
that would be a more cost effective solution then the fabrication of
special non conforming body panel that some would probably argue would
ruin the car. I'm also under the impression that the actual demand for
such panels is not all that great in comparison to the existing supply
of OEM parts both new and used.
 
Mike D.
Vin 3113
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> I don't have an answer but that is a very good question.
> 
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
> Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
> 
> > From: Donald Kazmark <donald.kazmark(AT)peri.com>
> > 
> > Here's a question.......
> > We all know that Corvette owners can easily get remake fiberglass
panels
> > for their cars, and I was wondering if their was a possiblity of
> > creating fiberglass panels for the D. Well, I was flipping through
my
> > copy of Stainless Stell I llusion and saw a picture of a yellow D
on a
> > lift at Lotus during development. The caption goes on to say that
the
> > car was an early prototype with fiberglass panels, so here goes,
Would
> > it be difficult to create a mold from existing stainless panels ,
and
> > manufacture fiberglass panels for the D that could be painted,
without
> > sacrificing the supply of stainless panels? Maybe other materials
coulf
> > be used also (i.e.  saturns?)
> > 
> > -Donald Kazmark
> > No Vin yet.......
> 

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In Re: LCD problem in Craig radios. Indeed there is a fix for this! My 
little brother (Elect. Eng. & gadgeteer) replaced the power ribbon with a 
heavier duty one. The tape door closes a bit slower, but ALL the LCD's work. 
Minimal effort, & no expense for me.    Drive Stainless      Robert   VIN  
6924    (See you in St. Louis)
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>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:52:21 -0400
>
>The loss of ventilation through the upper vents is due to a defective AC
>Mode Control Switch (Parts Manual 7 / 3 / 0 fig# 7). The intermittent
>interior fan operation is caused by a defective circuit breaker  (Parts
>Manual 3 / 7 / 0 fig# 22). Both items are available from DMC Houston & PJ
>Grady.
>
>The radio LCD problem is common to all cars with the Craig radio, there is
>no fix for this . OEM replacement radios are available from both suppliers
>named above.
>
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
>Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
>
>----------
> > From: Jesse D. Sightler <jsight(AT)mindspring.com>
> >
>  Since bringing it into SC, however, the fan still seems to run
> > strongly, and feeling the intake on the front of the car (in front of
> > the windshield) it seems to pull strongly.  However, the vents
> > themselves produce very little airflow.
> >
> > Also, earlier today while driving the car at night with the lighting on,
> > the fan temporarily switched off.  At first, I thought that it was a
> > fuse failure, but a few minutes later I turned the fan back on and
> > everything was fine again.  It's like it just temporarily overloaded.
> > But I also noticed that the one vent which was working earlier in the
> > day failed after this "trip".  Any ideas as to the cause of these two
> > problems?
> >
> > Finally, I ran into a problem because the radio seems to work, but the
> > little LCD display doesn't.  Has anyone else experienced this before,
> > and if so what was the problem (loose/broken connection somewhere,
> > etc).  It is the original Delorean Craig radio.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ---------------
> > Jesse D. Sightler
>
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Here are the results of the vote:
1. 1 and a Project			1
2. 2 Deloreans			2
3. Deloreans and a Bricklin			2
4. Still dreaming about  owning 1			17


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Robert asked: 
>I know this is a pretty dark and dismal subject, but I was wondering
>if anyone had any pictures of wrecked DeLoreans?  This will put to 
>rest my suspicions of  whether or not the fiberglass/ERM (whatever, I 
>can't think right now)  frame holds up diuring a collision.  I have
>already seen the Mich. riots D, and a few D's in junkyards-type pics, 
but not one
>of a DeLorean that has suffered an impact of some sort.
The DeLorean frame is actually an epoxy covered steel, which has been 
known to have problems with rust.   There was one(?) composite frame 
that was used in one of the prototypes, but that didn't make it into 
production.   Even though at least one of the original brochures had 
the exotic frame listed as a component. 
If frame concerns are a major issue, due to rust on an otherwise 
marvelous DeLorean, check out Bryan Pearce's Permaframe WWW page at:
http://www.pearce-design.com/html/permaframe.html
A complete frame replacment made out of stainless steel.
As a minor side note, at least one of the Safety Program release notes 
if I remember correctly dealt specifically with strengthening front end 
impact resistance (someone correct me if I am not remembering correctly 
... ), but I don't have the Technical notes with me right now to look 
it up ... 
I wish you the best with whatever car you finally decide on :-)
Josh Seely
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y car a Volvo with the engine in backwards. He charges $35.00 and hour and =
gets the time for the repairs from the Volvo book.
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Vin#5252  =
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I posted this a while back, but no posts on the subject.  When ever I
go into 5th gear I hear a buzzing noise behind me and to the left.  I
could be going the exact same speed in 4th gear and not hear it, but as
soon as I go into 5th, I hear it.  It gets a higher pitch the faster I
go.  Does anybody have any suggestions on the subject?  The tranny was
rebuilt a couple years back (two I think).  Thanks for the help.
Erik Geerdink
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EGGS D
p.s
On October 5, the coolest Chihuahua to ever live,who loved to ride in
my Deloreans, past away.  I bought her for $2 when I was 4yrs.  She
loved sitting in the Delorean and watching me work on it.  She was 14.

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Thanks for everyone's input regards rear fog lights.
I checked with the vehicle inspectorate as to when rear fogs become a legal 
requirement and they've told me that any vehicle registered or first used 
after June 1980 has to have at least one fog light.
My guess is that some MOT stations take a very liberal attitude as to this 
regulation, some stations don't. I suppose I'll have to have my car MOT'd at 
a place thats flexible.
Nigel 
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Anyone run dive trps out there?  I am a diver and would find that to be
a interesting dive.
Maybe we can lobby the Discovery channel to do a dive trip show, so we
can see them now..  I am sick of seeing the shows on the Titanic!
ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com wrote:
> fisheries bought the "scrap" metal dies and used them as anchors for the fish
> farm's  salmon rearing cages.   They now rest as anchors in 100 feet of
> seawater off Carna in Connemarra.
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> and I was wondering if their was a possiblity of
> creating fiberglass panels for the D.  [SNIP]
> Would it be difficult to create a mold from existing
> stainless panels , and manufacture fiberglass panels
> for the D that could be painted, without sacrificing
> the supply of stainless panels?
I believe my limited experience in the plastics industry is just enough to answer this
question.  In short, it should be possible to make a mold to manufacture fiberglass body
panels for *much* less money than a die to stamp stainless steel panels.
This mold would probably be created from scratch, not an impression from an existing stainless
panel.  But for a few thousand dollars a good pattern maker should be able to make an adequate
mold for a limited run of fiberglass lay-up of one body panel.
Hypothetically, if you put fiberglass left front fenders on DeLoreans it will have an unknown
detrimental effect on safety.  It will cause the left front to be lighter weight than the
right front and reduce crash energy absorption at the same time.
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Dear Group,To the right
buyer,DMC12,S/N7148,MFD:Nov.81.
I have owned this D for 15yrs(very important),I'm the
second owner.5 speed,gray interior,28.0k
miles.Everything works!As a member of the Delorean
Midwest Connection,I've had the privlege of caring for
this D thru myself,fellow club members and Don Steger
on his annual tech sessions.A solid runner with an
outstanding record for reliability.Can be made stock
with very little effort.Stored winters.Extras
include:car cover,manuals,luggage rack etc.General
condition/update info.to serious inquiries.
Best offer over $17,000.
  Bill Menelli
  (630)543-4558 Chicago west suburbs.
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There doesn't seem to much more to be said about fiberglass body panels so
unless something Earth shaking shows up I'm ending the thread.
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There seems to be some confusion over the roles of Consolidated
International and Kapac regarding the liquidation of the DeLorean factory
Consolidated liquidated both DeLorean and Bricklin. Kapac's owner, Marvin
Kantz, was a friend of someone at Consolidated and was approached about
buying the remaining stock of parts. While Consolidated sold the remaining
DeLoreans, Kapac ended up with the parts. Marvin said he spent $40,000
having divers look over the sunken body dies. The estimated cost of buying
the salvage rights to them and the actual salvage process exceeded the
expected return on making and selling those panels. Interestingly, Marvin
told James Espey and I that he had the divers check the dies but I also
heard John DeLorean say in a T.V. interview that it was he who did that. I
guess we can take our choice as to who did what.
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Just a reminder that you are all invited to the SCCA autocross in St.
Louis this Sunday, October 10th. They will have a special class for
DeLoreans at this event only.
I've had a number of responses to this and I'm estimating that we may
have as many as a dozen DeLoreans out there running around the course
that day. If you're going to be in St. Louis with your D for the DOA
Expo then come on out and have some fun! This is the safest thing you
can do in an automobile yet it's also a lot of fun.
Visit:
http://www.buffalochips.org/stlautox/
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Mark Noeltner
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The steering wheel nut is 22mm.
If you want to remove the steering wheel you will need a steering wheel
puller.
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> From: Watkins Family <watbmv(AT)megalink.net>
> Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 5:39 PM
What is the correct size socket for the nut holding the steering wheel
> in place underneath the removeable padding on the center of the wheel??
> I don't seem to have the right size or the correct length socket.
> 
> Tom
> 
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Kelvin,
If he is really knowledge about the PRV he would know that this engine had
a bad reputation due to ill-fated "soft cams" in the pre 1981 models.
Fortunately an up-dated hardened cam was fitted to all PRV's just prior to
the DeLorean application. Additionally the PRV has some design and
configuration elements that are somewhat different from other engines, it
is these unique elements that make the PRV a work horses that should
provide your DeLorean with 200K mile plus non-stop reliable performance.
As far as his comments, if he really knew these engines he would love them
like we do. 
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> From: Kelvin <mason_k(AT)wvwc.edu>
> 
> These service posts got me curious about what the local mechanics would 
> say about servicing a D. So, I called up the certified Volvo mechanic in 
> my town thinking that he would have experience working on this type of 
> engine. As soon as I mentioned the "D" word I was immediately met with a 
> wall of nasty and negative comments that lasted a full two minutes 
> without a word from me edgewise. He was commenting strictly on the 
> engine, not the car in general. Apparently, he was quite familiar with 
> the engine in question and hated working on them. He invited me down to 
> the auto shop he owned to see this engine and the mess it was making out 
> of a Volvo he had on the lot. I quietly declined. Then he ended with: 
> "Delorean's a nice lookin' car though..."
> 
> One thing for sure, this guy was adamant.
> 
> 
> Lets hear a cheery rebuttal that would this guy in his place...  ??
> 
> 
> Kelvin

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Tom,
The DeLoren horn circuit does not need a relay. The relay that you got with
your horns is a generic relay used for accessories such as driving and fog
lights so you may want to hold on to it for use.
 
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> From: Watkins Family <watbmv(AT)megalink.net>
> 
> No argument here, Joe.  Sorry if my post seemed to belittle our OEM
> horns.  My horns were 18 years old, very tired and have surely seen too
> much of the "elements".  I'm sure the OEM's sound great new.   I was
> just happy to find an adequate replacement set at a good price at a
> Nationally known car parts store.
> 
> As for the Horn relay, Do our cars have a horn relay? and do you think
> the replacement that came with the new horns is worth keeping?
> 
> Tom
> 
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I've been to three car shows in the past four weeks and there was only
one show that had more than one DeLorean to present. Unfortunately this
usually puts you into an "Other" or "Open" group of cars and one Rolls
Royce in the group usually takes the prize. I know of at least five
other DeLoreans in my area but not one of them was at any of the three
shows. Whats the point of having a beautiful car like a DeLorean and not
show it off. Besides, I'd like some compitition. My car is not without
its flaws. The last show we went to was over 300 miles away. The car
never ran better. And its true the more you drive them the better they
get. Thanks for putting up with my venting.
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My rear fascia looks great but the black part of the bumper's paint  is
flaking. Is there any thing I can use to remove the rest of faking black
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A couple of months ago I posted the following problem and got a couple of r=
esponses and I wanted to let you know the final outcome in case anyone else=
 came across a similar problem:
(snip)
The story is the car rarely starts what I'll call normally - like every
other car I've owned.  I used to own another Delorean and don't remember
ever having a problem.  I typically have to turn the key and then let go
and hope the engine starts.  I don't "hear" it start as the starter is
turning like any other car.  Sometimes it just won't start no matter what I
do short of pushing the car.  I can wait sometime a short time, sometime
longer, then it starts like it usually does (when I let go of the key).
Never any pressure on the gas pedal.
I replaced the fuel accumulator & the fuel pump a couple of months ago
(about 1000 miles ago).  The car has always started since then until
recently.  The fuel gauge was at about 1/4 tank both times ?? (not sure if
that's an issue)
Another puzzling part is that although the starter turns very strong the
car won't start but when I do push the car there is no hesitation in it
starting.  It starts without any effort at all.
(end)
The problem turned out to be in the ignition switch on the steering column,=
 diagnosed an repaired (replaced) by Don Steger !!  Don says he's never see=
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<DIV>A couple of months ago I posted the following problem and got a couple=
 of =
responses and I wanted to let you know the final outcome in case anyone els=
e =
came across a similar problem:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>(snip)</DIV>
<DIV>The story is the car rarely starts what I'll call normally - like =
every<BR>other car I've owned.&nbsp; I used to own another Delorean and don=
't =
remember<BR>ever having a problem.&nbsp; I typically have to turn the key a=
nd =
then let go<BR>and hope the engine starts.&nbsp; I don't "hear" it start as=
 the =
starter is<BR>turning like any other car.&nbsp; Sometimes it just won't sta=
rt no =
matter what I<BR>do short of pushing the car.&nbsp; I can wait sometime a s=
hort =
time, sometime<BR>longer, then it starts like it usually does (when I let g=
o of =
the key).<BR>Never any pressure on the gas pedal.<BR><BR>I replaced the fue=
l =
accumulator &amp; the fuel pump a couple of months ago<BR>(about 1000 miles=
 =
ago).&nbsp; The car has always started since then until<BR>recently.&nbsp; =
The =
fuel gauge was at about 1/4 tank both times ?? (not sure if<BR>that's an =
issue)<BR><BR>Another puzzling part is that although the starter turns very=
 =
strong the<BR>car won't start but when I do push the car there is no hesita=
tion =
in it<BR>starting.&nbsp; It starts without any effort at all.</DIV>
<DIV>(end)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The problem turned out to be in the ignition switch on the steering co=
lumn, =
diagnosed an repaired (replaced) by Don Steger !!&nbsp; Don says he's never=
 seen =
it happen before.<BR><BR></DIV>
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Crutchfield is a business that has been selling complete car stereo and hom=
e audio equipment for years. I have used their services in the past with gr=
eat results.
In their latest catalog (which came today) they only list one radio that wi=
ll fit without the mods. Kenwood KRC-2007 price $99.00
You can contact them at 1-800-955-3000 or from their website: www.crutchfie=
ld.com.
Sitting back and taken the credit,
Robert Starling
Vin#5252
> Many
> >  aftermarket radios will fit if you cut the dash.
> =
> Who is Crutchfield?  Can someone supply the contact info.?
> =
> Bill
> VIN# 2157
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Crutchfield is a business that has been=
 selling =
complete car stereo and home audio&nbsp;equipment for years. I have used th=
eir =
services in the past with great results.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>In their latest catalog (which came tod=
ay) they =
only list one radio that will fit without the mods. Kenwood KRC-2007 price =
$99.00</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>You can contact them at 1-800-955-3000 =
or from =
their website: <A =
href=3D"http://www.crutchfield.com">www.crutchfield.com</A>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sitting back and taken the credit,</FON=
T></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Robert Starling</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Vin#5252</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR>&gt; Many<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; aftermarket radios wil=
l fit =
if you cut the dash.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Who is Crutchfield?&nbsp; Can someone=
 =
supply the contact info.?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Bill<BR>&gt; VIN# 2157<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; =
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The car has always started since then until
recently.  The fuel gauge was at about 1/4 tank both times ?? (not sure if
that's an issue)
This could be an issue........The pick-up hose in a Delorean is about $90.0=
0+ Some will either replace this hose with one that does not have the corre=
ct bends or cut the bad section out of the hose, to keep from paying this p=
rice. Either way the pick-up hose may not reach the bottom of the tank ther=
e for not picking up the gas when the tank is low.
Not saying that this has been done to your car, but something that you migh=
t want to look into.
Sitting back and taking the credit,
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Vin#5252 =

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The car has always started since then until<BR>recently=
.&nbsp; =
The fuel gauge was at about 1/4 tank both times ?? (not sure if<BR>that's a=
n =
issue)<BR><BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff>This could be an issue........The pick-=
up hose =
in a Delorean is about $90.00+ Some will either replace this hose with one =
that =
does not have the correct bends or cut the bad section out of the hose, to =
keep =
from paying this price. Either way the pick-up hose may not reach the botto=
m of =
the tank there for not picking up the gas when&nbsp;the tank is =
low.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Not saying that this has been done to y=
our car, =
but something that you might want to look into.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sitting back and taking the credit,</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Robert Starling</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Vin#5252</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Epoxy is sold by our friendly Delorean part suppliers.
Sitting back and taking the credit,
Robert Starling
Vin#5252
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Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:30 PM
Subject: [DML] frame
> =
> what is the best way to recoat some of the frame?  the area that holds
> the engine has some rust and some chipping.  since I don't have money
> for a framedown restoration right now OR the stainless steel frame, I
> need to know what kind of epoxy to use and what I have to do before I
> apply it.  is there a lot of sanding involved and rewelding?  thanks
> for the help
> =
> Erik Geerdink
> 4512
> EGGS D
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Epoxy is sold by our friendly Delorean =
part =
suppliers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sitting back and taking the credit,</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Robert Starling</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Vin#5252</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>From: &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:delorean502(AT)excite.com">delorean502(AT)excite.com</A>&gt;</FONT=
></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>To: &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:dmcnews(AT)eGroups.com">dmcnews(AT)eGroups.com</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:30 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Subject: [DML] frame</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; what is the best way to recoat =
some of =
the frame?&nbsp; the area that holds<BR>&gt; the engine has some rust and s=
ome =
chipping.&nbsp; since I don't have money<BR>&gt; for a framedown restoratio=
n =
right now OR the stainless steel frame, I<BR>&gt; need to know what kind of=
 =
epoxy to use and what I have to do before I<BR>&gt; apply it.&nbsp; is ther=
e a =
lot of sanding involved and rewelding?&nbsp; thanks<BR>&gt; for the help<BR=
>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Erik Geerdink<BR>&gt; 4512<BR>&gt; EGGS D<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt=
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