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3705. Mike Atkinson             Re: For Sale
3706. DMC Joe                   Re: air filter
3707. Gus Schlachter            Re: Ignition Switch
3708. ROBLAMROCK@aol.com        Re: Alan Parsons album cover with the D
3709. rickaye@webtv.net         water leak to the interior
3710. rickaye@webtv.net         trophy winner
3711. Michael Babb              Re: water leak to the interior
3712. doctor280                 Re: water leak to the interior
3713. ryan arsenault            Too Much For A Teen To Handle?
3714. KKoncelik@aol.com         DeLorean Car Show "YEAR 2000"
3715. Richard Strecker          Re: DeLorean Car Show "YEAR 2000"
3716. Dave Swingle              Re: DeLorean Car Show "YEAR 2000" LINK
3717. Tamir Ardon               Re: Too Much For A Teen To Handle?
3718. delorean502@excite.com    Re: Too Much For A Teen To Handle?
3719. Richard Petrie            Re: Too Much For A Teen To Handle?
3720. Jesse D. Sightler         Re: Too Much For A Teen To Handle?
3721. David Silek               water leak to the interior
3722. wb4mnf@atl.org            Other than dooe and dash, where can VIN be found?
3723. delorean502@excite.com    Ignition Switch
3724. Dave Swingle              Teen ownership
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FYI, If anyone is (seriously) interested in this car, I live nearby and am
willing to take a look at it for them.
Mike Atkinson
P.S.
I don't know the owner and have never seen the car.
mikeatk@concentric.net
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> Delorean, 5 speed, grey interior.  This car has only 11K miles and is
> as near new as you will find a Delorean.  Everything on the car is
> original.  Even the original Goodyear tires and orignial window
> sticker. Will sell $19,900.
> Please respond: Perline@mail.mc.maricopa.edu or (480)966-6006.
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AC Delco A-815-C
NAPA 6112
WIX 46112
Not all lists will specify the "F" after B-28. Different manufactures will
have slightly different profile gaskets around the filter but they should
all work.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: thai vu <thaiqvu@yahoo.com>
> 
> What's the cross-reference number for the D's air
> filter?  I tried the 81 Volvo 260 (but only list B28
> engine type with no "F", and the filter is slightly
> thinner (in thickness dimension)... any idea?  And the
> oil filter number too?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --- Lance R Haslewood <lanceh@zeta.org.au> wrote:
> >  > 3535. thai vu Re: Third brake light

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When I first got my D it was VERY hard to insert the key, thanks to the
ball-bearing.  I ended up using WD-40 or some other lubricant what helped
substantially.  I know you're not supposed to use liquids in locks, but I
think it's only because it leaves residue on the key.  I don't think
graphite would have done the trick.  Afterwards I repeatedly
inserted/removed the key, wiping it clean each time until it didn't come out
dirty any more.
Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695

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There is a ball bearing that the tip of the key has to move aside just as
you start to insert the key into the ignition switch.  In my car the
steering wheel has to be in the locked position before you can insert the
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The lead singer with the Alan Parsons Project is a very close friend of mine.
Peter Beckett and I shared a house together years ago.  I'll ask him about 
the DeLorean on the cover....
Robert
Belfast
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although i try not to drive d D in the rain, i was at a car show where
it rained like cats and dogs. someone noticed that ere was water
leaking onto the seats of my d.  upon investigating the problem, i
observed that the headliner was soaking wet.  does anyone have any
sugestions on what the problem is and how to fix it.  i have a great
original car with little to no problems, and i want to keep it that way.
thanks
officer rick
p.s.  to who ever it was that had a problem with some of the spelling
in on of my past postings, i forgive you.  most of the time i do them
late at noght, after work, when my twin boys go to sleep.  no a lot of
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i have had my delorean for three weeks now and it's everything that i
wished it would be.  yesterday i entered my d in a local car show. 
they didn't have a sports car class, so i had to enter it in a class
for original condition cars, 1971 and up.  well it was trophy time. 
when they got to my cadagory, ley called my name first.  now i can say
that my car is a trophy winner !  thank the 
lord.
officer rick

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Rick,
Might not be the problem, but if your doors are not closed completely, they=
 will leak.  I came out to my car one night to find a virtual waterfall run=
ning down my back window.  It seams hat with the doors not all the way clos=
ed, the water was coming in and running over the top of the back headliner,=
 and down the back window......right above all the electrical components...=
.not the best place for this to happen.
Michael Babb
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although i try not to drive d D in the rain, i was at a car show where
it rained like cats and dogs. someone noticed that ere was water
leaking onto the seats of my d.  upon investigating the problem, i
observed that the headliner was soaking wet.  does anyone have any
sugestions on what the problem is and how to fix it.  i have a great
original car with little to no problems, and i want to keep it that way.
thanks
officer rick
p.s.  to who ever it was that had a problem with some of the spelling
in on of my past postings, i forgive you.  most of the time i do them
late at noght, after work, when my twin boys go to sleep.  no a lot of
time in my line of work. =

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      <TD><PRE>although i try not to drive d D in the rain, i was at a car =
show where
it rained like cats and dogs. someone noticed that ere was water
leaking onto the seats of my d.  upon investigating the problem, i
observed that the headliner was soaking wet.  does anyone have any
sugestions on what the problem is and how to fix it.  i have a great
original car with little to no problems, and i want to keep it that way.
thanks
officer rick
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The most common reason for a headliner getting wet and leaking into the car=
 is a improperly installed headliner. Check and make sure that the headline=
r is not surpassing the inner door seal and laying in the rain channel. Thi=
s condition will cause the headliner to act as a wick, which will bring the=
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Sitting back and taken the credit,
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I have a very simple question for all DeLorean experts out there. Is a
DeLorean too much for a teen to handle? Is it so ridiculous for a teen
with a steady job and a knowledge and love for the car to own one? What
do you guys have to say about the idea of teen ownership? Thanks.
Ryan Arsenault
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Well 2000 is coming up faster than anyone could imagine
and its time to begin to think summer again. ( I hate winter)
The Cleveland DeLorean Car Show  "YEAR 2000"  Web Page is up althought still 
under construction
The Thursday thru Saturday page is complete but I still need to add the 
Sunday page with the Goodtime III and a page on the Holiday INN Lakeside 
although there is a link to it.
I really enjoyed putting on the Cincinnati DeLorean Car Show and look forward 
to Cleveland.
The web page will be updated and completed over the next few weeks so I guess 
you'll have to come back a few times to it.
I will have the Registration Page up shortly but I would encourage everyone 
to reserve the room at the Holiday Inn Lakeside (Cleveland Ohio ) very early 
since we were limited due to other conventions even though I reserved them 2 
years in advance.  Mention the car show to get the $99 per night rate.
Alternate hotels are available e-mail me if interested but they are about 
15-20 minutes away
You can always cancel if something comes up but last minute rooms are hard to 
find
Enjoy the page and pass along the information
With a little luck maybe we can have the largest DeLorean Car Show of the 
21st Century
Goal this year is 100 cars
We own a great car and this is going to be the DeLorean party of the Century
<A HREF="http://w3.one.net/~dmc1219/DMC2000">http://w3.one.net/~dmc1219/DMC200
0</A>
Ken
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Here's the link that Ken and Richard are trying to post. This one works.
Dave
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I don't think it is out of the question.  I have owned my Delorean since the age of 17.  I am
almost 20 now, and the Delorean has been a great part of my life for the last two and a half
years.  The main thing is having a lot of patience and hopefully having nice enough parents to
help you out if something goes wrong.  I think there are a few others on the list who are
teens that can agree with me on this issue.
Good Luck,
Tamir
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> I have a very simple question for all DeLorean experts out there. Is a
> DeLorean too much for a teen to handle? Is it so ridiculous for a teen
> with a steady job and a knowledge and love for the car to own one? What
> do you guys have to say about the idea of teen ownership? Thanks.
>
> Ryan Arsenault
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I read this and felt I had to respond.  I bought my Delorean a couple
months back and I'm 19 now.  If you're going to get a delorean, hold
off for one that won't break down very much and one that you don't have
to put a lot into at first to get on the road.  Parts are not the
cheapest and good help to work on your Delorean isn't the easiest to
find.  But I'm just going by "Holland Michigan" experience.  Over here
it is really hard to find good help.  But you never know what DMLer is
learking by your area.
Erik Geerdink
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Steve,
The D is a timeless piece of mechanical art, that is only truly appreciated 
by those who savor it's beauty and prestige. I don't feel age is in 
question, it's more what you do with the car. If a teen was to buy the car 
for kicks, I would discourage it, as it would most likely be abused. 
Otherwise, if it was to be cared for, I would encourage it to people of any 
age, being at least old enough to carry a license :)
Regards,
Richard
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>do you guys have to say about the idea of teen ownership? Thanks.
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I'm hardly an expert, but I'd have to say that the answer is definately
Yes/No.  :-)
Yes - If you are really into cars you can probably handle the day-to-day
maintenance of the vehicle.  The manuals and parts are readily
available, and I think the car seems reasonably serviceable by your
average "Saturday afternoon" mechanic.
No - However, youg drivers tend to be somewhat inexperienced drivers,
and will therefore be much more likely to be involved in a stupid
fender-bender or two.   I know, as I'm only 20 myself, and can remember
my first wreck quite well.  It was just a silly little mistake, but the
kind of thing that's very common among drivers with little real
experience behind the wheel.  The problem is that the Delorean is just
going to be SOOO expensive to repair if you sustain body damage, that
those costs alone may be prohibitive.
So, I guess my real answer is... tell us a little more about yourself. 
:)  If you're 18 and have a good 50,000 miles behind you, I'd say go for
it.  The "D" is a fantastic car, and I believe that you'll love every
minute of driving/tinkering with it.
OTOH, if you're a 16 yr old, and this is going to be your first car and
daily driver, I'd tend to say that you should hold off on things for a
while.
Hope that helps,
Jess
http://www.biddin.com/delorean/
VIN#5220
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> 
> I have a very simple question for all DeLorean experts out there. Is a
> DeLorean too much for a teen to handle? Is it so ridiculous for a teen
> with a steady job and a knowledge and love for the car to own one? What
> do you guys have to say about the idea of teen ownership? Thanks.
> 
> Ryan Arsenault
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From: "David Silek" <dsilek@email.msn.com>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:19:56 -0400
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Subject: [DML] water leak to the interior
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Dear List,
I too have this problem.  This past week I finished the reinstallation of n=
ew headliners from PJ Grady and had my mechanic put on new brakes, rotors e=
tc... Before I put in the new headliners I had the very same problem that R=
ick had.  I got in the car one day and  the driver's seat was soaking wet. =
Well I hoped this problem would be over after I got new headliners, cleaned=
 the water channels around the door and put the seal back in place.
Well this weekend, my D and I went to Homecoming in Radford, VA.  It rained=
 like crazy on Saturday evening. I didn't check the D during the night thin=
king the water problem had been solved.  I was WRONG.  I got in this a.m. a=
nd found a soaked seat and a damp steering wheel.  =
There is no material from the ceiling wicking up water, and from what I cou=
ld tell, the ceiling panels were dry.  Any ideas?
David Silek
Vin #
Front Royal, VA


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I too have this problem.&nbsp; This past w=
eek I =
finished the reinstallation of new headliners from PJ Grady and had my mech=
anic =
put on new brakes, rotors etc... Before I put in the new headliners I had t=
he =
very same problem that Rick had.&nbsp; I got in the car one day and  the =
driver's seat was soaking wet. Well I hoped this problem would be over afte=
r I =
got new headliners, cleaned the water channels around the door and put the =
seal =
back in place.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well this weekend, my D and I&nbsp;went to=
 =
Homecoming in Radford, VA.&nbsp; It rained like crazy on Saturday evening. =
I =
didn't check the D during the night thinking&nbsp;the water problem&nbsp;ha=
d =
been solved.&nbsp; I was WRONG.&nbsp; I got in this a.m. and found a soaked=
 seat =
and a damp steering wheel.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is no material from the ceiling wick=
ing up =
water, and from what I could tell, the ceiling panels were dry.&nbsp; Any =
ideas?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>David Silek</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vin #</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Front Royal, VA</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 04:44:49 -0700
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Subject: [DML] Other than dooe and dash, where can VIN be found?
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Other than the door frame and dash, where can the VIN be found.
If no where else, is there a chassis number to VIN or Engine number to
VIN cross reference?
-bob

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:41:39 -0700
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Subject: [DML] Ignition Switch
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I have a little ignition problem of my own.  The spring in my ignition
doesn't work.  whenever I turn the key, I have to turn the key back
into place, it doesn't automaticly go.  Anybody have any clues what to
do?  Would the Ignition Tuneup Kit from DMC Houston solve my problem or
do I need to get a whole new Ignition

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From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle@enteract.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:13:24 -0500
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I think we've about covered this one from both angles (pro and con) for now.
It's been covered extensively in the past as well.
Nothing personal, but the thread is now closed.
Dave (Moderator this week)

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