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3749. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: Build date
3750. Stian Birkeland           DeLoreans in South Africa?
3751. Stian Birkeland           Stainless Steel Exhaust for the DeLorean
3752. Stephen Wynne             Millennium: The DeLorean Motor Company Concours
3753. Stian Birkeland           DeLorean Bad Publicity
3754. mdeluca(AT)comtechpst.com    Re: Giving in to the wife
3755. magriese(AT)us.ibm.com       Turn Signal Flasher
3756. Stian Birkeland           Euro-spec DeLoreans!
3757. Stian Birkeland           Hypothetical yet important ENGINE & TRANSMISSION 
3758. sgrauel(AT)prodigy.net       Fuel problem I think!
3759. wb4mnf(AT)atl.org            VIN to chassis number cross reference sought
3760. Richard Strecker          Y2K Show Dates
3761. James Espey               Re: VIN to chassis number cross reference sought
3762. SweatyEddy                Re: Giving in to the wife
3763. BondAtomic(AT)aol.com        DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3764. Michael Babb              Re: Giving in to the wife
3765. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: Fuel problem I think!
3766. DMC Joe                   Correction
3767. William T Wilson          Re: Hypothetical yet important ENGINE & TRANSMISS
3768. Sjaeger01(AT)aol.com         Wheel Bearings.
3769. Jake                      Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3770. SAND131(AT)aol.com           Re: Fuel problem I think!
3771. Michael Solomon           Re: Fwd:  Lee' post re model "fraud"
3772. Marc A Levy               I failed inspection!
3773. Dave Swingle              Lee
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:56:21 EDT
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In a message dated 10/12/99 12:32:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
james(AT)usadmc.com writes:
<< Sorry, but the wheels were made elsewhere, not at the factory, and the
 dates on the wheels are the dates that the wheels were cast, not the
 date that the car was made.
  >>
Yes,I know that,but the wheels were made close to the time of manufacture of 
the car,in other words if all four wheels have the same date,and your vin 
plate has the same month,then you are very close to your build date.Correct?
Claude
Vin006383
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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
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Can someone shed any light on this...
In the magazine "Car South Africa", May 1982 there is an article on 
DeLoreans for sale in South Africa. The price was R60.000... How much is 
that in US$?
The importer was Meerneed International, an import/export company.
Are there any South African DeLorean owners on this list??? Does anyone know 
how many cars that actually found their way to South Africa?
Since this article was written in May 1982 I'd guess that the VIN numbers 
were in the late 11.000 series... And there are also reports on DeLoreans 
finding their ways to Kuwait and Saudi-Arabia.
Regards
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
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Hello all.
For your information, there's a company in England that makes stainless 
steel exhaust for the DeLorean.
Here's the info:
London Stainless Steel Exhaust Centre Ltd  -  Quicksilver Exhaust Systems
249 - 253 Queenstown Road
London SW8 3NP
United Kingdon
Tel: +44 0171 622 2120 Fax: +44 0171 627 0991
E-Mail: 101445.341(AT)compuserve.com
http://www.racecar.co.uk/quicksilver
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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I would like to thank all the competitors, expo attendees and vendors that
made the Concours and Products Fair held as part of the DeLorean Owners
Association Expo in St. Louis this past weekend.
A very, very special thanks the Millennium Judges, who so graciously gave
up part of the weekend to judge the concours cars at the event. Never
before has there been such detail in a DeLorean concours, and the judges
performed their task in a thorough and objective manner. I hope that they
will take some time once more and share their thoughts on the show with the
rest of the DeLorean Mailing List.
The judges for this event were:
Marty Maier, Engine Compartment
Bill Swilley, Operating Controls
Knut Grimsrud, Interior
Mike Substelny, Undercarriage
Patti Substelny, Exterior
Ken Montgomery, Luggage Compartment
Competing in the concours were:
Scott and Shirley Lieber
Don Gowler
James and Kris Smith
Chad and Karen Lange
Ken Koncelik
Joe Candella
Phillip Pratt
John Yerskey and Bill Winegard
The final results of the concours judging were announced Saturday evening
at the Oktoberfest Ball. For those who were unable to attend, the awards
were presented as follows:
Concours
First Place, with 285.5 out of 300 points, James & Kris Smith
Second Place, with 282.5 out of 300 points, Scott and Shirley Lieber
Third Place, with 273.25 out of 300 points, Ken Koncelik
Competing in People Choice Competition were:
Richard Cutter
Bill Swilley
Ken Cooley
Bill Swilley took first place in the Peoples Choice competition with his
170,000 mile 1981 DdeLorean, while Richard Cutter came in second with his
1981 DeLorean that he had modified by installing a Cadillac Northstar V-8
engine.
My thanks again to all involved with the event, and I hope to see and meet
more of you at Ken's event in Cleveland next June, as well as at the next
Association Expo next November in Las Vegas.
Stephen Wynne
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
281/568-9573
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After reading the transcript on "The Car's the Star" on the British DeLorean 
website, I feel that I have to comment on that...
I get a feeling that there are lots of DMC documentaries that put the 
DeLorean in a bad spot. What could this community do with this trend?
Maybe it is time for us to make a real documentary, a long documentary, 
maybe even a series of several programmes, covering all aspects of the car 
and the company.
It is bound to cost some money, but there is probably a market for car 
documentaries. It would be fantastic if a TV station got interested.Imagine 
what this group could do together. Imagine what this would mean in positive 
publicity and to boost the DeLorean's value. If such an effort could be 
organized in some way, getting DeLorean shots from all over the world and 
showing everyone how popular the car really is, I think we would have a 
winner.
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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I don't think you should sell your Delorean because of your wife.
Too many people I've talked to have sold cars under similar
circumstances
(just dumped a bunch of money into the car and now the wife says get
rid 
of it) and then regretted it in years to come and wished they didn't do
it.
It sounds like you just took the big $6k hit, the damage is done
so now isn't the time to sell it.
Remember you can always get another wife but you may never have another
Delorean!
Ok I admit it, I only had the nerve to write the last sentence because
I know there is no chance my wife will ever see this posting). 
 
No signature 
This time
Vin XXXX



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> After about a year of discussion, (nagging), I am considering giving
in to my wifes' request, (demand), to sell my Delorean. It's an 81,
manual, gray interior, It just had a $6000 going through by Don Steger
at Delorean Motor Center. Too much info to list here, contact me by
personal email if you are seriously interested and I will discuss in
detail (no BS). I live in Northern California and might be willing to
travel some, this car is a daily driver. Asking $15k
> -SweatyEddy
> swetyedy(AT)cwnet.com
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:35:52 -0500
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Is there some kind of trick to keeping the turn signal flasher
from failing?  I'm about to install my third flasher in the last
18 months and I have no confidence that this one will last
any longer.
On a related note, has anyone had a tachometer
failure?  Mine winked out over the weekend.  I
haven't had a chance to debug it yet, but the
idle control and the engine management system
still works, so the problem is either in the tach itself,
the insturment cluster flex circuit, or the wiring harness
to the dash.
Mike Griese
Storage Software Development Manager
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN  55901
Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com
voice:     (507)253-1853
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:31:25 PDT
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Hello,
Does anyone have the infolisting of the few Euro-spec DeLoreans?
How many were right-hand drive?
How many were left-hand drive?
Interior colors?
Transmissions?
Regards
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:41:13 PDT
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We all know there are lots of PRV's and transmissions left... But what can 
be used instead when they are gone? There is a "genuine" replacement, 
provided it can be fitted.
Is it possible to fit a PRV engine from the Renault GTA?
Is it possible to fit the Renault GTA's transmission?
If the answer is yes to both these questions, then the DeLorean would have 
the following specs.:
TYPE                ALLOY V6 MOUNTED IN-LINE AT REAR
CAPACITY            2849cc
BORE/STROKE         91x73
COMPRESSION RATIO   9:5:1
VALVE GEAR          SINGLE OVERHEAD CAM PER BANK OF CYLINDERS
FUEL SYSTEM         1 SINGLE-CHOKE SOLEX 34TBIA, 1 TWIN SOLEX 35 CEEI
POWER               160 BHP AT 5750 RPM
TORQUE              166 LB FT AT 3500 RPM
Regards
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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The D will not start and the fuel pump does not work. If I apply 12
volts to it then it runs and if I take the line loose I get gas flow.
We can=92t find the fuse for the gas pump but even with the pump running
it still does not start.  Any help will be appreciated and where can I
get a manual or diagram for the wiring.
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I don't care when the car was built...
I am looking for a cross reference between VIN and chassis number,
engine 
number, tranny number, etc. How else to know if the car is built from
the same parts it left the factory with :-)
I.E. This VIN has this chassis number.
This VIN has this engine number or this engine number goes with this
chassis
and hence this VIN...
If anyone knows where to find this info or who might have it, I'd
really like to know.
DMC-Jo
Shop manual and label location. HA! Have a look at your manual and then
see if the label is where the manual says it is.
-bob

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Apparently there are some problems with the way the "Ticker
Tape" display is working (or not working).  There is
supposed to be a scrolling message located between the
navigation buttons and the bottom edge of the photo on the
Home page.
The message is : CLEVELAND OHIO  JUNE 15 -18, 2000
I will remove the fancy stuff, sorry 'bout the confusion.
See you at the show!
Richard

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At 4:56 PM -0500 10/12/99, wb4mnf(AT)atl.org wrote:
>I am looking for a cross reference between VIN and chassis number,
>engine
>number, tranny number, etc. How else to know if the car is built from
>the same parts it left the factory with :-)
>
>I.E. This VIN has this chassis number.
>This VIN has this engine number or this engine number goes with this
>chassis
>and hence this VIN...
>
>If anyone knows where to find this info or who might have it, I'd
>really like to know.
>
We at De Lorean Motor Company have some of this information in our
possession. Contact me via private email with the VIN(s) your want to know
about and I will see if we have it.
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
281/568-9573
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Thanks for the support but she does have a few valid points, mainly that my
kids are now too big for a two seater. I have had the car for 5 or 6 years
now and it is a burden in some ways. As far as the getting another wife
thing, I've already done that and believe me that's more hassle than it's
worth.
-SweatyEddy
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> I don't think you should sell your Delorean because of your wife.
> Too many people I've talked to have sold cars under similar
> circumstances
> (just dumped a bunch of money into the car and now the wife says get
> rid
> of it) and then regretted it in years to come and wished they didn't do
> it.
> It sounds like you just took the big $6k hit, the damage is done
> so now isn't the time to sell it.
> Remember you can always get another wife but you may never have another
> Delorean!
> Ok I admit it, I only had the nerve to write the last sentence because
> I know there is no chance my wife will ever see this posting).
>
> No signature
> This time
> Vin XXXX
>
>
>
>
>
> "sweatyeddy" <swetyed-(AT)cwnet.com> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=3740
> > After about a year of discussion, (nagging), I am considering giving
> in to my wifes' request, (demand), to sell my Delorean. It's an 81,
> manual, gray interior, It just had a $6000 going through by Don Steger
> at Delorean Motor Center. Too much info to list here, contact me by
> personal email if you are seriously interested and I will discuss in
> detail (no BS). I live in Northern California and might be willing to
> travel some, this car is a daily driver. Asking $15k
> > -SweatyEddy
> > swetyedy(AT)cwnet.com
> >
> >
>
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There is a good website with a DeLorean pic and a bunch of other cars. You 
can also get a newsletter from it.
This is the website-
http://www.cars.simplenet.com/
Happy looking!
John Feldman
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Hear, Hear!  I was basically given an ultimatum by my fianc=E9, "Get rid of=
 the car, or get rid of me".
I am now happily driving around in my DeLorean in Colorado while my "former=
" fianc=E9 is in North Carolina.
Single and loving it in Colorado
Michael Babb
Vin 3472
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I don't think you should sell your Delorean because of your wife.
Too many people I've talked to have sold cars under similar
circumstances
(just dumped a bunch of money into the car and now the wife says get
rid =
of it) and then regretted it in years to come and wished they didn't do
it.
It sounds like you just took the big $6k hit, the damage is done
so now isn't the time to sell it.
Remember you can always get another wife but you may never have another
Delorean!
Ok I admit it, I only had the nerve to write the last sentence because
I know there is no chance my wife will ever see this posting). =
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No signature =
This time
Vin XXXX



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> After about a year of discussion, (nagging), I am considering giving
in to my wifes' request, (demand), to sell my Delorean. It's an 81,
manual, gray interior, It just had a $6000 going through by Don Steger
at Delorean Motor Center. Too much info to list here, contact me by
personal email if you are seriously interested and I will discuss in
detail (no BS). I live in Northern California and might be willing to
travel some, this car is a daily driver. Asking $15k
> -SweatyEddy
> swetyedy(AT)cwnet.com
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [DML] Re: Giving in to th=
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wife.
Too many people I've talked to have sold cars under similar
circumstances
(just dumped a bunch of money into the car and now the wife says get
rid =
of it) and then regretted it in years to come and wished they didn't do
it.
It sounds like you just took the big $6k hit, the damage is done
so now isn't the time to sell it.
Remember you can always get another wife but you may never have another
Delorean!
Ok I admit it, I only had the nerve to write the last sentence because
I know there is no chance my wife will ever see this posting). =
 =
No signature =
This time
Vin XXXX



"sweatyeddy" &lt;swetyed-(AT)cwnet.com&gt; wrote: =
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&gt; After about a year of discussion, (nagging), I am considering giving
in to my wifes' request, (demand), to sell my Delorean. It's an 81,
manual, gray interior, It just had a $6000 going through by Don Steger
at Delorean Motor Center. Too much info to list here, contact me by
personal email if you are seriously interested and I will discuss in
detail (no BS). I live in Northern California and might be willing to
travel some, this car is a daily driver. Asking $15k
&gt; -SweatyEddy
&gt; swetyedy(AT)cwnet.com
&gt; =
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:05:55 EDT
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The fuse for the fuel pump is at the top of the fuse panel, in the middle I 
believe, if I remember correctly.  I had a similar problem; my fuel pump 
wouldn't run, turned out to be the fuse. It had gotten hot enough to melt 
around it so it wasn't making contact. And just in case, the fuse panel is 
behind the passenger seat under the carpet.
Scott
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To All,
My comment "Not recommended", meant the entire paint removal process is not
recommended.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: DMC Joe <DMCJOE(AT)att.net>
> To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Un- paint a D?
> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:57 PM
> 
> 
> Paint removal from a DeLorean is extremely labor intensive and must be
left
> to a professional. After the paint is removed the panels will have to be
> re-brushed. Not recommended.
> 
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
> Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
> 
> ----------
> > From: JimmuC(AT)aol.com
> > To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com
> > Subject: [DML] Un- paint a D?
> > Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:08 PM
> > 
> > Hello. I might be buying a painted 81 Delorean. Is there anyway to
> un-paint 
> > or remove the paint from it without damaging the SS? Is it possible for
> me to 
> > do it myself? Thank You very much for answering my questions. I am very
> > grateful. 
> >                                     -Jimmy
> > 
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Stian Birkeland wrote:
> Is it possible to fit a PRV engine from the Renault GTA?
> Is it possible to fit the Renault GTA's transmission?
Supposedly there are minor differences between the DeLorean PRV and other
PRVs, but I don't know what they are, other than the oil pan.  Supposedly
many things that were "right" became "left."
As for the transmission, the Renault R30 (I think that's the designation)
is what's used in the DeLorean.  You have to take the DeLorean's final
drive unit, however.
> TYPE                ALLOY V6 MOUNTED IN-LINE AT REAR
> CAPACITY            2849cc
> BORE/STROKE         91x73
> COMPRESSION RATIO   9:5:1
This is the B28E, is it not?  I think the B28F used in the DeLorean was
primarily distinguished by its lower compression ratio, required by
emissions.  But a PRV using a modern multiport fuel injection system and
modern catalytic converters, could probably pass emissions easily even
with the higher compression.
> POWER               160 BHP AT 5750 RPM
> TORQUE              166 LB FT AT 3500 RPM
Certainly a good way to increase naturally aspirated power - but note that
it would be harder to turbocharge the higher compression engine.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:36:55 EDT
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While checking a few things on my Delorean the other day, I noticed that the 
front left wheel has some play in it from top to bottom. About 1/2" movement. 
There is no play in the right wheel. Does this mean its time for new wheel 
bearings?
Thanks in advance, Steve.
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:21:39 -0500
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I took a look at the website.  They claim the DeLorean they show is a 1980
model.  I've never heard 1980 DeLorean.  Is this possible?  Am I just nuts?
Jake
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> There is a good website with a DeLorean pic and a bunch of other cars. You
> can also get a newsletter from it.
> This is the website-
>
> http://www.cars.simplenet.com/
>
> Happy looking!
> John Feldman
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In a message dated 10/12/99 8:49:02 PM Central Daylight Time, 
DMC83in99(AT)aol.com writes:
<< The fuse for the fuel pump is at the top of the fuse panel, in the middle 
I 
 believe, if I remember correctly.  I had a similar problem; my fuel pump 
 wouldn't run, turned out to be the fuse. It had gotten hot enough to melt 
 around it so it wasn't making contact. And just in case, the fuse panel is 
 behind the passenger seat under the carpet. >>
CHECK THE INERTIA SWITCH FIRST!!  RALPH Vin1606
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:38:33 -0400 (EDT)
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Dear List;
It is with great sadness and reluctance that I
wrie this reply to Lee's distorted airing of what I
intended first as a only slightly miffed  private ist inquiry and which,
due to Lee's unexpectedl
and highly undeserved, in my opinion, reaction,
quickly escalated into a tempest.
Back near the beginning ofthe year, as a new
DMCer I wa excited at discovering, thru Lee's
posts that there might be a vacancy inthe
heretofore completely subscribed kit paid group of purchasers. ( I later
learned that there were
indeed either many kits avaiable- through
defetion due to simliar experiences or
exasperation with Lee as I now have
experienced? I dont know, were many kits
avaiable all along? Anyway, I spoke with Lee
and he told me that my kit should be ready
about 30 days after I sent him my credit card #
for payment in full at a quoted figure. When I
got my credit card statement he charged more
but so what, I was getting a kit. Since March,
even though  I read many posts about
frustrations and inquiries about kits, both here
and on Lee's site, as well as Lee and Lee's
wife's posts about the numerous delays, I
remained silent and supportive of Lee even
though I had never pai a complete sranger
100pecnt in advance wih my credit card #. as
well based on a promise which was this month
was 6or700 percent overdue. I was prepared to
wait  even longer( although Lee seems to admit he has been forced into
other refunds for failure to  deliver) even after he theatened to raise
prices etc when he got mad before (apparently
unjustifiably based upon the reply I read here
from the alleged wrongdoer).
What  prompted my private e mail below is
stated, as well as his unexpected punative bully like reply,  which also
follows in its entirity'   Lee punished me  for daring to call into
question his
priorities, commitment to promises made,etc/ I
was expecting either an apology, explanation
or both. My   fault, from what  I had read to th is
point, I should have known who I was dealing
with.I hope the  moderator will afford me the same rights that  Lee was
given when he was allowed to quote one of my three private e mails to
Lee out of context when he  conveniently neglected
to mention how this whole thing started, that I
didnt ask for a refund, that I didnt ask for an
special consideration or priority in getting my
kit, didn't call him a cheat , a fraud , a thief or
imply any of these.... only maybe that he was
neglecting those that had stuck with him without
question ( as to time of delivery of the kits only! in favor of the new
project of selling, in
wholesale amounts a new product- lit key
assemblies. My " legal " responses  were only prompted by his highhanded
treatment of a benign private critic; I wasnt, and wont let him either
push me around based upon him controlling the means of production of
something I wanted> I also wont let him misrepresent was was said in
private betwwen us, on the List  as a reading of all the emails both
below and in my following supplimental posts containing both his email
first offering me and then, in the same email again taking away my kit,
as well as my last comcillatory message which was answered with his
preemptory strike on the list ,  BTW Lee never really answered what
first asked. He cant  because  it now seems there is no  defensable
answer.
If your interested, read it all and deside, as I did after reading the
reply of the  last poor soul who Lee  maligned on the List.Also BTW  I
only signed my email to him  in that imperial  manner to  gently lobby
him to  discontimue his heraldic closings on the List . Moral : he's
"fed up" and he"doesn't care" anymore as he states  Dont question him or
perhaps worse will happen to you as he states me will not refund  anyone
else and has "no idea when the kits will ne completed. Lee  remember it
was you who decided to go public with this. I started and stayed private
, Lee,=A0Its not my fault you got to this state, whose fault is it?
                       Michael Solomon #2904

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From: Jeff <jthiel(AT)radiance.com>
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At 10:14 PM 10/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Lee,
>I note with some interest that you are now marketing, both wholesale and
>retail, several types of keys on the DML.
>I paid you for my kit last March and still have no idea when I will have
>it. You promised it to me by May . You and your wife have repeatedly
>posted your various reasons and excuses for slow production and until
>now I have benn silent in my patience, but how and why do you have time
>for the keys at the expense of my kit that you have had the benefit of
>my $$ for 7 months?
>
>
Your problem is easily solved. I am sending you a full refund as of today.
I note that you failed to include your Reservation number which is 032/61.
You noted that there have been many excuses for delays, I disagree with
your term excuse.
I have repeated many times that this project to do a limited edition model
commission
has turned out to be far more time consuming than I had originally thought
it would be and have shared the reasons with every one publicly. Creating
the kits is not now and has never been a profit making venture. It is a
pastime which I do when I have the time, just as I do with the keys. I
still have to work like every one else.
Keys take an hour each not including the handling and shipping, kits take
several days each
over a period of 7 to 10 days of curing and assembly of parts. The entire
process is by hand, and every imperfect part  is discarded and re done.
I posted recently that because an owner attempted to defraud me of a kit
selling a second kit requested to replace a lost in shipment kit on e-bay
for $400+ That the only way I could deal with this was to, stop shipping as
the kits were completed and hold them all until all were completed, then
ship every remaining kit with new updated shipping fees and adult
signatures required to prevent a reoccurrence of the attempted theft of a kit.
At this point I really don't know when I will get all the kits done, when
they are then and only then will I start shipping again, and even then only
if the shipping charges are paid in full.
Of course all this is now moot in your case. Your refund is on it's way.
Lee

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I was sure I would find a answer to this in the back issues, but no
luck.
I went through inspection yesterday, and failed.  The guy that put the
red sticker on my car said "The HC was a bit high".
I would prefer not to mess with the mixture because this car is
Turbocharged (Island Twin).  If its not broke, don't fix it.
I have passed inspection with this setup for the past few years, since
PJGrady replaced the O2 sensor, and a few other items that were removed
when the turbos were installed.
I recently replaced the air filter (if you read my post of a week ago,
it became oil drenched when oil was sucked in through the PVC).
So, Is there a quick fix to get it to pass?  If I disconnect the PVC
hose?  disconnect the idle switch?  Remove air filter?  Maybe some fuel
additive?
This weekend is the Fall event for De Lorean Mid Atlantic, and I would
be embarrassed to show up with a big red sticker :)
Thanks,
Marc
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I have posted Lee's original note on the status of the models, and the first
reply from the other party in the interest of fairness. Lee had requested
all other replies privately, I'm honoring that and am not interested in
fostering a debate on the list of the personalities or legalities involved.
Future posts on this issue, even from Lee, will not be posted.
Dave
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