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3774. Reggie_Knowlton(AT)vapower.com Re: I failed inspection!
3775. MARK DAVIDSON             rear ground clearance
3776. ajl521(AT)aol.com            Re: I failed inspection!
3777. William T Wilson          Re: I failed inspection!
3778. James Senft               Re: I failed inspection!
3779. DMC Joe                   Re: Fuel problem I think!
3780. Mike Substelny            Re: Outstanding Concours at Expo in St. Louis
3781. DMC Joe                   Re: I failed inspection!
3782. Martin Gutkowski          Re: Euro-spec DeLoreans!
3783. Martin Gutkowski          Car's the Star UPDATE
3784. LovDMC12(AT)aol.com          Re: DeLorean Bad Publicity
3785. DeLorean31(AT)aol.com        DeLorean Mid Atlantic Social Oct 17th
3786. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: Wheel Bearings.
3787. DMC Joe                   Re: Wheel Bearings.
3788. Gary Hull                 DeLorean Needed for Event in San Clemente Califor
3789. fred50fred(AT)email.msn.com  50 Plastic model DeLoreans
3790. delorean502(AT)excite.com    wheels
3791. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Re: rear ground clearance
3792. DMC Joe                   Cleveland Tech Session Up-date
3793. DMC Joe                   Re: rear ground clearance
3794. Marc A Levy               Re: I failed inspection!
3795. saintern                  depreciation
3796. delorean502(AT)excite.com    Re: depreciation
3797. Mike Substelny            Re: depreciation
3798. ABatt10347(AT)aol.com        DuPont Registry Top 100 Cars of the Century
3799. Sean Howley               Windshield washer fluid reservoir
3800. Michael Babb              Re: wheels
3801. David Sontos              Virginia Car Show
3802. Phil                      Re: depreciation
3803. yugoman                   Re: depreciation
3804. Robert Greenhaw           Can a DeLorean be Keyed?
3805. Robert Greenhaw           Is it safe to use this on DeLoreans?
3806. rickaye(AT)webtv.net         battery problem
3807. Lee                       Re: depreciation
3808. mnoeltne(AT)ezl.com          Re: Windshield washer fluid reservoir
3809. Marc A Levy               Re: wheels
3810. delorean502(AT)excite.com    ignition
3811. jtrealty(AT)webspan.net      SO.N.J. CAR SHOW  10/18
3812. James Espey               Concours Handbook & Judging Sheets
3813. Mike Substelny            Re: Can a DeLorean be Keyed?
3814. Mike Substelny            Re: wheels
3815. Michael Reinemuth         Stainless Steel Illusion
3816. Mrgolf77(AT)aol.com          DeLorean glass
3817. yugoman                   Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3818. Brian J McCool            Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3819. Lee                       New Torsion bars
3820. James Espey               Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3821. Michael Babb              Re: Can a DeLorean be Keyed?
3822. James Espey               DeLoreans originally shipped to Middle East
3823. DMC Joe                   Re: Is it safe to use this on DeLoreans?
3824. DMC Joe                   Re: battery problem
3825. dick ross                 D for $1500
3826. DMC Joe                   Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3827. Jesse D. Sightler         Re: DeLorean glass
3828. delorean502(AT)excite.com    luggage rack
3829. Doc                       Re: Can a DeLorean be Keyed?
3830. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: luggage rack
3831. DeLorean31(AT)aol.com        Re: SO.N.J.CAR SHOW 10/18 (Correction)
3832. Ann & Ed Thompson         Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3833. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3834. BondAtomic(AT)aol.com        Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3835. wb4mnf(AT)atl.org            Look at your car. Chassis number and VIN
3836. Michael Babb              Re: Is it safe to use this on DeLoreans?
3837. Josh Haldeman             Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3838. Ann & Ed Thompson         Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3839. William T Wilson          Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3840. WINGD2(AT)aol.com            Delorean Give-Away
3841. luke.sandel(AT)cmich.edu     Re: Concours Handbook & Judging Sheets
3842. Michael Babb              Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3843. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site
3844. Lee                       Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
3845. NickSeiler(AT)aol.com        I need info!!!
3846. Dave Swingle              DMC-News T-shirts and Stuff
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Marc, does your car have the original catalytic converter on it? If so, replace
it,  you'll be amazed at the difference in the hydrocarbon readings after you
do. Disconnecting equipment will cause you more grief than it's worth, they were
put in there for a reason. You don't say which state you live in but having
lived in and around Stone Mountain, Georgia for ten years I've had the go around
of getting cars to pass the emmisions test, Good Ruck!
Reggie


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From: "MARK DAVIDSON" <WMARKDAVIDSON(AT)email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:47:36 -0000
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Can you tell me the correct ground clearance for the front and rear of the
car? I have read that the rear is 6.1 inches and 6.87 inches. I had new
tires put on the car and was told by the installer that the car was an inch
low in the rear (5.8 inches). When you set in the drivers seat and look at
the rear view mirror you see more of the headlinner than the read window. As
this is my first D and I have not been around any before so I do not know if
this is "normal" From the outside the car looks like it is setting
correctly. I have head stories about cutting the rear springs and moving
them to the front etc. Any help would be appreciated.
mark






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> I went through inspection yesterday, and failed.  The guy that put the
> red sticker on my car said "The HC was a bit high".
> So, Is there a quick fix to get it to pass?  If I disconnect the PVC
> hose?  disconnect the idle switch?  Remove air filter?  Maybe some
fuel
> additive?
 I personally am a strong beleaver in "Guarenteed to Pass Emissions"
fuel additive. Since it burns cleaner then gas, the HC and CO are both
lower. I have an old Buick that I use it in every year, and that spits
out blue smoke! But it passes the test with flying colors. I have not
gotten the notice on my Delorean yet, but I will use the same product
again. 
Andrew

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Marc A Levy wrote:
> I would prefer not to mess with the mixture because this car is
> Turbocharged (Island Twin).  If its not broke, don't fix it.
Good idea.  Do you have the muffler-equipped version or the catalytic
converter-equipped version?
> So, Is there a quick fix to get it to pass?  If I disconnect the PVC
> hose?  disconnect the idle switch?  Remove air filter?  Maybe some fuel
> additive?
Don't remove your air filter.  Depending on how high your HC is (what is
the limit and the amount that you produced?) you could probably get away
with changing the spark plugs, setting the timing, and putting some of
that "guarantee to pass emissions" stuff in your fuel.

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My D also failed the emissions inspection for several years in a row (high
HC).  A local Volvo specialist tweaked as best he could, including new
plugs, air filter and his instruments showed acceptable levels of HC.  But
Maryland  vehicle  emissions inspection still failed it.
But this year it finally passed!   Tried a bottle of "guaranteed to pass"
stuff from local auto store mixed with AMOCO premium, drive it for 250
miles, and combined with a 40 minute wait in line idling on a 98 degree day
(engine was HOT!), it passed !  Reading was 218, failure was 220.
Good luck on yours!
Jim
Marc A Levy wrote:
> I was sure I would find a answer to this in the back issues, but no
> luck.
>
> I went through inspection yesterday, and failed.  The guy that put the
> red sticker on my car said "The HC was a bit high".
>
> I would prefer not to mess with the mixture because this car is
> Turbocharged (Island Twin).  If its not broke, don't fix it.
>
> I have passed inspection with this setup for the past few years, since
> PJGrady replaced the O2 sensor, and a few other items that were removed
> when the turbos were installed.
>
> I recently replaced the air filter (if you read my post of a week ago,
> it became oil drenched when oil was sucked in through the PVC).
>
> So, Is there a quick fix to get it to pass?  If I disconnect the PVC
> hose?  disconnect the idle switch?  Remove air filter?  Maybe some fuel
> additive?
>
> This weekend is the Fall event for De Lorean Mid Atlantic, and I would
> be embarrassed to show up with a big red sticker :)
>
> Thanks,
> Marc
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:20:21 -0400
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There are three possible causes of no power to the fuel pump. Fuse # 7 is
open, the RPM (fuel pump) relay is defective or the inertia (impact) switch
is open.
Wiring diagrams for all systems can be found in the DeLorean Workshop
Manual available from DMC Houston and PG Grady.
  
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The D will not start and the fuel pump does not work. If I apply 12
volts to it then it runs and if I take the line loose I get gas flow.
We canít find the fuse for the gas pump but even with the pump running
it still does not start.  Any help will be appreciated and where can I
get a manual or diagram for the wiring.
Thanks Steve

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From: Mike Substelny <msubstel(AT)lorainccc.edu>
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My wife, Patti, and I also had the pleasure of judging the Concours at the the
DOA's Saint Louis Expo.  We found it to be challenging and fun at the same time,
an experience we hope to repeat in the future.
The quality of all eight Concours cars was excellent, making them a pleasure to
examine.  It was obvious that the contestants took the competition very
seriously, and I hope that our judging was up to their expectations.
DMC Houston did an excellent job of preparing us to judge the cars.  Before we
left home they provided us with meticulously prepared judging books, complete
with color pictures and VIN breakdowns, as well as detailed scoring sheets.  The
morning of the Concours they hosted a breakfast where they gave us a final
briefing and answered our questions.
During the judging, DMC Houston gave us excellent support.  They supplied us
with two-way radios so we could easily call on their expertise when needed.
Stephen and James were available to answer questions about small details, some
of them very picky.
Concours judging was set up such that each judge was responsible for one
particular area on all eight cars.  I judged undercarriages while Patti judged
exteriors.  This helped to keep the scoring as balanced as possible; an
important factor when so much personal judgement is involved.
Perhaps the greatest benefit of my judging experience was educational.  Even
after years of owning a DeLorean and reading the DML, Concours judging taught me
a *lot* about DeLoreans.  There is no better way to learn the subtle differences
introduced by the factory, the QACs, and dealers while the cars were being sold.
Even though I spent 2.5 hours stooped over and crawling on the floor under these
gorgeous cars, I did not become as sore and stiff as Knut did.  However, I think
I had dreams about fan cowls and epoxy-coated frames all night long.
TO ALL DMLers:
If you are ever fortunate enough to be asked to judge a DeLorean Concours, I
highly recommend that you accept the offer.  You will be glad you did.
Patti and I want to thank DMC Houston for offering us this opportunity.  We also
want to thank the DOA for arranging such a nice, enjoyable Expo.
- Mike Substelny

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Try pulling the CO mixture plug out of the hole have it tested again. With
the plug removed the mixture will go lean and reduce the HC's. Be aware
that this will probably cause hesitation until the engine reaches operating
temperature.
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> From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com>
> 
> I was sure I would find a answer to this in the back issues, but no
> luck.
> 
> I went through inspection yesterday, and failed.  The guy that put the
> red sticker on my car said "The HC was a bit high".
> 
> I would prefer not to mess with the mixture because this car is
> Turbocharged (Island Twin).  If its not broke, don't fix it.
> 
> I have passed inspection with this setup for the past few years, since
> PJGrady replaced the O2 sensor, and a few other items that were removed
> when the turbos were installed.
> 
> I recently replaced the air filter (if you read my post of a week ago,
> it became oil drenched when oil was sucked in through the PVC).
> 
> So, Is there a quick fix to get it to pass?  If I disconnect the PVC
> hose?  disconnect the idle switch?  Remove air filter?  Maybe some fuel
> additive?
> 
> This weekend is the Fall event for De Lorean Mid Atlantic, and I would
> be embarrassed to show up with a big red sticker :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Marc

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:58:28 +0100
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Stian Birkeland wrote:
> Hello,
> Does anyone have the infolisting of the few Euro-spec DeLoreans?
What do you want to know?
>
> How many were right-hand drive?
All of them bar one, owned by Simon Lees-Milne
>
> How many were left-hand drive?
One
>
> Interior colors?
All Black AFAIK
>
> Transmissions?
All manual bar one, owned by Chris Parnham
Any more specific and I'll have to spend time typing it all out - you'll see
much of them on the club website,
Best Wishes,
Martin
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Dear all,
Download video captures of the show, and see screen grabs and responses
I've received as a result of the show (the printable ones!!!). Find your
way to the Report page and the download page. The videos are quite
large, but well worth the wait. When all's said and done, there was a
lot of great footage of our beloved cars on the program.
Best Wishes,
Martin
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I think Stian may be on to something here about positive publicity.  I don't 
know if you get the History Channel in Europe, but they have a show called 
"Automobiles" that covers a particular vehicle or marque in a one hour 
episode.  They do a very good job of cutting through the rumors and getting 
to the facts as they did with their episode on Preston Tucker.  
During the episode on the Pontiac Firebird, which was created during John 
DeLorean's tenure as general manager of the division, Bunkie Knudson was 
interviewed and said that "John DeLorean is the finest engineer I've ever 
known."  This came from a man who is highly respected in the automotive 
community and has a long list of accomplishments.
Perhaps the members of this list could each take the small amount of time it 
would require to write a letter to the History Channel and suggest that they 
dedicate an episode of "Automobiles" to the DeLorean.  At least our voices 
would be heard, and we might just get some of the attention both the car and 
its creator deserve.
You can write the History Channel at:
A&E/ History Channel
Viewer Relations
235 E. 45th Street
New York, New York 10017
Just think how many people were set straight about the DeLorean cocaine sting 
thanks to the "E! True Hollywood Story" episode that aired earlier this year. 
 Perhaps now more people are aware that JZD wasn't a drug trafficker and is 
not currently in prison.  The more information we can get out on television 
that tells the truth about the man and the car the better it will be for all 
involved with the DeLorean automobile.
Brian
VIN 1597  
     
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Our Fall Social is this Sunday Oct 17th.  It will be held at the Chatsworth 
Cranberry Festival in the Pine Barrens in NJ.  The festival has a car show on 
Sunday.  We should have a good turnout of DeLoreans there.  Any DeLorean 
owner or enthusiast in the area is welcome to attend.  Those bringing their 
cars must be on the show field by 11am.  Below is the web site address to the 
Festival for more information.  Looking forward to another nice DeLortean get 
together after the very enjoyable and memorable time we had in St Louis last 
weekend.
Chatsworth Festival Site:
http://www.cranfest.org/html/festival.shtml
Gary Gore
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In a message dated 10/13/99 9:18:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Sjaeger01(AT)aol.com writes:
<< While checking a few things on my Delorean the other day, I noticed that 
the 
 front left wheel has some play in it from top to bottom. About 1/2" 
movement. 
 There is no play in the right wheel. Does this mean its time for new wheel 
 bearings?
  >>
Balljoints worn.
Claude
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Yes; replace the wheel bearing.
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> From: Sjaeger01(AT)aol.com
> 
> While checking a few things on my Delorean the other day, I noticed that
the 
> front left wheel has some play in it from top to bottom. About 1/2"
movement. 
> There is no play in the right wheel. Does this mean its time for new
wheel 
> bearings?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Steve.

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Would you like to make a few bucks displaying your DeLorean and providing
short rides?  The event is a private school graduation in San Clemente
California in June of 2000?  The theme will be BTTF, but a stock DeLorean
would be fine. Please feel free to forward this request to other SoCal
DeLorean or BTTF connections you may have.
Contact Einstein(AT)IN2TIME.com for details if available for this event.

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About ten years ago I bought 50 plastic BTTF model kits and 50 kits
used to convert the BTTF model into the stock DeLorean. Each combined
set includes all the parts needed to assemble one stock, doors closed,
plastic DMC-12. Included are a stock body, stock center console, rear
louvers and stock rear deck.These kits are first rate and still
shrink-wrapped in their original boxes. Are these things worth
anything? I'm tired of storing them under my bed! I'm also wondering if
anyone would know an artist who would be willing to assemble them and
paint them. Would anyone want finished models - either BTTF or stock?
What would these be worth?

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ok, are the wheels powder coated?  the reason I ask...this guy came up
to me the other day and looked at my wheels and said "Ya know, you can
make your wheels look brand new if you just used a product called
'Quick Silver' by Armoral"  My wheels have seen there better days.  The
"coating" has chipped off in places.  Now my question is...is this guy
right?  I don't think he is,, but I'd still like to know for sure

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In a message dated 10/13/99 10:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
WMARKDAVIDSON(AT)email.msn.com writes:
<< When you set in the drivers seat and look at
 the rear view mirror you see more of the headlinner than the read window. As
 this is my first D and I have not been around any before so I do not know if
 this is "normal" >>
Mark,
The view in the rear view mirror is totally unaffected by the height of the 
front or back of the car relative to the ground.
Burke
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To All,
The Tech Session portion of our Cleveland service visit is scheduled for
Sunday October 24 at 3:00 PM. Our hosts will provide pizza and hot dogs. Go
to our web-site for complete details.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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All factory DeLoreans have elevated front ends due to a last minute
production change. Forget about cutting springs, simply purchase the
re-calibrated lower springs from PJ Grady or DMC Houston.
 
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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> From: MARK DAVIDSON <WMARKDAVIDSON(AT)email.msn.com>
> 
> Can you tell me the correct ground clearance for the front and rear of
the
> car? I have read that the rear is 6.1 inches and 6.87 inches. I had new
> tires put on the car and was told by the installer that the car was an
inch
> low in the rear (5.8 inches). When you set in the drivers seat and look
at
> the rear view mirror you see more of the headlinner than the read window.
As
> this is my first D and I have not been around any before so I do not know
if
> this is "normal" From the outside the car looks like it is setting
> correctly. I have head stories about cutting the rear springs and moving
> them to the front etc. Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> mark

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Update:  I removed the PCV hose from the air box, and passed with no
problem.
Thanks for the info on the fuel additive.  Maybe I will use that in
2001.

Marc A Levy wrote:
<SNIP>
> I went through inspection yesterday, and failed.  The guy that put the
> red sticker on my car said "The HC was a bit high".
<SNIP>
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Hello,
Just wondering if you guys(and girls) could shed some light on the
depreciation factor of the D as it gets older, and also how hard it is
to sell one once you decide too. I ask this because I'm on the verge of
buying one and was wondering if you can indeed alsmost drive it for
"free", buy selling it for the same price if not for more than you
bought it for minus of course regular matience and insurance. Any onfo
would be helpful
-Donald Kazmark

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Hi Donald,
I think it is possible to drive the delorean for "free" but you have to
realize that the cost for parts and installation over time may be what
you paid for the car originaly.  It's not hard to drop a couple
thousand on a major fix.  Many people have said this to me before, and
I'll say it to you.  "Drive and own a Delorean because you love the
car, the people, and everything else that comes with it.  Don't own a
Delorean if you plan on making money."  
Erik Geerdink
4512
EGGS D

> Hello,
> Just wondering if you guys(and girls) could shed some light on the
> depreciation factor of the D as it gets older, and also how hard it is
> to sell one once you decide too. I ask this because I'm on the verge
of
> buying one and was wondering if you can indeed alsmost drive it for
> "free", buy selling it for the same price if not for more than you
> bought it for minus of course regular matience and insurance. Any onfo
> would be helpful
> -Donald Kazmark
> 

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saintern wrote:
> [SNIP] I . . . was wondering if you can indeed alsmost drive it for
> "free", buy selling it for the same price if not for more than you
> bought it for minus of course regular matience and insurance.
I don't think you can drive any car for "free,"  although a DeLorean may be
about as close as you can get.  In today's market, even a rock solid car
with very reasonable maintenance costs (e.g. Toyota Camry) has a pretty
steep depreciation cost.
There are no guarantees with depreciation, but you can make some good
guesses.  Imagine that you buy two $15,000 used cars today, an 18 year old
DeLorean and a 3 year old Camry, then drive them both for one year. The
Camry would probably depreciate by $1,500 and require $100 in maintenance,
while the DeLorean required $1,500 in maintenance but depreciated by only
$100.
Of course this doesn't account for insurance and fuel; the Camry would come
out a bit cheaper on both (much insurance information is in the DML Back
Issues).  If you are a teenager, insuring any $15,000 car could cost you a
quite a bit.  And remember, expect the DeLorean to occasionally be out of
commission while you perform that $1,500 in maintanance.  This is a
non-dollar cost to you.
Personally, I like to consider how much the DeLorean improves my quality of
life.  A year of DeLorean driving is a lot more fun than a year of Camry
driving.  The way I see it, that fun is worth at least $5,000 a year to me.
So my DeLorean has already paid for itself!
- Mike Substelny

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Fellow DMCer's,
The new issue of the DuPont Registry Top 100 Cars of the Century lists the 
Delorean at # 63. It has a small paragraph about the car and a photo. There 
is also a second photo on page 22. While this may not sound impressive, here 
is a small list of cars that were rated lower (high #) than the Delorean. 70. 
Cord, 67.Dodge Charger, 74. Tucker, 76. Chevy Chevelle, 82. Ferrari 308, 89. 
De Tomaso Pantera, 92. Jaguar XK120, 95 Pontiaco GTO, and 96. Rolls Royce 
Corniche. With the other cars rated below the Delorean, we all should feel 
proud! Seems like the world is finally starting to see our cars as we have 
for years!!!
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569
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I have a little problem with my windshield washer fluid reservoir.  If I tr=
y to screw the cap onto the reservoir, it freespins (threads striped).  I h=
ave screwed other DeLorean caps on and they also freespin.  When I have scr=
ewed my cap onto another DeLorean, the cap screws on tight.  Therefore, the=
 threads of the reservoir are where the damage exists.  I have temporarily =
placed a gasket in-between the cap and the reservoir which has helped a lit=
tle, but it still leaks when I take turns and the fluid sloshes around.
The question is:  Is there another cap that I can maybe use that might seal=
 better that the original.  Maybe a cap that has more thread engagement or =
something.  I really dread having to replace the entire reservoir for such =
a stupid "little" problem, but when I take trips, I am tired of ringing was=
her fluid out of my clothes.
Thanks!
Sean Howley
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I know that quick silver does wonders for "Cleaning" rims.  This especially=
 works great in all of the little holes in the DeLorean wheels.  This stuff=
 appears to be fairly (of not very) caustic.....One breath of the stuff, an=
d you can feel your lungs complaining.
However, this stuff will not fix damaged wheels...it is mearly a cleaning s=
olution.
Hope this helps!
Michael Babb
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ok, are the wheels powder coated?  the reason I ask...this guy came up
to me the other day and looked at my wheels and said "Ya know, you can
make your wheels look brand new if you just used a product called
'Quick Silver' by Armoral"  My wheels have seen there better days.  The
"coating" has chipped off in places.  Now my question is...is this guy
right?  I don't think he is,, but I'd still like to know for sure
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'Quick Silver' by Armoral"  My wheels have seen there better days.  The
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I realize this is late notice but......
Car & Craft show at Ware Acadamy, Gloucester County, Virginia, Saturday
October 16, 10:00AM to 4:30PM.
Fifty categories of cars, 1st, 2nd, & 3rd place prizes.
$15 dollar registration
Directions:
Take rt17 to Gloucester, take Business Rt 17 to Gloucester Village, in
village take Rt 14 at traffic light 2 miles to Ware Academy, look for
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I heard somewhere that the "D" depreciated mostly a year or 2 after it was
made, now in the year 2000 (If you don't believe in Y2K) the DeLorean should
be worth $50,000.00
-Phil
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> Hello,
> Just wondering if you guys(and girls) could shed some light on the
> depreciation factor of the D as it gets older, and also how hard it is
> to sell one once you decide too. I ask this because I'm on the verge of
> buying one and was wondering if you can indeed alsmost drive it for
> "free", buy selling it for the same price if not for more than you
> bought it for minus of course regular matience and insurance. Any onfo
> would be helpful
> -Donald Kazmark
>
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JZD built these babies to last a lifetime. I would think that with decent
care and maintenence, the car would not go down in value whatsoever, and in
fact should increase in value as time goes by. After all, they're one of the
more unique cars in the world and they were low production.



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Is it possible for the stainless to get damaged by someone 
keying or knifing?  Just how much damage would it cause?
Thanks,
Robert 
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I was at school; the othrer day when I saw a "heavy-duty, all-purpose"
cleaner called Versatle.  It appears to be an industrial or commercial
cleaner,
but one of the many things it cleans is stainless steel.  I was just
curious if
it may be possible if ine could use it to polish the stainless on a
DeLorean?
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i i went out to my delorean for a short trip to the store, i learned
that my battery was dead.  since i have had the car, this has not
happened.  i quickly jumped off the car and was on m way.  for saftey
sake, i parked on a hill, in case there was a need to jump start the
car.  well the trip to the store was find, so the altnator must be
fine.  i was right though, i had to jump start the car .  the trip home
was agian fine.  i even cut the car off and then re started it.  i
think that i may have accidently turned on the defroster button the
other day.  is this what could have caused the drain on the battery? 
also the battery is agian dead today.  is this because i didn't put a
charger on the battery ?  i thought that the trip to the store would
have allowed the altinator to have charged it enough.  also does the
right side passanger door need the post extentions that shut off the
aviator lights on the doors?  or maby is it that i just need a new
battery ? any help would be great.
p.s. - does anyone know where to purchase the ultima battery.
thanks
officer rick

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At 04:39 PM 10/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I heard somewhere that the "D" depreciated mostly a year or 2 after it was
>made, now in the year 2000 (If you don't believe in Y2K) the DeLorean should
>be worth $50,000.00
>-Phil
>philf(AT)ssesco.com
>
reply:
Phill,

There is another way to look at the value of your "D".
Take the total number of D's produced and put to the road and divide that
number in the total cost of producing it....that is all the money from
every source.
I think you will find that getting one these days at $15K +/- is a great
bargain, not to mention that in the next few years the price will steadily
climb.
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Here is a trick that should work on this. Wipe off any fluid that may
have spilled on the threads and any inside the cap, then put a bead of
silicone sealant inside the cap. Screw it down to just where it starts
to free spin, then leave it over night before driving the car. This
should stop the leak. Since silicone sealant will release easily when
you unscrew the cap, you can just pull out the old sealant and re-do it
it each time you fill the washer fluid. Since that is probably only
every 2 or three months, it shouldn't be that much of a hassle since it
only takes an extra 4 or 5 minutes each time. It will require a little
planning so that you can leave the car sit at least overnight to allow
the sealant to cure.
Just a thought.
Mark N
VIN 6820
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> I have a little problem with my windshield washer fluid reservoir. 
If I try to screw the cap onto the reservoir, it freespins (threads
striped <snip>
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sean Howley
> VIN#2345
> 

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I have been using a variety of caustic wheel cleaners for a few years
now, along with many brushes, and hours of kneeling next to the car and
scrubbing.  I dont know if it has to do with my brake pads in
particular, but I find the wheels very hard to keep clean.
I have found that the stronger stuff has started to peel the paint off
the two "original" rims.  My other 2 rims were repainted 4 years ago,
and they look OK.  The chemicals have also removed the "DMC" from the
center plastic cap on all 4.  I dont think this would be too hard to fix
with a small brush and some paint.
Just a warning.  If I had to do it again, I would.. I hate dirty wheels.
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Does anybody know how to make my ignition spring back when I turn the
key?  Is there a kit I can get from Houston that willhelp, or do I need
a whole new ignition.  
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This sunday there will be a car show in Chatsworth, n.j.
it is exit 67 off of the gsp. We will have at least 6
deloreans. If you need further info call 201-573-8229
evenings
DAVID TEITELBAUM
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As Knut mentioned, a copy of the current Concours Judging Handbook and
Judging Sheets is available at the De Lorean Motor Company website:
http://www.usadmc.com/handbook.pdf
James Espey
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From: Mike Substelny <msubstel(AT)lorainccc.edu>
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Robert Greenhaw wrote:
> Is it possible for the stainless to get damaged by someone
> keying or knifing?  Just how much damage would it cause?
Keys are made of various soft metals.  These metals are much harder than the
paint on ordinary cars but softer than the stainless on a DeLorean.  You
could rub out a light scratch with a Scotchbright pad.  A determined vandal
*might* scrape a key against your DeLorean hard enough to make a serious
scratch.  But if he did so, take consolation in the thought that his key was
probably ruined by your much harder stainless.  That vandal is walking home!
The DeLorean's 304 stainless is "kitchen grade," the same as a typical knife
blade.  This could probably put a nasty sctrach in a DeLorean and damage the
knife blade at the same time.
Stainless is also relatively impervious to the ordinary spray paint a vandal
might use, since it is much easier to clean than a painted car.
If someone *really* wanted to vandalize a DeLorean, they should use a
hammer.  Big dents and broken glass are bad news for DeLoreans, even worse
than they are for most ordinary cars.
(I sure hope I don't have any enemies lurking out there . . .)
- Mike Substelny

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Marc A Levy wrote:
> I have been using a variety of caustic wheel cleaners for a few years
> now, along with many brushes, and hours of kneeling next to the car and
> scrubbing.  I dont know if it has to do with my brake pads in
> particular, but I find the wheels very hard to keep clean.
Do you have the earlier, dark wheels?  I do, and I have a difficult time
keeping mine clean, too.  In my experience, a pressure washer works better
than chemicals.
> I have found that the stronger stuff has started to peel the paint off
> the two "original" rims.
I *might* have an explanation.  I think someone warned me just before I did
the same thing.  The warning label on those stronger chemicals should say
"do not apply when wheels are hot!"  I almost did not notice it, but a
friend pointed it out.
Apparently your car must sit undriven for up to an hour for the wheels to
cool before you apply the harsher chemicals.  If the wheels are hot the
chemicals are more corrosive, and they WILL strip paint!
- Mike Substelny

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 Did anybody know the original sales price, publishing year, and printed copies
of "stainless steel illusion"?
--
Gruss
Michael Reinemuth
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http://www.delorean.de - DeLorean Site Deutschland
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Hello list,
    I am looking into a DeLorean project car to work on this winter.  All the 
windows are cracked or broken out.  Is the glass expensive?  the car itself 
is in decent shape and has low mileage except the right door will probably 
need to be replaced.  A U-haul truck backed into it and pushed it up out of 
place.  A brand new door is to much for me, does anyone out there have a 
parts car they would sell me one off?  please email me directly if you do.  I 
really need the door!  the interior looks pretty ratty too,  is a complete 
upholstery kit available?  if so, how much do you think I shoud expect to pay 
for one. 
    Thanks
Phelps
"not yet"

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My book still has the invoice from Classic Motorbooks, dated 5/11/84, price
was $17.95 plus $2.95 shipping. Ah, for the good old days. Wish I'd bought a
dozen copies :^)
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> Did anybody know the original sales price, publishing year, and printed
copies
>of "stainless steel illusion"?
>
>--
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>
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I got my copy in 1987, if I remember correctly, from Classic Motorbooks.
Price was $24.95,
as for how many copies were printed, I have no idea. Best $24.95 I ever
spent.
Brian McCool
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> Did anybody know the original sales price, publishing year, and printed
copies
> of "stainless steel illusion"?
>
> --
> Gruss
>
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Just a quick heads up for 81DMC edition owners:

There is a brief update dealing with 1/24th scale torsion bars on the
DMC Bulletin Board.
	http://www.totalimmersion.com/dmcboard/index.html
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A few years back I investigated the prospect of re-printing the book - I
worked in the printing industry at the time - and located the original
films used to create the plates that printed the book. The original year of
publication was 1983, and it sold for $17.95. I was told by the original
publishers that they printed 10,000 copies.
I estimated it would take about $20,000 to reprint 1,300 books (1,000
softcover and 300 hardcover) using the original films. I had commitments
for a little more than half that amount from various DML'ers before
interest died out.
James
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>copies
>of "stainless steel illusion"?
>
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The only "keying" I have had happen to my  DeLorean is people running there=
 fingers across the stainless when the car is dirty.  I came out one night =
to find a nice smiley face on the hood of my car (didn't take too much work=
 to get this out) and on another occasion, I had KISS (I would guess the gr=
oup) written on the tops of the doors on both sides  (the car was at that t=
ime living on a very dusty car port).  I can still see these scratches when=
 I clean and polish the car (but haven't yet tried to buff them out).
Michael Babb
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Robert Greenhaw wrote:
> Is it possible for the stainless to get damaged by someone
> keying or knifing?  Just how much damage would it cause?
Keys are made of various soft metals.  These metals are much harder than th=
e
paint on ordinary cars but softer than the stainless on a DeLorean.  You
could rub out a light scratch with a Scotchbright pad.  A determined vandal
*might* scrape a key against your DeLorean hard enough to make a serious
scratch.  But if he did so, take consolation in the thought that his key wa=
s
probably ruined by your much harder stainless.  That vandal is walking home=
!
The DeLorean's 304 stainless is "kitchen grade," the same as a typical knif=
e
blade.  This could probably put a nasty sctrach in a DeLorean and damage th=
e
knife blade at the same time.
Stainless is also relatively impervious to the ordinary spray paint a vanda=
l
might use, since it is much easier to clean than a painted car.
If someone *really* wanted to vandalize a DeLorean, they should use a
hammer.  Big dents and broken glass are bad news for DeLoreans, even worse
than they are for most ordinary cars.
(I sure hope I don't have any enemies lurking out there . . .)
- Mike Substelny
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      <TD><PRE>Robert Greenhaw wrote:
&gt; Is it possible for the stainless to get damaged by someone
&gt; keying or knifing?  Just how much damage would it cause?
Keys are made of various soft metals.  These metals are much harder than th=
e
paint on ordinary cars but softer than the stainless on a DeLorean.  You
could rub out a light scratch with a Scotchbright pad.  A determined vandal
*might* scrape a key against your DeLorean hard enough to make a serious
scratch.  But if he did so, take consolation in the thought that his key wa=
s
probably ruined by your much harder stainless.  That vandal is walking home=
!
The DeLorean's 304 stainless is "kitchen grade," the same as a typical knif=
e
blade.  This could probably put a nasty sctrach in a DeLorean and damage th=
e
knife blade at the same time.
Stainless is also relatively impervious to the ordinary spray paint a vanda=
l
might use, since it is much easier to clean than a painted car.
If someone *really* wanted to vandalize a DeLorean, they should use a
hammer.  Big dents and broken glass are bad news for DeLoreans, even worse
than they are for most ordinary cars.
(I sure hope I don't have any enemies lurking out there . . .)
- Mike Substelny
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Does anyone know anything about DeLoreans that were originally shipped to
the Middle East from the factory in early 1982?
I have some documentation that lists a quantity of spare parts that were
shipped to:
Abdulaziz Ali Mutawa
P.O. Box 164
Kuwait
This was in March of 1982. I have beentold that these parts were still
around as late as the Gulf War, at which time they were bombed and
destroyed.
I also have a factory service bulletin from eaarly 1982 that says it covers
"all areas except middle east".
As I am keenly interested in the production chronology and VINs in general,
I 'd be interested in knowing more about these cars/parts.
James


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The stainless steel is impervious to damage from virtually all cleaning
products. You could even use gasoline on the stainless without any harm. If
the product states that it is recommended for stainless it should work
fine.
 
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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> From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude(AT)juno.com>
> 
> I was at school; the othrer day when I saw a "heavy-duty, all-purpose"
> cleaner called Versatle.  It appears to be an industrial or commercial
> cleaner,
> but one of the many things it cleans is stainless steel.  I was just
> curious if
> it may be possible if ine could use it to polish the stainless on a
> DeLorean?
> 
> Later,
> Robert

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Either something is draining your battery or you have a bad battery. The
most common cause of battery drain is a problem in the courtesy light
circuit. Here is a simple test: remove fuse # 12 and see if the problem
goes away.
PS: The defroster circuit only works with the ignition turned on.
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> From: rickaye(AT)webtv.net
> 
> i i went out to my delorean for a short trip to the store, i learned
> that my battery was dead.  since i have had the car, this has not
> happened.  i quickly jumped off the car and was on m way.  for saftey
> sake, i parked on a hill, in case there was a need to jump start the
> car.  well the trip to the store was find, so the altnator must be
> fine.  i was right though, i had to jump start the car .  the trip home
> was agian fine.  i even cut the car off and then re started it.  i
> think that i may have accidently turned on the defroster button the
> other day.  is this what could have caused the drain on the battery? 
> also the battery is agian dead today.  is this because i didn't put a
> charger on the battery ?  i thought that the trip to the store would
> have allowed the altinator to have charged it enough.  also does the
> right side passanger door need the post extentions that shut off the
> aviator lights on the doors?  or maby is it that i just need a new
> battery ? any help would be great.
> 
> p.s. - does anyone know where to purchase the ultima battery.
> 
> thanks
> officer rick

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Totaled 1981 D in a salvage yard in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
I haven't seen it but I talked to them. It's been rolled but almost
everything is there. Has sold the Alt. and 2 wheel caps.  Wants $1500 for
the whole car.
Is an 81 5-speed with gray interior. Sounds pretty beat up, the drivers door
is inside the car, broken wind shield, bent panels etc. Good title.  It's
at:
Best Foreign Used Parts,  phone 719-633-5658.  Colorado Springs is about 70
miles south of Denver.
I did ask what he wants for the wheels and it's $75 each.
I'll add the Vin to the registry as being totaled (for now).
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I have my copy in front of me but to my surprise there is no date of
publication. I believe it was published in 86 or 87, the price was $17.95.
As you probably know, hard cover originals are now worth between $250 and
$300. 
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> From: Michael Reinemuth <micha(AT)delorean.de>
> 
>  Did anybody know the original sales price, publishing year, and printed
copies
> of "stainless steel illusion"?
> 
> --
> Gruss
> 
> Michael Reinemuth

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I can't really give you firm answers to these questions, but I would
HIGHLY recommend that you search for these products at the
http://www.usadmc.com/ online store.  Their parts ordering catalog has
prices for all of the relevant glass portions, and as I recall, they
were quite reasonable.  They will also have prices for complete
replacements for many of the interior components.
You may also find the parts manual that is available from the
http://www.dmcnews.com/ site valuable for figuring out exactly which
parts you will need.
'Hope that helps,
Jess
http://www.biddin.com/delorean/
VIN#5220
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> 
> Hello list,
>     I am looking into a DeLorean project car to work on this winter.  All the
> windows are cracked or broken out.  Is the glass expensive?  the car itself
> is in decent shape and has low mileage except the right door will probably
> need to be replaced.  A U-haul truck backed into it and pushed it up out of
> place.  A brand new door is to much for me, does anyone out there have a
> parts car they would sell me one off?  please email me directly if you do.  I
> really need the door!  the interior looks pretty ratty too,  is a complete
> upholstery kit available?  if so, how much do you think I shoud expect to pay
> for one.
> 
>     Thanks
> 
> Phelps
> "not yet"
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I've heard of this luggage rack but have never seen pictures of one on
the Delorean.  Does anybody have one on their D right now that could
put the picture in the vault?  I'm really interested to see what it
looks like....and where it goes.  thanks
Erik Geerdink
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> Is it possible for the stainless to get damaged by someone
> keying or knifing?  Just how much damage would it cause?
This has occurred to my Delorean, all the down the driver's side. I was ups=
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there's a picture in the back of the DeLorean one catalog, and it seems as if 
I've seen one on one of these websites.  Just look around for one that has 
shots from the original dealers brochure, I believe it's in there.
Scott
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This is the same show I posted to the list the other day.  It is our Fall 
Social for DeLorean Mid Atlantic.  The correct date is Oct. 17th.  For all 
the information again, got to the URL listed below
http://www.cranfest.org/html/festival.shtml
Gary Gore 
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
In a message dated 10/15/99 12:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jtrealty(AT)webspan.net writes:
<< This sunday there will be a car show in Chatsworth, n.j.
 it is exit 67 off of the gsp. We will have at least 6
 deloreans. If you need further info call 201-573-8229
 evenings
 
 
 DAVID TEITELBAUM
 VIN 10757
 
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> Michael Reinemuth wrote:
> 
>  Did anybody know the original sales price, publishing year, and printed copies
> of "stainless steel illusion"?
I assume you are referring to the hardback 1st edition by John Lamm, then senior
editor of "Road & Track", with commentary by Mike Knepper, former DMC executive.
The book is titled "De Lorean" and subtitled "Stainless Steel Illusion".  (Note the
space between "De" and "Lorean".  That is correct.  Throughout the book that is how
the name of the man and the car is printed.)  
It was published by The Newport Press of Santa Ana, CA in 1983, printed in
Singapore, and distributed by Motorbooks International of Osceola, Wisconsin.
The book was published while De Lorean was waiting trial for the cocaine deal
and before he was acquitted.
According to Lamm, the book originally "....was to be the story of a dream car 
come true, an adventure in advanced engineering and skillful marketing, an
inspiration for those who believe they have a better idea....."
Newport Press ISBN:  0-930880-09-9
Library of Congress card number:  83-60220
If you really want to know how many copies were printed I'm sure either The Newport
Press or Motorbooks International would be happy to look up that figure for you.
Give 'em a call!
 
If you are interested, Barnes and Nobel's online network of out-of-print dealers
lists one for sale at $325.
Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
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In a message dated 10/16/99 9:09:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DMCJOE(AT)att.net 
writes:
<< As you probably know, hard cover originals are now worth between $250 and
 $300.  >>
There is one book on EBAY as of 10/16/99 at $120.00,ends on 10/19/99.
Claude
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No, I believe that was either a typo or maybe they got their facts wrong. Am 
I right or wrong by saying DeLoreans were in production from 1981-1983? I 
thought that's when they were in production.
John Feldman
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I am trying to come up with some correlation between chassis number and
VIN
in order to have some extra ammunition when I try to exchange my theft
title
and bill of sale from the insurance company for a 'rebuilt' title.
I need to show that there is a strong correlation (hopefull 1:1)
between VIN and Chassis number on the 1981 cars. Ga DMV is a PITA!
So for all who have 81 cars and do not mind taking a peek underneath
on the drivers side rear chassis/frame (hopefully your frame is not
so rusty that the plate is gone.
Looking down from the sky
            front of car
             -----------       
              ||     ||
              ||     ||
              ||     ||
              ||     ||
              ||X    ||   X = driver, LHD
              ||     ||
              ||     ||
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              ||  T  ||
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Looking from read of car toward front
   Top
  ----
     |
     |  < will be here approx a foot 
     |    from the end of the CHassis/frame
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   Bottom
   ground
Numbers are big. Almost an inch tall on mine.
There are 6 of them. If they are the same as the
numbers on the tail end of your VIN, please let me know.
If not, please let me know along with the numbers here
and your corresponding  VIN.
Thanks.
-bob

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etty hard to damage, the same does not go for trim, tires, etc.  If you use=
 a caustic substance to clean the car, It could do damage to painted areas =
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The stainless steel is impervious to damage from virtually all cleaning
products. You could even use gasoline on the stainless without any harm. If
the product states that it is recommended for stainless it should work
fine.
 =
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> =
> I was at school; the othrer day when I saw a "heavy-duty, all-purpose"
> cleaner called Versatle.  It appears to be an industrial or commercial
> cleaner,
> but one of the many things it cleans is stainless steel.  I was just
> curious if
> it may be possible if ine could use it to polish the stainless on a
> DeLorean?
> =
> Later,
> Robert
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At the rate that this book is increasing in value, it's going price should
exceed that of our cars someday soon! (hehe)
                Josh
                VIN 5102
CBL302(AT)aol.com wrote:
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> 
> No, I believe that was either a typo or maybe they got their facts wrong. Am
> I right or wrong by saying DeLoreans were in production from 1981-1983? 
Yes and no.  Standard production at the factory started in December of 1980 and
ended in October of 1982 (or was that July?).  This does not include the unknown
exact number that were assembled after the factory closed, assembled by supervision
and management, and were designated 1983's.  The British government mandated that all
1982's be sold before DMCL could start building 1983 models.  That never happened. 
In reality almost all 1983's are nothing more than left over late model 82's.  A few 
of the very latest 83's were 82 models that were actually retrofitted with planned 
changes for the 1983 models that were never built.  The last DeLorean was assembled 
at the DMCL in Dunmurry on December 24th, 1982.  A true, honest-to-god 1983 production
line never operated so there were no 1983 regular production models ever built, only
82's that were designated 83's.
So now that we know there were no actual 1980 or 1983 production models, this could
get interesting.  The DeLorean I saw on Chris' site was clearly a right-hand-drive
setup.  It had the toll booth windows rather than the slide-bys which indicates that
it is not likely a prototype.  So, I assume this was a British version.  Now then,
1981 DeLoreans began production in December of 1980.  Perhaps Great Britain has a 
regulation that says an automobile must be titled in the year it was built.
Actually, as I understand it, all early right-hand versions were converted in 
after-market shops.
So, could it be that a converted early 1981 DeLorean that was built and sold in Great
Britain in December of 1980, was actually titled as a 1980?
BTW, has anyone bothered to ask Chris?
Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
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On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 BondAtomic(AT)aol.com wrote:
> No, I believe that was either a typo or maybe they got their facts
> wrong. Am I right or wrong by saying DeLoreans were in production from
> 1981-1983? I thought that's when they were in production.
Those are the model years, however the cars were actually only produced
during 1981 and 1982.  There was a pause in production during 1982; those
produced before the pause are 1982 models and those produced after are
1983 models (most, if not all of which were sold while the company was in
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Check out  "http://win.autotrader.com/aol.cfm?AD=AOL_STATIC"  They are having 
a contest called "Wheels and Reels" to match different auto's with different 
movies.  The grand prize for winning the contest is a 1981 Delorean. Neat !!!
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	"DMC Quality Assured" label on driver side fixed glass acceptable on 
	DDXXXXX VINs only.
...but, I have an 82(CD)build with that sticker in place (and at a
horrible angle too), see 
http://labwww.csv.cmich.edu/luke/auto/delorean/garage/17.jpg
So, why would earlier builds be excluded?
Just curious,
Luke

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In a message dated 10/16/99 6:45:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
RappaRivaRat(AT)erols.com writes:
<< Actually, as I understand it, all early right-hand versions were converted 
in 
 after-market shops. >>
No,that is not true,if you look in the black cover, Delorean Dealer brochure 
you will see a picture of a early right hand black body riding on a tellis 
carrier.
Claude
Vin000570
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At 04:31 PM 10/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At the rate that this book is increasing in value, it's going price should
>exceed that of our cars someday soon! (hehe)
>                Josh
>                VIN 5102
>
>
reply:
Hi Josh5102,
Well not for a while, although I have heard that some copies have sold for
$1856.43 with the DeLorean thrown in as a premium!
Lee
Wink!
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Hey, all. I'm a non-owner (hopefully a future owner!! hehehe), but I'm doing 
a English essay on the Delorean and I need some info. I've got the basic 
specs for the car, but basically I need to know how far off the ground the 
car is. From ground to the top of the roof. If anyone happens to know, I'd 
appreciate it if you'd pass the info on to me. Thanks!!!
Nick
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:12:44 -0500
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The DMC-News "store" is temporarily back open! There are official DMC-News
T-shirts that I had made just before the DOA convention, and several other
items left from James' prior stock. Also featured are DeLorean Holiday
Greeting Cards, and the DeLorean poster. The T-shirts look very nice, my old
Apple digital camera does not do it justice.
Some of the items are exclusive to the DML. Some are in very limited (read
"one") quantity.  This will be for a limited time only, I intend to cease
this effort and close the store back up by the end of the year. Orders will
be taken and items reserved in the order I get your emails. Instructions are
on the web site.
Any profits (so far there aren't any) from this go back into the DMC-News
effort, paying to keep eGroups commercial-free, for the printing of the
owner's directory and paying for the web-server.
Please check it out at http://www.dmcnews.com/Merchandise/supporttemp.html
Dave



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