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----------------------------------------------------------------- 3906. DMC Joe Re: Brake Shims Question? 3907. DMC Joe Re: mystery connectors in engine compartment 3908. DMC Joe Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site 3909. DMC Joe Re: Parts Origin 3910. DMC Joe SIGINING OFF ! 3911. Lynn Metz Re: Concour Manual 3912. Stian Birkeland Re: DMC Quality Assured? 3913. Stian Birkeland Quality Assurance? 3914. Stian Birkeland Re: Parts Origin 3915. Stian Birkeland VIN 6755 - 6765 3916. mdeluca@comtechpst.com Re: Concour Manual 3917. William T Wilson Re: Quality Assurance? 3918. James Espey Re: Concour Manual (and more) 3919. Montgomery, Ken Re: Concour Manual 3920. saintern I'M NOW AN OWNER 3921. yugoman Quality Stickers 3922. NJP548@aol.com Re: Concour Manual 3923. James Espey The first DeLorean sold... 3924. David Sontos Re: Air/Fuel mixture adjustment 3925. Joe Palatinus Number correlation put to rest 3926. DeLorean31@aol.com Re: Concour Manual (and more) 3927. james@usadmc.com Re: Number correlation put to rest 3928. Danrc30 Re: I'M NOW AN OWNER 3929. R. Haslewood Re: Concour Manual 3930. CBL302@aol.com Re: Quality Assurance? 3931. CBL302@aol.com Re: The first DeLorean sold... 3932. Thomas Smithson Associates Fw: Goodyear NCT Tires For Sale 3933. Gus Schlachter Re: Concour Manual (and more) 3934. Robert Brandys Re: Dyno Testing DeLoreans 3935. James Espey Re: The first DeLorean sold... 3936. DeLorean31@aol.com Re: The first DeLorean sold... 3937. fred50fred@email.msn.com 50 Models 3938. James Espey Re: The first DeLorean sold... 3939. Christopher Hawes The ORIGINAL Twin-Turbo 3940. BondAtomic@aol.com All you AOL members... 3941. Peter Lucas Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3942. NJP548@aol.com Posted DeLorean for sale on DMCNews Website 3943. UNCLEUMP@aol.com Massive Condensation...Opinions, please!! 3944. raddad@cmn.net Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3945. Dan B Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3946. Doc Keys and Limited Addition Kits 3947. CatfishEd@aol.com Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3948. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Concour Manual (and more) 3949. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3950. Marc A Levy Re: Concour Manual (and more) 3951. Marc A Levy Renault EF-1 3952. mnoeltne@ezl.com Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3953. Mike Substelny Re: Concour Manual (and more) 3954. delorean502@excite.com 50 delorean models 3955. delorean502@excite.com extra pedal? 3956. Sean Spurlock Re: Renault EF-1 3957. James Espey Re: The ORIGINAL Twin-Turbo 3958. John Hanley Renault EF-1 3959. Tris Harvey-Rice UK DeLorean Appearance 3960. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook 3961. Sliprock Re: Judging DeLoreans 3962. jan@vdwouw.demon.nl HTML and Quotes 3963. My83DMC@aol.com DeLorean Headquarters is still alive!! 3964. CBL302@aol.com Re: Massive Condensation...Opinions, please!! 3965. DMC83in99@aol.com Some more questions 3966. ronaldcas@aol.com Re: Keys and Limited Addition Kits con't!!! 3967. Sean Spurlock transmission problems! 3968. William T Wilson Re: transmission problems! 3969. Dale Schaub Re: Massive Condensation...Opinions, please!! -----------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:13:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Brake Shims Question? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Jim, Without going into a long technical explanation here is a simple example. Chalk across the blackboard and rubbing your finger on a lightly moistened drinking glass will create a high pitched squealing. The anti-squeal shims break the mechanical connection between the rotor, pad, and caliper piston thereby reducing or eliminating the high pitch squealing.
If you would like detailed information on this subject from my technical library contact me directly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Jim <starbuck@gate.net> > > How do brake shims help your brakes from not squeeking? I don't > quite get how that works? > > Thanks > Jim
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:21:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: mystery connectors in engine compartment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
There are several wires that connect to the diagnostic socket for service and alignment operations. None of these wires effect engine or electrical operation.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Peter Lucas <lucas@maya.com> > > In the forward part of my engine compartment (just below the cheesy > latch that keeps the engine cover up), there are two mating > 2-conductor electrical connectors with red and black wires that > emerge from the wiring harness. Although they fit together nicely, > they were not plugged together when I acquired the car. Indeed, > someone carefully tie-wrapped them to the harness so that they could > not accidentally get connected. What are they? Should they be > connected? Nothing seems to be malfunctioning. Plugging them together > does nothing obvious. > > --Pete Lucas > VIN 6703 > --pete
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 00:02:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLoreans on Chris' car site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
They were refereed to as black cars because the black fiberglass bodies were not fitted with stainless panels.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Mike03062@aol.com > > Why were the first 500 "D"'s called "Black" cars??????
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:38:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Parts Origin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Parts for the DeLorean were supplied from many countries, somewhere in our library we have a breakdown of all the major parts and their origin. Contact us directly if you need this information. Be aware that we will be on the road until the 28th, so we will not be able to respond until after that date.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: eurojet@sdcoe.k12.ca.us > > My car and I (#6232) recently celebrated our first year together (a > marriage made in car heaven)and it's taken me this long to get to know > "her" a little, VERY little. I was just wondering how many countries > contributed parts to the DeLorean. Like the engine, is it French or > Swedish? My NCT tires are German but how 'bout the leather on the > seats, Corinthian leather or English? Please let me know what parts > came from which country. I'm just curious and perhaps someone else on > the list is as well. John Z. DeLorean is an American but how about the > car? Is it truly British? Thanks in advance. Fil Vigil, San Diego.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:11:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] SIGINING OFF ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
To All, We will be departing for Cleveland today via the Amtrak Crescent and Capitol Limited therefore I am signing off the list until Oct 28th. If you will be attending the Cleveland event and tech session this weekend you can reach us at Deluxe Auto Lease at 216 831-9455. This is also the number to call if you wish to attend and need directions, ask for Jeff or David. As of this writing we will be lodged at the Cleveland Comfort Inn 216 328-7777.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:40:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have an '83 and my DMC Quality Assurance sticker is crooked and has a wrinkle in it. Kind of ironic that the Quality Assurance sticker was placed on with such indifference.
Brian 16584
> > "DMC Quality Assured" label on driver side fixed glass acceptable on > > DDXXXXX VINs only. > > > >...but, I have an 82(CD)build with that sticker in place (and at a > >horrible angle too), see > > > >http://labwww.csv.cmich.edu/luke/auto/delorean/garage/17.jpg > > > >So, why would earlier builds be excluded? > >It comes down to documentation. What can be documented as original and what >can't be. I have a copy of a DMC memorandum that says these labels were put >on the 83's, primarily to differentiate them from the 82's at a glance. >Unfortunately, you don't mention what your VIN is, but this wouldn't be the >first time that the "documentation" contradicted what was seen, or >contradicted other documents. > >James Espey >DeLorean Motor Company >Houston, Texas
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:11:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DMC Quality Assured? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello, How can you explain why the "DMC Quality Assured" sticker is on some 81s and most all 82s?
I think the answer is in the stockpiling of DMC sportscars at the Quality Assurance Centers. If a memorandum was issued in 82 telling to put a sticker on the inspected 82 cars, I can understand how some of the 81s got that sticker too! I suspect that the 81 DeLoreans which got this sticker were stockpiled among the 82s because of bad sales.
On a related subject - I've seen some DeLoreans which have a small black metal plate of the size of a thumb inside of the driver's door right in the front of the door.
It can be somewhat tricky to find but it's there on many late 81s. On the black little plate there is a red round sticker saying "Quality Assured". The plate is actually "shot" into the interior door panel and fastens on the top and botton.
Does anyone have this other "Quality Assurance" marking?
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
>From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> >Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com >To: dmcnews@egroups.com >Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual >Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:25:43 -0500 > > > "DMC Quality Assured" label on driver side fixed glass acceptable on > > DDXXXXX VINs only. > > > >...but, I have an 82(CD)build with that sticker in place (and at a > >horrible angle too), see > > > >http://labwww.csv.cmich.edu/luke/auto/delorean/garage/17.jpg > > > >So, why would earlier builds be excluded? > >It comes down to documentation. What can be documented as original and what >can't be. I have a copy of a DMC memorandum that says these labels were put >on the 83's, primarily to differentiate them from the 82's at a glance. >Unfortunately, you don't mention what your VIN is, but this wouldn't be the >first time that the "documentation" contradicted what was seen, or >contradicted other documents. > >James Espey >DeLorean Motor Company >Houston, Texas > >281/568-9573 >800/USA-DMC1 >http://www.usadmc.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:14:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Quality Assurance? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Why was it necessary to set up Quality Assurance Centers in the States?
AFAIK, DeLorean Motor Cars Ltd. had supervisors, foremen and Quality Control Inspectors. I believe they did a fine job, but maybe the increased production rate in Nov. 81 made it necessary to double-check?
Anyone?
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
>From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> >Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com >To: dmcnews@egroups.com >Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual >Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:25:43 -0500 > > > "DMC Quality Assured" label on driver side fixed glass acceptable on > > DDXXXXX VINs only. > > > >...but, I have an 82(CD)build with that sticker in place (and at a > >horrible angle too), see > > > >http://labwww.csv.cmich.edu/luke/auto/delorean/garage/17.jpg > > > >So, why would earlier builds be excluded? > >It comes down to documentation. What can be documented as original and what >can't be. I have a copy of a DMC memorandum that says these labels were put >on the 83's, primarily to differentiate them from the 82's at a glance. >Unfortunately, you don't mention what your VIN is, but this wouldn't be the >first time that the "documentation" contradicted what was seen, or >contradicted other documents. > >James Espey >DeLorean Motor Company >Houston, Texas > >281/568-9573 >800/USA-DMC1 >http://www.usadmc.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:33:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Parts Origin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello Fil!
>My car and I (#6232) recently celebrated our first year together (a >marriage made in car heaven)and it's taken me this long to get to >know >"her" a little, VERY little.
>I was just wondering how many countries >contributed parts to the DeLorean. Like the engine, is it French or >Swedish? Both! The PRV engine was manufactured in France (Douvrin) and the factory is a consortium of PEUGEOT - RENAULT - VOLVO hence the PRV abbreviation.
My NCT tires are German but how 'bout the leather on the >seats, Corinthian leather or English?
The leather seats are made by Trimtech in England, and the leather is real.
>Please let me know what parts >came from which country.
The DeLorean's fuel tank was made by DYNO INDUSTRIES in NORWAY!
I'm just curious and perhaps someone else on >the list is as well. John Z. DeLorean is an American but how about the >car? Is it truly British? Thanks in advance. Fil Vigil, San Diego.
The DeLorean is a multicultural car! A truly a UNITED NATIONS representative! It was conceived in Italy. It is of both European and American heritage. "DeLorean" certainly has a French cling to it. But DeLorean himself is an American citizen.The DeLorean's soul is most certainly Irish. The company was American, but the factory was in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and therefore part of Great Britain. Nearly all the bits and pieces in the DeLorean are from England. England gave lots of millions to build the car, and that was well-spent money. Now, had the Government given DeLorean a few more millions the company would have survived. Instead of recouping their investment, they forced DeLorean into bankruptcy and they lost a considerable amount of money. The tragedy of it all was the loss of the workforce...
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:41:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] VIN 6755 - 6765 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello, Can those who have a DeLorean with a VIN between 6755 and 6765 e-mail me privately please. The Norwegian DeLorean Owners Club are trying to get some info on these DeLoreans (Port of Entry, Dealers, Design differences etc.)
THANKS!
Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:01:19 -0700 From: mdeluca@comtechpst.com In-Reply-To: <l03130301b430f9188613@[207.221.84.234]> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
First I want to say that James did an incredible job putting the handbook together!I have a question about the gas cap (page 7 of 14-fig -26). I own vin 3113 built Sept 81. I don't have a gas flap hood but I do have the locking gas cap and it's keyed to the ignition thus it has to be the correct part. Is it safe to assume that a judge would realize this if my car were being judged or is that something that I would lose points for? What vin did they go from the flap to the non flap hood? Does any one know what vin they stopped using the locking gas caps?
Mike D. Vin 3113 NY Lic DLORIANN
james espey <jame-@usadmc.com> wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=3882
> > It comes down to documentation. What can be documented as original and what > can't be. > this wouldn't be the first time that the "documentation" contradicted what was seen, or>
> James Espey > DeLorean Motor Company > Houston, Texas > > 281/568-9573 > 800/USA-DMC1 > http://www.usadmc.com > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:12:11 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Wilson <fluffy@snurgle.org> In-Reply-To: <19991019121438.87534.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Quality Assurance? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Stian Birkeland wrote:
> Why was it necessary to set up Quality Assurance Centers in the States?
To put the cars together again. :}
All import car companies have quality assurance centers to straighten out things that may have gotten knocked loose during shipping, perform upgrades that were introduced while the cars were in transit, that sort of thing. In the case of DMC, the first cars to come out of the factory were in very rough shape. Not all the machines were broken in and many of the employees were not fully trained yet. Because of that, the QA centers rebuilt many of the early cars to arrive in the US.
Once the factory got up to speed, the QA centers assumed the more traditional QA-center role, but were still necessary for that purpose as well as distribution centers.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <7uhq2v$empb@eGroups.com> References: <l03130301b430f9188613@[207.221.84.234]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:17:47 -0500 From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual (and more) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This is one of those instances that there does happen to be some documentation for. A memo from DMCL (De Lorean Motor Company Limited, the manufacturing arm of the company in Northern Ireland) to DMC (De Lorean Motor Company, the distribution arm of the company in the US) states that 900-some cars were shipped with flap-less hoods AND locking gas caps. It is unclear exactly when they begain using non-locking flaps.
As to whether or not you would lose points for it...that depends. As the concours have never been done in the past with this much attention to detail, we were lenient in the judging, and anything questionable, we gave the benefit of the doubt to the competitor.
Someone on the list a few weeks ago described a concours car as not just being how the car rolled off the factory assembly line, but how the **perfect** car came off the the assembly line. Should a car without a gasflap have a locking gas cap? Logically, no. In the future, will this be a deduction, in spite of the memo that says some cars were built that way? Possibly, but I don;t expect it anytime soon.
There is some internal discussion here at DMC as to how we can encourage participation in the event while still encouraging people to drive and enjoy the cars. Multiple classes (concours, drivers, and modified) are one way under consideration. Obviously we make money by selling parts. If people don't drive the cars, there is no need to buy parts.
I competed in the old DOA concours in Nashville in 1996. My car at that time was nowhere near competitive in comparison to the cars that were in St. Louis. I've decided that it's not realistic for me to attempt to compete unless I am willing to not drive the car. Right now, I'd rather drive it. Should I get another one in the future, I may get back into it.
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas
281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com
At 9:01 AM -0500 10/19/99, mdeluca@comtechpst.com wrote: >First I want to say that James did an incredible job putting the >handbook together!I have a question about the gas cap (page 7 of 14-fig >-26). I own vin 3113 built Sept 81. I don't have a gas flap hood but I >do have the locking gas cap and it's keyed to the ignition thus it has >to be the correct part. Is it safe to assume that a judge would realize >this if my car were being judged or is that something that I would lose >points for? >What vin did they go from the flap to the non flap hood? Does any one >know what vin they stopped using the locking gas caps? > >Mike D. >Vin 3113 >NY Lic DLORIANN
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@csus.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:33:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> -26). I own vin 3113 built Sept 81. I don't have a gas flap hood but I > do have the locking gas cap and it's keyed to the ignition thus it has > to be the correct part. Is it safe to assume that a judge > would realize > this if my car were being judged or is that something that I > would lose points for?
Does your hood have the lines? If not, your hood was replaced, and that will cost you points. No 81 car should have a flat hood.
================================================================ Ken Montgomery Sacramento, CA VIN #10911 'OUTTIME' http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm mailto:kenm@csus.edu Northern California DeLorean Motor Club http://members.tripod.com/ncdmc/ Keeper of the DeLorean Owners Directory http://www.dmcnews.com mailto:directory@dmcnews.com ================================================================
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:25:57 -0400 From: saintern <saintern@peri.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] I'M NOW AN OWNER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Well, I'd like to offically announce that I am no longer just another teenage dreamer and am now an owner of an 81 delorean! I still can't believe I have it , and I've allready seen it's attractive powers at work. Waiting for my brother to come home today I had the car outside and when the bus drove by I saw about 20 kids with their faces practically drolling on the bus windows. Almost all of them got off at my brothers stop and ran to the car, and of course I gave each one a drive around the block. Well all is well but two quick questions......does the parking brake usually have a tendency to stick , and is it usually so hard to find reverse....I could barely find it..... -Donald Kazmark -I'm list VIN tommorow
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "yugoman" <mdrig@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:09:11 -0400 Subject: [DML] Quality Stickers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Pardon my ignorance, but the QAC stickers are a new one to me. My car is an early 81 (2423), is this something only the later models had? Does anyone have reproductions? It would look kinda neat on the car!
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: NJP548@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:33:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 10/19/99 12:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdeluca@comtechpst.com writes:
<< keyed to the ignition thus it has to be the correct part. Is it safe to assume that a judge would realize this if my car were being judged or is that something that I would lose points for? What vin did they go from the flap to the non flap hood? Does any one know what vin they stopped using the locking gas caps? >> Mike,
I believe the answer to that question is very simple. Since they stopped putting the hoods with the gas flaps on cars VIN#2700, they must have had more of a supply of Locking Gas caps, so I assume as soon as those gas caps were exhausted, they started using the non-locking gas caps. Does this make sense to anyone else? I remember hearing about that a while ago but forget where
Later, Nick VIN#1852...still for sale e-mail for info
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:42:40 -0500 From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] The first DeLorean sold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Someone asked me about the first DeLorean publicly sold, and I sifted through the warrantycards that we have on file, and the earliest "date of sale" that I found was for VIN 00910, on June 17, 1981. Interestingly enough, the car was sold from Don Darr Pontiac in St. Louis, Missouri to a gentleman in Beverly Hills, California. One can only imagine what he must've paid for the car.
The earliest VIN I have a warranty card for is 00635, which sold on August 31, 1981 from Perkins Motor Company in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
Many of the early VINs were used within the company or assigned to vendors of the company for testing and evaluation. A company memo dated 12/31/81 lists *145* DeLoreans as "Company Cars/Assigned Vehicles". A guy called this morning looking for a warranty card for his very early 81, #00686, and we had no card for it because it was a company car, actually assigned to Eugene Cafiero, the first CFO of the DMC.
Some other examples include:
1759 assigned to ABC for the TV show Dynasty 5037 assigned to Sammy Davis, Jr. 1585 assigned to Smokey Yunick 502, 528, 530 and 558 all assigned to Legend Industries
I'd be interested in knowing if anyone actually took delivery of their car earlier than 6/17/81.
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas
281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:05:02 -0400 From: David Sontos <dsontos@sybercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0.deb0ef26.253cbd1e@aol.com> <000d01bf19c7$f6966160$f2cac9cf@com.mobis.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Air/Fuel mixture adjustment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
You can set your air/fuel ratio, also known as the CO adjustment, using a standard dwell meter. Instructions are at http://www.sybercom.net/dsontos/tuneup.html
Dave Sontos VIN 02573
Duke wrote:
> I'm trying to get the air/fuel adjustment set, however, NO ONE in my area > will touch the D. (Volvo dealer, Volvo shops, ect) All the other local > shops won't touch it either. Since I can't get someone with a gas analizer > to touch my car, can someone give me some advice on getting the mixture > right (or atleast close!) Any help would be greatly apprecitated!! >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:11:38 -0400 From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <199910122155.OAA07694@cardinal.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Number correlation put to rest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I couldn't find a number tack welded on my chassis, but juding from every one elses number, I am willing to bet that the chassis number is the same as the Engine Number. For those of us who have the original window stiker of our ds the Engine number is lower than the VIN number, and If I am correct the Engine number is the number that designates where your d was on the production line. If you have Engine # 5404 then your d was the 5404th d out of the factory. Am I correct? Joe P. VIN 6808 Engine 5321
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DeLorean31@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:04:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual (and more) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 10/19/99 6:10:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james@usadmc.com writes:
<< Someone on the list a few weeks ago described a concours car as not just being how the car rolled off the factory assembly line, but how the **perfect** car came off the the assembly line. Should a car without a gasflap have a locking gas cap? Logically, no. In the future, will this be a deduction, in spite of the memo that says some cars were built that way? Possibly, but I don;t expect it anytime soon. >>
My 1981 DeLorean has a locking gas cap which matches the original keys to the car. My car does not have a gas flap however. Knowing the original owner that I bought my car from and knowing its history exactly, I know the locking gas cap on my car is original from the factory. Therefore this should certainly not be a deduction for those cars that fall into this category. There are too many items on the DeLorean that vary on cars very close in VIN number. The antenna issue is one example. The recent discussion of Quality Assurance stickers seems to be another. As it has been discussed here many times and in reference to many cars, there is no way to set an exact reference for certain items. This should be taken into account when setting a Concours Guideline. Of course as different people are in charge of DeLorean Concours events at Expos as well as Concours events at non DeLorean Expos, there are sure to be different guidelines used. I do not see how someone can be deducted points for something thier car came new with because the consensus, or the majority of cars in the area of its production date, may have a different variation. Perhaps the DeLorean Owners Association can or will collectively pursue a collaboration of the major DeLorean parts suppliers and other experts, such as people associated with the DeLoreans production, to create a universal Concours Guideline Manual for our cars. Also with references to particular VIN's and their documented differences. Many owners are original owners and can supply information to items in question, detailing the differences in the cars that shows some items cannot be held to a universal standard when it comes to judging them. I would like to see the different Concours Manuals or Guidelines that have been used and compilied over the years for the DeLorean from the sponsors of past Expos. Of course we have seen on the list many times different people strongly involved in DeLorean repair or original employees of DMC, disagree on certain items related to production. In almost all cases they are all very legitimate sources. I think it would be extremely difficult for any one entity or individual to try to set parameters. Any one who has had to do it knows how hard it is and those that have done it have done an exceptional job recently. The most recent Expo in St Louis which I attended was very good. But once again because of the short life of the DeLorean factory, its location, the Quality Assurance centers, and so on, this is an extremely difficult undertaking. Research the history of your car if possible. For those that know the history and originality of their car, do not get upset when someone disagrees with you at a car show about items on your DeLorean, trying to tell you it is incorrect for your VIN. Reading the DeLorean Mailing List posts from the many fine sources we have, and people associated with the car both past and present, we can see clearly how certain items relating to the DeLorean cannot be classified to an exact standard which can "umbrella" certain cars in a production period. I suppose if every car that left the factory or one of the quality centers in the states, was documented to a Concours Standard, we could have an exact guideline to follow. Obviously thats not something that would be feasible or necessary back then. To make a universally accepted Concours Guideline today, is something that would take the collaboration of all the resources of parts suppliers, original members of DeLorean Motor Cars, knowledgable members of different clubs, and all the other fine individuals who have made the research of the DeLoreans history, upkeep, and the continued existence of the DeLorean car their passion in life.
P.S. The DeLorean Mailing Lists greatest quality is the ability to hear different opinions or experiences about the DeLorean from many sources new and old. (My opinion of course :)
Gary Gore Activities Director DeLorean Mid Atlantic VIN 3360
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:53:05 -0700 From: james@usadmc.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991019201138.0070f9cc@earthlink.net> Subject: [DML] Re: Number correlation put to rest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
There is no correlation between frame/engine/VINs. They are all independent of each other.
The warranty cards list the VIN and the engine number of each car, but the frame number is, for all intents and purposes now, irrelevent.
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company www.usadmc.com
joe palatinus <jpalatinu-@earthlink.net> wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=3925 > I couldn't find a number tack welded on my chassis, but juding from every > one elses number, I am willing to bet that the chassis number is the same > as the Engine Number. For those of us who have the original window stiker > of our ds the Engine number is lower than the VIN number, and If I am > correct the Engine number is the number that designates where your d was on > the production line. If you have Engine # 5404 then your d was the 5404th > d out of the factory. Am I correct? > Joe P. > VIN 6808 > Engine 5321
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30@hotmail.com> References: <380CD3D5.63118D15@peri.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:56:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: I'M NOW AN OWNER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
First of all, congrats on your new D. Secondly, the parking brake should not stick. It probably needs to be lubed or needs the cables to be replaced. Reverse is not hard to find. You just have to pull up on the stick shift (If you have a 5 speed) and go all the way over to the left and back while pulling up on the stick. BE CAREFUL! Don't force it. GOOD LUCK!!! ---Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: saintern <saintern@peri.com> To: <dmcnews@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: [DML] I'M NOW AN OWNER
> Well, I'd like to offically announce that I am no longer just another > teenage dreamer and am now an owner of an 81 delorean! I still can't > believe I have it , and I've allready seen it's attractive powers at > work. Waiting for my brother to come home today I had the car outside > and when the bus drove by I saw about 20 kids with their faces > practically drolling on the bus windows. Almost all of them got off at > my brothers stop and ran to the car, and of course I gave each one a > drive around the block. Well all is well but two quick > questions......does the parking brake usually have a tendency to stick > , and is it usually so hard to find reverse....I could barely find > it..... > -Donald Kazmark > -I'm list VIN tommorow > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@dmcnews.com > > > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:42:09 +1000 From: "R. Haslewood" <delorean@zip.com.au> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>I bought my late '81 ( Nov '81 ) new with the Quality Assured sticker on the >window. I discover several things about my car that told me my car had gone >through the East Coast Quality Assurance Center. I don't think the sticker >was unique to the "83 model. >
We have a RHD '82 model (build date - Dec/81) with the Quality Assured on the passenger-side window. Dad purchased the car in December last year, but the car had been in a museum since circa 1989, so that's probably why no-one had removed the sticker.
Our car also had a series of green and red stick-on dots on the top of the windshield on the passanger side, but I'm not sure if they were from quality control, or the assembly line, or what. One of the dots had some sort of initial or scrawl written on it in pen, also. These dots have since come off after numerous washings of the car since we bought it, but I think I've still got them in the glove box, but I'm not sure.
Rick Haslewood Sydney, Australia www.zip.com.au/~delorean/ delorean@zip.com.au UIN: 4316376 VIN: 10599
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:15:29 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Quality Assurance? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 10/19/1999 11:56:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmc_norway@hotmail.com writes:
<< Why was it necessary to set up Quality Assurance Centers in the States? >> Because the cars were being shipped with very poor workmanship,the main purpose of QC,was to get all the bad workmanship out of the cars before they were delivered to the dealers,hence the QC stickers on the early cars they were basically cars that had to be "rebuilt" at the QC centers.
Claude vin#000570(I wonder how bad my early vin car was)
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:30:51 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: The first DeLorean sold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 10/19/1999 9:10:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james@usadmc.com writes:
<< 502, 528, 530 and 558 all assigned to Legend Industries >> What or where are vins #528,530, and 558 ?
Claude vin#000570
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus@austin.rr.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:06:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0.f1945a95.253e5306@aol.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual (and more) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
You know, this thread reminds me that I really hate concours competitions. Nothing says "waste" to me more than showing off a car that is clearly never driven!
Not that I mind people competing for the cleanest, most original car, but as most of you know, the term "original" is relative. Particularly so for Delorean owners. If you replace a fuse, is it original? If you have something repaired under warranty or due to recall, is it no longer "as shipped from factory"? Original tires from 20 years ago? Is that even safe?!?? You know, I've never been a fan a heavily modified cars, or even bumper stickers for that matter, but my cars have to be *driveable*, and I make them so. Still, I won't make any modification that won't pass as original to the casual observer (i.e., my Corvette-based 3rd brake light).
I was in a concours only once, with my Miata. It had originally been a base model (no radio, steel wheels, etc.). Even though I bought a Miata factory radio, I got dinged. I bought Miata alloy wheels from a different model year - dinged again. (OK, I can kinda see that one.) I lost points for not having the buck-toothed, tie-down hooks in the air intake, which are only for shipping, and for giving a tow truck driver the temptation to rip off your bumper...these eyesores should have been removed as part of the dealer prep. One of these days I'm gonna tell a judge that the car still has the original oil and gas that I drained and saved for competition, but if he actually gives me points for that I'll end up strangling him.
But I digress, sorry. When a concours has a "daily driven" category, as James suggests, I'll be there. Until then, the only joy I will get for having clean, good looking car will be the envy of my friends and neighbors. :-)
Gus Schlachter Austin, TX VIN# 4695
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:12:20 +0000 From: Robert Brandys <oehcs@flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7uhq2v$empb@eGroups.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Dyno Testing DeLoreans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
We have scheduled Nov. 6 10 am at Street Stuff in Addison, IL
as the Dyno Testing Day for DeLoreans. We have the supercharge one form Jason Ross and Glen and Sons Automotive, an automatic Delorean, and hopefully Guy Avalons dual turbocharge car scheduled.
You are welcome to attend and bring your car for testing. Cost is about $100 per car.
If you have never seen dyno testing of a car it is a worth while experience. If will let you know if you engine and computer are working properly.
Bob
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <0.207d9279.253e9f7b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:16:44 -0500 From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] Re: The first DeLorean sold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
At 11:30 PM -0500 10/19/99, CBL302@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/19/1999 9:10:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >james@usadmc.com writes: > ><< 502, 528, 530 and 558 all assigned to Legend Industries > >> >What or where are vins #528,530, and 558 ? > >Claude >vin#000570
There used to be a former Legend employee here on the list - he may be able to shed light on what the other cars were used for and their configurations. I have been told that at least one was used as a prototype for a single turbo, when development of the twin turbo took longer than planned, a single turbo was thought of to get it to market quicker and prop up sales.
I think that Rob Grady also has one of these cars...
James
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DeLorean31@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:54:22 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: The first DeLorean sold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
One of our Club members here in NJ owns VIN 520.
Gary Gore Activities Director DeLorean Mid Atlantic
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:47:04 -0700 From: fred50fred@email.msn.com Subject: [DML] 50 Models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I just wanted to thank everyone for their interest in the models. I am currently exploring options for having them built and hand-painted. Would also consider offers to purchase the entire stash of models and conversion kits. Feel free to reply here on the eGroup or email me at fred50fred@email.msn.com. The DeLorean Pilot.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <0.932e8397.253f940e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:13:10 -0500 From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] Re: The first DeLorean sold... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
At 4:54 PM -0500 10/20/99, DeLorean31@aol.com wrote: >One of our Club members here in NJ owns VIN 520. > >Gary Gore >Activities Director >DeLorean Mid Atlantic > >------------------------------------------------------------------------
Out of curiousity, I looked up the VIN 520 in my memo of company assigned cars - it appears that yours is noted as being one of the "training units" and was assigned to an N. Ellsworth from the Troy, MI office of DMCA.
Forward this to him if you think he might be interested in a copy of the memo.
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas
281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Christopher Hawes" <cmhdevelopment@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:15:21 BST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] The ORIGINAL Twin-Turbo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I know that vin 502 is the ONLY FACTORY ORIGINAL Legend Twin Turbo which which had all the money invested into it just before the company was closed...
I believe that it is owned by DMC Houston and was for sale recently for many more times the price of a stock version car.
Christopher M. Hawes DMD (Delorean Model Dealership)
----Original Message Follows---- At 11:30 PM -0500 10/19/99, CBL302@aol.com wrote:
><< 502, 528, 530 and 558 all assigned to Legend Industries > >> >What or where are vins #528,530, and 558 ? > >Claude >vin#000570
There used to be a former Legend employee here on the list - he may be able to shed light on what the other cars were used for and their configurations. I have been told that at least one was used as a prototype for a single turbo, when development of the twin turbo took longer than planned, a single turbo was thought of to get it to market quicker and prop up sales.
I think that Rob Grady also has one of these cars...
James
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: BondAtomic@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:04:55 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] All you AOL members... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear DML members,
If you are operating under America Online, you can download some beautiful pictures of DeLoreans. Go to Keyword: FileSearch. Find what you can about DeLoreans. What I did (a lot easier) is look up on the toolbar (under file, edit, Go To, etc...) and click on the software search icon (disk with magnifying glass over it) and type in DeLoreans. If you are not a member of AOL, feel free to e-mail me and I will send you the file.
John Feldman BondAtomic@aol.com
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991020231521.82862.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991020231521.82862.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:54:37 -0400 From: Peter Lucas <lucas@maya.com> Subject: [DML] Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The Handbook sez:
"Cars up to VIN 07199 may NOT have a 'dead' pedal in the left side driver's footwell."
My vehicle (VIN 6703) has this pedal (intended as a footrest). I don't have a complete history of this car, but it is otherwise very original, and its hard to imagine somebody going to the trouble of adding this particular item (although it *is* actually kind of nice). Anybody else in my neck of the production woods have the pedal?
--Pete Lucas VIN 6703
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: NJP548@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:12:27 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Posted DeLorean for sale on DMCNews Website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hey List,
I just posted my ad for my DeLorean for sale on the DMCNews web site so if your interested please check it out. It also includes a link to the web site that has my pictures of it. And also so I won't get a lot of e-mails asking me about the "bidding" talk (You'll know what I mean when you check out the site) that it says on my web site...see I tried selling my car on eBay and the highest bidder fell through on the deal and for some reason AOL changed the way you create web pages and now I can't change it.
Later, Nick VIN#1852
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: UNCLEUMP@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:11:10 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Massive Condensation...Opinions, please!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Well, I've owned my D for 10 years and drove it in the evening for the first time. I went to a friend's house late afternoon, when the temp was about mid 60s or so. I left around 9, so it had gotten dark & chilly. When I hopped into my D, the winshield had a ton of moisture/condensation on the inside. It was sweating like a cold can of Coke on a warm day.
Any suggestions as to what's wrong? Luckily, I had some napkins & cleaned off the window. It was too much for the defoger.
Thanks for your help in advance. You can't look very cool as you're wiping condensation off with napkins!
mATT #6770
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: [DML] Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>The Handbook sez: > >"Cars up to VIN 07199 may NOT have a 'dead' pedal in the left side >driver's footwell." -----------------
My first DeLorean was vin 6530. I purchased it new from an authorized DeLorean dealer. It was an automatic and had a dead pedal.
Dick Ryan VIN 16867
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Dan B" <dbergl@hotmail.com> References: <19991020231521.82862.qmail@hotmail.com> <v04210143b4341f5cffba@[192.70.254.120]> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:41:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have #6623 and have the 'dead pedal'. Although I must admit I don't know the history of my car either.
Dan
----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lucas <lucas@maya.com>
> The Handbook sez: > > "Cars up to VIN 07199 may NOT have a 'dead' pedal in the left side > driver's footwell." > > My vehicle (VIN 6703) has this pedal (intended as a footrest). I > don't have a complete history of this car, but it is otherwise very > original, and its hard to imagine somebody going to the trouble of > adding this particular item (although it *is* actually kind of nice). > Anybody else in my neck of the production woods have the pedal? > > --Pete Lucas > VIN 6703
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Doc" <doctor280@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:36:27 -0400 Subject: [DML] Keys and Limited Addition Kits Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Just to update the group about the keys and the limited edition kits.
I placed my order for 3 sets of keys and a limited edition kit in the beginning of the year. I received my keys yesterday and I must say that Lee has done a fantastic job. They are as close to the original as you can get. As a matter of fact when I was having one of them cut for my Delorean the locksmith looked at it for a long time and finally asked " Where in the H#!! did you find a factory blank at. I have not seen one of these in about 16 or 17 years".
I know that there has been concern by some out there as to if they will ever get their keys or limited edition kit. I will say to the doubters, hold out because I think you will be very pleased with the results of these products and they will be well worth the wait. I know for fact that the keys were.
It might not be my place to say this, but I will relay what Lee has told me. He is hoping that the limited edition kits are going to be sent out by Christmas. He also said that he is working on the bodies at this time.
To Lee I will say take your time, I would rather have a quality product then something that is thrown together and half a$$ to satisfy few unhappy people that want them yesterday.
It should be noted that I am not affiliated with Lee"s projects at all (just a customer), but will support any decisions that he makes to ensure quality and value of he projects.
Robert Starling Vin#5252
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CatfishEd@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:04:55 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
My D is Vin # 0925 and it has the dead pedal on the left of the clutch pedal
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:01:52 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson <RappaRivaRat@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00c801bf1ab8$dc285a80$0164a8c0@dell-xps-300.austin.rr.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual (and more) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Gus Schlachter wrote: > > Not that I mind people competing for the cleanest, most original car, but as > most of you know, the term "original" is relative. Particularly so for > Delorean owners. If you replace a fuse, is it original? If you have > something repaired under warranty or due to recall, is it no longer "as > shipped from factory"? Original tires from 20 years ago?
"Concours competition" has more to do with elegance and beauty than originality.
The term "concours d'elegance" was created around 1940 to specifically address the judging of older automobiles primarily for their appearance rather than originality. For many older cars in the class of the Stutz Bearcat, the Auburn Boattail Speedster, or a 1897 Rolls Royce, true "originality" would be virtually impossible. So the judging class of "concours" was developed.
By definition, "Concours: A public contest or competition." "Concours d'elegance: A public exhibition and competition in which automobiles are judged chiefly on the basis of elegance and beauty." No mention of originality here. Of course the judges in any kind of competition are at liberty to apply their own set of rules and guidelines. For example, I can understand judges awarding an extra point or so to a DeLorean with "original" tires for now, but can you imagine an 1897 Rolls Royce with original tires??!! In a case such as this the judges will consider how near to the original "look" it is. Also rules and guidelines can be, and are revised as time goes on.
I do agree that any major vehicle competition should include a class of "driver" and/or "unrestored original". The Bloomington Gold Corvette judging has such a class. This class could easily be included in a "concours" competition but perhaps not in a true "concours d'elegance" competition. Bloomington Gold is probably one of the toughest automobile competitions in the world. Again, judges can do anything they want as long as they are all on the same page. And they should and do consider input from contestants for additions or modifications to the judging rules and guidelines.
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)(with original tires from 20 years ago!) Midlothian, VA USA
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:22:49 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson <RappaRivaRat@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19991020231521.82862.qmail@hotmail.com> <v04210143b4341f5cffba@[192.70.254.120]> Subject: [DML] Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Peter Lucas wrote: > > The Handbook sez: > > "Cars up to VIN 07199 may NOT have a 'dead' pedal in the left side > driver's footwell." > > My vehicle (VIN 6703) has this pedal (intended as a footrest).
If the rule reads, "may not have a 'dead' pedal", that is quite different from "shall not have". I would interpret this rule to mean that if it does or does not have the pedal, either is quite acceptable, no points lost or gained. "May not have" implies "may or may not have". If the rule as written means that the pedal should not be there, it was poorly written.
"Shall not have" carries no other implication. It clearly means that if you have it pal, you lose! If it came with it you better remove it, at least until the rule is changed, if necessary.
Regards, Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:47:05 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00c801bf1ab8$dc285a80$0164a8c0@dell-xps-300.austin.rr.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual (and more) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Right on the money! I tend to agree, that concourse competitions do not do any good for the delorean population in general.
I also think it is somewhat of a put-down to "loose" because a radiator clamp has been replaced, or some detail like that. Many of us have replaced some of the external body screws with stainless screws, Do you loose points for that?!
This is why I am looking forward to the R&R hall of fame show next summer! There are enough categories to cover all sorts of De Loreans.
If the DOA starts to do this, with pressure from DMC Houston, It will allow more owners to participate in the shows. But, as James admits this is because they want to sell more parts! (Thanks for being honest James).
This brings me back to concourse cars, the winning cars are generally owned by people who can afford, and are willing to spend the money necessary to make the car a winner. Maybe if we all just brought in our financial statements, it would make judging easier. No need to have fellow De Lorean owners bend, kneel and crouch for several hours to judge! :)
Gus Schlachter wrote: > > You know, this thread reminds me that I really hate concours competitions. > Nothing says "waste" to me more than showing off a car that is clearly never > driven! > <SNIP>
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:53:33 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Renault EF-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I am again looking in to what options are available for a engine swap on the De Lorean to get some more power out of it.
I found some data on engine weights, to see what would be a good candidate for a transplant, and found the following:
Renault 2.8 V6 375 (2) (also DeLorean, Peugeot, Volvo) Renault EF-1 395 (2) (racing version of P-R-V V6)
Anyone know what a Renault EF-1 is?? Were they ever use in North America?
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:37:06 -0700 From: mnoeltne@ezl.com In-Reply-To: <v04210143b4341f5cffba@[192.70.254.120]> Subject: [DML] Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
VIN 6820 has it. Again, a VERY original car and the original owner kept reciepts for stuff, so I know it wasn't added after he bought it.
I thought I remembered seeing a different VIN as the cutoff for this. More mid-1981 like a 3xxx number. Gotta go dig through my stuff. I swear I saw this somewhere!
Mark N VIN 6820
peter lucas <luca-@maya.com> wrote:
> The Handbook sez: > > "Cars up to VIN 07199 may NOT have a 'dead' pedal in the left side > driver's footwell." > --Pete Lucas > VIN 6703
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:21:26 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@lorainccc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00c801bf1ab8$dc285a80$0164a8c0@dell-xps-300.austin.rr.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Concour Manual (and more) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Gus Schlachter wrote:
> Not that I mind people competing for the cleanest, > most original car, but as most of you know, the term > "original" is relative. Particularly so for Delorean > owners. If you replace a fuse, is it original? If you > have something repaired under warranty or due to > recall, is it no longer "as shipped from factory"?
You are right, this *is* a fascinating and tricky area where DeLoreans are concerned. Having participated as a judge in DMC Houston's Millenium Concours in Saint Louis, I know that they are continuing to conduct research to make it better and better. I expect a number of improvements the next few times they conduct a Concours as they fine tune their standards.
As a rule of thumb for any Concours, I would say the most important thing to do is to impress the judges by being meticulous. A spectacularly clean car will get you far. A judge might not notice a little thing, for example if you replaced a fuse back in 1987. But if you show him/her the old, burnt-out fuse you removed 12 years ago, plus the reciept for the replacement fuse, he/she will probably be impressed.
> When a concours has a "daily driven" category, > as James suggests, I'll be there. Until then, the > only joy I will get for having clean, good looking > car will be the envy of my friends and neighbors.
Last year, Ken Koncelik's DeLorean Car Show in Cincinnati *did* give awards for daily drivers. His June 2000 show in Cleveland is still being planned, but I know he will have prominent display space for all daily drivers. I expect that he will again give some awards for daily drivers in which they do not compete against the Concours cars.
Ken, how about giving your Cleveland 2000 website a few pictures of the huge display of daily drivers that were judged in Cincinnati?
- Mike Substelny
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:01:33 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] 50 delorean models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sorry to use the DML for this, but his e-mail address wouldn't work and I am interested in buying some of those models still in the box. So if you are reading this, please e-mail me with details on the models you have.
Erik Geerdink 4512 EGGS D
delorean502@excite.com
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:17:23 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] extra pedal? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
So you're saying that if I have this extra pedal and I have a 5 speed, then there is going to be 4 pedal down there? Is this extra pedal really noticable? Can someone put a picture of this in the vault sometime? I would really like to see it. thanks
Erik Geerdink
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:30:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Renault EF-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Did the later version of the EF-1 have electronic fuel injection? If so, that would be a wise swap for anyone to consider, let me know what you find!
thanks, Sean Spurlock
>From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> >Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com >To: DMC News <dmcnews@egroups.com> >Subject: [DML] Renault EF-1 >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:53:33 -0400 > >I am again looking in to what options are available for a engine swap on >the De Lorean to get some more power out of it. > >I found some data on engine weights, to see what would be a good >candidate for a transplant, and found the following: > >Renault 2.8 V6 375 (2) (also DeLorean, Peugeot, Volvo) >Renault EF-1 395 (2) (racing version of P-R-V V6) > > >Anyone know what a Renault EF-1 is?? Were they ever use in North >America? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <19991020231521.82862.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:50:59 -0500 From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] Re: The ORIGINAL Twin-Turbo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
At 6:15 PM -0500 10/20/99, Christopher Hawes wrote: >I know that vin 502 is the ONLY FACTORY ORIGINAL Legend Twin Turbo which >which had all the money invested into it just before the company was >closed...
Weeeelll, not exactly. 502 was shipped to states from the factory to Legend Industries where they developed and installed the twin turbo setup. 502 is widely recognized as the only FACTORY-AUTHORIZED twin turbo setup. Until more details emerge about the configurations of the other Legend cars, that is.
>I believe that it is owned by DMC Houston and was for sale recently for many >more times the price of a stock version car.
This is incorrect. DMC (Houston) has never owned #502. It was on consignment in our Houston showroom for some time at an asking price of $125,000. No reasonable offers were made and the owner now has the car back in storage.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:00:54 -0400 From: John Hanley <106165.1407@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Renault EF-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com >Anyone know what a Renault EF-1 is?? Were they ever use in North America? <
This could be EF-i =
over in the UK it stood for Efficient fuel injection i understand
Regards John Hanley
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Tris Harvey-Rice" <laddie@globalnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:27:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991021163025.24899.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: [DML] UK DeLorean Appearance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I've been told that tomorrow (Friday) night, BBC's Watchdog programme will contain some DeLorean footage and references - set the video!
All the best,
Tris Harvey-Rice ------ Editor, DeLorean Owners Club Magazine
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:45:32 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson <RappaRivaRat@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19991020231521.82862.qmail@hotmail.com> <v04210143b4341f5cffba@[192.70.254.120]> <380F0599.AD85363B@erols.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Another nit from the Judging Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
#6419 has the 4th pedal. Guaranteed authentic and completely original.
No, I did not save the original oil, gasoline, or antifreeze solution. However, #6419 still has the original tires (less than 10K miles), but they do not still have all the original air. Some after market air has been added over the years. I suppose there is some minor difference between Northern Ireland air and Virginia air, but I won't mention it to the judge if you won't. BTW, the original tires are in excellent condition, no dry rot or cracking, because they have been exposed to UV's only during the 10K miles on the clock. I would not hesitate to drive anywhere on these tires. Additionally, there are some internal transmission parts that are not original (early warranty work), but who's looking? Two major flaws are that I did not keep the original windshield wiper blades or battery. I lose!
As I have mentioned several times before, #6419 could easily be considered a candidate for a concours d'elegance show with a minimum of spit and polish. I have neither the time nor inclination to do that. However, if you do, she is for sale! I can have delivery arranged to anywhere in the world. At $25K I will include delivery to anywhere in the contiguous 48 USofA. At less than $25K, we'll talk.
Regards, Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) Midlothian, VA USA
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Sliprock" <sliprock@pathway.net> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:15:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Judging DeLoreans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
These letters concerning the judging of Deloreans brings to mind what happened to me this year. For the record, I buy classic sports cars to enjoy, not show, and if others like seeing them that's great. I never seek to have them judged.
Fathers Day of this year I took my D to a great, and huge, car show. Of course the best parking spaces were had by those who showed their vehicles so naturally I registered and parked among the sports cars.
More people stopped to look at, and admire, my nice, but not concours, car than any other in the entire show. It was almost embarrassing. BUT, when time came to judge, they would not even consider judging mine. You see, one needed a fire extinguisher to be judged. I had none. They almost seemed pleased. My wife and I laughed all the way home. Others got the trophys, but we had more fun.
So, those of you who are concened about being concours, just remember, your D is probably more popular and more unusual. A distinction most of the others will never have. Enjoy the moment.
Mike #2467 (Still for sale)
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:36:30 -0700 From: jan@vdwouw.demon.nl Subject: [DML] HTML and Quotes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear List,
I have been reading this list for the past three months and I would like to thank everyone for all the info you've provided me with. I hope to buy a "D" within the next half year and thanks to the list (among others) I now know what to look for and what I want...
I have allways read all messages with pleasure, helping out where I can, but lately it seems as if everyone qoutes ALL previous relies on any given subject, only to add maybe two or three lines of comment. To make this worse, these messages are often repeated in HTML folowing the plain-text message.
god exapmple of this occurred in last friday's digest (15 october 1999), message #3829 (please do not take this personally, it is just an example):
Robert's post was only 12 lines long, including quotes and linebreaks, but including the HTML-version it grew to 47 lines, almost 4 times as much (all of this excluding the inevitable headers)
I looked it up and in the digest of 7 september 1999 the last message (#2828) states the "acceptable posting policies", posted by our moderating-team, of which I would like to qoute the folowing:
> (5) KISS -- Keep It Short and Simple. Trim quoted material, and keep > your signatures short. >
This does not seem to be happening anymore. I happen to know that this HTML cannot be edited or scrapped by the moderators; they can only (dis)approve a post.
Therefor I see it as a task of us, the listmembers, to live up t the rules. Please trim your quotes: if you want to react to a post, quote only what you are replying to, not the complete message. Try to avoid using HTML; most HTML-capable mailers (like Netscape and OutLook) make URLs and mail-addresses clickable, even in a plaintext-mesage. DO NOT attach anything to your posts; these are included as code, not as attachment and since the digest is one enormous mail, most decoders do not understand where the code starts or ends: Attachments don't work.
As the moderating-team pointed out several times; the vaul is ideal for posting pictures and links... You can find it at http://www.egroups.com /docvault/dmcnews/
All of the above is just plain experience; this i what I "suffer" from and I know that I am not the only one. The moderators are busy enough as it is, so I hope at least some of you act on this mail so the list can stay nice and readable for everyone regardless what mailer they use.
Thanks for reading on this far,
JAN van de Wouw The Netherlands
Think Different... Use a Mac... Live the Dream... Drive a DeLorean...
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: My83DMC@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:54:09 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DeLorean Headquarters is still alive!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Greetings,
I've been getting a few.. well, many E-Mails regarding
DeLorean Headquarters (or The Wings of the DeLorean, it's called both names).
Apparantly some people aren't getting the subliminal message that says
"Coming soon!".
I've been redoing it, but it's taking longer than expected, with school and all. Hopefully I'll be able to get it up within the next week or so.
Thanks to those who wrote, at least I know people visit it.
Supratik Vin # (None yet, doh, not old enough to drive) DeLorean Headquarters http://members.aol.com/Zamere/index2.htm
P.S. Oh, yes, and webmasters, if you would be kind enough to provide a link, it would be greatly appreciated, send me links to your websites as well, and I'll put them up.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:31:18 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Massive Condensation...Opinions, please!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 10/21/99 11:42:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, UNCLEUMP@aol.com writes:
<< When I hopped into my D, the windshield had a ton of moisture/condensation on the inside. It was sweating like a cold can of Coke on a warm day. >> Somehow you had trapped water in your car,it most likely had something to do with having your AC on(you did have your AC on before you parked?)Either that or have you checked your carpets to see if they were(are)wet,and the water was evorporating and then condensing on your windshield.
Claude 000570
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DMC83in99@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:18:39 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Some more questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
First, let me thank everyone for the input into 16738, which has finally gotten it's street legs back, after a warm up regulator, cold start valve, A/T governor and solenoids. Now I have a couple of questions; First, last night, on her first voyage of the evening, the voltage meter dropped to around 10 or so, and the battery light started to faintly glow. Although it hasn't had a problem starting since we finally got it running, and the lights aren't dimming, everyone has told me it's probably the regulator, which is connected to the alternator, so might as well say that. Does this sound right to everyone?
Second, based on the first question, does anyone have any parts numbers for a Motorola or Delco alternator?
Any help is greatly appreciated!!
Scott 16738
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:27:43 -0700 From: ronaldcas@aol.com In-Reply-To: <002f01bf1b7d$d9c21360$a7fd183f@computer> Subject: [DML] Re: Keys and Limited Addition Kits con't!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
snip... > > I know that there has been concern by some out there as to if they will ever > get their keys or limited edition kit. I will say to the doubters, hold out > because I think you will be very pleased with the results of these products > and they will be well worth the wait. I know for fact that the keys were. >
RE: this posting..... Let me just begin by saying that I have only been a "reader" of this list (for over a year and 1/2), until tonight. I read it EVERY day but I'm not one to really get 'overly involved' and post questions, etc. But... I do read, research, take notes, listen and have learned tons! I would not own a Delorean today had this group not been here. But for me to actually write this takes alot! Believe me!
However, I must comment on Lee's reproduction keys.: My dalmation destroyed the one and only key I had.... so my search was on! I looked and called everywhere to find replacement keys. No luck. Then, I was finally directed to Lee and after contacting him my search was over. We emailed each other a few times and within few weeks I received them in the mail. I was very pleased with the look and quality. No, they are not "exact".... but they are great! I had no problems whatsoever. I took them to Sears the next day and had them cut. No probs. Now I have two great keys for the car.
I too, am NOT associated with Lee either. I've never met or 'spoken' to the man..... but credit needs to be given where it is needed! Kudos to Lee! The model is next!
Regards list, Scott in Miami #10566 / "82 DMC"
PS..... anyone in the Miami area? Contact me at ronaldcas@aol.com Lets play!
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:45:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] transmission problems! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This is a very peculiar problem. A friends DeLorean will not shift into first unless the shifter is brought down into second and then slammed back into first. Thsi is all accompanied by a slight grinding sound. All I could think of is that the transmission has worn synchros or that the clutch (new) has not been adjusted properly. All the other gears shift very smoothly, so the clutch idea seems to be out. Does the transmission need a rebuild, or just synchros? Help me out all you knowledgeable DeLorean owners!!!
Thanks! Sean Spurlock
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Wilson <fluffy@snurgle.org> In-Reply-To: <19991022014521.651.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: transmission problems! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Sean Spurlock wrote:
> This is a very peculiar problem. A friends DeLorean will not shift > into first unless the shifter is brought down into second and then > slammed back into first. Thsi is all accompanied by a slight grinding
You need to double clutch. When you go to shift into first, you should first shift into neutral, then let the clutch out, then rev up the engine to the speed it would be if it were in first, then push in the clutch and shift to first. You should have a relatively easy shift with little to no grinding. This is the way they used to shift in the olden days before synchros - it doesn't hurt anything and in fact most "big rigs" and race cars still work this way.
If that's what it is, then the problem is with the synchro. I haven't had first gear synchros in my Geo Metro for two years and my Jeep didn't even have first gear synchros when it was new. IMO, you don't really need them on first gear.
Sometimes this is the sign of worn out gear oil (bad gear oil will accelerate the wear on just about all the transmission components, including synchros). But I have heard that you're not supposed to change the transmission oil on the DeLorean.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Dale Schaub" <DaleSchaub@worldnet.att.net> References: <0.8ade9ffc.253fd03e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:27:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Massive Condensation...Opinions, please!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
check if your heater core is leaking. in the 70's i had the heater core started leaking in a car. i ended up with moisture/condensation on the inside of the windows. this occurred in cold weather, so i actually had ice on my windows. it can be a really small leak.
....the winshield had a ton of moisture/condensation on the inside.
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