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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. DeLorean Car Show "YEAR 2000"


3. The Show (What else?)

4. Re: Re: Cleveland and JZD

5. Thanks Ken!
From: "Mike DeLuca" <>

6. I need a hood... please help...
From: "Danrc30" <>

7. New DMC to the Family
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <>

8. Media Coverage at Cleveland 2000 Show
From: Mike Substelny <>

9. dash replacement

10. John Delorean

11. Re: Spare Tire
From: "Robert Rooney" <>

12. Front fascia for sale

13. Alternative Engines

From: Lance Haslewood <>

15. Lee Seiler model DeLorean

From: "Robert Rooney" <>

17. Accumulator Problems
From: "Robert Rooney" <>

18. and AND Cleveland Show
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <>

19. Re: Cooling Fan circuit
From: "Robert Rooney" <>

20. testing power antenna

21. ahhh.. those brown stains.
From: "Mike Cutting" <>

22. Re: John Delorean

23. Re: 5 seconds...

24. Cleveland Show
From: Tamir Ardon <>

25. "D" Show 2000

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:09:38 EDT
Subject: DeLorean Car Show "YEAR 2000"

thank you all for your response to the show
I am overcome by your appreciation of what took place
(wish I could have seen it  LOL its still a blur) 

I will write up a detailed summary of the show later I am beat now but here 
are a few stats

Cars at the show  101 (only counted cars I have photos of the liscence plates)

Friday dinner at the Crawford 314

Saturday Dinner 273

Overall attendance based on the person attending at least one event (this 
number may be low due to walk ins not recorded)   360

Number of cars Dana brought  1 ( next time bring your brothers car also  It 
was 5 miles away LOL ) 

Number of Deloreans at the show ( family members) 4

Number of States represented 30

plus Canada
and Israel ( Tamirs brother) 
one from Saudi Arabia

Number of Briklins 2 and they were the cleanest I have ever seen
Number of Lotus 2 including the model used in the James Bond movie (white)
Number of GTO's 1

Television stations covering 4 chanels 19,43,5,3  (that I know of)

Number of Radio stations (A LOT)
WERE radio featured us all week and had an interview with John on I think WED.
thanks Paul

Number of Newspapers 1 (that I know of)

Number of Magazines ( 3 ) that I know of

For those of you that decided not to take the cruise you missed one of the 
highlights of the trip.
The entertainer on the ship rewrote a bunch of old songs just for DeLoreans
He was fantastic and an unexpected treat 
We did get it on film maybe I can share that in Memphis

Well gotta go 

And thank you all for making this the best and largest Delorean Meet ever
will you help me top this in Graceland?????????????????????????????

A very tired and exhausted



Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:13:01 EDT
Subject: HELP

I am Flying to Memphis on Thursday
Can anyone with a DeLorean meet me at Graceland around 3-4 PM or meet me at 
around 4:00.  I need some help in getting information on the area and I need 

Please e-mail me or call
If you know someone on the list either forward me their name or have them 
call me.
I leave Thursday AM



Message: 3
Date: Tue Jun 20 09:40:52 2000
Subject: The Show (What else?)

What can I say, but this show was really something special.  I've been on the DML since '98 when I bought my D and have been following it ever since.  I've gotten to know those key people who really hold the Delorean community together through this list and at the show finally got to meet most of them!  All were courteous and very helpful, everything I'd hoped they'd be.  I also had the oppourtunity to meet, take a photo with, and get an autograph from Mr. John Z. Delorean himself.  (Thank you John.  That, in itself, made the 350 mile trip worth it!)  It was great seeing everyone's D', each with it's own personal touches.  (It's amazing how so many cars that are nearly identicle can be so different.)  The only disappointing thing about the show was that I wasn't able to bring my D.  Soon after I purchased her back in '98, I bought a house, so she had to get put on hold while I did all those "new house things".  (One of which included building a garage!)  A year later, the gara!
ge was finished and I finally got to start work on the D, but she's far far from finished (picture project vixen WITHOUT an engine, transmission, rear suspension or wheels.)  So now that I have a garage, I've set my goals on Memphis.  The Cleveland show was a real inspiration when I got home and took a look at my D.  I'll guess I'll be disassembling, inspecting, cleaning, repairing, replacing, painting and reassembling my butt off until then.  I am planning on putting up a website soon to show the progress of the project.  I'll post the URL here as soon as it's ready!

VIN 2650


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:41:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Cleveland and JZD

There were a group of people who had bought books and had not read them
because I'm sure she said Stainless Steel Illusion. Of course I can't
tell if we are
talking about the same people or not, but it seems strange they would
buy books
and not read them because arn't most of them negative? Outside of the
autobiography, are they any that arn't? I read his story and I believe
him. I have
seen a documentary and I don't believe it. Now I hear there is a new
coming out? Anyone know anything about it?


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:31:30 -0400
From: "Mike DeLuca" <>
Subject: Thanks Ken!

I€  ’²m sure I speak for many people who attended the show this weekend when I
I met John Z. DeLorean, I had my picture taken with John Z. Delorean, I had
John Z. Delorean sign my car WOW!
 I attended the greatest DeLorean event of all times thanks to Ken!
Talk about Living the Dream! Words can€  ’²t express what a great job you did
Ken, Thank You for an experience I will never forget!!!!!!

Mike D.
Vin 3113 (now signed by JZD)

Dear Moderators ,
it was nice meeting many of you in person at the show!


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:39:56 -0400
From: "Danrc30" <>
Subject: I need a hood... please help...

Ok. Here's the situation. For reasons that I will divulge later, I'm stripping the paint off my car and I need a hood. It must have lines in it too, with no gasflap. I need this hood because I'm afraid of ruining mine. See, I'm stripping my car, and i'm finding that the car was sanded down with a DA (dual-action) sander. My hood, with linesand no gasflap, is in PERFECT condition, less the scratches. So, I'd like to sell it to someone who needs a hood for their painted car, and buy a hood for my car without any sand-scratches in it. I'd regrain my hood, but I'm really afraid of putting that "X" form in it. Right now, there is no "X". So, this would be a PERFECT hood for someone with a painted car. All the paint is stripped clean from it right now. It's ready to be painted and installed. If someone is interested in some sort of trade, let me know. I'm leaving all options open. So, if there is anyone out there who could possibly help me in any way at all, please e-mail me privately and let me know what you can do. Thanks so much in advance.

---Dan Vin#5493... only partly black and gold right now... but working on it...

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:48:47 -0400
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <>
Subject: New DMC to the Family

Greetings all,
        I purchased VIN #10365 two weeks ago and I'm having it shipped from
FL to my home in NJ.  I'm really excited as I have wanted a DeLorean for
quite a long time.  It is, in no small part, because of this list that I
chose to buy one so soon.  My buddy Dan has one and he was instrumental in
helping me out with what to look for and how to inspect it, as well as
introducing me to the list.
        I know my car needs a few things, some more than others.  I am aware
of the suppliers of DeLorean parts but thought I would post to the list with
my needs first to see if there was someone who could help me out.  Here's
what I believe I need:
Door struts (both sides), hood struts, hood gasket, stainless coolant
bottle, shift boot, steering wheel with horn pad.  When you take off the gas
cap the insert is rusted badly.  Are these replaceable?  This car has none
of the updates discussed here and I imagine I will have them done by one of
the DeLorean repair centers.
I also remember a conversation about taking brown sun damage out of the dash
board (the interior is grey).  I can't seem to find this in the archives as
I am still new to the list, but if memory serves me someone had suggested
using kerosene....any thoughts?

I appreciate any help that you can offer.  Please feel free to email me
directly as not to spam the list members with my answers.  Thanks!

VIN #10365


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:57:36 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Media Coverage at Cleveland 2000 Show

JZD was interviewed twice for Cleveland radio.  The first was a live
telephone interview by talk show host Paul Schiffer last Thursday.   Mr.
Schiffer repeatedly mentioned Ken Koncelik's DeLorean Car Show.  Before
the interview was over, JZD himself personally mentioned the upcoming
DOA Expo in Las Vegas.

The second was a recorded interview with local celebrity Carey Coleman
which will debut this afternoon at 2:00 Cleveland time.  Both radio
personalities came to the three dinners.  They assured me that both
interviews will be archived to the web by the end of the week, and as
soon as they are I will post the addresses to the DML.

A reporter from WTAM 1100 also came to the Show and covered it as a news
story.  WTAM is a clear channel, 50,000 Watt AM station heard in many
states and  Canadian Provinces.  However, I do not believe the news
story will be archived to the web.

I was told that at least five television stations sent camera crews
(local NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, and UPN stations).  I know for a fact that at
least two featured the Cleveland 2000 show on the evening news.

Patti and I recorded the full 30 second story from Channel 43 (UPN) and
distributed copies to DMLers from various cities in the hope that
someone would stream it onto the web.  It shows JZD with a huge smile on
his face, the Brandys Time Machine (in action!), Dave Colley's red car,
and the endless lineup of DeLoreans on the Pier.  The news narration was
favorable to the DeLorean automobile.

Members of my family saw a similar story on Channel 5 (ABC) but only
recorded the last five seconds of it.  It featured Curtis Bryant's red

I am told that a number of magazine reporters were there, too, although
I personally only spoke to one of them.  She mentioned that she had come
from New York, but I was so rushed that I forgot to ask the name of her
magazine.  She may have been freelance.

Between running the Tour and judging the Concours, I was pretty busy
over the weekend.  I may have missed some media presence.  Does anyone
else know of more media coverage at the Cleveland 2000 Show?

- Mike Substelny


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:08:52 EDT
Subject: dash replacement

Anyone have any suggestions for a cracked dash; overlay or replacement; any 
help would be much appreciated.


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:17:34 -0400
Subject: John Delorean

Does John still live in New Jersey? I have not been able to keep up with
I don't know what happened with the estate. Since I missed everything
that went
on except the banquet which left me dead, what is this new car of Johns?
I know
what it is, but how will it ever get made? By selling watches? I don't
get it.


Message: 11
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:35:51 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <>
Subject: Re: Spare Tire

My spare tire can hold its air fine. It's just that I don't trust the 
rubber to hold up against the weight of the car. My old NCT's were 
rotten, and the spare looks like it's headed down that same route. 
That's why I wanted to replace it.

vin 6585

--- In, William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> The DeLorean spare tires just don't work well.  In fact, donut 
spares in
> general just don't work very well.  If you want to keep your donut 
> filled, you have to reinflate it about every week.


Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:44:38 EDT
Subject: Front fascia for sale

Hello List,
    Going to Cleveland really got me encouraged to finish my car.  I have and 
extra front fascia that is in pretty good shape that I am going to sell.  I 
need all the room and money I can get this summer.  I have placed it on ebay 
with a very low reserve.  The bolts on the back are intact and not broken.  
The person I bought it from stripped some of the paint off of it so it will 
need a new paint job.  It has very small eyebrows but I noticed that most 
Dmc's have them.  you can view pictures at the link below.

just thought I would let the list know



Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:49:57 -0000
Subject: Alternative Engines

Hi everyone,

Very new to DMCNews... I am an Aussie who just loves them as we only 
have approx 3 downunder, and even then I think I am exaggerating.

Currently I am living in Burlington, Toronto, Canada and would like 
to hear of any local owners etc.

When considering a DL, I have heard that the standard V6 isn't really 
that powerful... what are the other alternatives that people have 
been successful with?

Paul Gurney


Message: 14
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:35:51 +1000
From: Lance Haslewood <>

I wish to install a UHF CB into my DeLorean. Can anyone advise as to a 
location where I may mount the antenna.

Thank you.

Lance Haslewood


Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:15:14 EDT
Subject: Lee Seiler model DeLorean

This is our first message to dmcnews as we are new to this, we are new 
DeLorean owners as well.  We feel very privileged to have won the raffle for 
the Lee Seiler model Saturday night at Cleveland.  At first our plans were 
not to open the box and keep it for posterity, however, there is no fun in 
that, though its value may or may not be compromised.  However, really hoping 
to come to the event, and find a model to purchase, and then finding out none 
exist except in this format, it was such a thrill to have won.  Our plans are 
to assemble it, mount it and put it under Plexiglas and bring it to Memphis 
for display.  This brings me to my question.  Is there anyone out there who 
has received his or her Lee Seiler DeLorean model and assembled it?  No doubt 
as this project unfolds we will have some questions.  I understand there are 
not too many in existence.  Thank you for any input and help!
                                Howard & Leslie Smith


Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:01:14 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <>

I have a spare set of louvers where the previous owner mounted the 
antenna. Whomever it was drilled a hole in the top louver, passenger 
side in the upper corner to mount the antenna. How this would look, 
or wheather the louver could stand the force on it, I don't know. But 
it is an idea.

vin 6585

--- In, Lance Haslewood <lanceh_at_dml_z...> wrote:
> I wish to install a UHF CB into my DeLorean. Can anyone advise as 
to a 
> location where I may mount the antenna.
> Thank you.
> Lance Haslewood
> Australia


Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:22:37 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <>
Subject: Accumulator Problems

After reading the accumulator FAQ, I understand what it's function 
is, and how it works. But my question is, what can cause an 
accumulator to go bad? Is the diaphram inside prone to heat damage? 
And if so, at what temperature? Right now were having hot start 
problems, but the accumulator is supposed to be new. The fuel in the 
gas tank is getting hot enough in traffic to cause the pick up hose 
to collapse, so when fuel gets this hot, is it possible for it to 
damage the accumulator as it goes through it? I have several repair 
options here, but a couple of answers could greatly help me decide in 
which direction to go. Thanks in advance again!

vin 6585


Message: 18
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:53:21 -0600
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <>
Subject: and AND Cleveland Show

Hello all! I have made it back to Colorado with my DeLorean in one piece!  I
have put about 3500 miles on it in the last month, with another 5000 or so
expected in the near future. . . it is one of the few cars that I feel
comfortable just jumping into and taking off. . . I am however exhausted, so
am still holding off on getting the rest of the pictures posted from the car
show. . . .

I have another 300 images to post (give or take).

I have also just registered DMC12.CC AND DMC-12.CC so check out either
website when you get the chance.  This will enable me to work on expanding
and redeveloping the Quintessential DeLorean Website that is currently at

It was great meeting all of you at the show (at least those that were there)
. . .and despite what you might hear, Tamir ( is
actually a very nice guy  ;)

Michael C. Babb


Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 03:20:13 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <>
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan circuit

I had the same problem on my car this afternoon. It turned out that 
one of the wires on the jumper came loose. Look at the bottom row of 
relays. All the way to the left you should have a blue relay socket 
with a jumper wire rather than the blue relay. When looking at the 
relay socket, the bottom slot is live for the power. The 2 outer 
slots are for the fans. Also check the in line fuses to make sure 
that they are still good. Make sure that the jumper wire is snugly 
plugged into place. This should cure your problem. Replacing the 
jumper wire with fanzilla is a good idea, but unless you have an 
automatic transsmission, it's probably not a nessesity at this time.

vin 6585

--- In, François Laplante <laplanca_at_dml_v...>
> The right front fan of the cooling system of my Delorean does not 
work. If I jump the live wire from the left fan, the right fan works 
correctly; the ground is also correct. I suppose the trouble is at 
the FanFail Module, where the two live wires split to the fans.
> My problem: I do not find the Fan Fail Module. Could someone 
indicate me where in the car I could find that module? 
> Thanking you in advance,
> François Laplante
> VIN: 17145
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 20
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:20:02 EDT
Subject: testing power antenna

    My car currently has no antenna and I finally found a used one from a 
DeLorean.(one that mounts in little louver)  How can I test it to see if it 
works before I mount it?  can I jump it off of a battery some how?  I just 
want to make sure the motor works before I purchase it.  please let me know.



Message: 21
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:49:06 -0400
From: "Mike Cutting" <>
Subject: ahhh.. those brown stains.


this past weekend, i decided to try and remove the nasty brown stains from
my grey dash.  i used a j-cloth and warm water and was able to clean the
mess up quite a bit however, those stains (although much lighter) are still
there.  i have a feeling that the stains were mostly dirt from years of
storage but there are still large, ugly brown patches  on my dash.  i
vaguely remember seeing a post about this subject quite some time ago, but
was unable to find it in the archive..  any suggestions??


Message: 22
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:03:09 EDT
Subject: Re: John Delorean

In a message dated 6/20/00 7:50:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 

<< Does John still live in New Jersey?  >>
 Yes.  Not far from his former farm.  I don't have the address.

"Living the dream"


Message: 23
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:03:11 EDT
Subject: Re: 5 seconds...

<< drove 5 hours to Cleveland and saw John for
 >about 5 seconds getting into a car. >>

When I signed up for the show, JZD wasn't even mentioned, I don't believe.  
Anybody who saw him, got to as a free bonus, I figure. My son and I couldn't 
drive out in our D due to my work and his other responsibilities.  We 
couldn't even get there until ten minutes after the dinner began on Saturday. 
 But though there was a lot we just couldn't get free to do earlier, we had a 
terrific time.  It was great to meet many faces that go with the cryptic 
screen names.  And great to be with fellow D fans.  A  really wonderful group 
of people.  We had a fantastic time, with or without our D or it's creator.  
We did get to chat with Kathryn (sp?) several times though!  :)

-Wayne and Rick
"Living the dream"


Message: 24
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tamir Ardon <>
Subject: Cleveland Show

Dear List,

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about the show.  It
was great, and I thank Ken and everyone else involved
for the time and effort they put into making the show
successful.  I enjoyed meeting everyone from the list
who attended and making new friends.

Quick note to those who check my site for updates. 
There will be many updates occurring over the course
of the next few weeks, so stay tuned.


Do You Yahoo!?
Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger.


Message: 25
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:10:08 EDT
Subject: "D" Show 2000


   What a fantastic event the car show in Ohio turned out to be. I feel so 
fortunate I was able to attend with Vin #11596 and my son. I wasn't going to 
take the "D" because I just got it 6 months ago and was not confident it 
would handle the 1,000 miles round trip. But my son was sure it would make 
the trip.

Well it not only make the trip but it performed like a newer car. What a 
great piece of equipment these Deloreans are. All I did was fill it up and 
fly like the wind. Since my Angle drive went out a month ago I don't know the 
exact speeds I was going but I estimate between 70 and 80 most of the way 
back. I made the 500 mile trip back in 8 hours. (Left the Sat dinner at 1830 
and was at my son's home in Roscoe, IL by 0410Hrs Sunday morning).

The comfort and handling of these machines is nothing short of amazing. JZD 
("The creator") really has given us a car that was ahead of its time. I have 
had 4 Corvettes, MG's, Audi's and others but none of them match the handling 
and oneness you feel behind the wheel of the "D". Thanks John Delorean for 
not only a great event in Ohio, with photo's, signatures, and good company 
but also for a solid, well designed masterpiece of a sports car. It is truly 
a pleasure and a great experience to drive this unique piece of history.

Signed by JZD.