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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Good News Story
From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>

2. Re: Painted panels
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Painted panels
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. Celebrity DeLorean owners...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

5. How to top Cleveland
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

6. Re: Video of JZD with the Time Machine Smoke at cleveland
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

7. Re: satisfaction and fuel tank question
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Engine Update
From: pressurerat_at_dml_cs.com

9. Re: [Re: AC question]
From: pressurerat_at_dml_cs.com

10. Cleveland pix page
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

11. Think you got everything?
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. PRV6 Variations
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>

13. Re: Painted panels
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

14. RE: Celebrity DeLorean owners...
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj_at_dml_Exchange.Microsoft.com>

15. Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...
From: "yugoman" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>

16. Cleveland Video's
From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>

17. Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

18. power antenna wanted
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

19. Re: How to top Cleveland
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

20. Re: PRV6 Variations
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

21. Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

22. Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...
From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>

23. Re: PRV6 Variations
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

24. Re: Good News Story
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>

25. Re: Painted panels
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>
Subject: Good News Story

The Cleveland 2000 show was great.

Hats off to Ken K. and all of the others who helped pull this show together.

Is it a bad sign when you know the words to all of the songs that were
played in the movies that documented rock in roll?  The Rock in Roll Hall of
fame was very cool.

Many thanks to Bruce Battles and his family for hosting us at there home
last Wednesday.  Bruce was towing a trailer and I followed behind in my car.
I don't think that I would have been able to avoid speeding tickets if I was
not able to pace myself behind Bruce.  My Delorean cruises its best at 75
MPH.

Meeting John DeLorean and getting his autograph was very cool.  He
autographed his book for my son Alan.  John Delorean also autographed the
glovebox lid while it was in the car (Thanks Bruce Battles for the photo
documenting this).  The judges had just finished with my car as John
Delorean was walking past.  I explained that I was unable to remove the lid
because of the judging and John Delorean did not hesitate to climb in and
sign.

The caliber of cars at this show was exceptional, I truly enjoyed seeing the
cars and meeting the owners and fellow list members.

I was shocked that we won FIRST place in the 20K-30K class.  I had driven
the car 1000 miles from Mobile, in the rally, through the deluge Friday
night and spent 4 hours cleaning Saturday morning.

I tried to get my wife to tell her hard luck story Saturday night.  She was
at the airport Friday morning 0630, various flight cancellations and weather
delays prevented her from getting to the hotel until 2215 Friday night.  (I
still would have voted for the guy who drove without AC, what a stud)

I would also like to thank Steve Seltzer of Gainesville for his electrical
engineering expertise in helping trouble shoot a cooling fan problem that
manifested itself during the rally.

Monday on the way back home, my son and I stopped in Bowling Green KY.
While driving around the Corvette Factory a gentleman flagged us down.  This
man just wanted a close look at a car that he has admired since it was
introduced.  This man was the Mayor of Bowling Green and he works at the
Corvette Factory.  It was a pleasure talking with Eldon Renaud and best of
luck to him in his search for a DeLorean.  The Corvette Factory tour and
Corvette Museum were well worth the time.

To sum it up, this was a fantastic trip and experience.  But what made it
all really worthwhile was that my son Alan told me that he will always
remember the long trip we took in the DeLorean.






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Message: 2
Date: Thu Jun 22 09:30:00 2000
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Painted panels

James, Can you tell a difference between the two painted panels?  (i.e.  Does one manufacturer's paint job appear to work better than the other?)

Steve Stankiewicz
VIN 2650



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:31:41 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Painted panels

Re-read that message from a few months back...

One tinted clearcoat, left rear fender
One right front fender with the tape in different colors
and now
One right front fender from Ditzler with primer and black paint
One right front fender from Sherwin Williams with primer and black paint

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>How many "tinted" fenders are there?  I remember a few months back you
>saying that the tinted fender was actually colored tape on the
>stainless..
>
>
>James Espey wrote:
><SNIP>
>
>>  Incidentally, the panel that is painted with the tinted clearcoat has
>>  no markings on the back of it that might identify its source. :(
>>
><SNIP>



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:50:01 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Celebrity DeLorean owners...

Someone this past weekend asked me whether or not Patrick Swayze 
owned a DeLorean, and the best that we've been able to determine is 
that, yes, he still owns one.

Which got me to thinking about other "celebrity" DeLorean owners...I 
had heard that David Prowse owned or owns a DeLorean. David Prowse 
was the actor inside the Darth Vader costume in the Star Wars films 
(though James Earl Jones did the voice). Our records *do* show that a 
David Prowse at one time owned VIN 01955, but I have yet to verify 
that it is the same David Prowse.

Anyone know of any others?

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:40:12 -0700
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: How to top Cleveland

To top Cleveland all we need is for Ken to get two people:
    - Micheal J. Fox
    - Christopher Lloyd

    I'd imagine their schedules are pretty busy, but that would be
pretty cool to get them to the show.  Especially to draw all the
BTTF fanatics out there!
    Oh yeah and bring back JZD, Mark, Kathryn, Katherine and Katherine!
:-)  After all, it just wouldn't be a true DeLorean show without them
anymore.
    Again, thanks Ken for an unbelievable show!  I'll never forget it.
        Josh
        VIN 5102
        VIN 15964




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:06:32 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Video of JZD with the Time Machine Smoke at cleveland

I was unable to video tape JZD with the smoke coming out of the delorean time
machine (because I was operating the CO 2 system.  If someone video taped this
and is will to share the tape so I can digitize it, please contact me.

Bob Brandys




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:54:53 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: satisfaction and fuel tank question

Cliff,

The coat hanger items you are describing are spring retainers, there purpose
is to hold the baffle firmly to the bottom of the tank. If they are not
installed the baffle will lift off the bottom of the tank, this will cause
hesitation during acceleration especially when the tank is less than 1/4
full. Constant movement of the baffle could cause the stud at the bottom of
the tank to break, this would require replacing the entire fuel tank.

No special instructions on replacing the fuel filter.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:20 AM
Subject: [DML] satisfaction and fuel tank question


> Man... since i got my delorean in march i have
> steadily been learning on how to fix the car, today i
> replace my fuel pump and all accessories to it and
> decided to check into my fuel tank.. well looking into
> 



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:44:57 EDT
From: pressurerat_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Engine Update

this is kind of related subject matter. the other day i ran into a guy 
working on a dodge Monaco (not sure of the year).and sure enough, it had a 
prv engine in it. it said 3.0 and was VERY similar to the stock dmc engine. 
the main difference that i could see was that it had electronic fuel 
injection and the distributor was mounted on the front of a valve cover(easy 
to get to!). my question is, has anyone had experience with this engine? does 
it make a little more power than the dmc mill? will it 'bolt right up' ? ive 
driven these cars in the past unaware of the engine they had, and they seem 
pretty peppy.any input?



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:46:34 EDT
From: pressurerat_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: [Re: AC question]

In a message dated 6/21/00 7:15:04 PM Central Daylight Time, dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net 
writes:


What is the Fan Fail Bypass Modification?



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:27:21 -0700
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Cleveland pix page

Dear List,
    I apologize...I jumped the gun by announcing that my Cleveland pix
were up.  So far I have only uploaded the thumbnails for my JZD page.
The rest will be posted either tonight or tomorrow.  Check back then,
but in the meantime please feel free to browse the other sections on the
page.  I have over 400 quality images to sort through, scan, edit and
post, so it's taking some time, but it will be mighty cool when it's
done!
    Back to work,
    Josh
    VIN 5102
    VIN 15964
    http://www.geocities.com/delorean-12/mainpagecon6.html




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:33:12 PDT
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Think you got everything?

Hi everyone:
   Sorry we missed the Cleveland festivities! I've got a little item that 
you can file under the heading "For the Delorean Owner who (thinks) he has 
everything". My wife is redoing our bathroom and has started on the tile. I 
remarked that the grout she was using was a nice pleasing color and she said 
: "It's Delorean grey". I told her that was nice and she stopped working and 
said again, holding up the bag of grout mix: "No, I mean it really is 
Delorean grey!"  Sure enough! I looked at the bag from a company called 
Custom Building Products and the color printed on the bag was, indeed, 
DELOREAN GREY! I wonder if JZD is getting any royalties from this product? 
Hmmmm? (It was purchased at Home Depot, for any of those interested in 
redoing their bathrooms!) De Miller, Kansas City.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:57:11 -0000
From: "Chris C" <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: PRV6 Variations

Speaking of a car with a similar PRV6 the most power I have seen out 
of the PRV6 is 260. The engine displaces the exact same 2849cc's as 
our PRV6 but the engine has the addition of twin turbos. The car is 
called th MVS Venturi 260 and can go 168mph and 0-60 in 5.1. I wonder 
if its possible to bolt this engine to the DMC?




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:56:45 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Painted panels

So sorry...

Here is the message for anyone following this thread.  I did not
remember all of the details.

http://www.egroups.com/message/dmcnews/8384?&start=8358


James Espey wrote:
> 
> Re-read that message from a few months back...
> 
> One tinted clearcoat, left rear fender
> One right front fender with the tape in different colors
> and now
> One right front fender from Ditzler with primer and black paint
> One right front fender from Sherwin Williams with primer and black paint
>



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:59:05 -0700
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj_at_dml_Exchange.Microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Celebrity DeLorean owners...

Hey James.

I don't know how much of a celebrity he is, but Art Oberto, the owner of Oh
Boy Oberto Beef Jerky snacks, owns a DeLorean.  I can't recall what vin# he
had, but I will ask again.


Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: James Espey [mailto:james_at_dml_usadmc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:50 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Celebrity DeLorean owners...


Someone this past weekend asked me whether or not Patrick Swayze 
owned a DeLorean, and the best that we've been able to determine is 
that, yes, he still owns one.



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:14:33 -0400
From: "yugoman" <mdrig_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...

I read on the list some time back that Ace Frehley of KISS at one time owned
one. Unfortunately the ninny wrecked it :^(
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:50 AM
Subject: [DML] Celebrity DeLorean owners...


> Someone this past weekend asked me whether or not Patrick Swayze
> owned a DeLorean, and the best that we've been able to determine is
> that, yes, he still owns one.
>



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>
Subject: Cleveland Video's

I would be interested in obtaining a copy of the videos from the news broadcasts, 
helicopter, dinners and awards.

I would gladly reimburse someone for the cost of the tape and there efforts in making 
the copies.

Perhapes this is something that could be sold to help fund the Memphis show.

Scott Mueller
002981


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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:43:51 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...

Lou Gossett Jr. bought one and had it redone at Delorean One. I helped the 
dealer locate a Delorean for him. This was three years ago, dont know if he 
still has it. It was an 81, 5 speed, and I think gray inter. It came from TN.
Bruce Battles
Vin 06569



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:36:12 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: power antenna wanted

I'm looking for a new power antenna that someone is trying to get rid 
of.  please e-mail me privately.

thank you

Erik Geerdink
4512...lookin' better everyday.




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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:43:26 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: How to top Cleveland

If there was a way to get Michael J. Fox, Christopher Loyd, John 
Delorean, Kathryn Delorean. (Back In Time just came on the company 
radio!!!) maybe there would be a way to raise money for PD.  it would 
be great publicity for the awareness of PD.  with all those BTTF 
fans, DMC Fans and fans of the actors...this would be HUGE!  it would 
be kinda like a DMC convention, a BTTF convention and a PD awareness 
convention.  Any thoughts?

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:00:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: PRV6 Variations

On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Chris C wrote:

> Speaking of a car with a similar PRV6 the most power I have seen out 
> of the PRV6 is 260. The engine displaces the exact same 2849cc's as 

The DeLorean gets the least power out of the PRV of any car I know of,
unfortunately.  :}

Regarding potential swaps to other PRV's, I wouldn't suggest it.  The
DeLorean PRV has some external modifications so that it fits efficiently
in the rear mounted configuration.  It would probably be easier than
swapping in an entirely unrelated engine, but on the other hand, if you're
looking at a maximum of 260HP, you have less potential gain.

Most of the other higher performance PRV's will have: Better fuel
injection, freer intake and exhaust, better manifolds, more aggressive cam
timing, higher compression, forged pistons, and of course, turbochargers
(not at the same time as higher compression).  The DeLorean, like so many
other cars of the era, trades off performance for better emissions and
fuel economy.

Although I don't really know, I have a hunch that these types of upgrades
are how DMC-Houston is getting 180+ HP out of a plain old DeLorean PRV.

In my estimation, finding and adapting all these parts from a better
performing PRV would cost just as much as having DMC Houston do it.
Unless you're just looking for the challenge, or you want Even More Power,
I wouldn't bother with it.




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:03:30 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...

I know that Jim Varney (the "Hey Vern" guy) owned one, and one of the 
members of Duran Duran, although I know it WAS NOT Simon LeBon. I've 
only heard of one being sold since, but several Casino 
owners/executives  here in Las Vegas own a few. Most of these cars 
were "slot prizes". Out of all the DeLorean's won in casinos, only 2 
people elected to keep the cars, the rest took the cash equivilent. 
But rather than the norm of sending the car back to the dealership to 
get the money back, the execs keep the DMC-12's for themselves! Maybe 
not the type of celebrities you expected, but one of many unusual 
tales involving DeLorean's in Las Vegas...

-Robert
vin 6585

p.s. Although there's maybe only 3 people from Vegas in the list 
here, records indicate that there are between 30-40 D's here in town!




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:01:02 -0500
From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>
Subject: Re: Celebrity DeLorean owners...

Jason Newsted of Metallica had one, but I believe he's parted ways with it.

-Daniel



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:39:25 +0100
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: PRV6 Variations

The Venturi has a similar 2.8 block but is even-firing compared to the DMC's
odd-firing setup!!

The engine I think would theoretically fit, but the cost factor becomes the
significant issue from this point......

Lotus told me 10,000 would pay for the twin-turbo V8 as fitted to the
current Espirit models.  The layout is the same and thus should fit.
However the rotation of the gearbox is the opposite to the DMC.  The cost of
fitting this method would of course be additional........

For $20000/12000 the 300hp Northstar has been tried and tested
successfully.

The 200hp+ 'Houston' route seems to be extremely cost effective..... The
dyno testing for stages 2 and 3 (next year???) will certainly be something
to look forward
too!!!!

Just something to think about.....

Chris Hawes
UK

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris C <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:57 PM
Subject: [DML] PRV6 Variations


Speaking of a car with a similar PRV6 the most power I have seen out
of the PRV6 is 260. The engine displaces the exact same 2849cc's as
our PRV6 but the engine has the addition of twin turbos. The car is
called th MVS Venturi 260 and can go 168mph and 0-60 in 5.1. I wonder
if its possible to bolt this engine to the DMC?






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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:56:44 PDT
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Good News Story

I too had some interesting problems.  We took two cars to the show, the 
DeLorean and a "regular" car.  I have not recharged the A/C in the D, so the 
plan was to drive the other car all weekend and only drive the D up to the 
show and back ( about 2 hours each way).  However, it turned out that the 
casette player is broken in the other car, so we ended up doing the road 
ralley in the D with NO A/C (very hot trip - black interior).

Then, Friday night, on the way to the auto museum (in the rain) the car 
overheats (not the D).  So, I thought I could avoid driving my car in the 
rain, but no luck.  In fact, I had to walk, jog and hitch about 3-4 miles 
back to the garage to get the D to make it to the museum.  We finally made 
it to the show ( not too late either).

So the next morning I was working on the other car for several hours, after 
searching for tools from everyone.  (I did borrow some from another owner - 
sorry I forget your name - But thanks!)  Eventually I get the other car 
going and make it back to the show to find the judges on the car right next 
to mine.  Mine is still covered from the rain and mess from the night 
before.  I would have washed it, but I was working on the other car!!!  
Anyway, the guy next to me was in the same class and I'm not sure how great 
his car really was, but sitting next to mine, it looked REALLY good.  In 
fact he took 2nd place.

But amid all of the commotion, I sought help from Ken in finding tools.  He 
made some suggestions and then offered that if I needed to go get anything, 
I could take his truck and go!!!  Wow, even though I did not borrow his 
truck, I really do appreciate that he would offer to let me use it.  (I had 
never met Ken in person prior to this)  Ken put on a great show and is a 
great person.
Thanks, Ken
Brian 16584


>From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>

>I was shocked that we won FIRST place in the 20K-30K class.  I had driven
>the car 1000 miles from Mobile, in the rally, through the deluge Friday
>night and spent 4 hours cleaning Saturday morning.
>



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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:36:48 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Painted panels

James,

    At the cleveland show, I saw a passenger side fender hanging on the big 
truck that housed all the parts that DMC Houston brought to sell at the show 
on saturday, which fender was that?  Was it the "Ditzler" one or the "Sherwin 
Williams" fender?  It was right behind where Warren was sitting at the 
computer.

Later,
Nick
1852



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