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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 119

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: No power
From: djs912_at_dml_webtv.net

2. Nose bra shipment!
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Fuel sender removal
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Re: Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

5. Re: Another strange occurance
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: Fwd: MSD pros and cons
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

8. Re: Re: Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

9. lock / window failure prevention
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. New Engine
From: "William H. Swilley" <billswilley_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Starting woes
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

12. Re: PRV-6 Differances: Volvo vs. DeLorean
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

13. DeLorean prototype
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Starting woes
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

15. RE: DeLorean prototype
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:55:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: djs912_at_dml_webtv.net
Subject: Re: No power

I also have a power loss, but I (very techniclly challanged) think it
may be the fuel pump. After not driving her for a couple of months I
took her out on 2 consecutive days, about 30 miles in total. On day 2 I
was returning home from our little jaunt, and all of a sudden I'm
stalling out (on a main street - very main). After restarting she ran
pretty rough and labored for a few blocks and stalled again. This
sceneario happened several times in my quest to get home without using
yet another of my precious few free AAA tows. Each start kept her
running less time, until alas - no restart. She seems to want to start,
but isn't getting gas - I think. Once I ran out of gas in a van and it
acted the same way, if I remember right. What d'ya think, fuel pump?  




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:55:48 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Nose bra shipment!

The special edition Colgan nose bras for the De Lorean have all been packed 
and labelled.  The additional use and installation tips have been written up 
and added.  They go out Monday by UPS!  Charge slip cardmember copies will go 
out after I see actual shipping costs for each order.

Next project (after vacation next week):  The updated service manual.  I'll 
need YOUR input.
:-)

-Wayne
"Living the dream"
11174



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:57:55 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel sender removal

The wires are just a few inches away from a connector that may be under the 
fiberglass. Just unplug it and remove the sending unit. Be careful no to 
spill dirt into the tank or cause any sparks. 
My $0.02c's worth
john 11004



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:32:33 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)



My source says to check the 1989 Eagle Medallion - R30 Renault Automatic 
Transmission. Information on this transmission is available through Chrysler 
Jeep Eagle Dealerships, Chilton, Haynes and Transmission Shops.

    Unknown if the EXACT transmission was used in the DMC.

Mike



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:24:38 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Another strange occurance

Both the Run Relay and Accessory Relay have a "0" failure rate.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Another strange occurance


> Scott & Gus
> Has anyone tried the accessory relay. It is turned on and off by the
inition
> switch. Relay #17. I can fix or clean if it's the problem.
> John
> 11004
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:46:18 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)

Mark,

I've read your Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed post and am very
impressed; it appears that you have "done your homework". Keep us posted on
the progress of your on-going research project.

DMC Joe

"We're here to help you"

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Hershey <dmcinfo_at_dml_thehersheys.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 11:58 PM
Subject: [DML] Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)


> OK, maybe not everything we'd like to know. But as promised awhile back,
> here's enough to explain
> some strange auto transmission symptoms and get started on the story in
> detail.
>



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:05:32 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MSD pros and cons


I use an MSD 6 Box.  It plugs into the stock wiring.  The MSD super coil will not
fit under the stock Delorean  corner cover.  I put it back by the distributor .  U
can also use and Accel super coil.

bob




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:10:13 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Auto Transmission Governor Secrets Revealed...(long post)


In working on the ZF 4 speed for the 97  DeLorean, I compared the stock
DeLorean computer design to the later Bosch box.  There was a major change in
the technology.  However, the design of the stock D unit is simple enough to
make repair possible.

the design is also simple enough to duplicate.

What is not clear is the reason for failure.

Has some one accumulated all of the failed computers?  Can we do this and test
them to determine the mode(s) of failure.  there has to be alot of these out
there?

I am will to help solve this problem.

bob




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 10:21:27 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: lock / window failure prevention

Group,

      I am a very fortunate man. My car, VIN 7003, works! The locks, fuel 
sending unit, oil pressure gauge, speedo, windows, A/C, etc... all work. How 
can I keep it this way. Has it had any of the updates...I don't know. What 
is an easy way to tell. Especially, I want to keep my locks and windows 
working...what should I do? I would appreciate any info. Also has anyone put 
in an oil additive into their cars. I am changing the oil in the engine and 
dope in the transmission and want to put in a cleaner prior to the change, 
and then an additive? Anything better than slick 50? I would appreciate the 
help. Thanks

Sean
Vin 7003
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:36:14 PDT
From: "William H. Swilley" <billswilley_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: New Engine

In response to:


<Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 03:12:09 EDT
   From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New Engine

Gus,

   Sounds like this new engine is great. We keep hearing about all this 
extra power you've got, form both you and Bill and your seat of the pants 
test drives.  How about putting that thing on a chassis dyno and giving us 
some real numbers. Bob Brandy's put some cars on a dyno last year in Chicago 
and he's got all kinds of factual info, both HP and Torque curves, on 
various Delorean engine setups.

  We're glad to hear all of this " it feels real good" stuff, but we want 
actual hard facts. Let's run your car and get Bill to run his also, so we 
can get some hard numbers and print out some dyno charts..........>


DMC has the charts and figures for the engine on a stand, and I believe they 
have completed the rolling dyno tests by now and will probably publish those 
shortly.  As I recall, the peak HP with the standard exhaust was 172 and 197 
with the headers.  I don't remember the torque figures except that both 
curves seeemed to be exceptionally flat over a wide RPM band.  Stephen has 
asked me to let him run my car on the dyno deal, and I will see if we can 
still do that when I get back to Houston.  I'm in Costa Rica at the moment.

Stay tuned...

Bill Swilley

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:22:02 -0400
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Starting woes

Ok,
        I've had VIN #10365 for about a week now.  The company who shipped
the car killed the battery in transit.  I could start it if I jumped it and
it would run fine but after shutting down it didn't have enough juice to
restart.  So I bought a new battery today.  I put it in today and now
nothing happens.  Well, ok, everything else works, but when I turn the key I
don't hear the fuel pump and when I try to crank I get one click.  The
lights go off as if it's ready to start but it never turns.  The battery is
100%.  I checked the fuses and they all look good.  I'm at a loss and I am
not much of a mechanic.  Any ideas before I have it flatbedded??

Thanks,
Matthew




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:12:36 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: PRV-6 Differances: Volvo vs. DeLorean

DMC Joe is correct on this one. I was writing 2 seperate posts at the 
time, so thats where the mix up occured. Another Volvo I was looking 
at had the turbo, not the PRV (an '86 740 if I remember right). When 
I get the chance, I'll go back to take some photos. I don't know if 
the motor mounts are the same, but the crankshaft pully is longer. 
All in all, it would be alot easier to just purchase a DeLorean 
specific engnine as a replacement rather the attempting to use a 
stock PRV. Aside from swapping the oil pan, the crankshaft pully, 
etc.., you would also have to make sure that you had the hardened 
cams in place. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but modifications 
are involved.

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Robert,
> 
> The only PRV's used in Volvo's were the B-27, B-28, and B-280. Non 
of these
> engines were fitted with turbo's.
> 
> "We're here to help you"
> 
> DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
> .




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Message: 13
Date: Sun Jul 02 22:23:47 2000
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean prototype

Hello

I was wondering if the DeLorean prototype came out in 1977, like I thought, or was it a different year?

John



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:11:08 -0400
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Re: Starting woes

Just an FYI....
        If I get it rolling and pop the clutch she will fire right up and
hum along....
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From: Matthew P. Olans <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Date: Monday, July 03, 2000 12:00 AM
Subject: [DML] Starting woes


>Ok,
>        I've had VIN #10365 for about a week now.  The company who shipped
>the car killed the battery in transit.  I could start it if I jumped it and
>it would run fine but after shutting down it didn't have enough juice to
>restart.  So I bought a new battery today.  I put it in today and now
>nothing happens.  Well, ok, everything else works, but when I turn the key
I
>don't hear the fuel pump and when I try to crank I get one click.  The
>lights go off as if it's ready to start but it never turns.  The battery is
>100%.  I checked the fuses and they all look good.  I'm at a loss and I am
>not much of a mechanic.  Any ideas before I have it flatbedded??
>
>Thanks,
>Matthew
>
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:36:16 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean prototype



John said,

I was wondering if the DeLorean prototype came out in 1977, like I thought,
or was it a different year?
------------------------------------------------------------
John,
The first prototype was built in 1976 and the second prototype was built in
1977.

Robert Starling
Vin#05252





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