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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Crying DeLorean
From: sharkywtrs_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Crying DeLorean
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

3. Re: front end
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

4. Re: alignment
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

5. Simple questions...
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

6. Re: DeLorean Cadillac online!
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

7. Re: Re: I have a factory demo car?
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

8. Re: I have a factory demo car?
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

9. WIRING DIAGRAM
From: "gwells" <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:31:42 EDT
From: sharkywtrs_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Crying DeLorean

I can't believe starting bid is 8000 on that.  Notice how many bids it 
had...I paid less than that for mine, and it definately was better than 
"should run"


Scott


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:36:17 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Crying DeLorean

About the accident damaged DeLorean on eBay, Richard said:

> Good God! Is that a wagon wheel on the front?

That is just the "donut" spare tire.  It comes standard with all
DeLoreans.  This car may have driven away from the accident.  It looks
as though the stainless door and fender absorbed most of the damage.

BTW I suspect the "3.8 liter Volvo engine" is a typo.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 1280, 7 years



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:40 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: front end

Were you at the spring dust of in NJ last weekend?  There was a car that
I was under that I commented did not have the upgrade...

If the stabilizer bar is bolted directly to the frame crush zone, then
you need the upgrade.  The upgrade included a reinforcement brace then
went between the stabilizer bracket, and frame.  I think the bolts were
also painted blue after the update was done.

That is the easiest way to see it, but there are some other things that
were done during the upgrade, such as a double nut on one of the arms,
and a cotter pin added to the lower ball joint.

I learned from Rob Grady this past weekend that there was a initial
recall on this item where the bolts were painted red, and then a update
to the recall where the bolts were painted blue.  

I am sure one of the professionals on the list can give more detail. 
(Me being a hobbyist!)

As far as cost goes, call your favorite part supplier and get a price. 
I dont know what they go for.

Until you have the upgrade done, I would suggest you limit your use of
the car.  A good pothole could take the front end out.  Once the frame
has been damaged, it is a expensive repair.

Marc

rickaye_at_dml_webtv.net wrote:
> 
> i'm needing some front end information.  i took my delorean to an event
> and one of the other owners there said that i have the original front
> end.  i have heard that there is an up grade that is needed.  how can i
> tell my self if the car really needs the up grade of not.  also what
> would i need to up grade and how hard is the job.  also how much would
> it be.  also what can i do to insure saftey until i have the money for
> the upgrade.
> 
> thanks
> officer rick


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:28:06 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: alignment


I suggest you have a qualified mechanic check the steering rack, it is
possible it was damaged when you hit the curb.


gaporter13_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> 
> when hitting the curb, the tire did get torn, but the wheel is undamaged.
> the steering wheel, however, is slightly off center.  i assumed this was just
> a case of realignment ... but i'm completely unfamiliar with the mechanics of
> it, so i really wouldn't know.
> thanks for the help,
> Geof, 3505


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:39:58 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Simple questions...


First,  how exaclty does the central locking work (assuming it is 
working correctly)?  Does locking one door automatically lock the 
other?  Do you lock the doors while open and then close them?  
Everyone talks about how they fail, but nowhere can I find how they 
are supposed to work!

Second, what's a reasonable cost to have all the headliners redone?

See, simple questions..

Thanks,
-Hank




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:49:52 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Cadillac online!

Actually, the link from DeLorean Cadillac is directly to DMC Houston.  I
do not see any DMC content on the page itself.  Only the link.


Josh Haldeman wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
>     Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, but I just checked
> and the DeLorean Cadillac Website is online!  It comes complete with a
> link to DMC Houston and a mention of the DMC Show in June.  Pretty
> cool...check it out at:
> http://www.deloreancadillac.com
>         Cheers,


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:54:42 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Re: I have a factory demo car?

I saw this fender in Ohio, and I think this was the DuPont fender with
the anodized colors.  It was a interesting look.  You could see the
stainless steel grain under the paint, it looked like a "stain" more
than a paint.

If there ever was a entire car made this way, Id love to see it.   

Robert Rooney wrote:
> 
<SNIP>
> off site by private companies. I forget who had the photos, but there
> were pictures on someone's web site of the KAPAC warehouse in Ohio
> from when DMC Houston had an open house. In one of the photos, there
> was a right front fender which was striped with all paint colors that
<SNIP>
> paint wasn't as resistant as Stainless Steel. Dupont was also working
> on anodizing, or caoting the SS various colors like red, blue, and
> green. The problem was that the coating would bubble & peel in humid
<SNIP>


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:30:20 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: I have a factory demo car?

>No cars ever left the factory painted because there were no
>facilities to paint them on site. However, this does not mean that

True.

>some cars could not have been "Factory Authorized" to be painted. I
>do have to agree that there must have been at least 1 car, if not a

None of the factory documentation shows vehicles in the possession of 
DuPont, though they do show vehicles in the possession of companies 
like Legend Industries, ABC Television, Olsen Engineering, DOT, GM 
Harrison Radiator, and Smokey Yunick. I would put forth the 
possibility that only panels were used for paint research.

>couple of others that were used to test paint. But just like the RHD
>cars, and the twin turbo prototype, all work must have been completed
>off site by private companies. I forget who had the photos, but there
>were pictures on someone's web site of the KAPAC warehouse in Ohio
>from when DMC Houston had an open house. In one of the photos, there
>was a right front fender which was striped with all paint colors that

No one really knows whether or not these were "all paint colors that 
Lotus used". In fact, it's not paint at all on that particular 
fender, but an adhesive tape in various colors. There *IS* a right 
rear quarter panel in the warehouse that is painted with a red tinted 
clear coat, as described in SSI. Once again, no one now knows the 
origin of this panel, or how it got painted.

>Lotus used. Also, in Stainless Steel Illusion, there is a picture of
>a late prototype DeLorean that was painted orange by Lotus. The car
>is shown in one of thier hangers near a few Espirits. So this would
>be proof that at least 1 car was painted, though both of these

The orange car you mention was a "mule" with fiberglass panels 
utilized to facilitate testing of the prototypes rather than wait for 
stainless panels to be made available. This is also mentioned in SSI. 
Photos of this car will be on our website in a few days.

>examples were done by Lotus. To take this one step further, (correct
>me if I'm wrong) painting cars was considered as a last resort. It
>was realized that some might want thier cars to be another color, but
>paint wasn't as resistant as Stainless Steel. Dupont was also working
>on anodizing, or caoting the SS various colors like red, blue, and

I have never heard or read anything regarding anodizing the SS panels.

>green. The problem was that the coating would bubble & peel in humid
>enviorments. Weather a car with this feature exists, I don't know,
>but I am curious... In closing, while you could call it a "Factory
>Painted" car, "Factory Authorized for Painting" might be a more
>accurate term.


James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.usadmc.com



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:01:34 +0100
From: "gwells" <gwells_at_dml_totalise.co.uk>
Subject: WIRING DIAGRAM

I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A DOWNLOADABLE WIRING DIAGRAM WITH LEGEND, BUT I HAVE NOT YET FOUND ONE. CAN ANY ONE HELP?
GRAHAM WELLS
 1981 AUGUST VIN 17152


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