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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: battery replacements
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: JZD Signature on your car in Cleveland
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: More on Auto Transmission and the Transmission Governor
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

4. Re: More on Auto Transmission and the Transmission Governor
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com

5. car4Sale &dmc part car
From: "Jim Plamondon" <saab82_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. cooling problem!
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Facia Bolt Replacement
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

8. Side Marker Sockets
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

9. Modification - Horns/High-Beams
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. New Battery
From: jcox4001_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Re: weird factory writings
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

12. Re: New Engine - DYNO CHART
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

13. Re: Side Marker Sockets
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Re: cooling problem!
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Modification - Horns/High-Beams
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: cooling problem!
From: "Michael D. Myjak" <mmyjak_at_dml_virtualworkshop.com>

17. Re: New Battery
From: uncleump_at_dml_aol.com

18. Carpeting
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: cooling problem!
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

20. Melted fuses
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: cooling problem!
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com

22. Re: ALTERNATOR
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:06:18 EDT
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: battery replacements

I recently replaced my battery with an Interstate Model MT-78.  Works great.

Gary Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360

<< Hi Group. MY battery died and I wanted to get some opinions on which 
battery
 you think is best. I live in Columbus, OH, but I usually store my D in the
 winter. Thanks for suggestions. Bob #20003 >>



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:09:23 EDT
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: JZD Signature on your car in Cleveland

I actually bought another glove box lid at the show to have JZD sign.  I have 
a grey interior and had him sign in black permanent marker.  This way I 
wouldn't damage the original one and can easily switch it back.  I think DMC 
Houston sold alot of glove box lids that day for just that reason :-)

Gary Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360

<< For those lucky people: I'm curious for info on what Mr. Delorean signed 
your glovebox lids with ? Will it be permanent ? What about those that have 
black interiors ?
 
 Thanks,
 Steve Pattison
 Vin 2528
 San Diego >>



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:21:11 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: More on Auto Transmission and the Transmission Governor

You are correct about the Ds trans computer.

I compared its design to that of the the ZF4.Bosch computer.  I really like the
Ds design because of its simplicity.

It is most likely that the voltage comparitors are failing.

The problem though is converting to an Eprom of PLC controller.  You still need
an input signal and some logic to control when to shift.  On later computers
this in programmed into memory.

The after market computers now available are about $1000. 00.  still way too
expensive compared to a $400 D computer unless you are looking at lifetime
costs.

The question is whether isolating the chips in the car would make them live
longer.  Or are voltage spikes killing them.

I know on my transmission, we have had voltage spike fry the pressure
modulating circuit twice.  We had to building an isolating circuit to protect
the computer.

Bob






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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:44:14 EDT
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: More on Auto Transmission and the Transmission Governor

Dear Mark:
Being an owner of a 5 speed; your info was more than I needed or wanted to 
know about automatics, but my cerebral hard drive has the capacity and I was 
never once tempted to stop reading. This is the type of info I think is 
invaluable to owners and your concise way of explaining it and the concept 
makes it that much better. I hope to hear more from you on the list in the 
future.
Thanks Again,
Ralph
Vin 1606



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:34:12 PDT
From: "Jim Plamondon" <saab82_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: car4Sale &dmc part car



Hello This is Jim.
I was looking for a parts car for sale.
I would like one w/ Black int., 5-speed early 81 w/ gas flap,
and black wide stipe on the side.

I'm selling my early 81 w/ auto & black int.
I'm looking to get 18,500 or obo.

I was woundering who were the people in OH that work on
D's

Thanks Jim P. in Jamestown, NY
Saab82_at_dml_hotmail.com



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: cooling problem!

hi everyone.. today i replace 3 of my coolent hoses
around the engine. I replaced the hose going to the
coolent bottle, the hose going into the water pump and
the hose going out of the pump. Now when i took off
the old ones coolent came rushing out. I assume it was
not all of it. I put the hoses back on and filled the
coolent bottle to the max line, the coolent bottle
didnt drain into the hoses very much it just filled
the bottle and sat.  I turned on the car and let it
run for a while.. my temperature started to raise and
no fans kicking on, also the level in the bottle did
not lower. So if i let it run it would eventually
overheat.  What am i doing wrong? Helpppp!

-Cliff Andrews

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:19:46 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Facia Bolt Replacement

Hi,

   First of all "Happy 4th of July" to the DML. I am replacing all but one of 
my bottom facia bolts on the rear facia assembly. After getting 8 replacement 
stud bolts from P.J. Grady I now have the challenge of making them all a 
permanent part of the facia assembly. I tried a Super Glue epoxy adhesive but 
it didn't do the job. Today I have redone one stud with J.B. Weld. I think 
this product will work but would like to verify that with any others out 
there who have done this. If you have found a product you know will work 
would you please respond back. I want to make sure I get the best solution 
possible to this sticky problem. Your input would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks

Bill
Vin#11596



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:26:39 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Side Marker Sockets

 Hi,

  In taking my front yellow side markers apart to find out why they quit 
working I found rusted and wet sockets. Both sockets had water trapped in 
them which made using them again impossible. I have gone to several auto 
parts stores to replace them but no luck. I would like to avoid redoing the 
whole wire harness. Has anybody out there replaced just the sockets and 
bulbs. Your input would be appreciated.

Bill
Vin#11596



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:25:30 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Modification - Horns/High-Beams


Hello all,
I noticed a nice feature on a Lancia when attending a carshow the other day. 
When you used the horn, the high-beams flashed together with the horn for a 
second.

Now, I think this would be a nice feature to have on my DeLorean. Is there 
an easy (and reversible) modification that will allow you to flash the high 
beams simultaneously with using the horn?

Thanks for any input you may have...


Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:23:42 EDT
From: jcox4001_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: New Battery

Fellow DML'ers,

Since the thread on Batteries is alive right now, I thought I would take this 
opportunity to tell you of a new product coming soon to a Wal-Mart near you.  
It is called the EverStart Maxx.  It is a 900 cca battery, with the best 
warranty in the industry.  I got to see it at our winter convention.  You 
will recognize it in a bright yellow casing, and it comes in our (Delorean) 
size!  The second they are available, I am getting one, and I'll give 
everyone an update.  They should be out just prior to the fall season.

Jeff
JCox4001_at_dml_aol.com



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:07:34 +0100
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: weird factory writings

Robert,

In reply to your comments regarding 'Metal Mickey'.  Besides possibly being
the nick name of that particular worker there was a comedy series on British
and probably Irish television aswell at the time.  I was only very young
when watching the half-hour comedy programme about a robot that was living
with a family.  The robot was humourous, very SILVER and had a similar
profile to the robot in THE FORBIDDEN PLANET.  The robot and the programme
both shared the same name..........Metal Mickey.

Other popular programmes and events at that time will also have found their
way to being immortalised on the 'unseen' areas on many of the DMC-12's out
there.  Many of the cars have never been taken apart since leaving the
factory.  It really does make you think what really does lurk out there on
the inside of your panels...........

Something to think about.


Chris H

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Rooney <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:19 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: weird factory writings


Haven't taken off my fenders yet to check for "cave paintings" yet.
But on thing that I have noticed is on the doors. When Removing my
headinliners for a cleaning, someone wrote "METAL MICK" in block
letters, along with various employee #'s, the VIN #, plus a couple of
dates & times. I've seen pictures of other cars with their passenger
headliners off, and it says the same thing! Either "METAL MICK" in
big block letters, or "Metal Mickey" in handwriting. Does "mick"
refer to the car beeing Irish, or was "Metal Mickey" an overactive
employee who inspected the doors and got a little carried away in the
process? Ideas? Employee records?

-Robert
VIN 6585

p.s. I didn't realize that there were markings on other places of the
car





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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:49:35 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: New Engine - DYNO CHART

I have posted a chart in the vault showing the engine dyno numbers. 
Chassis dyno testing has not yet been completed, but will be done in 
the next month or so, as well as actual track testing.

http://www.egroups.com/files/dmcnews/newchart.jpg

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>Gus,
>
>    Sounds like this new engine is great. We keep hearing about all this extra
>power you've got, form both you and Bill and your seat of the pants test
>drives.  How about putting that thing on a chassis dyno and giving us some
>real numbers. 



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:01:49 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Side Marker Sockets


Just call DMC Houston. They have them in stock. I just replaced mine some 
months ago. Actually, it was only one socket which was defective but I 
decided to change all of them since the others were on their road to h...

The replacements are very nice, however they are somewhat larger in the back 
than the originals, and I had problems when I tightened up the screws...the 
end of the sockets got squeezed against the glassfibre, remember that its in 
the ends the wiring is attached... so I had to loosen the screws a tiny 
little bit in order to make the lights function as they are supposed to do 
(read: in order to get power to the lights). However, I do recommend the new 
sockets, just don't tighten up to hard ;)

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

>From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Side Marker Sockets
>Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:26:39 EDT
>
>  Hi,
>
>   In taking my front yellow side markers apart to find out why they quit
>working I found rusted and wet sockets. Both sockets had water trapped in
>them which made using them again impossible. I have gone to several auto
>parts stores to replace them but no luck. I would like to avoid redoing the
>whole wire harness. Has anybody out there replaced just the sockets and
>bulbs. Your input would be appreciated.
>
>Bill
>Vin#11596
>
>
>
>
>Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
>www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
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>moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:31:32 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: cooling problem!

Cliff,

    Did you remember to connect the wires to the temp sensor that is inside 
the water return line that runs along the side of the drivers side part of 
the engine compartment?  That controls the cooling fans.  You will see a 
black/orange wire and a green wire.  The sensor is on the underside of the 
cooling pipe.  Hope that helps.

Later,
Nick
1852



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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:36:15 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Modification - Horns/High-Beams

Stian,

    Why go through all the trouble of doing a modification?  Since the horn 
activator and the flasher for the high beams is on the same switch, just pull 
back on the lever when using the horn to activate the high beam flasher.

Later,
Nick
1852



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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:42:23 -0400
From: "Michael D. Myjak" <mmyjak_at_dml_virtualworkshop.com>
Subject: Re: cooling problem!

Cliff,

you got to get yourself a 10mm deep-well socket and let the air out of
the air bleed valve, located at the top of the thermostat housing... its
the water outlet to the radiator. If an air pocket builds up there, water
doesn't flow. Thus your radiator never gets hot, nor the temp. sensor on
the drivers side water pipe, above the cat.

let the air out... so the water will flow.
-Michael

Cliff Andrews wrote:

> hi everyone.. today i replace 3 of my coolent hoses
> around the engine. I replaced the hose going to the
> coolent bottle, the hose going into the water pump and
> the hose going out of the pump. Now when i took off
>

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:03:43 EDT
From: uncleump_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New Battery

I went with the Optima.  It's more expensive, but sounds like it should last 
for quite some time.  I don't drive my D that often, so this seemed to make 
the most sense for my situation.  Auto parts stores don't sell them. You'll 
have to go to a battery specialty store.  It cost $136.00.

mATT



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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:19:33 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Carpeting

Hi all,

   I'm in need of carpeting to fit the passenger side floor.  It appears the 
prior owner had a battery problem that caused acid to eat the floor carpet. 
He cleverly pieced in another partial carpet so that when the seat was fully 
back and the mat was in place all looked fine. The carpet is a light gray in 
color. My "D" is a Jan 82 model. If you have a parts "D" or are replacing 
your old carpet please let me have a shot at buying the passenger side floor 
section. Thanks.

Bill
Vin#11596



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:32:00 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: cooling problem!



Dear Cliff,

You have to bleed the air out of the cooling system. Air trapped in the 
system can cause damage to the engine. The bleed screw is on the top of 
thermostat housing. There are several methods to bleed the air out of the 
cooling system. According to the DeLorean World Technical Index (1996), the 
procedures are covered in DeLorean World Vol. 4 # 1, Vol. 6, # 3 & Vol. 9 # 3.

Sincerely,
Mike




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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:31:23 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Melted fuses

Gang,

   I upgraded my electrical relays from 25 to 40 Amps today. After I finished 
I thought I would look at my fuses to make sure they were all functional. To 
my surprise I had three melted fuses. One was completly devoid of any plastic 
fuse coving. All that was left in the fuse holder was the inner metal 
components and the fuse link was not blown. Just a hunk of metal in a melted 
fuse holder. The other two fuses (one being the AC fuse) were partially 
melted both at the fuse and the holder. I was able to get these two out with 
much difficuty and replace the fuses. Can the fuse holder be replaced and how 
are the wires coming from underneath the fuse holed attached? Can they just 
be pull out and reattached to a new fuse holder? Your valued input would be 
greatly appreciated.

Bill
Vin#11596 (slightly melted)




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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:24:55 -0500
From: at88mph_at_dml_mobis.com
Subject: Re: cooling problem!

Cliff,

You have air trapped in the system.  The easiest way to illiminate this
problem is to make the cooling system bleed itself and once you do this, you
won't have to worry about bleeding the system again.  Its real easy to do,
and all you need is some hose,  a T-fitting, and 4 small hose clamps.  First
off, take out the bleed screw (located in the thermostat housing) then cut
the square end off of the back of the screw (the back end that is inserted
into the thermostat housing) so it will be hollow.  Re-insert the bleed
screw and take a piece of hose and attach it with a hose clamp over the end
of the bleed screw that sticks out of the thermostat housing.  (Make sure
you get it tight) Then take the hose and run it to the filler neck of the
coolant bottle.  There is a small hose going to the filler bottle;
disconnect this hose and place a small piece of hose onto the filler bottle
and attach the right end of the T to the small hose.  Reconnect the other
end of the hose that was on the filler bottle to the left end of the T.
Now, connect the hose running from the bleed screw to the center of the T.
That should solve you problem.  If you have any questions, feel free to
email me.


Thanks,


Duke
www.geocities.com/at88mph_1999
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: [DML] cooling problem!


> hi everyone.. today i replace 3 of my coolent hoses
> around the engine. I replaced the hose going to the

>




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:33:11 EDT
From: sand131_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: ALTERNATOR

first of all, how much does a new delco alternator cost? the deluxe top of 
the line one, not the basic model, if there is one. 

A young man asked a while back and got no answer cause as said, he was "just 
a kid" but the question is a good one and I want to know as well. How about a 
good answer from the experts.
Ralph
Vin 1606



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