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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Insurance for young driver
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Aftermarket wheels
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. Super Car Sunday ( UK)
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

4. DeLorean on Ebay
From: "chris" <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

5. exhaust
From: dtrue10521_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Re: Delco alternators
From: "Mark Hershey" <dmcinfo_at_dml_thehersheys.com>

7. RHD DeLorean in Hong Kong
From: "Ian Foster" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

8. Water Temp. & Fans
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

9. Re: Insurance for young driver
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. paint question
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Thermo Time Switch
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

12. Yokohama Tire dealers
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

13. Re: paint question
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>

14. Oil Sending Unit
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

15. Re: DeLorean on Ebay
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

16. Re: Oil Sending Unit
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

17. Re: Re: Aftermarket wheels
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>

18. RE: Yokohama Tire dealers
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

19. Re: Oil Sending Unit
From: <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>

20. Re: paint question
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

21. Re:Brakes giving me problems...
From: "Fr_at_dml_nk Lommen" <j.m.s.c.lommen_at_dml_hccnet.nl>

22. Coolant leak.
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

23. Re: Insurance for young driver
From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag_at_dml_mindspring.com>

24. Re: Used part needed for project... please help...
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

25. Re: Yokohama Tire dealers
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:54:34 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Insurance for young driver

Hello List,
    I have just started to look into insurance for my car.  Hagerty classic 
car insurance has extremely CHEAP prices.(1/2 price of most)  my friend has 
his dmc insured by them for $16,000 and its only $116.00 per year.  I was 
going to get my car insured by them to but then I found out all operators of 
the vehicle must have 5 years driving experience.  At 17 I think I am going 
to have a hard time finding a place that will do it for a reasonable price.  
The car will be under my parents names(both have perfect records)  I will 
only be driving the car maybe once or twice a week so limited mileage is fine 
with me.  seems like all collector car insurances have a 5 or more years 
driving experience program
    
any ideas?......... please email me privately

Thank You
Dave
Grand rapids, Michigan
#2496



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 06:07:05 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket wheels

While I myself love the look of the stock rims, I've only seen one 
aftermarket set that I really liked. I think there's a picture of 
them in SSI on a test mule, and in the book "Dream Maker" there's a 
set on the display chassis that JZD & the DeLorean team are sitting 
on/standing by (don't have my books availible right now). Does anyone 
know if these rims are availible for the D? I doubt I'd ever switch 
them out, but other then stock they appear to be the only ones that 
do the car justice. Not really into the Fiero look, but I would want 
rims as unique as my car if I ever did decide to change them.

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> List,
>         I saw a post on eBay for aftermarket wheels for the 
DeLorean.
> Here's the link:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=374741398&
> r=0&t=0
> 
> Go check 'em out.  These look pretty cool on the car in the 
pictures.
> 
> Matthew
> VIN #10365




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:27:27 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Super Car Sunday ( UK)

We are now on course for a record number of DeLorean cars at our main annual
UK rally next Sunday ( 16th July) at the British Heritage Motor Centre at
Gaydon in Warwickshire tel 01926-641188.

21 cars are now booked in, including a French contingent, making this the
BIGGEST  EVER gathering of DeLorean's  in England! ...with still room for
more!

We will assemble in the first car park at Gaydon, by 10.00hrs. At 10.30 we
will drive in convoy to the far end of the site, to take up pole position
right in front of the Museum complex.  In front of the Ferrari's,
Lamborghini's, Aston Martins, etc.
It is a great honour for our DeLorean cars to be given this "first class,
VIP treatment".

Don't forget this rally is open for anyone to attend...its only the DeLorean
drivers who get in free though!

Look forward to seeing you all there.


Chris P DOC uk vins 5638/12176




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:53:05 +0100
From: "chris" <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: DeLorean on Ebay

There is a DeLorean on Ebay, starting bid of $30,000!!. Apparently it has John Delorean's autograph etched right into the driver's side door! There is a link to web site which states "This vehicle is very rare and one of only (estimated) 750 on the road in the U.S. today... but the only one that is signed!"

have a look _at_dml_
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=376299755&r=0&t=0



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:18:28 EDT
From: dtrue10521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: exhaust

Hi there . sounds like a project.  I had all of mine replaced after I blew 
out a freeze plug about 3 years ago.. Horsepower Auto 
Barn on  rout 302  did the work & could probably answer your questions.  I 
got an exhaust gasket kit from PJ GRADY.   



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:51:28 -0500
From: "Mark Hershey" <dmcinfo_at_dml_thehersheys.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Delco alternators

I put one of the Delco alternators on my Ducillier-equipped DeLorean many
years ago using the method Darryl mentioned in an earlier post. Used a
universal alternator "J" bracket from Pep Boys, cut it short to fit (where
to cut will be obvious when you have the bracket or there is a diagram in an
early Delorean World I think), and saved the original Ducillier alternator
and it's bracket for "later".

The original belt will work but you might want to get one about an inch
shorter or the battery lead will be a stretch to fit on the alternator's
output post. I made a wiring harness adapter so I wouldn't have to change
the original harness' Ducillier alternator spade connectors. Like
sure...right... I'm going to put the Ducy back on someday...

If you are replacing a Motorola alternator you are on your own for connector
information. In any case you'll need a small two-spade connector that plugs
into the Delco alternator. It's available in any auto parts store hanging on
a bubble pack. Should have a red and a white lead attached; connect the red
one directly to the alternator's output post and connect the white one to
the lead in the D's alternator wiring harness that connects to the
dashboard's BATT lamp (don't recall the wire color but easy to find on the
D's schematic). The second wire in the Ducy's wire harness is no longer
used.

The alternator comes with a pulley assembly in two versions- one has an open
fan, and the other has a round plate attached to the front of the fan to
force air to enter the fan around the edges of the fan blades. Probably
makes little difference but I used the one with the plate on the theory that
it may run a little cooler--sucks at least some air from  below the car,
rather than directly from the muffler surface.

In any case make sure your muffler head shields are in place or you'll run
the risk of baking your new alternator to a premature death.

Working fine for 10+ years or so...

\\ Mark Hershey, Vin 2790, Official Computer Governor Science Experiment
Vehicle

----- Original Message -----
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Delco alternators


> Marc - the Delco alternator I noted fits a '73-'74 Pontiac Grand Am,
LeMans,
> some Firebirds, and Cad Fleetwood around 1980.  It is rated around 104
amps,
> but that seems to vary somewhat depending on who you get it from.  I
picked
> it out of a NAPA catalog that showed its physical dimensions as well as
> rating.  That's why I noted the Beck-Arnley number, as it should be
> available most anywhere.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:28:30 +0800
From: "Ian Foster" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: RHD DeLorean in Hong Kong

Hallo DMCers,

As mentioned on the List earlier in the week, I have recently become the VERY happy owner of a RHD DeLorean in Hong Kong. This brings my fleet to 2 1/2 DeLoreans!!! (a LHD stored in N.Ireland and a parts-car in Los Angeles).

If anyone has any sources of information on the history of my latest acquisition I would be very glad to receive them ... Stian in Norway et al - do you have any information on Vin# SCEDT26T7BD-00780 ?

I have just returned from a 5,103mile motorcycle ride across the USA. I didn't see a single DeLorean on my travels ... get those cars on the road more guys and gals!

Cheers,            IAN (Hong Kong)
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:37:56 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: Water Temp. & Fans

        At what temperature should the fans come on at? I don't think that mine has
ever come on since I've owned the car but I don't drive it much and have never had
and overheating problems.......until yesterday. I got it out and drove it around town 
a little when the temperature started to get a little higher than usual so I brought it 
back home and and when I got out I had a lot of coolant pouring out of my radiator.
I know that my fans weren't on when I got out and the temperature was working on 
getting about 220 degrees. I should probably invest in a fanzilla shouldn't I. Is there
and common ailments for the fans that I should check out while I'm messing with the
radiator? Hopefully my radiator can be fixed and I won't have to buy a new one. I'll see.

                                                Thanks in advance..................Jason #5903


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:19:00 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance for young driver

This one is kind of tricky to answer...
When insuring the DeLorean, you may want to put your parents on as 
the primary drivers of the car, even if you will be. If you yourself 
legaly own the car, then you will need to atleast need to put one of 
your parents on the registration (I don't belive that the title will 
be nessisary as well). If more then one name appears on the vehicle 
registration, it means that at least half of the time someone else 
will have access to the car, thus meaning if you can't drive it all 
the time, then you are only a "part time driver." Good discount here. 
Depending on you insurance companies policies, you may want to have 
another, less expensive car to insure become listed as YOUR primary 
vehicle (same dual name registration applies). Although even this can 
sometimes be odd. i.e. im 21 y/o male, but it's cheaper to insure me 
as the primary driver for a 1981 DeLorean then it is for a 1997 
Hyundai Accent! So a good deal will depend of your insurance agents 
profile of the car. Plus if your parents are willing to help out, 
they will be invaluable! At your age, you will also need to be 
careful of some insurance companies like Progressive's restrictions. 
A few years ago, Progressive wanted to charge my family an outragous 
amount to insure me, just based on age. In order to avoid the costs, 
they wanted my parents to sign an extra form that limited my coverage 
to only one car. If I was involved in an accident with any other 
vehicle then the one I was covered for, the insurance company would 
not cover anything, and I could be charged for driving with out valid 
insurance even though I sent a payment every month! Something to 
watch out for... A great deal has been written about insuring 
DeLoreans by myself and other DMLer's over the years, so the archives 
are an excellent place for information. Just remember, the agent is 
there to work for you, NOT against you. If things don't go you way 
you can always walk out of thier office because you are in control. 
If you'd like to, e-mail me privately, and I'll see what I can do to 
help you out with the agents. Good luck!

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hello List,
>     I have just started to look into insurance for my car.  Hagerty 
classic 
> car insurance has extremely CHEAP prices.(1/2 price of most)  my 
friend has 



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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: paint question

Hi everyone.. getting ready to repaint some of my
parts and i have a airbrush type tool.. was wondering
if anyone has info on paint type that would be used to
paint the black areas of the car other than black
krylon spray paint. Also my bumpers look kinda of
faded.. was wondering if there are any technics that
are usefull in freshing them up. Thanks!

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 02:01:17 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Thermo Time Switch

Can extreme heat damage a new thermo time switch? Ever since my car 
blew it's otterstat and overheated, I've had starting problems which 
have gotten progressivly worse. When the engine is cold to mild, it 
will not turn over with out swapping plugs to fire the cold start 
valve. And from here it can still take 1-2 additional cranks to get 
it going. But, if I insert a jumper wire to ground the thermo time 
wire, or if I swap the plugs BEFORE I crank the engine, the engine 
fires up in 1-2 seconds. About 10-15 seconds after the motor then 
starts to sputter untill it warms up, but I believe that this may be 
caused by a clogged Control Pressure Regulator. Although it didn't 
exceed it, the motor did reach 260 degrees when it overheated.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:04:35 -0400
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Yokohama Tire dealers

Hi,

Because of this list and checking the archives I am totally sold on
getting 4 new Yokohama tires.  One question remains...Other than
TireRack.com are there any other on-line sources people have purchased
from?  I'd like to do a quick price comparison before just ordering them
from Tire Rack.

Thanks

Tom
#05732




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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:17:00 -0400
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Re: paint question


Cliff;

As far as the bumpers, I use a product called "bumper black", I believe it's
made by McGuire's or Mothers.  The trim I use a spray paint called Black
Satin.  Not much different from Krylon truthfully.  The louvres I had more
of a problem with, as the heat from the engine and the sun would constantly
keep  bleaching them gray.  So I used black grill spray paint, it keeps it's
color up to 1000 degrees.  So far, so good.

Scott




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:21:24 -0000
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Oil Sending Unit

I bought a new oil sending unit from Wingd2"AT"aol.com who is associated 
with Mid-States Delorean Club.  The unit was sent out to me 
promptly.  I installed it and was disappointed to find that it did 
not work properly.

After several emails back and forth I returned it to Marty and he 
tested it and found it to be defective as I reported.  He replaced 
it, sent it promptly and refused to accept payment for the unit.

I do not know how you can find a more helpful, understanding, 
communcative and ethical person than Marty.  I am pleaently surprised 
and I thought that it was important to relate my positive experience 
for all to see.  I only wish more people in the business world were 
like him and maintained his style of business ethics. 

He apparently sells other products and I would recomend that all of 
you give him strong consideration for modifications and parts for 
your car.

Scot 
6452 




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 04:59:02 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean on Ebay

I replied to this person politely correcting him on his facts about 
Deloreans (I have a problem with people trying to sell a Delorean 
with mis-informed facts).  I got a reply saying he resents the lesson 
in Deloreans and that this Delorean might not be worth anything to 
a "doppy delorean fan" but is valueble to a rare autograph collector.

Erik Geerdink
4512






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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 05:10:25 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Sending Unit

My car is currently at Micah Frymans house (one of the guys in the 
Mid-State-Delorean club).  He has had it for about 2 months giving it 
a GREAT once, twice, three....times over.  (It's getting some work 
done to it that should have been done long ago).  I have been very 
pleased with the work and effort that he has put into my car so far.  
He has updated me weekly the entire time and letting me know of 
things I need to look out for.  
    I just wanted to give a public "Thank you" to Micah for offering 
to do the work on my car(he knew I needed help from reading all my 
MANY MANY postings to this list).  ANd thank you to Marty for 
creating some of the updated parts that are going into my car to make 
it that much better.  From what I know I should be getting the new 
oil pressure sensor and the SS brake lines.  
    In all, I want to thank the Mid-State-Delorean Club, particularly 
Micah Fryman for offering such great updated part (if you haven't 
checked out the website, you are missing out).  And for helping my 
car...4512...get back on the road safely.  Their website is 
www.midstatedmc.com

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:25:45 -0500
From: "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_siue.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: Aftermarket wheels

If you are looking at the same picture I am in SSI (pg.74,  front wheel),
you will probably like the wheels that Marty Maier has on his car.  You can
see them at:

 http://www.dmcnews.com/clephoto/cleveland2000_2.html

The picture is about half-way down the page, aptly titled "Marty Maier -
nice wheels."  These are the only aftermarket rims that I have ever really
liked.

Jake

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:07 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Aftermarket wheels


> While I myself love the look of the stock rims, I've only seen one
> aftermarket set that I really liked. I think there's a picture of
> them in SSI on a test mule, and in the book "Dream Maker" there's a
> set on the display chassis that JZD & the DeLorean team are sitting
> on/standing by (don't have my books availible right now). Does anyone
> know if these rims are availible for the D>>




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:32:27 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Yokohama Tire dealers

Dont forget to check your local dealers too. I got my Yoks cheaper then
Tirerack, from my local Yok dealer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Watkins Family [mailto:watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 5:05 PM
To: DMC News list
Subject: [DML] Yokohama Tire dealers


Hi,

Because of this list and checking the archives I am totally sold on
getting 4 new Yokohama tires.  One question remains...Other than
TireRack.com are there any other on-line sources people have purchased
from?  



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:57:05 -0700
From: <mikeatk_at_dml_concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Sending Unit

Scot,  I whole-heartedly agree.  As a group of limited production car
owner's we're very fortunate to have so many helpful people at our disposal.
However, Marty seems to be one of those who doesn't get much recognition for
all he's done in providing us with parts and upgrades.  I've only bought two
of Mid-States products so far myself but the service Marty provided was
great.  I'm probably leaving people out here but just had to add to Scot's
comment.

Mike Atkinson
16232



----- Original Message -----
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [DML] Oil Sending Unit


> I bought a new oil sending unit from Wingd2"AT"aol.com who is associated
> with Mid-States Delorean Club.  The unit was sent out to me
> promptly.  I installed it and was disappointed to find that it did
> not work properly.
>
> After several emails back and forth I returned it to Marty and he
> tested it and found it to be defective as I reported.  He replaced
> it, sent it promptly and refused to accept payment for the unit.
>



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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:17:09 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: paint question

I used a product called "all purpose condition and cleaner" made by 
Tannery. Works on leather, vinyl, rubber, trim, & fiberglass. Since 
applying it, the louvers have stayed dark black ever since along with 
the engine cover, windshield trim, side moldings, the rocker panels, 
spoiler, quarter panel intakes, & the under body. And it hasn't 
washed off since. Although I can't say the same for the dummy vents 
behind the doors and the side mirrors which turned gray again, and 
the ERM frame around the licence place which is so porus it just 
attracts dust anyway. But since it worked so well on the louvers 
alone, you may want to try it for a while as a substitute for 
painting.

-Robert
vin 6585

p.s. I have a white streak on my back bumper which looks like that 
stuff that meter maids rub on your tires. How can it get this stuff 
off? I know a long time ago someone else on the list had the same 
problem, how'd you fix it?




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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:50:41 +0200
From: "Fr_at_dml_nk Lommen" <j.m.s.c.lommen_at_dml_hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re:Brakes giving me problems...

I think the spring ring inside the wheel hub, has moved, so the hub and
brake-disc
have moved outwards, causing the brake disc to rub against the outer brake
pad.
When installing the new angle-drive, you probably removed these items. To
see
if this has happened, you’d have to remove the wheel, brakes and the wheel
hub.
Inside the hub you’ll find the ball bearing, kept in place by a ring, which
you can
remove with a pair of pliers. Check the groove in which it is seated for
dirt and sand.
Also check the brake disc for excessive wear. If the disc is grooved
severely, you
Should replace both discs.

Good luck !

Frank Lommen
j.m.s.c.lommen_at_dml_hccnet.nl



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:25:37 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Coolant leak.

While in the garage today, I noticed a small puddle of antifreeze on 
the ground below the engine. Going up the engine block I discovered 
that it's leaking out from behind the water pump. With a flash light 
I was able to see a tiny pool of orange coolant below/behind the 
water outlet hose on the right side. The water pump is a brand new 
genuine DeLorean part, however all of the hoses that I can see behind 
the pump look to all be original and feel soft. Going back thru the 
archives I found a posting to perform a pressure test to check where 
the leak is comming from. But anyone tell me where I would find 
the "weep hole" on the water pump to see if it's the culprit?

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:33:11 -0500
From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance for young driver

DeLorean17..........

I had a terrible time when I went to get my D. insured.  First of all, State
Farm said they wouldn't insure it no matter what.  This didn't make any
since because most other DeLorean owners I know have normal DeLorean
policies with them.  They also said they wouldn't insure Bricklin or
DeTomaso (the other two cars I was looking into then.)  I finally found the
"Classic Car" policy and had to bring it to their attention.  They
reluctantly took it.

I also looked into insuring the D. with another company--but I'd pay a
second set of premiums which is near $1,000 a year.  I'm 18, male,
unmarried, living in IL, multi-car discount, good student discount, and all
tickets have been dropped or reduced to non-moving violations.

So I put the D. on this Classic Car deal.  I have a 2,000 mile restriction
though (Odd, since I know several other people on this policy WITHOUT this
restriction.)  Anyway, it's about $134 every six months valued at $20,000.

Here's the deal on how to rig this.  The policies and cars should all be
under your parents names (preferably the one with the better record.)
You're then covered for all the cars.  Now, pick the LEAST valued car under
a normal policy and insure yourself as the PRIMARY driver of that car.  This
could be the D. if they cover it under a normal policy.

In my case, the D. was the least valued, but it wouldn't work with the
Classic Car deal.  Sooooo, I'm listed as primary driver of our 96 GMC Yukon
2-door, the second least valued car.  My insurance is near $2,000 a year on
that.  This covers me to drive any of the other cars.  My daily driver, a 93
Cadillac Allante, would be about $7,000 a year if I was insured as a primary
driver of it.  It would be $4,000 if I was put on my mother's 95 Cadillac
ETC.  You can see how it REALLY makes a difference here.

Even in the summers when we put the Yukon in storage and get out the other
two Allantes, we still keep full insurance on it because it's much cheaper
than moving me to the Eldo ETC policy.

Insurance is a crazy business..........But believe it or not, my agent is
the one who recommended the above money-saving method.

Good luck......

--Jonathan
  #000697

gatewayaag AT mindspring DOT com





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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:05:34 -0400
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Used part needed for project... please help...

Ok, someone on the list is being kind enough to donate a passenger side assembly. Does anyone have the drivers side available? I'd deeply appreciate it. Please e-mail me directly. Thank you.



Original message sent:

I'd like to get a set of headlight bracket assemblies. All I need are the brackets, and the buckets that the lights sit in. I don't want new because I'm doing something experimental to them and I don't want to hack up a new set. This project may or may not work, so if someone has a set in fair to decent condition, please contact me. I don't want to spend a lot of money on these because this is an experiment and it may not even work. If it does work, I'll make my achievement known. The first person who I will inform will be the person who supplied me with the parts I need. If it doesn't work, this topic and project will fade away........ So if you can help me, please e-mail me privately. Thank you very much.

---Dan    Danrc30"AT"hotmail.com


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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:58:56 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: Yokohama Tire dealers

I've always ordered from The Tire Rack when buying tires online, but I have
checked prices against Discount Tire:  http://www.discounttiredirect.com/

You may want to check your Yellow Pages for Yokohama dealers in your area.
Sometimes their prices are reasonable, and it can be nice to build up a
relationship with a local shop. Then again, there are some shops that I
definitely don't want a relationship with!

FWIW, I've priced tires locally and from some of the online sources before,
and Tire Rack is always among the least expensive, and usually THE least
expensive. Their service has been excellent. I've purchased 6 sets of tires
from them over the past 4 years.

Mark N
VIN 6820  (on Yokohamas from The Tire Rack)


At 05:04 PM 7/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Because of this list and checking the archives I am totally sold on
>getting 4 new Yokohama tires.  One question remains...Other than
>TireRack.com are there any other on-line sources people have purchased
>from?  I'd like to do a quick price comparison before just ordering them
>from Tire Rack.
>
>Thanks
>
>Tom
>#05732



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