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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. possible idle switch misadjustment?
From: "Richard W. Schauer" <rws_at_dml_enteract.com>

2. Early cars missing door guides (was Looking for museum car)
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>

3. DeLoreans show up in strange places...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. Re: DOOR GUIDES
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: possible idle switch misadjustment?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: possible idle switch misadjustment?
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>

7. Re: DOOR GUIDES
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: "no start" is cured
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. MSD Problems
From: "John Chavez" <jcchavez_at_dml_mindspring.com>

10. Warm-up circuit
From: tonilfhs98_at_dml_aol.com

11. Fanzilla
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>

12. New Car Show Comment
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

13. British Car Day this weekend....
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

14. Re: Installing antenna
From: "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:35:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Richard W. Schauer" <rws_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: possible idle switch misadjustment?

Hi, my name's Richard and I'm new to the list.  I just got my DeLorean
#4411 on Monday, and one thing that strikes me as suspicious is the
throttle behavior.  When you're in neutral and press very slowly down on
the accelerator, the tach sits right at idle around 900 rpm for like
1/2 inch of pedal travel.  Then I hear a soft click and the engine speeds
up to (ultimately) 2500 rpm.  Slowly releasing the pedal puts you back
down at idle.  There seems to be no in-between.  This makes starting
moving a little dicey, since you either do it at idle, or you take off
fast.  Is this normal for this car, or is it misadjusted somewhere?

Richard Schauer
rws_at_dml_enteract.com





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:19:51 -0700
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Early cars missing door guides (was Looking for museum car)

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             Knut


the door guide were dealer installed, I am pretty sure no car came from
the factory with the guides installed. 
Trevor Johnson
#6974 and soon to be 4???
http://www.geocities.com/dmc6974/
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:25:00 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: DeLoreans show up in strange places...

Ever see a DeLorean stuck on a wall?

http://www.amabilis.net/cam/indexx.html

In the upper right corner...look closely!

James



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:51 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: DOOR GUIDES

Don

The first 600 cars that left the factory did not have door guides, these
items were added as of Service Bulletin ST-14-9/81 which was issued after
the factory was notified of problems with the latching of the doors. All
cars leaving the factory after Vin 1100 were fitted with Door Latch Guides.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Looking for a DeLorean to be restored for museum use


> Dear Larry,
>
> Interesting to hear you have one of the training cars.  I really like the
> sticker.  I have one that I believe was built on the temporary "Kerksite
> (sp?)" exterior sheetmetal tooling.  It is different in several details in
> the way the metal was formed, however one striking feature is on the rear
> door latch it does not have the cast aluminum guide as is standard in the
> production units.  It has simply a rough elongated slot cut in the metal
to
> allow the body latch pin to access the rear door latch.  This is not
simply
> a matter of a missing guide casting.  Does yours have the same feature? I
> also do not have the vin # handy but it is close to yours.
>
> Best Regards,
> Donald L. Ekhoff
> ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net






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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:55:29 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: possible idle switch misadjustment?

Richard,

A 1/2 inch of pedal travel before you hear the click indicates that you may
need a throttle linkage and or idle speed microswitch adjustment.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard W. Schauer <rws_at_dml_enteract.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:35 PM
Subject: [DML] possible idle switch misadjustment?


> Hi, my name's Richard and I'm new to the list.  I just got my DeLorean
> #4411 on Monday, and one thing that strikes me as suspicious is the
> throttle behavior.  When you're in neutral and press very slowly down on
> the accelerator, the tach sits right at idle around 900 rpm for like
> 1/2 inch of pedal travel.  Then I hear a soft click and the engine speeds
> up to (ultimately) 2500 rpm.  Slowly releasing the pedal puts you back
> down at idle.  There seems to be no in-between.  This makes starting
> moving a little dicey, since you either do it at idle, or you take off
> fast.  Is this normal for this car, or is it misadjusted somewhere?
>
> Richard Schauer
> rws_at_dml_enteract.com





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 00 18:08:48 +0100
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>
Subject: Re: possible idle switch misadjustment?

On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:35:26 -0500 (CDT), Richard W. Schauer wrote:

>Hi, my name's Richard and I'm new to the list.  I just got my DeLorean
>#4411 on Monday, and one thing that strikes me as suspicious is the
>throttle behavior.  When you're in neutral and press very slowly down on
>the accelerator, the tach sits right at idle around 900 rpm for like
>1/2 inch of pedal travel.  Then I hear a soft click and the engine speeds
>up to (ultimately) 2500 rpm.  Slowly releasing the pedal puts you back
>down at idle.  There seems to be no in-between.  This makes starting
>moving a little dicey, since you either do it at idle, or you take off
>fast.  Is this normal for this car, or is it misadjusted somewhere?

Hi Richard,

My #17115 does roughly what you describe. However the behaviour goes
away when the engine warms up. The engine then responds very well to
the accelerator. It takes around 10 to 15 minutes to warm up, so
usually I start the car, clean off the childrens fingerprints with
cleaning alcohol and then drive the car.

Sacha






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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:59:17 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: DOOR GUIDES

Trevor,

All cars leaving the factory after Vin 1100 were fitted with Door Latch
Guides.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor Johnson <comet6974_at_dml_juno.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: [DML] Early cars missing door guides (was Looking for museum car)


>
> the door guide were dealer installed, I am pretty sure no car came from
> the factory with the guides installed.
> Trevor Johnson
> #6974 and soon to be 4???
> http://www.geocities.com/dmc6974/






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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:01:32 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: "no start" is cured

Wayne,

Happy to hear about solving your battery problem. I thought I might comment
on your comment that:

"The mechanic says even my "Ducey goosey" alternator is charging
just fine (!)"

Just a word of caution: when the Ducellier alternator is ready to die it
will give no warning. The Ducellier alternator is rated at 80 amps
continuous, the DeLorean electrical system can draw in excess of 90 amps at
full load (all accessories switched on). The system will surge higher than
that especially when the cooling fans kick in unless equipped with a
Fanzilla.

Just like a fuse, when the Ducellier is overloaded it will just stop
working. Keep in mind that heat is also a big factor.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: [DML] "no start" is cured


> Thanks to all who offered cures to my "it suddenly wouldn't start, just
> grunts" problem.  I was skeptical of those who pointed at the battery
since
> it's a Diehard Gold less than a year and a half old, plus it didn't
gradually
> weaken.  And being a daily driver, it knew didn't die in storage.  But
hey,
> you guys were right!  Dead cell.  and to think I blamed my D's
electrical!
> Poor baby!  The mechanic says even my "Ducey goosey" alternator is
charging
> just fine (!)  Not a "De Lorean problem," it's a SEARS problem!
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -Wayne
> "Living the dream!"
> 11174






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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:42:29 -0000
From: "John Chavez" <jcchavez_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: MSD Problems

Hello,

Just purchased my first D a couple of weeks ago and I'm trying to 
install an MSD 6A box with a Blaster 2 Coil. Problem is I have 
installed  3 different boxes and they only last for about 5 to 8 
minutes each, then they just die. I'm also using the MSD-8910HV (tach 
adapter)and the original(Delorean) ICU to trigger the 6A. MSD has no 
clue as to what may be causing this problem and I'm just about to 
give up on MSD.

Has anyone been able to successfully install one of these?...
What's the trick?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks !!

John
15745







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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:55:44 EDT
From: tonilfhs98_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Warm-up circuit

To all,
When my D is warming up from a cold start.  The  engine idles up and down 
like someone is playing with the gas paddle.  I was told that is normal and 
Ds are designed to do that.  My question is why?  I do not know of any other 
car that behave that way.  There must be a reason as to why it was designed 
like that. Anyone? Thanks
Bill Kwan
#2157



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:19:17 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_netusa1.net>
Subject: Fanzilla

            First I would like to thank evryone who has ever responded to my 
problems that I have posted. I'm still a fairly new Delorean owner and am 
still catching on to the whole "experience" of owning the car. One of these
days I might be able help someone else out. For now I have another question.

           I posted a problem last week about my radiator getting a hole in it when
my cars started to overheat and my fans weren't on when I stopped the car. I
will be purchasing a Fanzilla in the next couple of weeks but I was wondering if
that is going to solve my problem with the fans not coming on. My take of the 
fanzilla was that it just reduces the sudden drop in voltage when the car is driven 
with the a/c on and when the fans kick on. What should be the first thing that I 
check with the fans to see why they are not coming on? I know that they are plugged
in at the fans so I know that's not the problem. Could it be the relay? How can I tell 
if a relay goes bad? My fan fail light has never come on either. Any ideas or  suggestions?
Would a fanzilla take car of this? 

            I don't like to drive with a/c in any car but I did try it once in the DeLorean and turned it 
off after about 5 minutes because I was getting real annoyed with the compressor kicking 
on all the time. I will still buy a fanzilla reguardless. I just want to check to see if there is anything
that I should check before I put the radiator and fans back in the car this weekend.

               Thanks for all the help. I really appreciate evryones comments............Jason


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:57:35 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: New Car Show Comment

Well, it looks like the BTTF car show comments may be about to get behind
us. I had my car at the local "cruise night" car show tonight, and a kid
about 7 years old came up and said "Hey look - it's the car from "The
Wedding Singer"".  We still got a few flux capacitor jokes though <<sigh>>,
but we really thought it was nice to hear something new.

Dave Swingle





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:33:14 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: British Car Day this weekend....


Hello All,

   This weekend at The Museum of Transportation in Brookline, Mass, is
having a  British Car Day.  Since I live very close to the Museum, I called
the coordinator of the event, and it went something like this:

Me:  I'm interested in bringing my car to the event this weekend, but it is
debatable if it qualifies as "British".
Him:  Does it leak oil?
Me:  No.
Him:  Well, can't be British, then.

But once I told him it was a Delorean, he was happy to include my car in the
show.  He even mentioned that he used to live right down the road from
Delorean One in CA, but hasn't seen a D in years. (He seemed surprised that
there was a shop devoted entirely to Deloreans - I enlightened him that
there are several across the country)   There are going to be between 150
and 200 other cars there this weekend (see
http://www.mot.org/museum_home.htm for more info).

--> BUT I DO NEED A BIG FAVOR from anyone who has shown their car at a show
like this.. I would like to put together a "fact sheet" that I can
distribute or leave on the car to answer all the likely questions.  Does
anyone have the basic facts already assembled, like I saw at Cleveland on
many cars?  If so, could you please, please email what you have, so I can
put something simple together before Sunday.  (I'm thinking simple 8.5x11
photocopied sheets).

Finally, I just want to say that I've had my car for about six weeks now,
and it is just a total joy to drive, every single minute.  The weather here
has been perfect - bright, sunny, not to hot.. I couldn't be happier with
this fine automobile.  Just wanted to share...

Thanks in advance,

-Hank Eskin  #1619




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:18:41 +0200
From: "Ralf Philipp" <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>
Subject: Re: Installing antenna


> Hello,
>     I am installing a aftermarket power antenna on my car.  I have one
> question.  It says "connect the blue wire from the antenna to power
antenna
> wire from radio(usually blue) using quick connector provided"  does anyone
> know which color wire it is on a DeLorean Craig radio?

Dave,

I don't know the color at the moment, but the wire is easy to find:
It's the single wire with the single round connector crimped to it.

Ralf
VIN10284




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