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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Warm-up circuit
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

2. Re: Installing antenna
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: DOOR GUIDES
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

4. internal engine cleaning
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. BMW gullwing
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: "no start" is cured
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Warm-up circuit
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Installing antenna
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. RE: British Car Day this weekend....
From: Declan Kelly <declan_at_dml_seagreentech.com>

10. Delorean storage question
From: nskalsky_at_dml_remc4.k12.mi.us

11. Soft Brakes
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: internal engine cleaning
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

13. Re: How can it be a Ducellier?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

14. RE: Fanzilla
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

15. Re: Warm-up circuit
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

16. Re: "no start" is cured
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

17. Engine compartment cleaning?
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

18. Re: BMW gullwing
From: bigbenb84_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:03:22 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Warm-up circuit

> When my D is warming up from a cold start.  The  engine idles up and down
> like someone is playing with the gas paddle.
>I do not know of any other  car that behave that way.

Two of my cars (a 1992 Volkswagen Corrado G60 and 1995 BMW 325i) do the
identical thing.   I can't answer "why", but it is normal, and happens with
other vehicles.

-Hank






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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:19:12 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Installing antenna

In a message dated 7/14/00 2:15:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, doc.brown_at_dml_web.de 
writes:

<< I don't know the color at the moment, but the wire is easy to find:
 It's the single wire with the single round connector crimped to it.
  >>
  Dave,

        The color of the wire that connects to the automatic antenna on the 
craig radio is pink, its all by itself and it has a female connector crimped 
to it.  Hope that helps.

Later,
Nick
1852



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:08:06 -0700
From: Hank Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: DOOR GUIDES

Joe,

Better check that Service Bulletin again. Service Action SA-0005
states that there were 2 door latch guide kits: W300003 for cars up to
VIN 1100 and W300004 for cars after. (My car, VIN 1141 needed the
W300004 kit to add the guides that were NOT installed by the factory)
The SA implies (but does not specifically state) that cars up to VIN
3000 are affected. Since VIN 3000 is an August 1981 build and the
bulletin was issued in September, the timing is about right.

Hank Breer


DMC Joe wrote:
> 
> Don
> 
> The first 600 cars that left the factory did not have door guides, these
> items were added as of Service Bulletin ST-14-9/81 which was issued after
> the factory was notified of problems with the latching of the doors. All
> cars leaving the factory after Vin 1100 were fitted with Door Latch Guides.
> <Snip>



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:55:37 GMT
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: internal engine cleaning

has anyone had there engine flushed out w/a machine that is deisigned to get 
the goop out of the engine.

I have a high mileage engine and based on the goop i have seen on the bottom 
of the oil filler cap have been considering having this internal engine 
cleaning done to my vehicle.

my cocern is I dont know anyone who has had there engine flushed like this 
and this service cost $200. I dont want to pay for this if it is not going 
to do anything. I was also considering switching over to sythetic type oil 
and i had heard a rumour that it is recommended that you have your engined 
flushed first before switching a engine over from stardanrd oil to 
synthetic.

does anyone have any experience w/this?

thanks in advance,
dr c.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:17:56 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: BMW gullwing

There is another gullwing that might make it into production.

In the new Sports Car Int. magazine, there is a new BMW Z9 concept with four 
gullwing doors. It looks like two, but then you notice that the one open is 
split.

John Feldman



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:40:47 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: "no start" is cured

In a message dated 7/13/00 10:54:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com writes:

<<  The mechanic says even my "Ducey goosey" alternator is charging 
 just fine (!)  Not a "De Lorean problem," it's a SEARS problem!
 
 Thanks again!
 
 -Wayne
 "Living the dream!"
 11174 >>

Wayne,

  I was just curious...how did you manage to get a Ducellier alternator on 
your car if they stopped the Ducellier alternator at VIN# 4539?  I don't 
think that they would have installed that alternator at one of the QAC's when 
they found out that they were so under powered.  Are you sure that you don't 
have the Motorola alternator on there?  Maybe thats why it didn't fail "yet." 
 Just a thought.

Later,
Nick
1852



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:40:31 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Warm-up circuit

Unfortunately there is no simple explanation for this behavior which is
normal to the Bosch K-Jetronic C.I.S. fuel injection system and Lambda
emissions system. If you would like to know the details of what causes this
behavior go to the DeLorean workshop manual and read D:04:08 through
D:04:10.

Note the "action circle" chart at D:04:10, the idle speed circuit interacts
with this cycling action which causes the idle regulator to vary or cycle
during
warm-up.

Keep in mind that this fuel injection system which was originally designed
in the mid 70's and was one of the first fuel systems to use electronics for
engine control. In later versions (KE, L, and LH) of the Bosch fuel systems
more sophisticated electronics help to maintain a more constant idle during
warm-up.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: <tonilfhs98_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:55 PM
Subject: [DML] Warm-up circuit


> To all,
> When my D is warming up from a cold start.  The  engine idles up and down
> like someone is playing with the gas paddle.  I was told that is normal
and
> Ds are designed to do that.  My question is why?  I do not know of any
other
> car that behave that way.  There must be a reason as to why it was
designed
> like that. Anyone? Thanks
> Bill Kwan
> #2157
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:32:38 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Installing antenna

Dave,

Here is a link to the connection wiring diagram for the ASI radio
http://www.geocities.com/dmcjoe/dmcjoe2.html

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ralf Philipp <doc.brown_at_dml_web.de>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Installing antenna


>
> > Hello,
> >     I am installing a aftermarket power antenna on my car.  I have one
> > question.  It says "connect the blue wire from the antenna to power
> antenna
> > wire from radio(usually blue) using quick connector provided"  does
anyone
> > know which color wire it is on a DeLorean Craig radio?
>
> Dave,
>
> I don't know the color at the moment, but the wire is easy to find:
> It's the single wire with the single round connector crimped to it.
>
> Ralf
> VIN10284
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:36:47 -0400
From: Declan Kelly <declan_at_dml_seagreentech.com>
Subject: RE: British Car Day this weekend....

Hi Hank
	If you follow this link http://dmcnews.com/files.html there
	is a file called "Window Sticker", Fill it out and print it on 
	a good printer. Try to use heavy paper. It really looks great
	and everyone who looks at the D will read it. I hope this helps.
	And don't worry your car will be the biggest attraction.

	

	Question: Are D's English or Irish.
	P.S. Delorean Cars Where Built In Twinbrook N.Ireland. So the real
	question is, "Is N.Ireland "Irish" or "British". Well I lived their
	for most my life. IT'S IRISH. And it will always be Irish no matter
	what England says.


Thanks Declan.
	


-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Eskin [mailto:heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:33 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] British Car Day this weekend....



Hello All,

   This weekend at The Museum of Transportation in Brookline, Mass, is
having a  British Car Day.  Since I live very close to the Museum, I called
the coordinator of the event, and it went something like this:

Me:  I'm interested in bringing my car to the event this weekend, but it is
debatable if it qualifies as "British".
Him:  Does it leak oil?
Me:  No.
Him:  Well, can't be British, then.

But once I told him it was a Delorean, he was happy to include my car in the
show.  He even mentioned that he used to live right down the road from
Delorean One in CA, but hasn't seen a D in years. (He seemed surprised that
there was a shop devoted entirely to Deloreans - I enlightened him that
there are several across the country)   There are going to be between 150
and 200 other cars there this weekend (see
http://www.mot.org/museum_home.htm for more info).

--> BUT I DO NEED A BIG FAVOR from anyone who has shown their car at a show
like this.. I would like to put together a "fact sheet" that I can
distribute or leave on the car to answer all the likely questions.  Does
anyone have the basic facts already assembled, like I saw at Cleveland on
many cars?  If so, could you please, please email what you have, so I can
put something simple together before Sunday.  (I'm thinking simple 8.5x11
photocopied sheets).

Finally, I just want to say that I've had my car for about six weeks now,
and it is just a total joy to drive, every single minute.  The weather here
has been perfect - bright, sunny, not to hot.. I couldn't be happier with
this fine automobile.  Just wanted to share...

Thanks in advance,

-Hank Eskin  #1619





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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:55:56 -0000
From: nskalsky_at_dml_remc4.k12.mi.us
Subject: Delorean storage question

I'm still looking for the "right" delorean, right now I'm looking at
a 
1981' with the gas flap and sport stripes.  it has 7,500miles.  it
has 
been in storage since 1992, heated facility.  the owner is replacing 
the fuel pump and has ordered a fuel system kit.  besides the fuel 
system, what else should I look at mechanicly that long term storage 
may have inflicked?  he is asking for about 14,800, well within my 
budget but I'm wondering how much would I might be sinking into it to 
turn it into a summer, weekend car? Thanks in advance!!

            - Nate Skalsky, MI




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:08:01 EDT
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Soft Brakes

I was driving my D the other day.  A couple of times the pedal went all the 
way to the floor.  Then it seemed to be fine again.  I checked the normal 
probable causes...fluid, etc..  I also had the brake fluid flushed recently.  
Anyone had a similar problem.  I would think if the master cylinder was bad 
it would be occuring all the time not just once in a while.

Gary



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:44:56 -0700
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Re: internal engine cleaning

Yes...don't do this unless your sure your engine has no leaks!  I had this done
to my high mileage Honda and the day after I got it back the engine died (on
the highway!) because flushing it out opened up some previously unnoticed
wounds at the gaskets.
    The car ran fine beforehand, but the Valvoline guys seemed so sure that
doing this would improve the car's overall performance.  It took me almost a
month and a half to properly reclog the openings with "goop" again!  after I
did the engine ran like new for another 4 years before I finally had it fixed
correctly.
    Josh
    VIN 5102
    VIN 15964


doctor who wrote:

> has anyone had there engine flushed out w/a machine that is deisigned to get
> the goop out of the engine.

> does anyone have any experience w/this?
>
> thanks in advance,
> dr c.




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:29:04 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: How can it be a Ducellier?

In a message dated 7/14/00 10:40:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, njp548_at_dml_aol.com 
writes:

<< how did you manage to get a Ducellier alternator on 
 your car if they stopped the Ducellier alternator at VIN# 4539?  I don't 
 think that they would have installed that alternator at one of the QAC's 
when 
 they found out that they were so under powered.  Are you sure that you don't 
 have the Motorola alternator on there?  >>

Yeah, that's why I figured that, having an '82, no way I'd have the original 
style alternator.  My car was made just days before the company went into 
receivership.  All I can figure is, maybe at a QAC they had a problem with 
the unit and swapped it with another car on hand, or a unit on the shelf.  
I'm the third owner...who knows,  maybe a prior repairman replaced the 
motorola with the cheaper of the two available styles.  Even today, you can 
buy a new Duc. if you want one. I dunno. But I've seen the label on it with 
my own eyes, to my dismay.

-Wayne
11174



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:28:21 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Fanzilla



Jason,
If you lost some of your coolant with the hole in the radiator, you most
likely got air in the cooling system. This will stop the water pump from
circulating the coolant and with the temp switch being on the return line,
it will not heat up enough to turn the fans on. Fix the leak, refill with
coolant, bleed the system of any trapped air and all should be good.
Robert Starling
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:48:25 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Warm-up circuit



The DeLorean's engine uses a mechanical fuel injection system that was
designed years before anyone worried about emissions. Bosch employed an
interim fix until their elecronic fuel injection was ready to market. This
was accomplished by adapting the Lamba system ( which I belive the folks at
Saab devised ) to their Jetronic injection system. It was then called the
K-Jetronic system. The oxygen sensor used, along with the ECU unit and
various other engine sensors were pretty basic. The oxygen sensor is
unheated and relies on exhaust gases to get it up to temperature. When it's
cold it isn't sending  the right voltage signal to the ECU so the engine ,
actually the frequency valve, is receiving a signal from the ECU that causes
it to hunt for the right fuel mix. As the exhaust gases bring the O2 sensor
up to temperature things smooth out. Modern cars heat the O2 sensor
electrically right at start up so the fuel mix gets to the Stoichiometric
mix of about 14.1 to 1 very quickly.

Bruce Benson

>To all,
>When my D is warming up from a cold start.  >The  engine idles up and down
>like someone is playing with the gas paddle.  >I was told that is normal
and
>Ds are designed to do that.  My question is >why?  I do not know of any
other
>car that behave that way.  There must be a >reason as to why it was
designed
>like that. Anyone? Thanks
>Bill Kwan
>#2157









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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:35 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: "no start" is cured

In a message dated 7/14/00 12:45:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net 
writes:

<< The Ducellier alternator is rated at 80 amps
 continuous, >>

Joe-  (& List)
Took my D to Sears for the free replacement battery this afternoon.  Hooking 
up the tester, Sears said they think the alternator is the problem, it isn't 
charging the battery.  My mechanic told me yesterday, looking at HIS tester,  
that the BATTERY is the problem, therefore the alternator, which he said is 
fine, can't charge it fully.  What gives?  They both said the alternator 
seems to be putting out about 13 amps or a little less with the motor 
running.  They differ over whether that is "just fine" or "poor."The usually 
gauge reads at about "8 o'clock" sometimes below the lower middle line.  That 
looks low to me. Lower than before a/c season.  :(    I'm a daily driver but 
most of my driving is under 10 minutes.  It's a small town.  Sears is 
charging the battery overnight to see if it is really the problem.  I'll be 
interested to see who wins this "finger pointing" contest!

-Wayne
11174



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:53:25 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Engine compartment cleaning?


Hello All,

  Can someone please outline some simple pointers to cleaning the engine
compartment?  I'm not looking for concours level/white-glove level cleaning,
but something to make it pretty and presentable for a local car show this
weekend.  Lots of the cars at Cleveland had awesome looking engine
compartments.   Please email: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net   Many thanks in
advance!

-Hank   #1619





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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:55:20 EDT
From: bigbenb84_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: BMW gullwing

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Because the followups to this post generally don't relate directly to DeLoreans (discussions of the merits of BMW autos don't belong in the DeLorean group), the followups have been dropped. When posting, please keep in mind that postings to DMCNews should relate directly to DeLorean the man, car, and company.


<< In the new Sports Car Int. magazine, there is a new BMW Z9 concept with 
four 
 gullwing doors. It looks like two, but then you notice that the one open is 
 split. >>

          In the June/July issue of that magazine on the inside back cover is 
a DeLorean. It's an advertisement for "e-bay.com KRUSE international 9th 
annual Auburn Spring Motorfair"- It's an auction.



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