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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Help!!! (Insurance)
From: jimmuc_at_dml_aol.com

2. Broken Shift Linkage
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. Re: Oil Filter + Oil
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

4. Re: Blue Fan Fail Module
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Broken Shift Linkage
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Broken Shift Linkage
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

7. Re: Oil Filter + Oil
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

8. DeLorean Car Show Graceland
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

9. The Delorean Fall Foliage Tour
From: "Michael DeLuca" <mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com>

10. RE: Re: Oil Filter + Oil
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

11. State Farm Insurance - LONG (Really long)
From: jdsjlv_at_dml_aol.com

12. Insurance
From: SEDeLorean_at_dml_aol.com

13. DeLorean for sale (again)
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Newark NJ / New York trip
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

15. Steering Column help
From: "Jared Williams" <actually_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

16. Re: Insurance saga continues...Additional Help needed...
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

17. Re: Insurance saga continues...Additional Help needed...
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>

18. Re-Insurance Problems
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

19. Re: Steering Column help
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>

20. Tripin' Cooling Fans and Fanzilla
From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>

21. stupid question...
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

22. "Hot Wheels" type DeLoreans
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

23. Gone for awhile.
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>

24. Theft Survey.. just curious
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

25. Strange hesitation
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:57:59 EDT
From: jimmuc_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Help!!! (Insurance)

But keep in mind that GEICO determines fault(in an accident) by the police 
report and not by the driver. 
-Jimmy



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:04:42 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Broken Shift Linkage

On the way home in traffic today I had problems shifting from 1st 
gear into second. I've had this problem before, and I've cured it by 
spraying the shift linkage with WD-40 to lubricate it. For the past 
week the problem appeared to have returned, but I hadn't had time yet 
to lube everything. Anyhow, it got to the point where I was unable to 
shift from 1st to 2nd at all. While accelerating from a stop this 
happened again, so I used a bit more force to get it into 2nd. It 
went in, but with a LOUD clunk! When I shifted again there was no 
resistance at all forward and aft. Left and right seems ok, and the 
cable looks to still be in place. But when I move the gearlever 
forward and back, it sounds like the front gearchange tube is 
scraping across the bottom of the chassis. First off, has anyone else 
here had this type of problem before? Second, could it jest be that 
the nut on the adjustable gear tube has just come loose, or is it 
probable that the bolt may have been stripped? (I hope the bolt on 
the relay lever isn't broken!) Since I just got home now, I havent 
yet had the chance to get under the car to inspect the linkage 
(Farmers Insurace Tow Service took 5 hours to send a truck out to 
me!!!).

-Robert
vin 6585 (the DeLorean from hell!)




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:17:08 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Filter + Oil

To do a quick check for the oil filter to see if it will fit your 
car, look at the rubber seal. The thinner filter that fits will have 
the rubber right up next to the edge. The wider one will have a gap 
between the rubber and the edge. In order to get the wider filter to 
fit you'll need to bend the oil pressure sending unit. Not really 
something you want to do.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 03:47:54 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Blue Fan Fail Module

Richard,

As an electronic technician you will notice by my description that the Fan
Fail Module is a relatively simple device. If you have a workshop manual go
to M:18:19, the entire cooling fan circuit is located at the upper right of
the schematic wiring diagram.

The design concept of the Fan Fail relay is nothing more than a device that
would sense excessive current draw from one of the two cooling fans and
switch on the "Fan Fail" warning light to inform the driver of a possible
problem with one of the cooling fans. It is normal for the warning lamp to
illuminate for a second or two whenever the fans switch on. There are two
problems with the relay and the circuit design.

Problem one: the 12v supply for both fans go through the relay.
Problem two: the cooling fan current draw exceeds the current rating of the
relay.
Result: the relay will eventually overheat and melt down. When this happens
not only does the Fan Fail warning light cease to operate, so do the cooling
fans. This could lead to engine overheating possibly causing permanent
damage to the engine block.

There are several temporary fixes but the best and easiest to install item
is the
Fanzilla.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard W. Schauer <rws_at_dml_enteract.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:29 PM
Subject: [DML] Blue Fan Fail Module


> Hi all,
> I'm getting to know my car better (it's been 8 days now) and one thing I
> noticed is that I still have the blue Pektron fan fail module
> installed.  Whenever my fans come on, the light comes on too.
> 1.) Would this more likely be a fan problem or a module problem?  (I think
> I know the answer to this)
> 2.) In what manner does the module fail?  Does the light stay on when the
> fans are running, or do the fans come on all the time, or not at all, or
> what?
> 3.) I'm an electronic technician in real life, and I can't imagine that
> the electronics in this module that's smaller than an egg can be that
> complicated.  Has anyone ever fixed one?  What's in it?
> 4.) If it does fail interminably, where does the 3-legged jumper wire go
> exactly?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Schauer
> #4411
>




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:24:36 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Broken Shift Linkage

Robert, The WD40 will wash away the grease needed uner the shifter boot it's 
only 5% oil and won't stay around long. I use wheel bearing grease. It won't 
melt down due to heat and it will stay with the parts. If you can, take it 
apart, clean it down then grease it up good. That will take care of the top. 
Naturally look for worn parts to replace. Then, There is a sleeved bolt 
underneath the car that the shifting linkage swivles on. This bolt could have 
been replaced with a straight bolt and could be causing the problem. Again, 
replace if necessary, clean and regrease. You may need to get another person 
to mess wift the shifter while your underneath looking. Then futher back is 
the adjustments. Clean and grease. I have done this to three cars and they 
worked out fine.
John
11004     



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:29:54 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Broken Shift Linkage

Cable?  It has been some time since I worked on this area of the car,
but as I recall the DeLorean uses a rod shifter.

I had a shift failure a few years back, where I went to shift and heard
a loud bang.  The stick became very loose and I could not shift.  After
the car was towed home, I got under it and found that the pivot bolt on
the shift linkage had snapped.  I got a new bolt at Pep Boys, and used
some washers to try and simulate the shoulder on the stock bolt.  It got
the car back up and running.  Then a call to PJ grady for a new
"correct" bolt with the shoulder.

I was lucky, as the bolt broke such that I could get it out easily.


Robert Rooney wrote:
> 
> On the way home in traffic today I had problems shifting from 1st
> gear into second. I've had this problem before, and I've cured it by
> spraying the shift linkage with WD-40 to lubricate it. For the past
> week the problem appeared to have returned, but I hadn't had time yet
> to lube everything. Anyhow, it got to the point where I was unable to
> shift from 1st to 2nd at all. While accelerating from a stop this
> happened again, so I used a bit more force to get it into 2nd. It
> went in, but with a LOUD clunk! When I shifted again there was no
> resistance at all forward and aft. Left and right seems ok, and the
> cable looks to still be in place. But when I move the gearlever
> forward and back, it sounds like the front gearchange tube is
> scraping across the bottom of the chassis. First off, has anyone else
> here had this type of problem before? Second, could it jest be that
> the nut on the adjustable gear tube has just come loose, or is it
> probable that the bolt may have been stripped? (I hope the bolt on
> the relay lever isn't broken!) Since I just got home now, I havent
> yet had the chance to get under the car to inspect the linkage



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:32:40 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Filter + Oil

I have been told that the DeLorean needs good oil flow, and the Purflux
filter design has better flow than most of the other filters.  Some of
the other filters sacrifice flow in order to keep the pressure up.  I
dont know if this is good for the DeLorean.

"Tom Watkins watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net" wrote:

> I've been searching the archive for about 45 minutes and cannot find
> one listing regarding cross over Oil Filters!  My car came with
> several Purflux filters so I didn't need to buy one but I'm now at a
> point where I need to.  I know some are a bit large but I used to use
> Frams on my first car with no problem.  I just can't recall the
> filter number.  Anyone have any concerns about Mobil One filters?
> Any thoughts about Fram or the "Tough Guard" Fram filter?.
>



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:25:35 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Graceland

Just and update on rooms for Graceland.
 
Although they tried real hard for me,  Graceland will be unable to accept 
registrations until June 16th 2001.   Their system is set up for one year in 
advance and they thought they could bump that to two years but I was informed 
yesterday that they can't.  They quoted the prices however and the rates will 
be good unless they notify us of a change so it looks like we are locked in 
for at least a year plus.

What is available is the following and this will be listed later this year on 
the web page.

All room costs do not include tax

for June 13-15 2002

4 theme Suites & King rooms _at_dml_ $469.95 per night
5 Executive King Suites _at_dml_ $109.95 per night
10 King Rooms _at_dml_ 89.95 per night 
47 King Suites _at_dml_ 109.95 per night
4 Queen, Queen Basic _at_dml_ $89.00 per night
9 Queen Queen Deluxe _at_dml_ $89.00 per night 
21 Queen Queen _at_dml_ $89.00 per night 

June 12th 2002
10 King suites

June16th 2002
5 King suites

Remember  Room reservations can be made starting JUNE 16th 2001

Ken




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:31:42 -0000
From: "Michael DeLuca" <mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com>
Subject: The Delorean Fall Foliage Tour

The Delorean Fall Foliage Tour October 20-22 looks like it could be 
the biggest Delorean event in the Northeast this year!
So far DeLorean's from 7 states will be participating (PA, NJ, NY,
CT,RI, NH and MA).
It only cost $35 per person to register, which includes a complete 
dinner,followed by a tech session back at the hotel with Rob Grady as 
the guest speaker. I have arranged for a special hotel rate of $90.75 
per night at the Pleasant View in right on the ocean 1-800 782-3224 
see http://www.pvinn.com/ (you must mention the Delorean group to get 
the special rate). For more details and a copy of the Itinerary go to 
http://hometown.aol.com/delorean31/fall.html
If you are interested in participating in this event please contact
me privately at mdeluca_at_dml_comtechpst.com 
Also if you are going to or think you are going to participate you 
should reserve your hotel room as soon as possible, it cost nothing
to reserve the room and you can always cancel the reservation (at no
cost with notice by Oct 6th).
 
Regards,
 
Mike D.







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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:02:32 -0400
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Oil Filter + Oil



Robert said,
In order to get the wider filter to
fit you'll need to bend the oil pressure sending unit. Not really
something you want to do.
-----------------------------------------------------------

NO NO NO!!!!!!
You don't have to bend anything to use the larger filter. Don't take a short
cut like that, do the job correctly. You can buy a brass fitting that will
create the desired angle of the oil sending unit so that it will not make
contact with the larger oil filter. Make sure that you use a brass adapter,
as steel will cause damage to the aluminum casing. You can get the brass
fitting at most auto parts stores.

I use the Volvo oil filter, which is a larger filter. This filter has the
needed pressure valve, that traps the oil in the filter when the engine is
shut off. This valve prevents engine wear on start up. Remember that the oil
filter sits in a side ways position and the oil in a filter, with out the
valve, will run out when the engine is shut off. Which means, upon engine
start, you have no oil going to the engine, until the filter is supplied
with oil again. (If the oil filter does not read on the side of the casing
that it has the pressure valve, most likely it does not have one in it.)

The Volvo oil filter cost $9 and some change and an oil change , which
includes the filter is $24.99. Well worth the price. (You may have to supply
the tool for the drain plug.)

Robert Starling,
Vin#05252





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:20:11 EDT
From: jdsjlv_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: State Farm Insurance - LONG (Really long)

Dear List:

I live in Connecticut and a few months back I noticed a sign that said that 
State Farm was back in Connecticut and issuing new policies. I decided to 
call and get quotes on two cars, the DeLorean and my first home. I was amazed 
at how great the quotes were and decided to sign on. I have the DeLorean 
insured as a part time use vehicle, with restrictions of 2,500 miles/year. 
All was well until this past Monday...

I received a certified letter in the mail stating that my policy would be 
canceled as of August 29, 2000, and the reason was, and I will quote, "This 
risk is ineligible due to the type of vehicle." I was furious, although I 
knew that I had the bargaining power of a few policies that I was sure they 
didn't want to loose. I immediately called the auto underwriter, who was the 
same person that signed the letter and asked him what the heck was going on. 
He first started by saying that the DeLorean was too much of a risk for them 
to insure (I thought that is what an insurance company did, insure a risk). I 
asked him what he based his decision on. He told me that for starters, the 
parts availability was scarce and that if there was a claim, it would be 
difficult to get the car repaired and it would cost them too much. Before he 
finished, I stopped him in mid sentence and said "...this is exactly what all 
underwriters, including yourself, don't understand about the DeLorean." I 
proceeded to tell him about the parts warehouse in Ohio and the estimated 20 
year supply of parts they had. I also told him that there were at least 2 
major service centers in California, the new DeLorean Motor Company in 
Houston, which controls the parts warehouse, another repair facility in Ohio 
and P. J.  Grady in Long Island, not to mention some of the others like 
Darryl Tinnerstet and DMC Joe, all of which stock parts. His response was 
"Ohh...uhh...I wasn't aware of that." I also said that parts prices and labor 
rates were not all that much in comparison to German cars and many high end 
vehicles. He then cut in and said that beyond that, there are many gray 
market vehicles coming into the United States and that this didn't sit well 
with State Farm. At that point I ripped into him and said "...again, this is 
what most underwriters don't understand, including yourself. The DeLorean was 
designed for the US market and that approx. 90% were shipped to the US and 
that there is no gray market for the vehicle." I went on to further explain 
that at this time, many vehicles are being sold to people in Europe, 
Australia, Asia, etc., and that most of those vehicles need conversion for 
THEIR markets, since DOT laws are different here in the US. Again, he was 
perplexed. He then started by saying that if something were to happen to my 
car, like a fire, etc., and they had to replace and repair most of the 
vehicle, it would cost more than it was worth. I told him that that statement 
didn't make much sense, but if that was the case, wouldn't the insurance 
company then "total" the car and reimburse me the stated value? He began to 
double talk and said..."well, uhh, I guess that's not a good example." Before 
he said anything more, I said "power, want to talk about that?" I told him 
that the car didn't have much power for a sports car, that any new 4 cylinder 
car could eat my car for breakfast. "Safety, how about that? Did you know 
that the DeLorean was rated one of the safest (if not the safest) car in 
1981. Theft? O.K., these cars are rarely stolen because if it was, how would 
you be able to take it any where or ship it to another country, without 
drawing attention?" I didn't say to him that the DeLorean never gets broken 
into, but it is at risk like each and every vehicle on the road today 
(actually, now that I think of it, who would break into a DeLorean for 
anything of value like GPS, or air bags, etc., since most, if any, don't even 
have those devices, especially and air bag?) and again he sounded dumbfounded 
on the phone.

I told him that if he needed any type of documentation on parts availability, 
prices, repair facilities, etc., to let me know and I would supply him with 
what ever he needed. I told him that he should get his facts together before 
making the decision to cancel my DeLorean policy, especially since this 
cancellation would affect the other policies I had with State Farm and I 
wouldn't stand for such a flagrant decision on his part or State Farms' 
either. I asked him if State Farm insured other DeLoreans in the US and he 
said they did, but only as an addition to an existing policy, not for new 
policy holders. He went on to say that because my rep was new and State Farm 
just came back into Connecticut, that my agent wasn't aware of that policy. I 
told him that it wasn't my fault that the agent didn't know that and why 
should I be the one to loose out on the whole deal?

He told me he would reevaluate the policy, speak with my agent and his office 
people and get back to me on Tuesday. Just as he said, he called on Tuesday 
and said that he was sorry for the misunderstanding and that he "will rescind 
the cancellation of my policy and would include a note in my file regarding 
our conversation and will make sure this doesn't happen in the future." 
Safely said, I will not hear about this issue again. I asked him if he wanted 
that documentation and he said that he didn't, though he would like to send 
out the agent so he could take a few pictures and gather some info on the 
car. 

I have had more trouble insuring my car than I would have ever expected. 
Progressive was charging an arm and a leg, and Allstate wanted a small 
fortune. Hagerty would not accept my application because at the time I was on 
my parents policy and they have a rule that each licensed driver must have 
separate insurance or their underwriters would not write the policy. What a 
debacle, but it is finally over! The advise I have is to contact the person 
that makes those decision, as I did and try to educate them and stay firm and 
know your facts. Don't give in and always counter an argument with a better 
one. Although I have won my case, it may not always be in favor of the 
DeLorean owner.

Because of the sensitivity of this issue, I ask that this not be used as 
ammunition against State Farm or any other insurance company, but rather as 
incentive to fight back for those who have been turned down or canceled. I am 
sure that each insured DeLorean owner is happy knowing that there policy is 
still in effect and I would hate to see mine get reevaluated because someone 
shows an underwriter this letter or uses me as a direct example. Each 
insurance company has access to their records and can get the information on 
which cars they insure and where they have them insured.

Sorry it was so long, but I thought it may be beneficial to our ongoing 
insurance issue.

Thanks,
Joshua Schwartz
001292 



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:40:28 EDT
From: SEDeLorean_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Insurance

My insurance is thru Progressive... I pay an annual of around $1,900... about 
$150ish a month for 11 months.  I have FULL coverage and have the car insured 
at $25,000, the price I bought it for.
I've been with Progressive a little over a year now and I have no complaints.

Then again, I haven't had any wrecks or speeding tickets either...

Hope this helps.

C. Knight



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:58:24 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DeLorean for sale (again)



Group,

       OK, heres the deal. I had lots of responses about my car for sale, 
but I put the car in the shop, and decided to keep it after it was fixed. 
Well, I have decided I will sell it for the right offer. I was asking 
$9,000, but with all the work I have done to it, and given what others are 
selling their cars for, I am asking somewhere between $12,000 and $13,000. 
This car is definately worth it. Here are some details.

1981 DeLorean. Nov. 81 build, VIN 7003

Grey interior, 5-speed, with 49,500 miles.

New parts - radiator, water pump, cooling hoses, voltage regulator, brake 
master cylinder, oil pressure sending unit, air intake hose, muffler heat 
shield, label set, wheel caps, belts, etc..

Has had all fluids changed, including brake and has had the clutch adjusted 
and bled (has adjustable clutch line). With all these parts the car runs 
like new with no problems. Runs VERY cool. Windows, locks, gauges, radio, 
mirrors, and A/C work. The interior is VERY clean with new DMC floor mats, 
and the leather seats are in good condition (very slight checking on the 
passenger side). The exterior is perfect with the exception of a couple of 
tiny dings in the hood. They are so small a camera won't even pick them up. 
The front are rear fascias have been painted black and are very straight. If 
you want a DeLorean you can drive everyday...this is the one for you. The 
car is in Huntsville, and anyonw who would like to look at it is welcome. I 
have no pics at this time online, but am trying to do this soon. Thanks 
again guys~!

Sean Spurlock

Vin 7003
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:24 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Newark NJ / New York trip

Hi
I am going to be in the Newark/New York area Thursday night on August 3rd.

If any Delorean owners in the area want to get together for dinner or 
something e-mail me back privately 


Ken



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:43:42 -0700
From: "Jared Williams" <actually_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Steering Column help

How hard would it be to install a steering column with tilt?  My legs barely
fit in the car, and are almost enough to make me not want to purchase this
car...but I REALLY want it!  If I knew that there was a way of adjusting or
replacing the steering column with tilt or something, that would be a big
help.

Thanks!

-jw




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:29:49 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Insurance saga continues...Additional Help needed...

State Farm provides full coverage on both of my family's DeLoreans.  They even
give me a better rate on it than I used to get on my 92 Honda.  I've also had them
pay for a new hood when mine was damaged beyond repair by a fallen tree branch.  I
pay around $80 a month for my policy. (I'm young and single too!)
    I've heard that the level of coverage will vary depending on where you live.
Maybe this is the case here?  You can use me for reference with your State Farm
agent if you need to.  Have them punch up Josh Haldeman of Cincinnati, Ohio on
their system.  My agent is Bruce O'Dell.
    Hope that helps!
    Josh
    VIN 5102
    VIN 15964


dherv10_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> Nate, I have 4 car's insured with State Farm. But, The De Lorean I can only
> get the state mandated insurance.
> John Hervey, Forney, Texas.
> 11004




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:37:16 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4_at_dml_osu.edu>
Subject: Re: Insurance saga continues...Additional Help needed...

Actually State Farm publishes a booklet of cars that they will insure and what
the rate is for each one for each class of driver, including all factors you
mentioned.  I was shown a copy of this booklet when I went to see about having
mine insured.  I did not notice whether the booklet was region or state specific,
but the DeLorean WAS listed in the one I saw.  Ask your agent if he has a copy of
this booklet handy...maybe this will help resolve the issue.
    Best of luck,
    Josh
    VIN 5102
    VIN 15964


Ann & Ed Thompson wrote:

> Perhaps State Farm will not insure a DeLorean, or any other car for Regards...
> Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:55:08 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re-Insurance Problems

This insurance issue comes up on the list every so often   and I belive
we've about beat the subject to death this time around so unless something
really revolutionary shows up I'm killing this thread for the week.

Bruce Benson, this week's moderator




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_svn.net>
Subject: Re: Steering Column help

Check the manual - I think the column is adjustable.  There is a dial
under the dash on the right side of the steering wheel, if I remember
right.

(And if I'm wrong, someone please correct me!)


On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Jared Williams wrote:

> How hard would it be to install a steering column with tilt?  My legs barely
> fit in the car, and are almost enough to make me not want to purchase this
> car...but I REALLY want it!  If I knew that there was a way of adjusting or
> replacing the steering column with tilt or something, that would be a big
> help.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -jw
> 
> 
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: scottmueller<scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net>
Subject: Tripin' Cooling Fans and Fanzilla

As some of you may know, during the Friday cruise in Cleveland last month,
my Fanzilla equipped Cooling fan circuit would trip offline.  What really
puzzled me was the fact that the "Fan Failed" warning light never came on.
I thought perhaps that the bulb had failed.  In fact, later that day, when
me and my car had cooled off, I performed the test in the Fanzilla
troubleshooting guide.  I removed each Fanzilla fuse (20A) and the "Fan
Failed" light worked.  Strange you ask?  So did I.  The existing breaker in
the circuit was cycling.  Note that this breaker was upgraded to 35A after
my trip to the Los Angeles expo two years ago.  I checked all of the spade
connectors in the circuit.  They were clean and tight.  The fan grounds were
clean and tight.

Here is the Fatal Flaw with the Fanzilla.  When the existing circuit breaker
opens, all power is lost to both cooling fans and the Fanzilla.  Why do I
consider this to be Fatal you may ask, because when the breaker opens  there
is no power for the "Fan Failed" warning light or the Fans.  You better be
scanning your gauges when driving in Hot Weather.

DMC Joe posted an idea recently that suggested a jumper in place of the
circuit breaker in the Cooling Fan Circuit.  Since the Fanzilla has built in
fuse protection for both cooling fan circuits, I installed a jumper.  The
jumper became extremely  hot.  Note, all connectors are clean and tight.  I
let things cool down and started with cool wiring.  It turns out that the NS
colored wire was heating up first, not the jumper.

Since the circuit breaker/thermal trip #193 is made redundant by the fuses
in the Fanzilla, I decided that I would remove it and the NO/NS wires.  It
turns out that the length or the NO & NS wires between #112,  #193 and #191
totaled 68 inches.  That's sixty eight inches.  The N wire, battery hot +
was moved from #112 over to replace the NS wire on #191.  This takes the
little gray loop of wire out of the circuit and now the only wires that get
hot are the ones in the Fanzilla.

By doing this, I eliminated 68" of heater wire, a thermal trip/breaker and
the now the "Fan Failed" light can not be defeated.  The Fanzilla does start
the compressor and each fan separately as designed.  Another, more
complicated way to ensure that the "Fan Failed" light would work, is if
there was a separate power source for that portion of the circuit.

I typed this real slow, so I hope you have been able to follow along.   ; )

You will need to look at the schematic diagrams and the Fanzilla Manual to
see what I am describing.

WARNING...WARNING......DO NOT REMOVE/BYPASS THE BREAKER IF YOU DO NOT 
HAVE
THE FANZILLA, IN FACT DO NOT USE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION IF YOU YOURSELF 
ARE
NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ELECTRICAL DEVICES AND UNDERSTAND 
COMPLETELY WHAT I
HAVE DONE TO MY CAR..

Let the debate begin.

Scott Mueller
scottmueller_at_dml_al.freei.net
1981/002981  DOA5031/DMCNEWS





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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:17:56 -0400
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: stupid question...

Ok, here's my one stupid question.. I think I'm entitled to one... :-) I need the paint codes to paint my fascias. Can someone e-mail me privately what the exact matching color code is? Thanks.

---Dan


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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:30:23 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: "Hot Wheels" type DeLoreans

Awhile ago someone gave me a little DeLorean toy car when I bought some D 
manuals off e-bay.  It's metal, 2  3/4 inches long, the doors open, stock 
DeLorean.  The bottom says "DE LOREAN     P374  and has a Z in a circle 
emblem.  My wife put it out in the display case at our business, and kids 
keep asking if it's for sale!  I always say, "No, but you can take a look at 
the real thing in the parking lot out back."  So, does anybody know where I 
can buy little toy cars like this?  What a bizarre thing to sell in a bakery, 
eh?

-Wayne
"Living the dream!"
11174  (big enough to drive)



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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:14:50 -0700
From: Lee <lseiler_at_dml_radiance.com>
Subject: Gone for awhile.

To ALL:

	To all interested DML list members and our moderators -

It appears that the ISP provider for Radiance Software/Totalimmersion LLC 
has gone belly
up stranding most of it's ISP clients.  I have had no end of problem with 
this ISP as many of the limited edition owners know. Over the week end 
ISPChannel simply shut down their servers and dumped all its clients 
Internet and e-mail files.

This means that all the limited edition mail and replies over the week end 
and up until about an hour ago were lost for ever.

Ken Montgomery and I have spent all day attempting to correct what we 
thought was our problem only to discover that the ISPChannel simply decided 
not to be in the provider business and pulled the plug. Radiance and 
Totalimmersion are for all practical purposes out of business on the 
Internet until a new provider can be found, domain name transfers completed 
and setting up all new sites.

Ken has managed to get ISPChannel to set up Radiance for a few days as an 
accommodation (probably to avoid facing legal consequences).

Please: if you have sent me e-mail regarding your edition or expected to 
hear from me over the past 5 days, expect that those e-mails were dumped 
and lost for ever.

Please: don't worry as soon as Ken and I get moved and e-mail running we 
will announce it here.
I will re-post all the replies that may not have gotten sent. I will 
continue to finish up the old edition and setting up the extension. Again 
if you were becoming an edition owner or had questions, all that will pick 
up when I have on-line e-mail access again.

I apologize to the list members for having to use this forum and the waist 
of time but I don't know of any other fast fix for the problem, and did not 
want any edition owners to feel I was just not bothering to reply or answer 
edition questions.

Thanks again.......


Lee

CAUTION :   Any individual or group discharging a nuclear device or weapon
inside Los Angeles city limits may be fined $500 - and/or serve 30 days in 
county jail.

It's the LAW!




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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:37:23 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Theft Survey.. just curious


Hello All,

  I've been pondering the chance of having a Delorean stolen or broken into.
So, what better source of info than the DML.  So, if people would be kind
enough to *email me*  (heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net)  the answers to these
questions, I'll compile the results and post a summary in about a week.
Unfortunately, the eGroups Poll only handles one question at a time, so I
couldn't use that facility.

1. Have you ever had your Delorean stolen?
2. If so, was it recovered?  It's condition upon returning home?
3. Have you heard of anyone else's Delorean being stolen?
4. Optional: How much theft protection do you currently have on your D?
(Alarm, fuel/ignition/battery cut-offs, LoJack, The Club, etc.)
5. Have you ever had your Delorean broken into?
6. If so, how was it done? (picked lock, broken window [toll or fixed
window?])
7. Do you think it is necessary to invest in theft and/or break-in
protection? How much?

Please answer by question number or quote the question in your answer.
Thanks for your time.

-Hank  #1619





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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:39:50 -0400
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Strange hesitation

Now, I think I know the answer to this one, but I just want to make sure for peace of mind.  Today, I drove the DMC about 40 miles or so, performed great.  Went into a movie theater, came out 2 hours later in the middle of a downpour.  Started the car, it sputters, finally starts, and all the way home (20 miles or so) it acts like this. A constand miss, so to speak.  Is this water getting into the distributor?  If not, what's happened?  Thanks!!

Scott


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