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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 146

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Stainless Scratchs
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

2. Re: No door keys
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>

3. Re: No door keys
From: aabclafon_at_dml_aol.com

4. RE: Re: grinding power window / felt
From: "Daniel McGauley" <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>

5. Re: getting ready for winter cleaning
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

6. Re: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

7. Re: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

8. Re: DMC Bluebook
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. DOA members are friendly, too
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

11. RE: No door keys
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

12. Re: Stainless Scratchs
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. Re: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

14. Paint or powder coated?
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. front pontoon buyer??
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

16. toll booth window
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

17. Re: No door keys
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

18. BMW car show
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com

19. Reliable Auto D Wanted: Advice Needed
From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com

20. Inner roof braces?
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Broken Shift Linkage
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:19:47 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Stainless Scratchs

Well, a bush jumped out and bit my DeLorean.  Now there are a large number of scratches on the fender flair just behind the rear wheel.  My question is, what would be the best method of removing these scratches by hand?  I have a show coming up this weekend and would like to remove these scratches before that time.  Most of the scratches are very small and I believe that they can be removed very easily.  However, some (more than I would like) are a little deeper and may be a problem to remove - after I work on it for a little bit, I will have a better idea about how deep they are.  Can someone give me some quick suggestions on how I can remedy this issue.

Thanks,

Sean Howley
VIN#2345


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 00 10:04:41 +0100
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>
Subject: Re: No door keys

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:40:18 -0400, sean333_at_dml_email.com wrote:

> [...]
>
>A couple questions:
>
>Can keys be make for the existing locks or will I need all new locks?

My DeLorean has one original, and one newly made key (brand Orion). I
guess that a key shop can reproduce it without any problems.

B.t.w., my DeLorean is a one key car. The key fits in all the keyholes
(and works). Perhaps your locks have already been replaced in the past?

Sacha
#17115






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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:54:40 EDT
From: aabclafon_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: No door keys

keys can be made for the existing locks.  Problem I had was finding a lock
smith that had a blank for the door.   Engine key was no problem. I finally
found a lock smith that ordered blanks and made the keys.  On my  Delorean,
even though the keys are double sided, they can only be made one way. We
went thru 4 blanks before fiinding the correct combination.    I had to buy
10 blanks before they would order them.  

Dave L.



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:32:43 -0500
From: "Daniel McGauley" <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>
Subject: RE: Re: grinding power window / felt

Has anyone ever found a good replacement for the window felt on the
DeLorean?  I'm on my 4th set now.  As soon as it gets a little warm out, the
felt completely falls off the rubber piece (the glue melts).  Has anyone
ever successfully put on any other type of felt, maybe like the little
rubber guides on modern cars?

-Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Rooney [mailto:dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 11:26 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: grinding power window
>
>
> Sounds like the inner window guide is comming/came off. If you look
> down into the door you should see a strip of felt that pushes against
> the inside of the glass. Over time (or in my case heat) the glue can
> loosen that holds the felt onto a rubber strip. When the window rolls
> down, the front portion loses contact w/the strip, which can allow
> the glass to dig under the felt when it returns up. Once the felt has
> come out of place, the rubber will then be "grabbed" by the glass.
> Going up it makes an unpleasant noise, going down the rubber will be
> pulled out of place. Since the rubber strip is attached to a metal
> bracket, the scratches on the glass may be caused by the sharp
> bracket rubbing on the glass as it goes up and down.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, <sean333_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> > One of my power windows is making a grinding noise whenever it goes
> up or
> > down. Is this symptomatic of a common problems. Is it about to die?
> >
> > Also, there is a odd series of scratches on the forward part of the
> glass
> > parallel to the window's motion. I suppose that is a clue.  Any
> ideas?
> >
> > -Sean
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:53:28 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: getting ready for winter cleaning

I have a number of spare parts to get rid of before winter.

1 delorean engine long block  ( 30,000 original miles from time machine
car. )

1 delorean 5 speed transmission ( 30,000 original miles from time
machine car. )

2 delorean mufflers.  both from 30,000 mile cars. both like new.



I am in the chicago area.  Shipping can be arranged.

email me directly on what you would offer for these parts.  A package
deal would get the best price.

Let me know

Bob Brandys

P.  S. I also have the radiator, coolant pipes, windows, etc.








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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:07:57 +0100
From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue

As I have stated before only the Honda NSX in 1990 followed the same small
front / large rear wheel configuration as introduced successfully on the
DeLorean.

The DeLorean using this setup together with its weight distribution at 35/65
will ALWAYS roll back onto its wheels if rolled on a flat surface.  Of
course on irregular ground the end result cannot be 100% favourable so the
driver may require the door windows or the windscreen/shield to be kicked
out.

Christopher M. Hawes
Manchester,  UK

----- Original Message -----
From: <sean333_at_dml_email.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:10 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Gull wings/saftey issue


snip - The main safety issue with the doors is if you end up upside down in
an
accident. Doors won't open, and windows are to small to serve as exits.
You're best option in this senario is to kickout the windshield. Luckly, the
DeLorean has a very low center of gravity and is unlikely to roll over.







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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 sean333_at_dml_email.com wrote:

> That's what seemed to happen a lot in the crash test videos I have. In
> the slow motion film of the head-on crash tests, one of the first
> things you see after the front of the car begins to crumple is both
> doors fly up. Of course these were prototypes and design changes in

This they do, but it does not necessarily indicate a safety problem.  In a
side impact collision, the door will remain in place to protect the
occupants (it would be wedged in place).  In a frontal impact collision,
having the door fly up provides some advantages.  First, it helps
dissipate some of the crash energy (just as parts flying off of race cars
help protect the driver).  And, having the door open makes it less likely
that the occupants will have to be cut out of the car.

It also means that you are more likely to be thrown from the car if you
aren't wearing your seat belt.

> The main safety issue with the doors is if you end up upside down in
> an accident. Doors won't open, and windows are to small to serve as

Supposedly, the doors have enough leverage to tilt the car far enough for
an average sized person to escape from a rollover.  But I don't know of
any DeLorean that's been rolled over with passsengers inside.




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:13:37 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DMC Bluebook

One of the references that profesional appraisers use is a book that 
is printed by Kruse auctioneers annually on all the cars that are 
auctioned by them. It lists if sold, condition, price, and reserve. 
Although you could question if the condition is accurate it does give 
a good guide as to the market and the trend.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, <mikeatk_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Ed, just curious.  Did you have your car professionally appraised?  
If so,
> who did you use and what did it cost.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike Atkinson
> vin16232
> 
> mikeatk_at_dml_c...
> 
> "Now that you have these values you must be wondering what or who
> determines any given car to be "low", "average", or "high".  There
> are professional appraisers that do just that for a fee.  So now
> you know that my DeLorean ("High Retail")"




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:07:00 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show

Before we get to friendly with the doa I would like to see how they 
report on the biggest delorean event in years in delorean world.
They conspicuosly don't report on anything outside their own sponsered
events or when they do they give it only a passing reference. It
would also be interesting if they report on the judging which took 
place in Cleavland, it was of the highest caliber so far with some of 
the most unusual deloreans ever assembled in 1 place. Also let's not 
forget that JZD was there (he has yet to attend a doa event).I wait
to 
see what Ken Koncelik would have to say about the doa. Let's see if 
and when they put up a link to the memphis show in 2002 and give Ken 
the credit he deserves for putting on the 2 best shows in years back 
to back.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, senatorpack_at_dml_c... wrote:
> 
> Dear dml,
> 
>     I think that a big THANK YOU to the DeLorean Owners Association 
from all 
> of the list members would be a very gracious and courteous. All of 
us want 
> the DeLorean to be as successful now as it was when first 
introduced. We 
> should keep the positive comments flowing towards the DeLorean, the 
DeLorean 
> Owners Association and the DML.
> 
> Mike




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:31:38 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: DOA members are friendly, too

I think it is important here to differentiate DOA "official materials" from
the DOA membership.  Regardless of what the editors of Delorean World choose
to publish, the membership is full of very nice people, as others have
already pointed out.  I look forward to seeing even more of them at the next
event.

Gus "I've never met a Delorean owner I didn't like" Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 9:07 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show
>
>
> Before we get too friendly with the doa I would like to see how they
> report on the biggest delorean event in years in delorean world.
> They conspicuosly don't report on anything outside their own sponsered
> events or when they do they give it only a passing reference. It
> would also be interesting if they report on the judging which took
> place in Cleavland, it was of the highest caliber so far with some of
> the most unusual deloreans ever assembled in 1 place. Also let's not
> forget that JZD was there (he has yet to attend a doa event).I wait
> to see what Ken Koncelik would have to say about the doa. Let's see if
> and when they put up a link to the memphis show in 2002 and give Ken
> the credit he deserves for putting on the 2 best shows in years back
> to back.
>
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:24:35 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: No door keys

The early Deloreans had two keys, one for the doors and one for the
ignition.

Any competent locksmith should be able to replace faulty door locks and/or
have them keyed to match the ignition.  However, they may not be so adept at
disassembling Delorean doors so you may want to remove the inner panels in
advance.

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sacha Prins [mailto:sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:05 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] No door keys

> <SNIP>

> B.t.w., my DeLorean is a one key car. The key fits in all the keyholes
> (and works). Perhaps your locks have already been replaced in the past?
>
> Sacha
> #17115




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:28:30 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Stainless Scratchs

You could try sandpaper on the deeper scratches. It may sound radical 
but remember that the graining on the ss is just scratches but all in 
the same direction and same depth. Be very careful to stay in the
same direction as the grain, if needed use masking tape as a guide
and 
go back and forth in  very straight lines. Start with about #80-#100
grit and go LIGHTLY. If you are happy with the results work up to 
about #220 and then finish with a "scotchbrite" pad. The ones the 
delorean suppliers sell is aout the best coursesness. If the area is 
flat use a backing block to keep the pressure even. You might want to 
experiment on a less noticeable area first to get some practice.Also 
work the area out into the surounding area.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
winner 2nd place concours Cleavland 2000



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Well, a bush jumped out and bit my DeLorean.  Now there are a large 
number of scratches on the fender flair just behind the rear wheel.  
My question is, what would be the best method of removing these 
scratches by hand?  I have a show coming up this weekend and would 
like to remove these scratches before that time.  Most of the 
scratches are very small and I believe that they can be removed very 
easily.  However, some (more than I would like) are a little deeper 
and may be a problem to remove - after I work on it for a little bit, 
I will have a better idea about how deep they are.  Can someone give 
me some quick suggestions on how I can remedy this issue.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sean Howley
> VIN#2345
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:56:26 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: DOA Website Friendly to Ken's Show

David Teitelbaum said:

> Before we get to friendly with the doa I would like to see
> how they report on the biggest delorean event in years in
> delorean world.  They conspicuosly don't report on anything
> outside their own sponsered events or when they do they give
> it only a passing reference . . .

I believe an upcoming DeLorean World will feature coverage of Ken
Koncelik's DeLorean Car Show in Cleveland.  If you are unsatisfied with
the article please do not complain to the DOA.  Complain to me.  I wrote
it.

However, I cannot take credit for the excellent photographs that accompany
the article.

> Also let's not forget that JZD was there . . .

Of course the article mentions JZD!  How could anyone overlook him?

> Let's see if and when they put up a link to the memphis show in 2002 . .
.

If you follow the new link from the DOA website, you will see that it
*already* goes to Ken's Memphis 2002 information.

- Mike Substelny
DeLorean Club of Ohio
DML Moderator Team





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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:58:44 -0400
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Paint or powder coated?

Does anyone know if the wheels came from the factory painted or powder coated. I don't need guesses, or almost positive answers. I need a definite, absolutely positive answer. Thanks much. :-)

---Dan


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:30:12 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: front pontoon buyer??

Hello, sorry for using the DML for this, but someone e-mailed me the 
other day in regards to the front pontoon half that I have for sale.  
he was from Florida.  If you could e-mail me back, I forgot your e-
mail address. 

Thanks!

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:24:15 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: toll booth window

I'm having a problem getting a tollbooth window out.  Its the 
passenger side and I can't figure out what bolts to take off.  I have 
the interior panels off and I can see all the inner workings.    I'm 
sure it's a simple process, but if someone could show me the ways, 
I'd appreciate it.  Thanks!

Erik Geerdink




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:01:45 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: No door keys

In a message dated 7/27/00 10:16:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net writes:

<< B.t.w., my DeLorean is a one key car. The key fits in all the keyholes
 (and works). Perhaps your locks have already been replaced in the past? >>

Nope. Judging by your vin, you have an '83.  They only use 1 key, unlike the 
earlier cars which use 2.

-Wayne



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:40:23 EDT
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: BMW car show

I wanted to let everyone know about an upcoming car show at the BMW plant in 
Greer, South Carolina the weekend of October 20-22.  Euro 2000 should be a 
great time with driving events and plant tours.  The Visitor's Center will be 
open, and all of you will be interested in seeing the BMW M1 with gullwing 
doors they have on display.  The date of the car show is October 21.

Last year we had 4 DeLoreans, 3 from SC and 1 from TN.  I'm hoping we can get 
some others out there this year.  You can get more information on the show by 
checking out their website at

www.euroautofestival.com

By calling  1-864-814-1078

Or email them at:  euro2000info_at_dml_aol.com

I hope we'll see lots of DeLoreans there this year.

Brian
VIN 1597    



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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:33:52 -0000
From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com
Subject: Reliable Auto D Wanted: Advice Needed

hi again,

last week or so i posted to the list seeking a reliable automatic
D, preferrably an 81 w/ gas flap, and black interior.

Well I just noticed yesterday that on both Yahoo!'s and
Excite's classifieds a new listing came up.  Here is the listing:

Description: 1981 Delorean # 153 built. It is a certified Delorean 
Motor Co. training vehicle. All original, black leather. Only 6,180 
miles, very clean. Test driven by John Delorean himself. Upgraded in 
1994 by Delorean 1 in Los Angeles. Previously owned by theBlue 
Blocker Corp utilized strictly as a markerting exhibit for their 
sunglasses featured in Back to the Future II. All service records and 
other maintanance information avaliable. One of kind show car 
guaranteed to appreciate in value. please view car at 
www.usedrestaurantsupplies.com 

What was a training vehicle?  The 6000 miles scares me.  This
thing has to have been stored forever...so i'm sure there would
be a lot of things to replace to get it reliable enough to be
my daily driver.  Whats everyone's opinion?

Thanks,
Bruce




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:20:40 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Inner roof braces?

I was wondering if anyone knew what if any metal bracing there is embedded in the fiberglass of the D's roof panel (between the doors)  i.e.  Are the door hinges bolting essentially through fiberglass only or is there an embedded plate or plates of some sort?  I guess this requires someone either having tried to drill through this area or having seen a seriously damaged roof section which might have fractured the fiberglass exposing it's internals.

Thanks,
       Steve
       VIN 2650




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:57:03 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Broken Shift Linkage

More Information - in the eGroups Files section at 
http://www.egroups.com/files/dmcnews/PROCESS-A/

Somebody put the factory assembly drawings for the shift linkage that 
shows this in detail. Look at the drawings labled PROCESS 1 thru 4. 

These were put there in January, no idea who did it. Thanks whoever 
you are! 

Dave

-- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Biggest problem with this is that an artist would be of more 
benefit 
> than a photographer. The parts in question are essentially 
invisible 
> when installed in the car. This does show up in the parts book as 
the 
> pivot bolt part Number 110183 Callout #17 on page 4/2/0. You access 
> it on the car through the same hole in the frame where the fuel 
> accumulator is located. In the electronic version of the parts 
manual 
> 
> Dave
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> > Shift linkage problems appear on the DML from time to time....  I 
> would like to see some pictures from
> > the underside of the car showing how to access the area in 
> question, and where to
> > locate the critical part(s).
> > 
> > Would anyone volunteer to take some photographs?




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