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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DMC Prototype
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

2. Re: DMC Prototype
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: RE: Toll Booth Window ALIGNMENT
From: ledgend2_at_dml_aol.com

4. Toll Both Window Benefits
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

5. Removal of window motor assy HELP
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. HELP!!!!
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: RTV sealant/Fuel pump
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

8. New, almost, DeLorean owner
From: DeLorean1975_at_dml_aol.com

9. Eurofest 2000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. rear fascia for sale
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

11. adhesive mark removal
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

12. Re: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>

13. Re: DMC Prototype
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

14. Re: adhesive mark removal
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

15. ELECTRICAL PROBLEM
From: Jgshawaii_at_dml_cs.com

16. Re: Eurofest 2000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

17. Repaired shift linkage (automatic owners look too!)
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

18. Toy cars.
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

19. DeLorean spotted on TV
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:34:29 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: DMC Prototype

I think that the car had a fuctional Citroen 4 cylinder engine, but I 
don't know how it was mounted (rear like the current PRV-6 or 
transverse-ish like the Fiat prototype used to test the engine 
placement). Not sure about the headlights, but I'm pretty sure that 
the clearance lights were battery powered and the tail lights were 
non-functioning mock-ups. In several books about JZD & DMC this car 
played an important part. Along with it was shipped at least 1 other 
car that was fitted with a PRV-6 motor, and this was the car the 
engineers sneered at and made fun of (i.e. all of the welds in the 
exhasut system). Once it arrived the only thing more to ever be 
written about it was that the guys _at_dml_ Lotus didn't care for the V-6 
engine, and "...drove the 4-cylinder even less." Where this car ended 
up, I'm not too sure, but it may still be sitting on Lotus' property. 
A while back the DOC (I think) posted photos of a DeLorean prototype 
car sitting on Lotus' property. Lotus denied that the car was even 
there, so they wouldn't allow anyone to move it (I'm was confused 
too!). The pictures shown a car that was beyond a state of disrepair, 
but still had a great amount of historic value to it. Though I'm 
still not sure if this was the same car.

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Thomas B" <tjb229_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Does anyone know the details regaurding the prototype Delorean? I'm 
> talking about the one that was pictured in Stainless Steel 
Illusion.  
> It was the car with brown leather interior and airbags. Its front 
end 
> looked longer than the production D, and it didn't have the louvres 
> in the rear. Was this car drivable or just a show car?  Is this car 
> still around today, and if so where is it?




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:49:24 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC Prototype

The prototype was spotted sitting in a driveway rotting away a few years ago. 
 If you search the archives you will find the post.  The person desribes it 
as a car with no louver and the sliding windows which never went into a 
production car so it must be one of the prototypes.  keep in mind that there 
were almost 20 prototype vehicles.

    Does anyone know where the "first" De Lorean is now.  My friend bought 
Bricklin vin#001 in 1981 from a museum in Chicago (Skokie).  The first 
DeLorean and also the first 300 sl gullwing were there also.  the owner of 
the DeLorean offered to sell the car for $60,000 in 1981 but he was not 
interested in the DMC.  (he just bought one last  year)  Does anyone know 
anything more about this DMC, is it still there?
    He now has Bricklin #001 up for sale for a rediculously CHEAP price.  It 
has basically never been touched its whole life,  museum and then to a lift 
where it sat in a carcoon.  I went to see the cars(he also owns the last 
Brick) and they are prefect. The reserve for 001 is well under $20,000 which 
I think is a bargain for such a rare car.  it has no mods and even the 
original hydraulic doors.  just curious about the first DMC.  sorry if I got 
a little off of the DMC topic.

later
Dave
#2496



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:59:04 EDT
From: ledgend2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Toll Booth Window ALIGNMENT


   Steve,
        The window tracks themselves are adjustable...unfortunately you'll 
have to take the whole door apart to get to them.    -Dave



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:06:54 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Toll Both Window Benefits

I love the tool both windows on my DeLorean! Yes I can only use them 
for drive up currency transactions, ie. paying utilities, tolls (if I 
ever find a toll both!:) ), and so on. But they provide me with great 
benefits that full roll down windows could not have; if I do go to 
fast food drive thrus I have to open the door because of them: 
opening door+car in public= attention! Last but not least when I 
drive down the street or highway I can roll both my windows down for 
a great breeze without getting my hair all messed up! Plus they look 
really cool on the car. Bottom line: I wouldn't have them any other 
way!

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, E Grauff <datamonk_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> It's so small, that it's only good for paying tolls at toll booths.
> (If you ever drive through a fast food place, you usually have to 
open the
> door to get your drinks . . . ;-)





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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:29:26 PDT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Removal of window motor assy HELP


I just purchased replacement window motor assy's.
Here is my story:

I have access to everything inside both doors, all panels are removed.
And these are my problems:

On the passenger side I have rolled the window a bit down so as to get 
access to the to nuts that hold the window to the worm gear. One of the nuts 
loosened easily, the other is movable but it is just spinning around. How on 
earth can I loosen this one????

On the drivers side, the window is stuck in the closed position, meaning 
that the access to the two nuts on this side is virtually impossible. I cant 
lower the window enough (read: I cant lower the window at all) and get 
access to the nuts through the hole in the door.

Is there anyway to do a shortcut so that the window will lower?

Please respond list, I really need help here!

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:08:30 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: HELP!!!!

Believe it or not I was too busy at the show to get a lot of pictures 
actually I took only about 5.

I know a lot of you took pictures could you share them with me please
the ones on my web pager are not even mine.  I guess that is one of the 
hazards of running a show.

Digital are the easiest as I have a fast download so if you have any could 
you please send me some
Maybe even some of me and JZD and Kathryn

At any rate all I have are 101 pictures of liscence plates 
and a few from some of you including one cd disc which does have a lot of 
nice shots..  

I would like to see some of Curtis car and the other special cars 

Also I plan to share with you the areal photos as soon as I get a chance

There are also some t-shirts left over if anyone is interested

Again thank you all 

Ken



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:15:05 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: RTV sealant/Fuel pump

A couple of answers - first, RTV will dissolve in gas in short order. 
Any of it that falls into the tank will do Bad Things to the fuel 
distributor or injectors.  Bad Idea. 

Also - there is no way that the gas is coming up through the boot and 
sitting on top of the pump unless you completely forgot the hose 
clamp that holds the pump into the boot, or the boot is totally 
destroyed. One of the banjo fittings or hose fittings above the pump 
is leaking. Check those, and maybe replace the brass o-rings around 
the banjo fittings. 

Dave
5429


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_y...> wrote:
i checked the area tonight and
> saw that gas was filling up inside of the boot and
> surrounding the pump and contacts
> 
> Will RTV sealant hold up submerged in gas? 
> 




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:07:32 EDT
From: DeLorean1975_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: New, almost, DeLorean owner

Dear list:

I might be a DeLorean owner in about a day. It's an October 1981 DeLorean 
with some things wrong, but not really bad things to fix (don't be surprised 
if you see me asking questions). Everything is original, including tires. I 
don't remember the VIN, but I will ask the owner tomorrow when he calls. 

Just a forewarning,
John Feldman
Future Owner!



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:28:25 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Eurofest 2000

Are there any plans of a website for Eurofest 2000? And even perhaps 
one detailing the events that will have taken place afterwards? I 
thought about going to NI for the event, but after the increased 
violence and now the releasing of everyone from the H-blocks at the 
maze prison, I've changed my mind. I'd rather just watch everything 
from where it's safe...

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:23:59 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: rear fascia for sale

If anyone is interested I have a rear fascia for sale.  it needs to 
be repainted but other than that it is in good condition.  # of the 
bolt studs broke off when removing it, but thats the only structural 
flaw.  If you are interested please send me an e-mail at 
deloreanpart_at_dml_excite.com

Thanks!

Erik Geerdink
4512

p.s
Hi Steve from Holland CD!




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:27:02 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: adhesive mark removal

I have two adheasive marks on a left quarter panel I have (for 
sale).  It looks like they have been there awhile.  I tried using 
gas, but that didn't take it out (i didn't try to hard either).  
Should I try using gas again, or is there another product out there 
that will work better?
Thanks

Erik Geerdink




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:29:11 GMT
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Gull wings/saftey issue

>From: "Christopher M. Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Gull wings/saftey issue
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:07:57 +0100
>
>As I have stated before only the Honda NSX in 1990 followed the same small
>front / large rear wheel configuration as introduced successfully on the
>DeLorean.


Not exactly DeLorean related. But just to clarify there have been other cars 
mass produced with a smaller tire/wheel combo on the front than on the rear. 
The first that comes to mind is the Plymouth Prowler, but there are others.


Dave
VIN 5524
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:02:33 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Prototype

Car #500 was at the Crawford Auto Museum in Cleveland.  We had dinner
next to it!

Both the first and last production DeLoreans were there, side by side.


Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> 
<SNIP>
> original hydraulic doors.  just curious about the first DMC.  sorry if I got
> a little off of the DMC topic.
<SNIP?



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:05:20 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: adhesive mark removal

I like to use "Goo Gone" for removing the leftover stuff when stickers
are removed.  You may want to give it a try.


Erik Geerdink wrote:
> 
> I have two adheasive marks on a left quarter panel I have (for
> sale).  It looks like they have been there awhile.  I tried using
> gas, but that didn't take it out (i didn't try to hard either).
> Should I try using gas again, or is there another product out there
> that will work better?
<SNIP>



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:37:23 EDT
From: Jgshawaii_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: ELECTRICAL PROBLEM

I HAVE JUST INSTALLED A NEW DELCO REMY ALTERNATOR ON MY 81 DMC.
THE OLD ONE ON IT ONLY HAD THE HEAVY LEAD WIRE HOOKED UP AND DID NOT REGULATE 
THE CURRENT, THUS BURNING IT UP. 
IN INSTALLING THE NEW ONE WITH BOTH WIRES IT OPERATES AND CHARGES CORRECTLY, 
BUT IF I TURN THE KEY OFF IT KEEPS RUNNING.
THE DASH ELECTRICAL TURNS OFF, AND THE RELAY IS CLICKING.
IF I REMOVE THE SECOND MONITORING WIRE [THINNER ONE] OFF THE ALTERNATOR IT 
WILL CHARGE AT FULL LOAD, AND WILL TURN OFF WHEN THE KEY IS TURNED OFF.
I AM TOLD TO CHECK THE DIODE? DOES ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME? 
TRYING TO GET ON THE ROAD THIS WEEKEND BUT NEED TO RESOLVE THIS ONE. MAHALO, 
JOHN



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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:15:04 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Eurofest 2000

Its Eurofest 2001..not 2000..I wouldn't worry too much about getting into
trouble in Northen Ireland, my 21 year old son has just come back from his
latest holiday there..the press always exaggerate any small troubles.
The vast majority of Irish people, North and South, are the friendliest
people you could imagine, but as in any society there are one or two
"nutters"  .I would have thought that you stood a much bigger chance of
getting into bother in any number of American cities!!

Chris P DOC UK


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:28 AM
Subject: [DML] Eurofest 2000


> Are there any plans of a website for Eurofest 2000? And even perhaps
> one detailing the events that will have taken place afterwards? I
> thought about going to NI for the event, but after the increased
> violence and now the releasing of everyone from the H-blocks at the
> maze prison, I've changed my mind. I'd rather just watch everything
> from where it's safe...
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:04:13 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Repaired shift linkage (automatic owners look too!)

After performing the repair that I mentioned in the previous post, 
and making sure that every single portion of the shiftlikage was 
lubricated, all is back to where it was before. When selecting gears 
the linkage is alot quieter now and it is much easier, with one 
exception. Reverse, 3rd, 4th, & 5th gears go in w/o a problem, but 
1st & 2nd do not. To get into these gears I have to pull up on the 
stick & pull over like I would when I go into reverse, but instead I 
only move the shifter over slightly. With the shift boot & rubber 
seal off I can now see that when I move the shifter over, it ends up 
pulling the shift cable a little bit more. In order to cure this I 
will have to shorten the length of the shift cable, then all should 
be fine. Though it should be noted that when I looked inspected the 
linkage before hand there was NO lube on it what so ever!

Why the pivot bolt snapped...
The problem that I and other owners have had with the pivot bolt 
breaking was probably caused by one of, or both of the following 
problems:
   1. Lack of lubrication between the pivot bolt itself and the 
gearchange assembly. This combined with 122 plus temperatures 
outside (and heat directly from the engine) may have caused the 
assembly to 'grab' the bolt, and shear it into 2 pieces.
   2. (before we continue, keep in mind that when shifting into 2nd 
gear, the gearchange assembly rotates clockwise) By a sift cable not 
being adjusted properly, 1st & 2nd gears are unaccessible. The 
result? When attempting to shift into 2nd, the transmission refuses 
because it's not in place internally to go into the gear because 
the cable is not pulled over far enough. Hence the rear gearchange 
tube will not budge. Now when everything is supposed to work 
properly, the assembly rotates by the pivot bolt that stays in place 
and does not move (fulcrum). When the rear gearchange tube doesn't 
move, but the front gear change tube is still able to, this changes 
the pivot point (or fulcrum) over to the bolt connecting to the rear 
tube. Rather than equal forces against the pivot bolt, the whole 
assembly is then pushing against on side of the bolt. The more 
pressure that is applied to the bolt, the more it will bend untill it 
snaps in half.

Cure and maintenance...
In the previous post yesterday I posted both permanent and temporary 
fixes, so there's no need to repost it (but It will be together 
with this for the technical library addition). What I would reccomend 
is that you add lubricating the shift linkage to you list of periodic 
maintenace for things such as chassis & angle drive lubrication. 
Doesn't require as much attention as the engine oil, but is more 
vital to your car's operation that the angle drive. Altough no less 
important! For a visual inspection a compact mirror would probably 
work fine.

What this means to automatic owners...
If you own an automatic DeLorean and didn't know it already, guess 
what, YOU HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF ASSEMBLY! According to the parts 
catalog though, none of the parts are interchangable. But I would say 
that the odds are in your favor. The only time you would move the 
linkage is when you select P RND21. As opposed to a 5-speed where the 
linkage is moving constantly. Still, I would give the linkage 
attention to make sure it's lubed properly. Even though you have less 
of a chance then manual owners, pivot bolt(or any other linkage bolt) 
breakage is a possibility.

-Robert
vin 6585

p.s. automatic or manual transmission, make sure that you have a 
noise isolator installed. With out this rubber seal in place, the 
passenger 
compartment is LOUD from all the road noise comming thru!




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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:20:56 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Toy cars.

To list members who have enquired about buying the small D's..I am about to
send a photo to each of you so that you can see what you are getting before
you commit yourselves..I need my sons assistance.... as I am a computer
illiterate!

Chris P DOC uk vins 5638/12176




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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:08:54 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: DeLorean spotted on TV

I was just watching the Spring Break show on MSNBC (Yea, yea.. I know...
but I tend to stop at a channel when I see girls in bikini's!).

Anyway, at about 37 min past the hour, they were talking about a group
of girls that drove to Daytona Beach.  One of the first scenes of them
driving on the beach, there is a quick 1 second shot of a DeLorean
parked on the beach.

Anyone on the list in Daytona for Spring Break 2000?  That may be your
car on TV!

I think MSNBC has been running the show a few times a week, so if you
catch it keep your eyes open for the DMC!



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