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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Project Delorean Site Updated
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

2. Re: Loading R12 in A/C system -Final
From: François Laplante <laplanca_at_dml_videotron.ca>

3. DMC Reliability question.
From: "Sternbach, William" <william.sternbach_at_dml_ssmb.com>

4. Re: Project Delorean Site Updated
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

5. Re: DMC Reliability question.
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

6. Airfare to Las Vegas for Expo 2000
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

7. Re: DMC Reliability question.
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

8. Re: Re: Project Delorean Site Updated
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

9. Yokohama Performance
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. Re: Re: Chassis Undercoating...
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com

11. Richmond British Car Show
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

12. Garage Door Opener Dilemma Solved!
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:19:57 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Project Delorean Site Updated

I have to admit it's the first time I've seem a carbureted set up for 
the DeLorean PRV-6 put in use. But there is a bolt on carburetor for 
the PRV-6 engine. Would have been easier to install since it simply 
bolts on and probably wouldn't have needed all the extra welding. 
Plus you could have kept the ram-air intake and existing air box. Out 
of curiosity does this type of a conversion hinder emissions testing? 
On every vehicle I've had tested, the techs have always verified that 
the vaccum hoses were connected exactly the same as they were 
pictured on the routing diagram. If one was disconnected, they 
wouldn't run the test untill it was hooked back up. Also, why 
carburetion? I always thought the fuel injection was more efficient? 
(not trying to criticize or anything, just honestly curious)

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, jus4sho_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Sorry it took so long but I finally got around to scanning in my 
original 
> pics.  I've added a bunch of new photos including a current one of 
the 
> "Barage" (taken today), lots of stuff showing the original 
condition of #2650 
> when I got her, More disassembly shots, the "face-ectomy", and even 
a PRV6 
> fuel system I bet you've never seen!  So please check out the site.
> 
> Steve
> 
> www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:47:56 -0400
From: François Laplante <laplanca_at_dml_videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Loading R12 in A/C system -Final

Thank you all for your advices!

The problems are finally resolved.

The A/C mechanic could not fill the R2 because the heater fan has been
accidently disconnected (by a foot...)when working in the fuses area. As
this had happen AT THE SAME MOMENT we where changing the seals of the
compressor (and losin all pressure), I thought the heater fan did not work
because of low pressure of the R12!

All has been restored and my Delorean is now COOLER than ever!

François Laplante
VIN 17145





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:50:19 -0400
From: "Sternbach, William" <william.sternbach_at_dml_ssmb.com>
Subject: DMC Reliability question.

Hello,

I was thinking about buying a DMC-12.

I wanted to know how reliable are the DMC-12's?
If I found one with less than 50,000 miles that was
in good condition, about how much money would I
have to spend each year on maintenance and repairs?

Also, what is the general impression of the DMC-12's reliability:
Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, or Excellent?

Thanks in advance for your reply.

- Bill



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:58:29 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Project Delorean Site Updated

Does carburating the engine add any horsepower or anything?  Why 
would someone go to all that work to convert?  I understand Steve's 
reason for doing it, but why would someone do it for the long run?

Erik Geerdink
"car 4512 where aaaaare yoooooou?"

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> I have to admit it's the first time I've seem a carbureted set up 
for 
> the DeLorean PRV-6 put in use. But there is a bolt on carburetor 
for 





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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:58:55 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Reliability question.

Welcome to the group Bill.

You will find loads of information in the archives at
http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues.html

As any 20 year old vehicle goes, there are a lot of variables when
trying to rate the reliability of a DMC-12.  The same goes for trying to
estimate the cost of repairs and maintenance.  I would suggest you spend
some time reading the archives, and monitoring the list to get a better
feel of what to look for when buying a DeLorean.  Of course the standard
guidelines of purchasing ANY older car apply.  You may want to find
someone local to you with a DeLorean to be a "mentor" and help you
select your new car.

In "general" there is no reason to conclude that the DMC-12 would not
provide reliable service if properly maintained.  There are a few common
problems, but the good news is there are solutions.

Marc

"Sternbach, William" wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was thinking about buying a DMC-12.
> 
> I wanted to know how reliable are the DMC-12's?
> If I found one with less than 50,000 miles that was
> in good condition, about how much money would I
> have to spend each year on maintenance and repairs?
> 
> Also, what is the general impression of the DMC-12's reliability:
> Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, or Excellent?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your reply.
> 
> - Bill



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:00:22 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Airfare to Las Vegas for Expo 2000

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:01:28 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: DMC Reliability question.

William Sternbach wants to know about the cost of maintaining a DeLorean:

> I wanted to know how reliable are the DMC-12's?
> If I found one with less than 50,000 miles that was
> in good condition, about how much money would I
> have to spend each year on maintenance and repairs?

I presume that you want to use the DeLorean as a daily driver, not a show
car that lives in a garage?

Because this comes up so often, I conducted a poll here on the DML a few
months ago.  Of the 20 respondents, the median cost was between $1,200
and $1,600 per year to maintain each DeLorean as a daily driver.  This
includes parts and labor, but not insurance, fuel, etc..   Some years you
might not need that much, but other years you may need more.   You can
read details in the DML backissues.

http://www.egroups.com/message/dmcnews/7520

> Also, what is the general impression of the DMC-12's reliability:
> Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, or Excellent?

I find the reliability of my DeLorean to be excellent and take it on long
trips all the time without worrying.  Reading the DeLorean Mailing List,
joining the DeLorean Owners Association, and joining a local DeLorean
club have all increased my confidence in my DeLorean.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:29:41 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Project Delorean Site Updated

Eric, as I mentioned on my site, this was simply a crude but effective way of 
getting a good PRV6 motor with a bad Bosch K-Jetronic Fuel system to run.  It 
was never driven on the street.  I just wanted to car to me mobile to move it 
in and out of the garage, drive it up onto trailers, etc.  In truth, even 
after tuning, this system would've yielded less power, higher emmisions and 
worse fuel economy due to poor fuel distribution.  (It's also correct too in 
that it wouldn't pass most visual emission inspections)  The original fuel 
injection system (or electronic fuel injection) is really the way to go.

Also, I was aware that there were older versions of the PRV6 that had 
carbureted intake manifolds, but there again, I would have been buying parts 
for a motor I don't intend to use.  The way I did it, I only pruchased a 
carburetor, fuel pressure regulator and a carburetor adaptor plate.  All of 
which will eventually get used on other projects.  (I have no idea what I 
could've ever used a carbureted PRV6 manifold for!  A planter maybe?  LOL)  I 
guess part of me wanted to see if I could do it too.

Thanks for checkin out the site!

Steve
    VIN 2650


n a message dated 8/3/2000 2:33:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
delorean502_at_dml_excite.com writes:

<< Does carburating the engine add any horsepower or anything?  Why 
 would someone go to all that work to convert?  I understand Steve's 
 reason for doing it, but why would someone do it for the long run?
  >>



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:37:58 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Yokohama Performance

Last night I took the D out durring a pretty good thunder storm. The 
Yokohama AVS Intermediates performed VERY well in wet conditions! Not 
once did they lose grip of the road, even _at_dml_ moderate speeds on the 
interstate. No hard braking, but when I did brake, it was like I was 
still on a dry surface. When starting out from a stop, not once did 
the tires spin. Also, the tires really channel the water away! When 
going thru large puddles I had water splash out above the fenders. 
All in all the tires have performed great! However, they should be 
looked at as a safety precaution, NOT a licence to drive faster in 
bad weather. No matter what car you drive, use common sense when 
driving, and don't be afraid to slow down. If possible stay at home. 
But if you do have to go out, drive senseable. Don't know how the 
Goodyear Eagle GT's, or the Pirelli 600's perform. But the Yoko's are 
great!

-Robert
vin 6585

p.s. if you ever get a chance to drive you DeLorean out into a 
lightning storm, take it! you'll get at least 3 times the looks as 
normal, plus the stainless looks beautifull when the lightning 
flashes across it!




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:31:55 EDT
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Chassis Undercoating...

In a message dated 8/2/00 11:49:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
srubano_at_dml_optonline.com writes:

<< Subj:     [DML] Re: Chassis Undercoating...
 Date:  8/2/00 11:49:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  srubano_at_dml_optonline.com (Steve Rubano)
 Reply-to:  dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
 To:    dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
 
<SNIP> Any one have any 
 other suggestions?
  >>
I have been using a product caled Ospho to treat rust on my '83 D. This 
product has had very pleasing results. It turns the rusted metal into Iron 
Phosphide instead of Iron Oxide. It uses phosphoric acid so you have to be 
careful when useing it and wash it off after its done replacing the oxygen 
but after that I have used 3m's rubberizing spray which will flex with the 
metal so no more rust can come in. To make it look as though it were never 
touched, I used a grey primer hat matched the color of the epoxy almost 
exactly, I can't  remember the name but I found it at a local parts store, 
Napa or Track Auto maybe? Anyway, these products work extremely well and 
strengthen the old rust.



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:45:34 -0400
From: David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Richmond British Car Show

--Saturday September 23--
DeLorean Tech Session and Picnic lunch, all you can eat for $10 per car.

We'll be doing door adjustments, A/C charging, and general shop
maintenance.
We'll have access to a large commercial building right outside Richmond
where we can get some forty cars inside to work on thanks to Jack
Singer.

--Sunday September 24--
16th Annual Richmond British Car Days, Browns Island, Richmond, VA
Formerly known as “The Berkeley Show”,
This years featured marque is the “DeLorean” we are planning on having
at least 30 DeLoreans at the show.
$15 pre-registration, $20 Day of Show rain or shine
Field opens at 9:00am awards at 3:30pm
Contact Dennis Urick (804)527-3934 or visit the clubs web site and
download the registration form at http://www.britishcarclub.com or send
me email and I'll forward a registration form with directions and hotel
information on to you.

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573





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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:13:00 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_imap.maya.com>
Subject: Garage Door Opener Dilemma Solved!

As we all know, the only significant disadvantage to DeLorean 
ownership is that there is no obvious place in the cockpit to put a 
garage door opener.

I am pleased to announce that even this issue has been resolved.

Stanley makes a keychain-sized garage door opener (model 5905) that 
rests perfectly on the lip of the console ashtray opening. The fit is 
so good that you would almost think it was designed for the purpose. 
It takes zero modification: just plop it in and slide the ashtray 
door part against it. The color is even a near match to the gray 
interior.

I've uploaded pictures to the vault:

http://www.egroups.com/files/dmcnews/Stanley_Opener.jpg

--pete lucas
   VIN #06703



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