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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Torsion Bars supply
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Parts Supply (Was - Re: Torsion Bars supply)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

3. First Production Car
From: "Thomas B" <tjb229_at_dml_psu.edu>

4. Re: Found a car with possible PRV V6....
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

5. Re: Engine Compartment LIGHT Wiring Question.
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

6. RE: dead Delorean
From: Jeff Huneycutt <essayons07_at_dml_juno.com>

7. RE: Torsion Bar Supply
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

8. Hood weather stripping solution creates new problem
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>

9. Re: Found a car with possible PRV V6....
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Re: Interesting Stainless Steel Info
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

11. Re: Any recommendations on a Service Facility
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>

12. ground to whell well measurements
From: "Stephen Liggett" <stephen.liggett_at_dml_uc.edu>

13. New to the list
From: "Derric Clark" <dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com>

14. Alternative mirror suggestion
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:19:16 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Torsion Bars supply

I believe you are referring to my post about the dangers of adjusting 
the torsion bars. I do not mean to panic anyone about the current 
supply of torsion bars it is my understanding that at this point in 
time a sufficent supply exists. I just mean to highlight the dangers 
in adjusting them and that it is one of the more exotic parts in a 
delorean. There is no crossover to anything else and to have grumman 
(if that is still their name) make a new batch would probably be 
prohibitivly expensive. It would just be a shame to use up parts in 
this manner ie: trying to adjust the doors without knowing how to do 
it correctly and safely and ruining what would have been a perfectly 
good part. By the way the bars are handed, that is there is a left
bar 
for the left door and a right bar for the right door. Do not EVER mix 
them up. There is also a limited supply of used torsion bars, they
are 
just as good as n.o.s. if they are properly identified and handled 
carefuly, DO NOT SCRATCH THE SURFACE.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Does anyone have an idea of what the supply of torsion bars look 
like?
> I believe Grumman made them (yes,no?) and they are still in 
business.
> I don't want to start a rush on buying up torsions bars but a recent
> post said that when the current supply is gone, that's it.  Are we 
in a
> limited supply situation?
> 
> Tom
> #05732




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:36:01 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Parts Supply (Was - Re: Torsion Bars supply)

People always ask me about the parts supply - how much is left, how long, etc.

Anyone who has visited the warehouse realizes the depth and breadth 
of the supply, and this is after being the primary parts supply for 
nearly 20 years. Keep in mind that as the car gets older, most will 
get driven less, which means less accidents, less wear, etc. 
Diminishing demand. On the other side of the coin, the poorer quality 
cars will get parted out (like Erik is doing). This means an INCREASE 
in the supply of some parts.

Some parts in the warehouse there is probably a 40 year (or longer 
supply), at the current rate of consumption. As noted above, the 
'current rate of consumption' is misleading, too. Other parts there 
may be 'only' a five or ten year supply. As you all know, some parts 
are already 'gone', at least the originals. Window switches come it 
mind, as do defrost switches. Some unscrupulous individuals may have 
some of these squirelled away in their attic or garage, waiting to 
make a 'killing' when the time comes they are desireable. Similar 
replacements have been sourced for these and other parts, so supply 
(or price gouging) should not be a concern to the average owner.

Feel free to email me with comments/questions.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



>Torsion bar supplies seem no more limited than engines or doors.
>Unless there's been a run on them, I wouldn't worry. At
>the "warehouse open house" in Ohio a couple of years ago there seemed
>to be plenty. Hundreds. There are a lot of parts on a DeLorean with a
>finite quantity, luckily there is not a whole lot of demand for them
>either.



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 06:29:56 -0000
From: "Thomas B" <tjb229_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: First Production Car

Was VIN #500 ever driven?  I know it is now in the Crawford Museum, 
but did anyone ever own it?  Furthermore, why doesn't it have 
the "DMC" emblem in on the front like all the other production cars?

-Tom




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:09:14 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Found a car with possible PRV V6....

I believe that the car has an earlier version of the PRV-6 w/softer 
cam shafts, so a direct swap would not be a possibility. While 
canvasing various junkyards for parts I've run across a few PRV's. 
For a car this old, the K-Jetronic system may/may not have some parts 
such as fuel hoses that could be used. I don't know what the life-
span of the control pressure regulator, or the fuel distributor is. 
So their value to you is questionable. This engine also has a 
different type of idle speed control system that is not compatible 
with the DeLorean (2-wire, spring resistance). You might be able to 
use the same intake manifold, but you would have to go over it first 
to seal all the open vaccum connections on it so it could be used for 
the DeLorean application. All in all, the car would not have enough 
usable parts for you to use on the DeLorean. On the flip side, if you 
can get the car for a ridiculously low price it may be worth it in 
another way. You could turn a profit by 1. Reselling the car (hard). 
2. Using the car as a trade in to purchase a DeLorean (hard). 
3.Donating the car to charity for a good tax deduction. or 4. Sell 
the car for salvage (of course I'm speaking of the Volvo here. I'd 
NEVER junk a D!).

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Toscano" <toscano2_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> A guy at work is selling a 1978 Volvo 262 Bertone, out of 
curiousity I took a peek under the hood and the engine in there 
appears to be a PRV V6. Thursday I first saw it and even the air 
filter housing looked like DMC, then Friday I brought my DMC shop 
manual to work and took another look and sure enough much of the 
engine looks identical.
> 
> Have I found a PRV V6? If I purchased this car just for the engine 
would it be useful in a D? 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:15:54 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Compartment LIGHT Wiring Question.

Have you opened the unit yet to check if the bulb is burned out, 
and/or if the assembly has melted? Just curious...

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Huneycutt <essayons07_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: RE: dead Delorean

I've had so many questions concerning this car I figured I would answer on the list instead of individual e-mails.

Well...as one could expect the owner does not want to sell.  I guess he wants the car to deteriorate a little more...maybe he thinks it will add character and a pity case thus making the car worth more...ha.  

I have seen it many times before.  People own something they "plan" to fix up and never sell.  By the time they decide to sell the car is worth little more than scrap.

Oh well...will keep you posted if the owner changes his mind.

Jeff





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:28:52 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: RE: Torsion Bar Supply

dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com wrote:

> I don't want to start a rush on buying up torsions bars but a recent
> post said that when the current supply is gone, that's it.  Are we in a
> limited supply situation?

That post was mine, and I corrected it later.  DMC Houston has plenty available.  No need to rush out and buy one.

-Dave Stragand
VIN #05927
http://www.ProjectVicxen.com  (Recently updated!)




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:15:54 -0400
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Hood weather stripping solution creates new problem

I finally found an adhesive that will actually hold the hood weather stripping in
place for more than a month or two.  It is a Permatex product called, duh, "Super
Weatherstrip Adhesive", part #80".  This stuff really works great but I have created
another problem unrelated to the adhesive. Regluing the weatherstrip is a very tricky
operation, particularly around the corners and especially around the "hood flap"
area.  I worked a small section at a time using heavy duty masking tape to hold
each section in place until I was satisfied that it was completely cured.  No
problems so far.  BUT, when I arrived at the end where the two ends meet I came
up about 2 inches short.  Rather than try to redo the entire thing I would like
to simply glue in a new short 2 inch section.  Problem:  Where does one find 2
inches of OEM hood weather stripping without having to buy the whole thing?  I
haven't tried the usual sources yet, I was hoping that someone might have a scrap
piece sitting around that I could bum 2 inches from.  If so, please email me at
<rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>.  I will be happy to send you a SASE, or payment if
necessary, for your trouble.  I'm not looking for something for nothing, it's just
that I have a problem spending a couple of hundred bucks for 2 inches of OEM
weather stripping.  I'm only doing this for looks because this car is NEVER in the
rain.  If I cannot locate a scrap piece I will just leave it as it is.  Thanks.

Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:13:18 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Found a car with possible PRV V6....

The PRV-6 from the Volvo 260 has a few interchangeable parts. Unfortunately the B-28F version used in the DeLorean has an extremely low failure rate of all the internal parts, therefore keeping an old engine around just for spare parts does not sound practical, not to mention that virtually all of the DeLorean engine parts are readily available.
 
The PRV engine in the 78 Volvo is either a B-27a or B-28A, the configuration of this engine is incompatible with the DeLorean engine bay. Additionally, both of these engines had camshafts that wore out prematurely.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Toscano 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:46 AM
  Subject: [DML] Found a car with possible PRV V6....


  A guy at work is selling a 1978 Volvo 262 Bertone, out of curiousity I took a peek under the hood and the engine in there appears to be a PRV V6. Thursday I first saw it and even the air filter housing looked like DMC, then Friday I brought my DMC shop manual to work and took another look and sure enough much of the engine looks identical.

  Have I found a PRV V6? If I purchased this car just for the engine would it be useful in a D? 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:26:52 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Interesting Stainless Steel Info

If a Delorean were to be submerged in water, how long would it take 
for the panels to rust?  they said in the article that Stainless 
steel needs oxygen in order preserve itself.  Wouldn't that be weird 
to see a rusted Delorean driving around?  

Erik Geerdink
4512
Cost of Delorean - $10,000
Cost of repairs and upgrade - $!$!$!$!$
Joy of bringing a piece of crap back to a work of art - priceless




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:47:16 -0400
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>
Subject: Re: Any recommendations on a Service Facility

I live in Central Ohio and plan on buying a Delorean here soon. I can't find
a Dave Bauerle in the phonebook(I was wanting some information on service
prcies). I did check the DOA website(maybe I am stupid) and couldn't find
Dave Bauerle anywhere(yes I did check the marketplace). Thanks in advance.

Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Any recommendations on a Service Facility


> Dave L. in Indianapolis is looking for someone to check out his DeLorean.
>
> Dave, you best bet might be Dave Bauerle in Radnor, Ohio, just outside
> Columbus.  He is a first class DeLorean specialist a little more than a
three
> hour drive from you.
>
> Info is available at the DOA website:
>
> http://www.delorean-owners.org/
>
> Click on "Marketplace," then "DeLorean Service and Parts."
>
> You can also go to the DMC News "Downloadable files" page and get the list
of
> DML recommended repair facilities.
>
> http://www.dmcnews.com/files.html
>
> - Mike Substelny
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:25:09 -0000
From: "Stephen Liggett" <stephen.liggett_at_dml_uc.edu>
Subject: ground to whell well measurements

Group,

I recently replaced the 215-60-RH 14 front tires on my D with the
correct 195-60 RH 14 size. Now, it 
seems that the gap between the top of the tire and the bottom of the
wheel well rim is too big. On 
further inspection, the previous owner had a nylon strap placed
across the front end springs which is 
tight. I wonder if he put on new springs to make room for the bigger
wheels and the straps keep it from 
being too high or springy. My measurements are:


Ground to bottom of the rim of the wheel well=26 inches

top of wheel to bottom of rim of wheel well = 3 1/2 inches

Are these the dimensions for a stock vehicle?

Also, what is the recommended dimensions for a 'lowered' version?

Any comments on the nylon strap would also be appreciated.

Steve 







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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:01:11 -0000
From: "Derric Clark" <dclark_at_dml_3d2u.com>
Subject: New to the list

Hello-

I have never posted to this group before but have been reading the 
list over the past several weeks.  I am hoping to become an owner in 
the near future and the information and knowledge that I have gained 
from this list and the corresponding websites has been most helpful.  
I would like to take this time to thank everyone who posts 
information to this list and also find out if there are any owners in 
the Phoenix, Arizona area.  If so, I would like to pick your brain 
and get a look at your car if possible.

Thank you all again for your time and information,

derric clark
(future owner)




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:04:56 +0200 (DST)
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>
Subject: Alternative mirror suggestion

Hi,

Ever since first driving my DeLorean I wondered if it wouldn't be a good idea 
to replace the outside mirrors (not the housing) with 'sphered' ones to 
increase the visibility around the car. I now find the visibility through the 
outside mirrors slightly limited. All cars nowadays are equipped with them 
("objects in mirror are closer than they appear"). I know it is inapropriate 
(blasphemy even) to replace standard parts with new ones, but in the light of 
safety this might be a good idea nonetheless.

I searched the archives and site for a post regarding this but I couldn't find 
any. Has this issue been discussed before? And if yes, are there 'standard' 
replacements available?

Sacha
#17115





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