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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: POR-15 for Frame restoration
From: gonedeaf85_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Need engine
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. Re: Engine dies when clutch is engaged
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: Polishing the stainless steel
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Finding Lees Keys
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

6. Main Fuel Relay
From: madmap70_at_dml_cs.com

7. Re: Stainless Dent Removal !
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Polishing the stainless steel (Here's a possible solution)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Rear Bearing Race Removal
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: POR-15 for Frame restoration
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

11. Re: Main Fuel Relay
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

12. Re: Need engine
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

13. Summer Heat, now hard starting Q
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

14. Re: Stainless Dent Removal !
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

15. Re: Re: Important Shock Absorbers Questions!
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

16. AUSTIN, TX DeLorean owners please read
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

17. Re: POR-15 for Frame restoration
From: "dmc1982" <dmc1982_at_dml_email.msn.com>

18. Re: Summer Heat, now hard starting Q
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

19. VIN SCEDT26TODD020064
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. ADMIN: DMCNews Directory Updated
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:15:14 EDT
From: gonedeaf85_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: POR-15 for Frame restoration

I'm no genius but from what I understand rust eats away at metal. If the 
paint chips and the frame is exposed, then that area will rust. Possibly the 
rust won't spread under the paint but it will eat the metal and produces 
holes.  Those holes will then expose more metal and from there on it's a 
domino effect.  I haven't had any experience with POR-15 but I have read up 
on it.  My fiancee and I are going to start playing with our frame so I am 
following this thread with great interest.  Take care everyone.

Marni
VIN 7104



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:28:47 GMT
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need engine

Hi everyone:
   I am in need of a new engine. Anyone have one for sale? I really am not 
looking for one that needs work (that's like the one I'm replacing!). You 
can email me privately at demillerkansas_at_dml_hotmail.com. We'd have to figure 
out how to get it to Kansas City also. Thanks. De Miller Vin #3427 Lic. 
OUTATYM.


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:18:06 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine dies when clutch is engaged

Ken,

If the acceleration enrichment circuit is disabled the engine will stall when under load. When the engine is idling can you hear the frequency valve buzzing; if not you have found the source of the problem.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Montgomery, Ken 
  To: 'dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:39 PM
  Subject: [DML] Engine dies when clutch is engaged


     I'm trying to help solve a problem one of our local club members is
  having. He just had a local shop replace the radiator and hoses (all ordered
  from one of the reputable major DeLorean suppliers) and everything seemed to
  go well. He drove the car for a day with no problems but the next day the
  car would die as soon as he would start to engage the clutch. The car starts
  and idles well and will rev up fine in neutral. But as soon as the clutch
  starts to engage the engine will sputter and die. Now the car is sitting
  out, unable to make it up into the garage.

  To me this sounds like a vacuum line. But we've gone over every one of them
  and have not found a thing. If we can't find an answer soon he'll have to
  attend the club BBQ on Sunday using his motorcycle. Does anyone have any
  ideas??

  Ken



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:53:42 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Polishing the stainless steel

If there is any steel wool residue it will turn brown (rust). If you find any sections like that you can simply re-brush the area with the recommended Scotch-Brite Pad. Here is more information on maintaining your stainless steel panels
<a href=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/3755/stainless.html>

"We're here to help you"

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:43 AM
  Subject: [DML] Polishing the stainless steel


  The previous owner of my DeLorean, on the day we paid him, said,"...and you 
  can polish it with steel wool." He never said he did it himself, but I didn't 
  really know if you were supposed to do that. Of course, knowing that all of 
  you smart people would know a lot better, I checked out the many informative 
  DeLorean sites and in the DeLorean FAQ, I found that you were not supposed to 
  use steel wool, saying it would appear the the stainless steel was rusting, 
  and it was actually the tiny bits of steel wool.

  What I was wondering is:
  Is there a way to see if the car was polished by steel wool? And if it has, 
  is there a way to reverse it and take the tiny particles of steel out of the 
  stainless steel? I wouldn't want my dream car looking like it was "rusting."

  Thanks a lot,
  John Feldman
  VIN 4275


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:03:05 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Finding Lees Keys

In a message dated 8/10/00 12:02:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com writes:

<<  I heard about Lee's key blanks on the list and
 I've emailed him three times since I bought my DeLorean in June and have yet
 to receive a response from him.  I need blanks because my car never came
 with the originals and they are getting worn as it is.  If anyone on the
 list is in contact with Lee can you please ask him to drop me an email? >>

Matt-
Someone on the list wrote in awhile back saying that Don at DeLorean Motor 
Center in Garden Grove, CA had them, and possibly some other suppliers.  Or 
you can contact Ken Montgomery on this list... he knows Lee.

-Wayne
"The DeLoreran Nose Bra Guy"
vin 11174 



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:18:19 EDT
From: madmap70_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Main Fuel Relay

Any ideas on this one?  My car runs ok when warmed up except for a lack of 
power ( it is an automatic) that I am pretty certain is the lambda circuit 
(it is dead per some professional advice).  When cold, it hesitates when you 
step on the gas until warmed up.  I was checking the relays and pulled the 
Main Fuel relay along with the H.R.W. Timer relay, A/C Illumination relay and 
the Start Inhibit relay.  Put them all back in their proper place and now the 
car runs terrible.  Started it when cold and the car hovered around 500 rpm 
and every time I stepped on the gas it almost stalled out unless I punched 
the accelerator (much worse then my usual experience).  Any thoughts on how I 
screwed this up??  I think I should stick to just putting gas in it and leave 
it at that.

Mark



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:12:12 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Stainless Dent Removal !

Nick,

It all depends on the extent of the damage. The last stainless repair we had done by DMC Houston cost $250, a bargain when you consider the repair was for a left front fender.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [DML] Stainless Dent Removal !


  In a message dated 8/9/00 10:34:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  declan_at_dml_seagreentech.com writes:

  << Hi All
      I have a question, I know that this is possible but has anyone
   actually
      had this work done ... ! My roof panel has several creases in it.
   Looks like the
      previous owner tried to adjust the tension bars and .... well you
   know the rest.
      But anyway I would like to have it repaired.
      A new one is costs approx $450 ... 
    >>

  Hey Declan,

      I have a dent on my t-panel also, I had sent James Espey an e-mail about 
  trying to repair it, and he said that the labor to repair it will be about 
  the cost of getting a new one.  You have to realize that when repairing 
  something like this, the cost will add up to the price of a new one very 
  quickly and isn't really cost effective to get it repaired.  Thats why I have 
  to get a new one too.  James Espey, if I am wrong with any of this info 
  please correct me.  I don't want to give out misleading info.  Thanks.

  Later,
  Nick
  1852



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:03:57 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Polishing the stainless steel (Here's a possible solution)

We have never had a problem removing any type of staining, including browning from steel wool, from the DeLorean stainless steel panels. Keep in mind that the 304 grade stainless steel used in the DeLorean is corrosion proof and will not stain. (stainless)

John,

Relax, steel wool will not permanently stain your STAINLESS!

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jason Johnston 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [DML] Polishing the stainless steel (Here's a possible solution)


  This is hard but if the stainless steel has steel wool in it, it is probably 
  non-removable. I say this because the steel reacts with the Chromium Oxide 
  protective layer on the stainless steel. Unless the Chromium Oxide layer 
  were removed, the steel wool won't come out. (I have never tried this but it 
  might work for this situation. If you could get a fairly strong 
  electromagnet, attach some sandpaper on to it and buff the panels. If it 
  works (and the magnet is strong enough) the electromagnet might be able to 
  pull the steel wool out as the sandpaper cleans the surface. Since I don't 
  even know if it is even possible, I can't say it will work. BUT someone 
  might be able to try.)
  Thats my 2 steels worth (I mean 2 cents)

  Jason Johnston,
  DMC Enthusiast and Researcher,
  Kemco Industries, Inc.
  Fort Worth, Texas

  The previous owner of my DeLorean, on the day we paid him, said,"...and you 
  can polish it with steel wool." He never said he did it himself, but I 
  didn't really know if you were supposed to do that. Of course, knowing that 
  all of you smart people would know a lot better, I checked out the many 
  informative DeLorean sites and in the DeLorean FAQ, I found that you were 
  not supposed to use steel wool, saying it would appear the the stainless 
  steel was rusting, and it was actually the tiny bits of steel wool.

  What I was wondering is:
  Is there a way to see if the car was polished by steel wool? And if it has, 
  is there a way to reverse it and take the tiny particles of steel out of the 
  stainless steel? I wouldn't want my dream car looking like it was "rusting."

  Thanks a lot,
  John Feldman
  VIN 4275



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:57:22 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Rear Bearing Race Removal

In replacing the rear axle bearings, how does one remove the inside, inner 
bearing race from the axle shaft?  There are no access points on the shaft to 
drive the race off. I checked the workshop manual and it doesn't seem to 
address rear bearings at all.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
    Steve
    VIN 2650  (Project Delorean)
    www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean



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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:15:55 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: POR-15 for Frame restoration

You are correct but I didn't mean that I would leave it chipped. If 
left it will rust out a hole, but it will be alot easir to repair a 
small rust hole then and entire frame that was weakend by rust 
because it spread under the coating and you couldn't see it. 

It will also be easier to repair that chipped area with a "touch up" 
of POR-15. You only have to apply the POR-15 to that area to cover 
the chip where as with the Epoxy paint (or any other paint) you would 
have to remove the epoxy from the surrounding area to make sure the 
rust hasn't spread, prep the metal again with some chemical to 
neutrilize the rust then put on a coat of more epoxy paint. Since you 
can paint over rust with the POR-15 (and it will stop the rust), 
there is not that much preping to do on the metal but to just remove 
loose rust. The same goes for Powder coating, if it chips only the 
area exposed will rust but it's not that easy to repair powder 
coating unless you feel like removing your frame again and having re-
powder coated or you can patch that chip with POR-15.

I have had alot responses on this and I thank everyone who did. I 
have read and heard that some people are going to powder their frame 
and there are other who have used and are very satisfied with the POR-
15 results. I am going to use the POR-15 for a number of reasons:

1. It's cheaper and easier (planning a wedding realy hurts the pocket 
for other things).

2. I can do it myself (I am a true "do-it-yourselfer").

3. Easier to repair IF it does chip, and from what I have heard the 
only thing that hurts the POR-15 is Brake fluid.

I'll post my results with pictures on my website when I have 
everything done.

Steve
www.dmcman.homestead.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, gonedeaf85_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I'm no genius but from what I understand rust eats away at metal. 
If the 
> paint chips and the frame is exposed, then that area will rust. 
Possibly the 
> rust won't spread under the paint but it will eat the metal and 
produces 
> holes.  Those holes will then expose more metal and from there on 
it's a 
> domino effect.  I haven't had any experience with POR-15 but I have 
read up 
> on it.  My fiancee and I are going to start playing with our frame 
so I am 
> following this thread with great interest.  Take care everyone.
> 
> Marni
> VIN 7104




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:50:26 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Main Fuel Relay

Mark,
 
Based on your description here is what I think has happened. As you indicated you probably have a problem in the fuel enrichment circuit. When you re-inserted the Lambda relay one of the female contact blades for the relay may have been pushed down inside the relay socket. To determine if this has happened pull the relay and look down inside the socket and confirm that all the female contacts are visible. You may also have a problem in the idle speed circuit if the engine is idling less than 750 RPM's.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: madmap70_at_dml_cs.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:18 AM
  Subject: [DML] Main Fuel Relay


  Any ideas on this one?  My car runs ok when warmed up except for a lack of 
  power ( it is an automatic) that I am pretty certain is the lambda circuit 
  (it is dead per some professional advice).  When cold, it hesitates when you 
  step on the gas until warmed up.  I was checking the relays and pulled the 
  Main Fuel relay along with the H.R.W. Timer relay, A/C Illumination relay and 
  the Start Inhibit relay.  Put them all back in their proper place and now the 
  car runs terrible.  Started it when cold and the car hovered around 500 rpm 
  and every time I stepped on the gas it almost stalled out unless I punched 
  the accelerator (much worse then my usual experience).  Any thoughts on how I 
  screwed this up??  I think I should stick to just putting gas in it and leave 
  it at that.

  Mark





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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:55:59 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Need engine

What's wrong with your old one? Did the crank go bad, timing chain, 
head gasket leak, cylinder scored, etc? They are not that hard to 
rebuild at all, may be cheaper and better since if you get another 
used one you won't know what history it has. I know that DMC Houston 
has NOS crated engines, fully assembled with alternator, compressor, 
air intake, fuel distributor, etc. for sale for like $4,000+ give 
them a call. From what I understand you just have to drop these in 
and connect all of the wiring and hoses.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "De Miller" <demillerkansas_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi everyone:
>    I am in need of a new engine. Anyone have one for sale? I really 
am not 
> looking for one that needs work (that's like the one I'm 
replacing!). You 
> can email me privately at demillerkansas_at_dml_h... We'd have to figure 
> out how to get it to Kansas City also. Thanks. De Miller Vin #3427 
Lic. 
> OUTATYM.
> 
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:36:09 -0500
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Summer Heat, now hard starting Q

I recently threw my D on a trailer and moved from Grand Rapids, MI (cloudy, and mild temps) to Austin, Texas (102 degree big, flaming ball in the sky that just won't quit).  

My DeLorean has NEVER had a starting problem ever.  The first time I started it in Austin it took five long cranks and then finally sputtered to life and ran poorly for the first minute.  This continues now EVERY time I try to start it when its hot out.  And, well, it's been triple digit temps all eight days I've been here.

I, at first, accounted it as vapor lock but it does it even when the engine is cold.  Then I thought maybe it's the Michigan gas, our votility levels are different than Texas due to our "unpredictable", and colder weather conditions.  So, late last night I threw a fresh tank of premium in and gave her a few high speed rips up and down I-35 but I haven't had the chance to drive it today.

What would cause such a DRASTIC change in it's personality just because I moved into a hotter environment, and what can be done about it?  Thank you.

Chris
GIGAWAT
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:45:15 -0500
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Dent Removal !

But either way, can I stress that people please DO NOT dispose of their
dented panels.  "New" panels I understand are not "new" they are just OEMs
that are left over in stock which means that someday, maybe not now, but
someday we will be looking for anything we can get our hands on.

Chris "Crossing my fingers and hoping to never need a new panel" Coplen
3876

----- Original Message -----
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Stainless Dent Removal !


> Nick,
>
> It all depends on the extent of the damage. The last stainless repair we
had done by DMC Houston cost $250, a bargain when you consider the repair
was for a left front fender.
>
> "We're here to help you"
>
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
>   To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:17 AM
>   Subject: Re: [DML] Stainless Dent Removal !
>
>
>   In a message dated 8/9/00 10:34:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>   declan_at_dml_seagreentech.com writes:
>
>   << Hi All
>       I have a question, I know that this is possible but has anyone
>    actually
>       had this work done ... ! My roof panel has several creases in it.
>    Looks like the
>       previous owner tried to adjust the tension bars and .... well you
>    know the rest.
>       But anyway I would like to have it repaired.
>       A new one is costs approx $450 ...
>     >>
>
>   Hey Declan,
>
>       I have a dent on my t-panel also, I had sent James Espey an e-mail
about
>   trying to repair it, and he said that the labor to repair it will be
about
>   the cost of getting a new one.  You have to realize that when repairing
>   something like this, the cost will add up to the price of a new one very
>   quickly and isn't really cost effective to get it repaired.  Thats why I
have
>   to get a new one too.  James Espey, if I am wrong with any of this info
>   please correct me.  I don't want to give out misleading info.  Thanks.
>
>   Later,
>   Nick
>   1852
>
>
>
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>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:52:48 -0500
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Important Shock Absorbers Questions!

Well, he told me they were now totally out when he gave me his last pair
about two months ago.   In fact, the pair he gave me came off of a rolling
chassis he had in the warehouse.  That's what I was told so who knows for
sure?  One thing I know for sure is that my DeLorean is LOVING it's new
shocks.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 10:33 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Important Shock Absorbers Questions!


> I'm sure James will jump in any second, but did anyone call Wynne on
> this? I recall in a visit to the warehouse seeing cartons of shocks
> (admittedly 18-year-old ones) and I bought a pair from him a couple
> of years ago that looked shiny new and performed fine (i.e. just as stiff
as the originals!).
>
> There are two styles of "original" shocks by the way - one that needs
> spacers on the lower end ane one that has a long sleeve and needs no
> spacers.
>
> There are other options, see
> http://www.midstatedmc.com/parts/shocks.html  for example.
>
> Dave Swingle
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> > Yup, it's true the front shock absorbers are VERY hard to get if
> not
> > impossible. Rob at PJ Grady just had some custom made shocks (front
> > and rear) made up to be the exact match to the original ones,
> > dimension wise. You do not need to perform any modifications at all
>
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:00:28 -0500
From: "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: AUSTIN, TX DeLorean owners please read

I've been a "lurker" member of the DML for just over four years now and last week I moved from Grand Rapids, Michigan to the Austin, TX area.  I am looking for a few good people to get in contact with to find out about both the local DeLorean scene and the "car" scene in general.

Can any Austin area members please e-mail me directly at blarness_at_dml_ix.netcom.com or 1.21gigawatts_at_dml_usa.net.  I would greatly appreciate it.  Thank you!

Chris
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:12:55 -0400
From: "dmc1982" <dmc1982_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: POR-15 for Frame restoration

Although I have not needed POR-15 on my DeLorean frame, my wife's Nash
metropolitan needed extensive frame TLC. I researched the available products
and chose POR. The paint over rust is just what the name implies, you need
oxidized or etched metal for it to bond. It is amazing stuff that dries to a
ceramic hardness.
The rustier the frame the better it works. There is even a putty available
for larger holes but is not structural enough for strengthening a frame.
If you use this stuff, use rubber gloves because it DOES NOT come off the
skin.
It has been on the Met for two years now and still looks like new. Also
remember it will not stick on the epoxy frame coating on our existing
frames.

Cecil Longwisch
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:28:05 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Summer Heat, now hard starting Q

In a way I'm kina glad to hear about this; it means I'm not the only 
one! I've been having the exact same problems that you have, but 
thought that it might be due to other factors on my engine. Warm 
temps in spring time: no problem. Summer heat: hard starting. If 
you're out some place and you need to leave in a hurry, swapping the 
cold start valve & the control pressure regulator plugs will get you 
going in a hurry. Now for the interesting part! If you turn to 
section D:01:15 of the workshop manual under Electrical Circuit 
Function, the last paragraph reads (bad punctuation included):
"The car is wired for a hot start relay. This relay can be installed 
if a hot starting problem is experienced in excessively hot regions 
of the country. When this relay is used is used, the cold start valve 
will inject intermittently durring cranking when engine is hot."
If anyone here knows how/where to install this relay, let us know. It 
would definately same me a bit of embarassment in the parking lot! 

In the mean time replacing the air filter, and removing the air inlet 
valve in the summer months will allow the engine to breath alot 
easier. Plus a tune up wouldn't hurt. Pep Boys sells some high 
performance wires that are a perfect fit, plus you can get one of the 
improved ignition coils there as well. If you also decide to change 
the distributor & rotor cap, DO NOT USE A CROSS-OVER PART!!! Borg-
Warner has a distributor cap that fits, but the OEM unit by BOSCH 
that DMC Houston sells is a heavier, sturdier unit. The BW is 
thinner, and just seems "cheaper" in comparison. Plus for daily 
driving, the pick-up line in the fuel tank can give you problems. In 
traffic it can collapse causing the engine to lug. If you get below 
1/8 tank it can starve the engine totally. And if they aren't working 
properly, a new set of ballast resistors as well. All of these items 
will help make for easier starting, plus will improve performance! 
Lastly, buy a sun shade from DMC Houston, they are worth every dime! 
It not only saves your dash, but will keep the intierior reasonably 
cool (compared to the outside).

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Chris Coplen" <blarness_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> I recently threw my D on a trailer and moved from Grand Rapids, MI 
(cloudy, and mild temps) to Austin, Texas (102 degree big, flaming 
ball in the sky that just won't quit).  
> 
> My DeLorean has NEVER had a starting problem ever.  The first time 
I started it in Austin it took five long cranks and then finally 
sputtered to life and ran poorly for the first minute.  This 
continues now EVERY time I try to start it when its hot out.  And, 
well, it's been triple digit temps all eight days I've been here.
> 
> I, at first, accounted it as vapor lock but it does it even when 
the engine is cold.  Then I thought maybe it's the Michigan gas, our 
votility levels are different than Texas due to our "unpredictable", 
and colder weather conditions.  So, late last night I threw a fresh 
tank of premium in and gave her a few high speed rips up and down I-
35 but I haven't had the chance to drive it today.
> 
> What would cause such a DRASTIC change in it's personality just 
because I moved into a hotter environment, and what can be done about 
it?  Thank you.
> 
> Chris
> GIGAWAT
> #3876
> 
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:36:21 GMT
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: VIN SCEDT26TODD020064

Hi everybody, I check ebay, and yahoo alot, and I found a delorean in Miami, 
and the VIN was SCEDT26TODD020064 and I red about the Canidan deloreans that 
had VIN 20000, or 200000 (I don't remember which one it was). Is this a 
Cadidan car? Here is the url if you want some eye candy!
http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/29733863
John Giedosh a.k.a. Fronzel Neekburm
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:01:47 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: ADMIN: DMCNews Directory Updated

Thanks to Ken Montgomery's continued efforts, I have just uploaded the most
current version of the DeLorean Owners directory. This is the version that
available at Cleveland in June and was current at that time. If you have
submitted input since then, it will appear in the NEXT issue in late
August/early September.

If you have been given a password to the directory area it will still work.

If you have any questions on this please see
http://www.dmcnews.com/directory.html for how to get listed and how to get
access.

Dave Swingle




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