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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Deloreans made in Canada by Stephen Payne
From: "Erik Geerdink" <>

2. Re: Wide black stripe

3. Deloreans made in Canada by Stephen Payne
From: "Mike Cutting" <>

4. Found my DeLorean cousin...

5. Toll Booth Window- Fixed!
From: John Yeoman <>

6. Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!

7. Dead Fuel Sending Unit

8. RE: Alternative mirror suggestion
From: "Gus Schlachter" <>

9. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Gabe W." <>

10. First Place at Car Shows
From: David Sontos <>

11. Rear Alignment How-To
From: "J Rowe" <>

12. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: Mark Noeltner <>


14. Re: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!
From: " " <>

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 05:49:44 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <>
Subject: Re: Deloreans made in Canada by Stephen Payne

I'll go!!!!  I'm happy to say I will even bring my Delorean this 
time.  After months of delays and new things added, I am proud to say 
that I pick up 4512 Labor Day weekend.  The last time I drove it with 
glory was the end of October of last year!  I wanted to take it to 
Cleveland, but that didn't work, so this Canada thing would be 
great!  Count me in!

Erik Geerdink

--- In, kkoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:
> If I can get the publisher of the paper to sponsor a Delorean show
> just for a weekend how many of you would like to attend


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 07:30:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe

I have the stripes.  Write me and we can discuss.  joelpash_at_dml_yahoo

--- In, AlSiegel_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Does anyone know of where I can buy this?  I love that wide black 
stripe and 
> want to place it on my DeLorean.  Any help would be greatly 
>     Albert Siegel


Message: 3
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:19:21 -0400
From: "Mike Cutting" <>
Subject: Deloreans made in Canada by Stephen Payne

if the "show" that we are talking about would be in canada, (more specificly
ontario) i would be interested in attending.  i live in new liskeard which
is 5 hours north of toronto.  :)

Mike Cutting


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:25:32 EDT
Subject: Found my DeLorean cousin...

Dear Group,
    Yesterday my sister informed me that a DeLorean was located at a gas 
station near her house.  I don't know about the rest of you, but when I know 
of a D near me I like to go and check it out.  I immediately travel to this 
gas station located about 5 miles from my house.  When I get there sure 
enough there is a D sitting there with the driver's door barely open.  I 
immediately notice it is an 81 D, louvers missing, that has seen better days. 
 I don't bother looking too closely at it until I find out who the owner is.  
I ask the gas station mechanics who the owner of the car is and they tell me 
it is some guy from Virginia who is in California right now (but the car has 
NC tags on it).  After a little chatting with them, they give me permission 
to look the car over as much as I like.  I approach the car to check its VIN 
and to my surprise I see it is car #5003.  WOW!  It is only 3 away from mine. 
 The mechanics say they have recently put a clutch in it, but it needs a lot 
more work.  The car has been exposed most of its life to the elements and is 
suffering from years of storage related problems.  I am glad to see that it 
is still alive, but it is on life support.  Is the owner of this car on the 
list?  If you are, I would like to talk to you sometime.  So now I have seen 
D's just below (for reference #4998) and just above my own car.  I wonder if 
I will ever see the other VINs right around my own??

Darren Decker
VIN 5000......alive and well.


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Yeoman <>
Subject: Toll Booth Window- Fixed!

Dear DML,

Thank you for your kind suggestions on how to solve my
toll booth window woes.  What I ended up doing though,
was calling Steven Wynne at DMC Houston.  He said that
the problem was that the window was too far to one
direction or the other, and that was causing the
carrier to pop off the guide.  Even Gus' suggestion of
leaving the interior trim off helped a bit.  After
receiving help from DMC Houston, I went out to the car
and ran the window up and down, with interior trim
off, while watching what happened to the carrier and
guides.  While running the window up, I noticed that
the window was too far forward in the carrier, causing
the carrier to be pushed backward, pulling the front
end off the guide.  Went to an auto glass place and
had them take the window out of the carrier and got
some auto glass urethane adhesive.  Back at home, put
the glue on the carrier, and put the carrier back in
the door.  Slid the window back into the carrier, ran
the carrier up to the top, and used a screwdriver to
push the carrier up as far as it would go.  Waited for
glue to dry, ran window up and down, and success! The
carrier was no longer pulled off the front guide. 
Hope this might be of help to someone who has the same
problem I did.

John Yeoman

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:08:26 EDT
Subject: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!


  I just had to share this weekends activities with the list. It was the the 
worst and best Delorean experience all in one long day.
I left my home near the WI & IL line _at_dml_ 0200 early Sat A.M. headed to 
Lichfield, IL (about 225 miles one way) to have my new "D" Suspension package 
put in. When I was about three miles from home I noticed my lights go dim and 
a quick power surge. When I stopped I had four lights out. The driver side 
red & yellow marker lights the rear driver running light and the front yellow 
parking light.  I found I had a blown 15 Amp fuse in the #2 position (I think 
that was the slot). I had the choice of several 20 & 30 Amps but nothing 
less. Since it was 0215 in the A.M. and nothing open I had to go with a 20 
amp. Not a good choice but better than no choice. 

As I was going around a shape curve at 35 to 40 mph disaster stuck. First a 
burning smell and then no lights anywhere on the "D".  No headlights, no 
inside lights and I'm going around a shape bend like I'm blindfolded.  After 
I managed to adjust my xray vision I drove the "D" to a lighted parking lot 
of the "Ecolab" company. I looked things over and found my headlight switch 
had stuck in the on position. I had no low beam headlights, no running rear 
lights (I did have brake lights) no dash lights but the "D' still runs. I 
decide to wait to daylight and make the run to Marty/Micah's. At 0600 I 
started again with my "D" and no lights. On the way down my power windows 
went out in the down position and near the end my radio quit too. But the 
good news is I reach Micahs place at 0945.
After explaining my situation we went to work on the suspension, which went 
very well thanks to Marty's expertise. What a great package. 
Micah (The Greg Morris, "Mission Imposssible" type guy ) the electrical 
wizzard of Litchfield, IL went to work on the melted remains of a once 
funtional electrical system. At about 1830 we had the "D" back together with 
an updated suspension, updated electrical relays and a complete inspection of 
every wire and part in the fuse box area. Micah and Marty nearly rebuilt the 
electrical system and suspension system in one day.I left Micah's at about 
dark (tired, no sleep since Thursday night) but thrilled I was 100% ready for 
the return. As I drove towards the interstate the real comfort of the new 
suspension was nothing short of fantastic. Micah lives out in the rural area 
with many bumps and stones. The "D" drove like a dream. 

Then disaster hits a second time. I'm driving at 45 and the car shuts off. 
Like some one pulled the plug. Now I'm three or four miles from Micah's, on a 
country road, Its dark and I'm walking to Micah's.  A guy with a pickup pulls 
up looking for directions from me and he's more lost than I am. He agreed to 
take me to Micah's where I assured him the electrical doctor would direct him 
to anywhere in the world he wanted to go. (I was desperate I didn't want to 
walk the last mile or two I would have told him anything he wanted to hear to 
get the ride.) 
Marty, Micah, and I went to my "D" and found out a fuel pump relay had given 
out. We went back to Micah's and from his array of new and used parts 
inventory he came up with the right part.  In ten minutes I'm up and running 
and back on the road. 
The 4 hour trip back was shear Delorean fun. The car drove better than when 
it was new. The suspension was better than I could have ever hoped for. The 
electrical system was working perfectly and I pulled into the garage at 0120 
today almost 24 hours later really tired, but one very happy camper. Thank 
you Micah & Marty for turning a disaster into such a rewarding experience. 
You guys are top shelf and I wanted the DML to know about some of the trurly 
dedicated & helpful members we have out there.

Bill (11596)


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:42:48 -0000
Subject: Dead Fuel Sending Unit

Does anyone on the list have a dead fuel sending unit for sale, cheap?
The reason I want one is to try some expermentation with a Bosch unit 
I found in a humpback Saab. I need to compare the resistance 
readings, float values, and measure float movement etc. to try and 
compare the differences between the 2 units.
If I can't make this work, I'll pop for the Tankzilla, but I want to 
try. (I fried mine testing it with a battery charger).


Jim Coleman
Waco, TX


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:45:57 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <>
Subject: RE: Alternative mirror suggestion

Bob and others,

I have searched but cannot find the convex mirror that I originally bought.
Like I said, it was too large and I destroyed it trying to trim it, so I
gave up.

I made a cutout of my current mirror size and went looking again.  While I
don't think I found the one I used before, I did find another candidate.
It's Motormite "LOOK!" #51063.  I've put a scan of it in the vault (with a
US quarter for scale):

  <A HREF="

It will fit over the current mirror without modification, but barely.  It
has to sit crooked, and will catch if the breakaway mirror housing is folded
with the mirror toward the car.  But the visibility is sooooo much better!
I think to fit correctly it would need a cut on two sides, in which case
almost any mirror would do.  There were other Motormite mirrors that were
close, but they still looked like they'd need two cuts.  I still haven't
given up on finding an OEM mirror somewhere that will fit....

Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Brandys []
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DML] Alternative mirror suggestion
> What type of Toyota was it. I would be willing to cut the mirror
> to size if it would fit.
> bob Brandys


Message: 9
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:13:36 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <>
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

I'm interested in getting a delorean for my 1st car and was wondering what
condition a delorean would be in for around 10,000 dollars.


Message: 10
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:14:24 -0400
From: David Sontos <>
Subject: First Place at Car Shows

The only problem in winning first place in your category at car shows is
where do you put all of the trophies. First place at the Shriners Show
and Shine Car Show in Chesapeake Virginia. When are you guys going to
give me some competition?

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573


Message: 11
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:21:51 -0500
From: "J Rowe" <>
Subject: Rear Alignment How-To

        Hello All, 

               I took my 81' to Sears to the other day to have the alignmnet
checked since it had been pulling to the left a little. They managed to get
the front end back in spec but they said that they couln't fighure out how to do
the rear. According to them and the computer the rear is out of spec . Could 
someone explain to me how to do the rear so I can tell them how to. According 
to their computer printout the spec range is .40degrees - .56degrees. I'm sitting
at .39 right now. I noticed that my car is still pulling to the left so I guess I need
to have it done. Can anyone help?

                              Thanks in Advance ............Jason #5903

            P.S. The Kruse Auction in Auburn Indiana is coming up in a couple of weeks. I think last
                    year they had about 8500 cars there. I consider it a big car show. 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Message: 12
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:58:26 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <>
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

You can search the archives for more on this subject, as it has been
discussed many times in the past.

I personally don't recommend owning a D for your 1st car, especially if you
only have $10,000 to spend. You can get a running, driveable D for that
amount if you look around enough, but it will still need a lot of work,
which means more money.

I tried this years ago with a Triumph TR6. I had just enough money to buy
it, then tried to use it as my daily driver until I could fix it up. All I
succeeded in doing was spending a lot of money on parts just to keep it
running and never had enough extra money or time to actually get it into
great shape. You'll probably find the same thing. A $10,000 D will run, but
probably won't be really reliable, so you'll end up spending lots of money
just keeping it running. Your family and friends will be convinced that
this is the most unreliable car in the world after giving you rides all the

Other people on the list have mentioned the $20,000 rule. You can either
buy a good D for $20,000, or you can spend $10,000 for one, plus another
$10,000 to get it into shape (substitute any two numbers adding up to 20,000).

I strongly recommend having a 2nd reliable car to drive, at least while you
are working the bugs out of your D. They can be a very reliable car. But
since they are almost 20 years old, they are going to need a lot of work to
get them there just like any other car that old.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 01:13 PM 8/20/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm interested in getting a delorean for my 1st car and was wondering what
>condition a delorean would be in for around 10,000 dollars.


Message: 13
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:38:08 -0000

Lately, I've caught myself complaining about the high price of 
Delorean parts. True, they are expensive, but in most cases are still 
available, which is a miracle in itself. The Delorean dealers have 
had to invest large amounts of money and time to find and warehouse 
the parts; and have gambled that owners like you and I will buy the 
parts to maintain our cars. As an owner, I want to keep my car in as 
good a shape as I can afford, which means that I have to wait until I 
have the extra money to replace non-safety items. I'd like to see a 
discount club started from the suppliers for Delorean owners - 
monthly 10% off deals, or something like that to show that they truly 
appreciate our business. (which I know they do).
I am not in the Delorean Parts business, but do have another 
collector car- a '57 Thunderbird that has fairly expensive parts, too.
The T-Bird suppliers do a different discount program monthly to 
motivate us to spend more, and it works! I'm slowly doing a frame-off 
on this car, and spend as I can on it as well. Having 2 "babies" 
means I have to watch my restoration and maintenance dollars closely.

This is only my opinion, and is thrown out for whatever it's worth.


Message: 14
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:29:18 -0000
From: " " <>
Subject: Re: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!

I read your long post with great interest. You really had a bad day 
with your electrical system. What I really want to know more about 
though is what exactly is your suspension upgrade? What parts are 
replaced and what adjustments are required? Please post to the list 
for everyone's benefit. 

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, billschaferabn_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Group,
>   I just had to share this weekends activities with the list. It
the the 
> worst and best Delorean experience all in one long day.
> I left my home near the WI & IL line _at_dml_ 0200 early Sat A.M. headed