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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

2. Re: Orphan Auto Picnic, Illinois
From: Owen3164ever_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Re: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Dead Fuel Sending Unit
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Rear Alignment How-To
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: First Place at Car Shows
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>

7. Thanks everyone!
From: aaron_at_dml_foosystems.com

8. Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car
From: "Jason Johnston" <kenworth_77_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Re: How to read a vin number
From: "Jason Johnston" <kenworth_77_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Dayton Air Force Museum
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

11. DeLorean in British Paper!
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

12. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

13. Re: Alternative mirror suggestion
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

14. Re: First Place at Car Shows
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: the Kruse Auction in Auburn Indiana
From: aabclafon_at_dml_aol.com

16. vin 5730
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

17. Re: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

18. Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

19. Re: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

20. Re: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

21. Re: vin 5730
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

22. Colored Deloreans -- not painting per se
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

23. Re: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

24. RE: Alternative mirror suggestion
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:23:14 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

I bought my Delorean for $10,000.  Listed is the work I have done to 
it.
redo seats
new clutch and all hydrolics
new brakes
dismantle transmission and engine to replace all seals and to take 
care of some much needed areas.
repainted fascias
replace just about every hose
redo headliners
rebuild steering rack
clean carpets
All that has cost me over $6000 in parts and labor, and I still need 
to remove some minor dings, replace dashboard and binnicle, 
and......a new frame.  
If you are going to buy a Delorean and you want to drive it everyday, 
then go all out and get a really nice one and know the history.  
Personally, I wanted to revive a sad delorean, I just didn't know how 
sad my delorean really was.  
Oh, the delorean was my second car, but I did buy it when I was 18.  
If you go the way I did, just remember that everything doesn't need 
to be done at once, and buy delorean parts.  Sometimes they may be a 
little bit more, but for the most part they are reasonably price and 
you get great service from the dealers.  If you would like to know 
more about buying a Delorean in this price range, let me know.  I'll 
share with you everything you want to know.  Good luck!

Erik Geerdink
4512
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I'm interested in getting a delorean for my 1st car and was 
wondering what
> condition a delorean would be in for around 10,000 dollars.




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:29:01 EDT
From: Owen3164ever_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Orphan Auto Picnic, Illinois

I went to that today.  It was really cool.  They did have a DeLorean....a 
Back to the Future DeLorean!!!  License plate read "TYMACHN" I bieleve.  Was 
anyone else there today?  It was a good site to see.  They had a Renault from 
France there, and an Alto-Romero(something like that).
Later.



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:18:13 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!

DML,


 Dave asked what parts were replaced on the suspension system. Marty could 
tell you better but basically the old original shocks or struts were replaced 
with a new Monroe replacement. The old springs were used again and all we did 
was sand blast the dirty cone holder in the rear, and repainted them. Nothing 
else was changed but what I got is a softer less harsh ride. Now every bump 
doesn't shake the tar out of me and I feel the road better. In effect the new 
product brings the ride to a modern level. Hope that helps.

Bill (11596)



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:34:10 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Dead Fuel Sending Unit

Jim, 
I can probably come up with the resistance values. Give me a day or two. I 
have been through this already.
John Hervey
11004
Dallas



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:08:15 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Rear Alignment How-To

Jason,

All that is required for adjusting the rear is either adding or deleting the trailing arm pivot bolt shims. This subject is covered in detail in the Workshop Manual at K:08:01. Service Bulletin ST-34-1/82 contains up-dated information on alignment procedures and specifications.

It would be wise to give this information to your alignment people.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J Rowe 
  To: DeLorean News 
  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:21 PM
  Subject: [DML] Rear Alignment How-To


          Hello All, 

                 I took my 81' to Sears to the other day to have the alignmnet
  checked since it had been pulling to the left a little. They managed to get
  the front end back in spec but they said that they couln't fighure out how to do
  the rear. According to them and the computer the rear is out of spec . Could 
  someone explain to me how to do the rear so I can tell them how to. According 
  to their computer printout the spec range is .40degrees - .56degrees. I'm sitting
  at .39 right now. I noticed that my car is still pulling to the left so I guess I need
  to have it done. Can anyone help?

                                Thanks in Advance ............Jason #5903




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:27:51 -0400
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: First Place at Car Shows

> The only problem in winning first place in your category
> at car shows is where do you put all of the trophies. 

What an absolutely horrific problem to have!!  I know you must be
wrenching in excruciating anguish.  You might get some relief if
you show up next month at the British Car Day Show in Richmond on
Browns Island.  As I understand it, the DeLorean is the featured
marque this year and they are expecting at least 30 DeLoreans.
For details go to <http://www.britishcarclub.com/> and click on
"British Car Day".  See you there??

Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:55:07 -0000
From: aaron_at_dml_foosystems.com
Subject: Thanks everyone!

I just wanted to give everyone a big thanks for all of the 
information that you have all posted. I've been lurking around for 
the last several months, trying to gather as much information about 
DeLoreans as possible so that I would know what to look for when the 
time came to fulfill my dream of owning one. 

And that time is right now, because I am now the proud new owner of 
VIN #3396!! Its a beautiful '81 with a gray interior and wide dealer 
stripes. Right now its at PJ Grady's receiving some TLC in the form 
of a new alternator, door pistons, and fluid change. I can't 
recommend PJ Grady's enough if you're thinking about buying a 
DeLorean, by the way. Rob Grady (who sold me the car on consignment) 
went above and beyond in helping me select and buy my dream car.

So, it is with great joy that I join the ranks of all the other 
DeLorean owners out there and "Live the Dream".

Thanks again!! 

Aaron Knoll
#3396 (woo hoo!)




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:04:56 CDT
From: "Jason Johnston" <kenworth_77_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car


This is for anyone who might be buying a DeLorean for the First time as a 
first car.

I agree that you should have a second reliable car when purchasing a 
DeLorean so you can still get around while you make your DeLorean look 
excellent and run like a champ. Here is a suggestion for the young car owner 
who is buying a first car: [I know it is a sin to mention another car over a 
DeLorean, but hear me out] See if you can an old VW Scirocco. I recently 
managed to find one and will purchase it as a first car and as my daily 
driver while I prepare for my DeLorean purchase. This particular VW was 
designed by Guigaro (or however you spell his name) who also - suprise - 
designed the DeLorean. The similarities are remarkable. The fronts are so 
close if a see a silver Scirocco from the distance I get the two confused. 
Just a thought from someone who is in the same boat with you.

Also I am not saying to buy this car over the DeLorean (NEVER) but for a 
student with limited income, it might be an econmical purchase while you 
work on your delorean.

Jason Johnston,
DMC Enthusiast and Researcher,
Kemco Industries, Inc.
Fort Worth, Texas
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:54:24 CDT
From: "Jason Johnston" <kenworth_77_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: How to read a vin number

VIN Numbers...
For those new owners that are confused about VINs. The sign off for DMC 
owners is the production number of the car. In the case of VIN 
SCEDT26T7BD006644 - the production number would be [ 006644 minus 500 which 
would be 006144 ] Your sign off number would be VIN 6644.
Any one else can add to this concerning the other parts of the VIN code.

Jason Johnston,
DMC Enthusiast and Researcher,
Kemco Industries, Inc.
Fort Worth, Texas

"Could someone tell me how to read a vin#.  Mine is:
SCEDT26T7BD006644."


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:36:09 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Dayton Air Force Museum

Hi
The DCO Club of Ohio run by Mike and Patty (remember the Cleveland tour 
Tapes) is sponsoring its summer get together at the Dayton Air Force Museum 
August 26th (this Saturday).  We are meeting for lunch at Crackerbarrel at 
exit 54 Springfield Ohio off of I 70.  We are meeting at 11:00.  After lunch 
we are going over to the Museum and expect to be at the Museum at around 
12:45.  I believe its off exit 15 on 675 about 15 minutes from Crackerbarrel. 
 If you are interested in joining the DCO or are interested in the event just 
e-mail me back.  The Museum is no charge.  Lunch is what you order.

thanks

Ken



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:04:37 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: DeLorean in British Paper!

Just received a copy of the 'Daily Mail' dated 14 July, 2000 ... forwarded
by relatives at home. It has a section on 'Stars Cars' ... first one is a
DeLorean which was owned by John Taylor, Duran Duran pop-star. She is a RHD
and is now owned by DeLorean Owners Club (Britain) man Dave Howarth.

Looks good!

Cheers,             IAN (Hong Kong ... 2 1/2 DMCs)
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:34:47 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

Mark Noeltner wrote:

> Other people on the list have mentioned the $20,000 rule. You can either
> buy a good D for $20,000, or you can spend $10,000 for one, plus another
> $10,000 to get it into shape (substitute any two numbers adding up to 20,000).

While I mostly agree with this, I want to point out is that it is possible to find
a reliable DeLorean in the $12,000-$15,000 price range that has only cosmetic
faults.  You can drive a car with dented stainless, sagging headliners, cracked
leather, a faded dashboard, or ripped carpeting.  Unfortunately, when you find a
car with these cosmetic faults it is very likely to have some hidden mechanical
problems.  Either way, you can put off cosmetic repairs as long as you can stand
to look at the faults.

If anyone is considering a DeLorean as a daily driver, also remember the $1,600
rule: budget at least $1,600 in parts and labor every year to keep your daily
driver running.  If you spend less than that this year, plan to spend more next
year.  Sometimes a lot more.  If you plan to do restoration work while driving the
DeLorean daily (restoring at a leisurely pace), you should probably double that
figure.

> I strongly recommend having a 2nd reliable car to drive, [SNIP]
> since they are almost 20 years old, they are going to need a lot of work to
> get them there just like any other car that old.

Absolutely.  If you plan on driving *any* 10+ year old car every day, you had
better assume some unscheduled down time for repairs.  If you have another car for
winter driving, you can improve this by doing some maintenance and repairs during
the winter.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:31:48 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Alternative mirror suggestion

That mirror looks really close.  Did you get it at PeP Boys.?

The Pep Boys in our neighborhood does not source this part.

I would like to try trim on to see if I can get it to fit.

If you could get 2-3 of these and send them to me. I will reimburse cost.


bob Brandys





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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:07:00 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: First Place at Car Shows

I'll be at Houston 
next year 
I don't mind trophies

Ken



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:38:36 EDT
From: aabclafon_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: the Kruse Auction in Auburn Indiana

Jason, 

I live in Indiana, can you give me more information on this show?

Thanks

Dave L.



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:28:53 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: vin 5730

Does anyone have any info.  on vin 5730  ?

Any help would be appreciated,

Thanks,

Chris P DOC uk     vins 5638/12176




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:55:59 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car

In fact talking about similarities between the delorean and other cars,
there are too many too mention. Obviously the delorean had an influence or
else the same top industry guys that worked on the delorean worked on these
other cars.

For instance the backlights on the delorean are strickingly alike to that of
an older camaro. Also Mazda and Nissan I believe both had cars with front
lights like the delorean. And that Scirocco is a great example, I've seen
them before and saw the similarities but never knew the model and make.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Johnston" <kenworth_77_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: [DML] Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car


>
> This is for anyone who might be buying a DeLorean for the First time as a
> first car....

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>




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:57:30 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

Was the 10,000 delorean driveable when you got it? Did you run into any
problems? What was your first car?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:23 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver


> I bought my Delorean for $10,000.  Listed is the work I have done to
> it....
> 
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:59:08 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES

Relatively speaking, I don't think most DeLorean parts are that out 
of line with other cars in it's class, or collector cars in general. 
My favorite example is the quarter panel that needed replacing on my 
now ex-wifes Honda Accord - over $1100. The same DeLorean part is 
$997. Or windshields - under $400 for a DeLorean, for a C4 Corvette, 
$744. Note that these examples are all for new parts from dealers. 
Keep in mind that in 1981, the car was compared (by the magazines, at 
least) against Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, as well as Corvettes.

Regarding discount clubs - De Lorean Motor Company offers the "Budget 
Restoration Program". Simply spend $1500 on anything we sell (parts 
only, not labor), and all future parts purchases (excepting kits, 
which are already deeply discounted) receive a 10% discount for 12 
months. Several DML'ers are already a part of this program. You don't 
even have to spend the $1500 all at once, simply spend $1500 within 
12 months, and the next 12 months get a 10% discount for the next 12 
months.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



>Lately, I've caught myself complaining about the high price of
>Delorean parts. True, they are expensive, but in most cases are still
>available, which is a miracle in itself. The Delorean dealers have
>had to invest large amounts of money and time to find and warehouse
>the parts; and have gambled that owners like you and I will buy the
>parts to maintain our cars. As an owner, I want to keep my car in as
>good a shape as I can afford, which means that I have to wait until I
>have the extra money to replace non-safety items. I'd like to see a
>discount club started from the suppliers for Delorean owners -
>monthly 10% off deals, or something like that to show that they truly
>appreciate our business. (which I know they do).
>I am not in the Delorean Parts business, but do have another
>collector car- a '57 Thunderbird that has fairly expensive parts, too.
>The T-Bird suppliers do a different discount program monthly to
>motivate us to spend more, and it works! I'm slowly doing a frame-off
>on this car, and spend as I can on it as well. Having 2 "babies"
>means I have to watch my restoration and maintenance dollars closely.
>
>This is only my opinion, and is thrown out for whatever it's worth.



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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:07:28 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car

What year of the Scirocco looks most like the delorean?(or what year is the
best in general)



Moderator's Note...  The purpose of the list is to discuss the 
DeLorean, not the Scirocco.  If you desire more information, please
contact the poster directly.   Thanks!



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:12:07 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: vin 5730

You can do a free lemon check at certain websites and get a carfax report
but you need the COMPLETE vin number, autotrader.com has a good system


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Cc: <doc-uk_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:28 PM
Subject: [DML] vin 5730


> Does anyone have any info.  on vin 5730  ?
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris P DOC uk     vins 5638/12176
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:28:56 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Colored Deloreans -- not painting per se

Is it feasible to cover the stainless panels of a Delorean with window tint
film?  I've been thinking for a long time about how cool it would be to
'paint' a Delorean without damaging the stainless texture.  If one or two
panels on a car are damaged and can't be economically restored without body
fillers and paint, then why screw up the rest of the car by painting the
good panels, too?

If window tint film wouldn't be practical, then what about a decal/bumper
sticker material like those wood grain decals they used on stationwagons?
Wouldn't a wood grain  Delorean look just awful?

I watched someone tint a wrap-around back window with one piece of film.  He
used a heat gun to stretch the film to fit.  I was wondering if something
similar could be done with a fender.  I know that window tint film is
sensitive to ammonia based cleaners and may not hold up well to the
elements, but couldn't the film then be waxed or clear coated?  How about a
real dark black-out film followed up with another layer of very light bronze
limo tint film?  That would give an even deeper shine.

If there are any minor dings to cover up, these could first be filled with
drywall compound and then 'sanded' with a wet sponge until smooth.  This
wouldn't damage the fender and would be easy to wash off in case someone
later wanted to remove the tint film and repair the dent.

Perhaps a car body completely covered in window tint film could then be
painted over.  When you are tired of the color, you could strip the tinting
off and start fresh from bare stainless.

Just a crazy idea from a mad scientist not,

Walt




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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:11:25 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES

Why was it compared to the ferrari for instance with the v6 engine?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] DELOREAN PARTS PRICES


> Relatively speaking, I don't think most DeLorean parts are that out 
> of line with other cars in it's class, or collector cars in general. 
> My favorite example is the quarter panel that needed replacing on my 
> now ex-wifes Honda Accord - over $1100. The same DeLorean part is 
> $997. Or windshields - under $400 for a DeLorean, for a C4 Corvette, 
> $744. Note that these examples are all for new parts from dealers. 
> Keep in mind that in 1981, the car was compared (by the magazines, at 
> least) against Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, as well as Corvettes.





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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:07:01 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Alternative mirror suggestion

Yes, the mirror was from the Pep Boyz.  Funny that they don't carry it where
you live, but I suppose different areas have different mixes of models on
the road.  I was working in an auto parts store (installing their computer)
for a few days where they pretty much lookd at each customer as they entered
and asked "Ford or Chevy?"  I think there was one customer the whole time I
was there that had one of those "exotics" like a Volvo or Volkswagon and he
was laughed out of the store.

Anyway, I'm still a bit iffy on this mirror.  The left side is a bit tall
and tends to bind to the housing, making it difficult to adjust.  Even if
cut, the right side is not parallel to the housing, and would therefore look
a bit "off" or require another cut.  Since the DMC mirror is basically a
rectangle with one of the short lengths cut at an angle, I'd think any
rectangular convex mirror could be made to fit perfectly in 2 cuts.

If you really want them, Bob, I'll be happy to send as many as you like, but
bear in mind that they're about $12 apiece.  I'm still a bit appalled that
your local shop doesn't have any oversize convex mirrors you can cut.  Any
self-respecting auto parts shop will special-order any part in the catalog,
and if their warehouse has it they can usually have it the same day or next.
Send me a private email and we'll try to arrange something with what I have
here.


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Brandys [mailto:oehcs_at_dml_flash.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:32 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] Alternative mirror suggestion
>
>
> That mirror looks really close.  Did you get it at PeP Boys.?
>
> The Pep Boys in our neighborhood does not source this part.
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> I would like to try trim on to see if I can get it to fit.
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> If you could get 2-3 of these and send them to me. I will reimburse cost.
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