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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>

2. Re: Free DeLorean part from DMCH
From: frankie Neitlebaum <frankie_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. DMC vs the World (was: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. Re: DMC vs the World (was: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES)
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

5. The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

6. Re: Colored Deloreans -- not painting per se
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

7. Re: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: low profile rims for Delorean
From: "Don Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

9. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

10. Re: Angle drive lubrication
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: Giugiaro
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

12. switching door locks
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

13. Re: electrical problems relating to fuel pump
From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com

14. Re: electrical problems relating to fuel pump
From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com

15. DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: cburke410_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: DeLorean in magazine
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

18. Re: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

19. Re: Colored Deloreans -- not painting per se (BODY FILM)
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

20. Rebrushing
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com

21. Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

22. Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

23. Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

24. Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

25. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus_at_dml_earthlink.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:20:06 -0400
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver


My DMC cost 7700- of course, it was in need of some parts here and there.
Lets see, as of now....

Warm up regulator
master cylinder
new weatherstripping
recovering seats
repainting facias
computer governor
new binnacle
floor mats
full load of freon
new pistons
torsion bar adjustment
new window motor
new lock solenoid
various updates
fuel pump, fuel tank, fuel baffle
all coolant hoses
new belts


and after a complete breakdown of the passenger side door--
new filler panel
new t panel
door alignment
fiberglass repair

altogether, costing me around 8000 in repairs.  Not the cheapest car to
have, but I did buy mine as a restoration project.

Scott




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:37:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: frankie Neitlebaum <frankie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Free DeLorean part from DMCH

I got this in email from De Lorean Motor Company in Houston - I thought other DML people might be interested in taking advantage of this offer...

Frank N.
#10957
------------------------------
Free DeLorean Parts
For a limited time, you can get a free DeLorean part (with a retail value of $18.75), just by paying a $5.95 shipping and handling fee per free part requested (US orders only).

Your choice of part number:

100529 Storage Compartment Carpet - Early black interior cars, texture is woven fibers, not really carpet
105529 Storage Compartment Carpet - Black interior prior to 10578
110476 Storage Compartment Carpet - Grey Interior prior to 10578

----- Order Form ----

Simply fill out and return via email to "freebie_at_dml_usadmc.com" or fax to 281/568-9386.

Name:
Address:
City:
State:
Zip:

Daytime Phone:
Email address:

See above for which part number is correct for your car(s). Limit three TOTAL per person.
Quantity requested of P/N 100529:
Quantity requested of P/N 105529:
Quantity requested of P/N 110476:

Credit Card #:
Expiration Date:
Name on card:

We accept Visa, Mastercard, American Express and Discover. If you are uncomfortable emailing your credit card number, and we do not already have it on file, please feel free to fax your order to us at 281/568-9386.

FINE PRINT:
Storage compartment carpets for VIN's after 10578 are not part of this promotion. Limit three per person. Subject to availability. US orders only. Retail customers only. No returns. Incomplete order forms will be returned. Shipping method is at the discretion of De Lorean Motor Company.  Offer expires 31 August 2000.


_____________________________________________________________
YourName_at_dml_delorean.com -- it's free from <a href="http://www.delorean.com"> DeLorean Motor Company</a>!



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:32:41 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: DMC vs the World (was: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES)

Ask the editors Car and Driver and Motor Trend in 1981...I think C/D 
compared it with the 308, and Motor Trend with the Mondial. I think 
Tamir's web site has copies of both articles online.

James


>Why was it compared to the ferrari for instance with the v6 engine?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [DML] DELOREAN PARTS PRICES

(SNIP)

>  > Keep in mind that in 1981, the car was compared (by the magazines, at
>  > least) against Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, as well as Corvettes.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:06:47 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: DMC vs the World (was: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES)

Thanks for recommending that, I've been to his website, but never saw that
part of it. Reading those articles is like nostalgic, still happy info like
John Delorean planning for 20,000 dmc12s the first year.


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:32 PM
Subject: DMC vs the World (was: DELOREAN PARTS PRICES)


> Ask the editors Car and Driver and Motor Trend in 1981...I think C/D
> compared it with the 308, and Motor Trend with the Mondial. I think
> Tamir's web site has copies of both articles online.
>
> James
>
>
> >Why was it compared to the ferrari for instance with the v6 engine?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
> >To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: [DML] DELOREAN PARTS PRICES
>
> (SNIP)
>
> >  > Keep in mind that in 1981, the car was compared (by the magazines, at
> >  > least) against Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, as well as Corvettes.
>




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:10:52 -0400
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...

Well,

It's been a while since my last update, and I still haven't done very
much.  I seem to have reached a point where I just wander aimlessly
around the garage looking for little tasks to complete.  The trouble is,
there isn't much left for me to do right now except spend money. And I'm
not much of a fan of spending money...

I just plunked out around $1200 for new front and rear fascias, and that
puts me at the end of the available cash.  I had budgeted for around
$18,000 for the whole project.  I came up with that number by doing a
thorough inventory at the beginning, and figuring a 75% cost of new on
parts (I was buying as much used as possible).  I then figured in an
extra 30%, because pretty much everything I ever do ends up costing me
around 30% more than I planned.  But, there's still the interior (around
$1500), the body work (probably at least $1000), some glass ($300) and
new seats ($1500).

That's a lot still to spend, but overall, I'm not far off budget.  I'm
actually around $1000 under.  So, I'm going to treat myself to some new
tires ($300) and some stereo upgrades ($300) that I originally had not
planned on.  Things are doing well... except... for that darn cash flow
problem.  I'm running about $4000 short right now.  But, when life hands
you lemons, ya' gotta make lemonade.  And in this case, I've got to sell
that lemonade for a profit.

Many of you are familiar with my "Backside to the Future" sales.
They've helped a lot, and I thank each of you who have bought a pair.
But sales on those have been slow recently, and I still need to make a
bit more cash.  Thus, I've turned to eBay with a ton of
non-DeLorean-related items. I've been fortunate enough to be able to
grab tons of surplus computer equipment from work.  In addition, our
advertising section has liquidated, and I was able to purchase some
extremely high-quality professional audio and video equipment for the
low price of $650 for two Mercury Grand Marquis's full of gear.  That's
a lot of gear.  The eBay value of the merchandise, from what I've
figured, is around $4500.  Therefore, my cash flow problem is solved.
But, listing & packing & mailing all of that equipment takes forever...
so, I'll be out of the garage for a while.  That's probably fortunate,
anyway, since I have all of that equipment stacked in there right now.
You can barely see the poor car.

Since there's not much for me to do in there at present, it all works
out for the best.  I'll be taking all of my body panels with boo-boos to
Dave Bauerle over in Ohio to be pounded out and rebrushed soon.  By the
time they're done, I should have the rest of the cash I'll need to
complete the car.

Who would have ever thought I'd even get -this- far?

-Dave Stragand
http://www.ProjectVixen.com
Vin# 05927





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:36:59 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Colored Deloreans -- not painting per se

I think in the book "Stainless Steel Illusion" it mentions that 
DuPont was working on a type of coating to color the SS panels into 
various colors. But it was supposed to act more like a tint where 
the panels would be a different color, but you could still see the 
grain underneath. Not like a paint that would totally cover the SS. 
The end results were that in humid climates the coating would bubble 
and peel off. However the book does not mention weather the coating 
was applied as a film, or sprayed on as a liquid. Nor does it mention 
weather the tests were performed on a DMC-12, or in a lab.

As to 'wall papering' a DeLorean, of the handfull of Country Squire 
station wagons that are left on the road I've seen, I've yet to find 
one that still has the vinyl attatched (or even in good condition). 
And for painting over the film, I don't know that paint would stick 
very well to the tint, or the tint to the SS.

It's a good idea though, and it would be interesting to see the 
results. Maybe one day someone will decide on a new hobbie and pick 
up where DuPont left off...

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Is it feasible to cover the stainless panels of a Delorean with 
window tint
> film?  I've been thinking for a long time about how cool it would 
be to
> 'paint' a Delorean without damaging the stainless texture.  If one 
or two
> panels on a car are damaged and can't be economically restored 
without body
> fillers and paint, then why screw up the rest of the car by 
painting the
> good panels, too?
> 
> If window tint film wouldn't be practical, then what about a 
decal/bumper
> sticker material like those wood grain decals they used on 
stationwagons?
> Wouldn't a wood grain  Delorean look just awful?




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:59:59 EDT
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Electrical Meltdown to Great Delorean Experience!

Bill, 
John again, what do you feel caused the problem you. I'm courious. How is the 
alternator doing. 
John



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:35:29 -0700
From: "Don Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: low profile rims for Delorean

Dear Dan,

I just fitted a set of rims  purchased from www.discounttiredirect.com  I am
really pleased as the fit and offsets are perfect!
They are running a special on "Konig, Monsoon" rims and these are one of the
few that offer the large rears with the 4 lug.  They are mfg. in Germany and
the quality is excellent.
      Fronts are: 15x6.5" 4-100 w/40mm offset ($125.ea) with 205/55R-15 B F
Goodrich Touring T/A at $64.ea
      Rears are:  17x8" 4-100 w/20mm offset ($168.ea) with 245/50R-17 BFG
Comp T/A's at $129. ea
This put the whole set out the door incl. mount and balance for under
$1000.!

Front tire dia went from 23.2" to 23.9" (+2.9%) (one size smaller tire might
be better, like a 50 series)
Rear tire dia went from 26.1" to 26.6"  (+2.1%)

FYI: Hub pilot is 72mm  Studs are 12mm x 1.0 pitch

They really do look great.  Historically I have chromed/black painted the
stock rims and while they really look good, these are much more agressive
looking.  I am pulling out a twin turbo and installing a Northstar in this
runner, so have not driven it yet.

Don
5 DeLoreans; one for each member of my family


----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Cc: <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 7:42 PM
Subject: [DML] low profile rims for Delorean


> Dan,
>
> I just ordered new rims for my Delorean, and I'm wondering if I got the
best
> thing.  I want a one-piece aluminum alloy rim.  I first tried to use TSW
> Revo, but not many rims are made big enough for the rears that take a 4
bolt
> pattern.  It wasn't practical to make an adapter to make 5 bolt rims fit a
4
> bolt rotor, so I went with a different style, same brand -- TSW Imola.
I'm
> going the same size you are -- 17" rear, 15" front.  And I'm doing Falken
> tires.  They are cheaper and the warranty is better than Yokohama.  The
> dealer said both brands ride the same.  I didn't consider Pirelli tires.
>
> I would have used Yokohama tries had I of stayed with the OEM rims, since
> that is what everyone says is best.
>
> What brand rim are you using?  And how much did you pay, might I ask?
Mine
> are costing me a speck over $1900 balanced and out the door.
>
> When I get it all put together, I'll post pictures on Brain's web site.
> Sure my Delorean isn't painted, and for that matter neither is yours now.
> So we will have to twist Brain's arm and make him expand his site to
include
> customized Deloreans.  For your car, I think a before and after picture on
> his site would be cool.
>
> My rims should be in by the middle of next week, so it is too late for me
to
> change my order if you have a better idea.  (sigh).  I have a suspension
> lowering kit on the way from PJ Grady.  It's gonna look cool!
>
> Walt
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:58:53 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

Suprizingly I drove the car 300 miles home, and for the next 4 month 
with no real problems, besides the fuel accumulator.  It was over the 
winter that it broke down, starting with the waterpump.  When I took 
it to Micah Fryman (thats where it is at right now) to get work done 
to it, he told me that I had a lot of angels watching me because it 
was VERY unsafe.  My steering rack was dry and distroyed, my trailing 
arms were rusted through, my engine was leaking oil, the electical 
was a mess and very dangerous.  I even had some parts on the car that 
suprized him, like a steel clutch line.  As in, not a hose.  It was a 
bent pipe that was supposidly the cool thing to install in the early 
'80s to replace the plastic hose.  I also has some weird things 
bolted onto my frame that messed it up.  If Micah is learking out 
there, maybe he could inform us on my badly treated Delorean.  you 
wouldn't believe some of the things that was wrong with this car.  
The steering rack was installed backwards and upside down!!  It WAS a 
real mess.  it's not like that any more.  All but the frame has been 
replaced, but that will get done soon.  
So the moral of the story is...don't be too excited when you first 
see a Delorean that you might buy.  Thats what I did.  Bring someone 
along with you who knows a lot about Deloreans, or at least what to 
look for.  When I was looking at this Delorean all that I said was 
"oh, the dashboard can be replaced no problem, so can the dents, the 
fascia and headliners.  No bid deal."  All that right there is a 
couple thousand dollars!  BE CAREFUL, there are crap Delorean out 
there!  
I'll shut up now.

Erik Geerdink
4512

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Was the 10,000 delorean driveable when you got it? Did you run into 
any
> problems? What was your first car?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_e...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:23 PM
> Subject: [DML] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
> 
> 
> > I bought my Delorean for $10,000.  Listed is the work I have done 
to
> > it....
> > 
> [Moderator deleted large copy...]




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:26:30 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Angle drive lubrication

Just like the starters, ignition coils, and CV boots the speedo cables are among the DeLorean parts that have a less than 1% failure rate. As Bruce indicated all that is needed to keep the DeLorean speedometer working is a shot grease about every 5,000 miles. 

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BRUCE BENSON 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [DML] Angle drive lubrication


  I'd be inclined to think that 90 weight oil added at the frequency you've
  been doing will find it's way into the speedometer head sooner or later and
  cause a mess. I use a grease gun ( the same grease I lube the chassis with)
  with a finely pointed adapter ( available at autostores ) to shoot a bit of
  grease into the hole opened up by removing that small screw on the underside
  of the drive. I do it about twice each summer or every 5,000miles. It seems
  to work as my speedometer is still going.

  Bruce Benson


  > What's the best way to lube the angle drive? I've been following the
  > original factory service bulletin and filling it with 90w gear oil at each
  > oil change. > >
  > Thanks
  >
  > Mark N
  > VIN 6820
  >
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:13:22 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Giugiaro

I looked up Giugiaro, the stylist of the delorean and found a good website
with all the cars hes worked on:

http://jyanet.com/cap/1998/0213fe3.htm

One example is the Hyundai excel, take a look at one and you'll see the
wheels are basically IDENTICAL to the delorean! Has anyone considered using
hyundai excel wheels instead of the expensive delorean wheels?

Heres a used Excel where you can see the wheels ok:

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?info_query=53031662&car_id=
53031662&dealer_id=&&form_status=FindACar_form&max_price=&start_year=1985&en
d_year=1986&ac_afflt=none&address=92056&borschtid=46706080282966983008&searc
h_type=FindSale&make=HYUND&model=HYUEXCEL&distance=&y=3&x=21&sort_type=sort_
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:14:40 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: switching door locks

Hello,
    I purchased a door complete with everything in it but the guy didnt have 
a key for it.  Before I tossed my old door I removed the lock bezel from it.  
my old door has the small little piece that covers the key hole when the key 
is removed, the lock that is currently in the door doesnt have the small 
piece that covers the hole.  are all lock units interchangeable?  I would 
like to put the lock unit from the old door into the new one.(so I have one 
key for both doors)  I dont want to get my door all taken apart and find out 
it wont fit.
    Also, is the door key supposed to be cut differently on each side of the 
key?  I have taken it to 2 places that make keys and they said they have 
never seen a key cut differently on each side......hmmmmm  any info would be 
greatly appreciated.


Thank You
David
#2496-rebrushed yesterday!!



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:55:12 -0000
From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: electrical problems relating to fuel pump

Placing the jumper between the two wires causes the fuel pump to 
run.  The car will still not start however when this jumper is 
connected.  I replaced the main fuel relay and that is not the 
problem either because the car will still not start.  There is a 
white and purple wire that goes from the fuel pump to the RPM relay 
and this is only showing about 4 volts with a volt meter when tested 
between the connection to the RPM relay and the stainless steel on 
the car.  When I try to start the car it moves up to about 6-7 
volts.  I am not sure what the significance of this is because I 
think it should only be 12 volts if the relay closes, but it is just 
an observation.  This did lead me to think however that it is 
possible that the wire betwen the relay and the fuel pump is 
damaged.  Evidence supporting this theory would be that it was the 
only wire I touched when I changed the fuel pump (because I needed to 
disconnect it.)  What doesn't make sense however is that the car 
started without me touching that wire, and then subsequently died.  
But it only did this once.

I am thinking about getting an OHM meter and testing the white/purple 
wire.  What else should I look at now?

Thanks again.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Joel,
> 
> First; replace all of the fuses with the specified rating per the 
workshop and owners manual.
> I suspect that you have replaced the fuel pump fuse # 7 with an in-
line type replacement. It is also probable that the previous owner 
has done some re-wiring in the fuel pump circuit.
> 
> You can easily temporarily by-pass the RPM relay and force the fuel 
pump to run by placing a suitable jumper between the brown and 
white/purple wires at the RPM relay connector. The relay does not 
have to be installed to conduct this test. 
> 
> Try this test and let me know the result. 
> 
> "We're here to help you"
> 
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>




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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:58:58 -0000
From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: electrical problems relating to fuel pump

As you can see from my last post, I am suspecting that white/purple 
wire to be a problem.  I will get an ohm meter and test out the wire 
you are speaking about also.  Hopefully that helps.  Thanks, and I 
will let you know what happens.  

Joel

ps.  If it is that wire, how hard was it to replace?  Do I need to 
lift up the car?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Quite a few years ago I had a friend with a problem very similar  
to yours.
> First it was just blown fuses, with the frequency of the fuse 
failures
> increasing as the miles built up on the car. Finally it just plain 
wouldn't
> start. We dug up all the electrical information and comments we 
could find
> and found one item pertaining to the wiring loom running across the 
front of
> the car, making a sharp bend at the left front corner of the car, 
and
> continuing rearward. One of the wires in that loom came from the 
fuel pump
> and ran through the inertia switch. Apparently some cars had a 
problem with
> wires chafing or breaking at the area of the sharp bent. After 
finding no
> continuity between the inertia switch and the fuel pump, we ran a 
new wire
> directly from the that switch to the fuel pump and disconnected the 
wire
> built in the loom. He never had another problem. This might be a 
direction
> to investigate.
> 
> Bruce Benson
> 
> 
> > b) I thought that I had traced the problem back to the
> > main fuel relay being blown.  So I replaced that.  I
> > tried to start the car but I noticed the main fuel
> > replay fuse (fuse #1) was blown.  So I replaced that.
> > The car started and ran for about 5 minutes, then
> > died.
> 
> > I have gone through all of the wires with a volt meter
> > and I can't find any wires that are not conducting.
> > Maybe I am doing it wrong?  Does anyone have any
> > ideas?
> >
> > Thanks very much.
> >
> > Joel
> >
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:55:14 GMT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities

Hi list,

I thought this link may interest some of you. It's a Volkswagen Corrado 
European sports car.

Look at the photos - interior and exterior - you can see lots of 
similarities between this car and our beloved DeLorean.

Many people talk of the huge Giugiaro influence at VW. The Audi Quattro from 
the 80s was another car from him that resembled the DeLorean after DeLorean 
was out of business (esp. the front of the car).

The latest Volkswagen Giugiaro product now is the Corrado.

Maybe this would have been the DeLorean of the 90s? With gullwing doors of 
course! Personally I think the Corrado resembles the Medusa, which DeLorean 
had planned to be his 4-door DeLorean.

I will not start a new thread here ("DeLorean compared to other makes") but 
I would like it if you will e-mail me privately on what you think of the 
DeLorean/Corrado similarities. I may use your comments on a webpage Im 
building where I compare the DeLorean to the Corrado.

GO TO: http://desmat.8m.com/my_corrado.html

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:06:37 EDT
From: cburke410_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Delorean Overheating (almost)

I'm a pretty new delorean owner. (about six weeks). well anyways i love the 
car, it's incredible, but i have a question about overheating that i was 
hoping someone could answer. The car has not overheated yet, but in stop and 
go traffic, the thermometer gage comes close to the overheating point. The 
oil and coolant levels in the car are fine, and i had the original coolant 
bottle replace w/ a stainless steel one. I know delorean's have a tendancy to 
overheat b/c of the plastic coolant bottle, but as i said, i replaced it. If 
anyone has any ideas, or if this is normal for a delorean, i would appreciate 
some input. Thanks

                    vin#3856



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:16:31 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean in magazine



The August issue of the UK magazine BBC TOP GEAR has a two page layout of the 
DeLorean.

Michael 



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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:08:07 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Buying a DeLorean - The First Time Owner - First Car


Dear DML,

    I purchased my DeLorean when I was an undergraduate student at the 
University of Maryland. During the course of the first year of ownership with 
my first DeLorean, I acquired another DeLorean for a short time and drove it 
everyday with no problems, only a permanent grin on my face and wonderful 
memories. 
    The first DeLorean car needed some professional service, so I had it 
shipped to Long Island New York to Rob Grady. (I cannot stress the importance 
of having the DeLorean cars repaired or serviced buy a professional DeLorean 
specialist like Rob Grady & staff) 
    Another owner contacted me and asked me if I wanted to buy his low 
mileage DeLorean. Since I already had a new Acura, along with the DeLorean, I 
decided to test the reliability of the great stainless steel, gullwinged 
wonder. I purchased another DeLorean.
    The cars were garage kept. (another importance) I parked the Acura , and 
the DeLorean was driven everyday through out the streets of Washington DC, 
its suburbs, and those road trips to no where at 1:30 in the morning.  I 
drove the DeLorean at speeds in excess of the posted limits to spring break 
in South Beach Miami, pounded the streets of NY for New Year's Eve at Times 
Square in Manhattan, and gingerly through New England Snow storms to go 
skiing. (They drive well in snow)
     The car performed very well as a daily driver.  I had to replace the 
typical stuff on ANY car. Battery, tires, belts, one hose, fuses, relays, the 
DeLorean factory recalls, and the door lift pistons. I was very satisfied 
with the performance, and reliability of my Automatic DeLorean. I had only 
one minor "inconvenience" and that involved taking my date to a Hotel 
instead...but that is another story. ;-))
    I was approached buy a young man who wanted the car, and I later sold my 
second DeLorean to him. He still has the car, and takes very good care of it. 
I still have the original DeLorean, an early 1981 model and another 1983 DMC.
    I was once disappointed or discouraged with the expensive repair bills 
($25,000 in repairs so far) but you only live once....you might as well enjoy 
it or you're saving the car for someone else.

Michael



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:13:15 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Colored Deloreans -- not painting per se (BODY FILM)



Dear DML,

    Some Ferrari owners have the front of their cars covered with an 
invisible film to ward off any keys, stones, pebbles, or other ^&%*&5 that 
comes their way.

Michael



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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:17:39 -0000
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Rebrushing

Was wondering if anyone knows of a place in and/or around St. Louis 
that has done rebrushing on the D?

Cheryl & Ron
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:17:53 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues...



Dear Dave & Vixen,

    Keep your faith ... remember in some restaurants they advise you to keep 
your fork ... because there is something better to come.

Michael



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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:53:29 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

I wonder how many of the 6k or so deloreans are still out there and how many
are in good condition? Isn't there a website with like buyers checklists in
stuff for the delorean?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:58 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver


> Suprizingly I drove the car 300 miles home, and for the next 4 month
> with no real problems, besides the fuel accumulator.  It was over the
> winter that it broke down, starting with the waterpump.  When I took
> it to Micah Fryman (thats where it is at right now) to get work done
> to it, he told me that I had a lot of angels watching me because it
> was VERY unsafe.  My steering rack was dry and distroyed, my trailing
> arms were rusted through, my engine was leaking oil, the electical
> was a mess and very dangerous.  I even had some parts on the car that
> suprized him, like a steel clutch line.  As in, not a hose.  It was a
> bent pipe that was supposidly the cool thing to install in the early
> '80s to replace the plastic hose.  I also has some weird things
> bolted onto my frame that messed it up.  If Micah is learking out
> there, maybe he could inform us on my badly treated Delorean.  you
> wouldn't believe some of the things that was wrong with this car.
> The steering rack was installed backwards and upside down!!  It WAS a
> real mess.  it's not like that any more.  All but the frame has been
> replaced, but that will get done soon.
> So the moral of the story is...don't be too excited when you first
> see a Delorean that you might buy.  Thats what I did.  Bring someone
> along with you who knows a lot about Deloreans, or at least what to
> look for.  When I was looking at this Delorean all that I said was
> "oh, the dashboard can be replaced no problem, so can the dents, the
> fascia and headliners.  No bid deal."  All that right there is a
> couple thousand dollars!  BE CAREFUL, there are crap Delorean out
> there!
> I'll shut up now.
>
> Erik Geerdink
> 4512
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> > Was the 10,000 delorean driveable when you got it? Did you run into
> any
> > problems? What was your first car?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_e...>
> > To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:23 PM
> > Subject: [DML] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
> >
> >
> > > I bought my Delorean for $10,000.  Listed is the work I have done
> to
> > > it....
> > >
> > [Moderator deleted large copy...]
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:55:25 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

that comes to less than 20,000 so you ended up well.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Cagle" <sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver


> 
> My DMC cost 7700- of course, it was in need of some parts here and there.
> Lets see, as of now....
> 
> Warm up regulator
> master cylinder
> new weatherstripping
> recovering seats
> repainting facias
> computer governor
> new binnacle
> floor mats
> full load of freon
> new pistons
> torsion bar adjustment
> new window motor
> new lock solenoid
> various updates
> fuel pump, fuel tank, fuel baffle
> all coolant hoses
> new belts
> 
> 
> and after a complete breakdown of the passenger side door--
> new filler panel
> new t panel
> door alignment
> fiberglass repair
> 
> altogether, costing me around 8000 in repairs.  Not the cheapest car to
> have, but I did buy mine as a restoration project.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:03:21 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

If you just had the bottle replaced, I would check and make sure that 
there is no air in the cooling system. Bleed it out.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, cburke410_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I'm a pretty new delorean owner. (about six weeks). well anyways i 
love the 
> car, it's incredible, but i have a question about overheating that 
i was 
> hoping someone could answer. The car has not overheated yet, but in 
stop and 
> go traffic, the thermometer gage comes close to the overheating 
point. The 
> oil and coolant levels in the car are fine, and i had the original 
coolant 
> bottle replace w/ a stainless steel one. I know delorean's have a 
tendancy to 
> overheat b/c of the plastic coolant bottle, but as i said, i 
replaced it. If 
> anyone has any ideas, or if this is normal for a delorean, i would 
appreciate 
> some input. Thanks
> 
>                     vin#3856




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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:08:32 -0400
From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

	I feel that I am qualified to talk about $10,000 daily driving deloreans.
I purchased my second DMC this past december, with 113,000 miles on the
body and transmission, but a brand new engine from DMC Houston with about
150 miles on it.  I test drove the car for the fist time, and it was scary.
 There were no seat bealts, the air did not work, and the seats did not
adjust.  There were also several dings, and some major fiberglass damage
(which was unoticeable unless you looked under the car).  The one thing the
guy told me it really needed was a new radiator.  I took it home, none of
the lights worked, the passenger window got stuck, and I had to help my
poor father get out of the car, since the passenger Door was jammed.  But
hey, I got a Delorean with a $5000 NEW engine in it for 10000 dollars.  
	IT is a true daily driver it already had ss lines all around, it also had
new calipers. It was rdy to drive.  I was able to troubleshoot my lights
problem, and every week I added some antifreeze, cause the radiator was
leaking.
	Now let me get to the point.  I put in maybe about $500 for certain items,
which absolutely needed to be replaced immediately.  I could have driven
that car for a long time and all it would have cost me was 10,500.  I
decided however to take it to DMC Joe's shop, and I got a LOT more work
done there.  (redone steering, dash, seals, door adjustment, brass
radiator, A/c etc...) Now, parts and labour, I figure I have put an
additional $8,000 dollars into the car.  But now my DMC has doors that
open, and a Brand new Engine.
	If your looking for a 10,000 car, and you find one like mine, I would
recomend getting it, even if its your only car, if it is basically
mechanically sound, you shouldn't worry.  I could have driven that 10,000
without geting anything done to it for a long long time.  Neither of My
Deloreans have ever left me on the side of the road, and I drive both of
them with great confidence.

Thats my opinon on $10,000 D's
Joe Palatinus
VIN 17167 with new engine
VIN 6808



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