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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Bricklin
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. ADMIN: Reminder about the DMCNews Department of Commerce
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

3. Re: Help! Fuel Pump Noise! And Fuel Smell! Help!
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

4. Re: [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Wide black stripe
From: "AGUSTIN TINOCO" <atdmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. Re: Wide black stripe
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

7. Re: Re: electrical problems relating to fuel pump
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. "A DAY IN THE DOORS"
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities
From: <Klaus-Peter.Steiner_at_dml_energie.rwe.de>

10. Re: Door locks
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

11. DMC VIN#03857
From: "Ulli Ziegenfuß" <101.174325_at_dml_germanynet.de>

12. Re: Re: Bricklin
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

13. Giugiaro
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman_at_dml_indexdesign.com>

14. Re: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Dennis Gage gave me the High Five last night
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com

16. shirts
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Wide black stripe
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. RE: Help! Fuel Pump Noise! And Fuel Smell! Help!
From: sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net

19. Re: First Time Driver...A true story!!
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

20. Re: Door locks
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

21. 20years of Michigan Weather (long and full of questions)
From: nskalsky_at_dml_remc4.k12.mi.us

22. Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_tdn.com>

23. Looking for Vin 1534
From: "Steve Pattison" <stevep1_at_dml_home.com>

24. [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Claude Ballsé" <claudeballse_at_dml_hotmail.com>

25. Re: Wide black stripe
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:09:31 GMT
From: "Matthew David" <DMC5524_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bricklin


>From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
>One more thing, I'm going to Kansas City from the 1st and then leaving the 
>3rd. For those who can't find a calender, its on a weekend. I searched the 
>DeLorean Production Chronology, , I only found 10431 Marianne Marcussen, 
>Kansas, if you are reading this, drop me a line, so maybe we work something 
>out.If their is anybody else in Kansas (I realy dought it) I might of not 
>made it onto the list, e-mail me. John Giedosh aka Fronzel Neekburm


Really doubt what? That DeLoreans actually exist in Kansas. My DeLorean and 
I have been living happily the past three years in Wichita Kansas. Along 
with at least half a dozen other owners. If you are ever going to be in the 
area (anybody out there), let me know. My neighbors get a kick out of seeing 
more than one DeLorean in front of my house.

Dave
VIN 5524

P.S.  I am listed in the owners directory.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:41:24 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Reminder about the DMCNews Department of Commerce

Don't forget that there is a free classified ad service for DeLorean Cars,
Parts, and Paraphernalia at http://www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html This seems
to get a fair amount of traffic, at least judging from the mail I get about
it, but I though more people would be posting parts & stuff for sale and
wanted. ALSO please remember to remove your ads after you sell. (or at least
tell me so I can).

BTW the "Post Car Ad" link was broken for a couple of weeks, but it is fixed
now. Sorry if this caused any difficulty.

Dave Swingle




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:49:40 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Help! Fuel Pump Noise! And Fuel Smell! Help!

Stian, 
I have installed a few fuel pumps with no problem. I do know that gas 
is what lubricates the pump internally. If it's run w/o gas it will 
self destruct.It's an electric motor inside.. Probably just a bad 
pump.
My 2Cents worth
John in Dallas
11004


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> I hope someone can give me a quick answer to my sudden problems!
> 
> My DeLorean has just been serviced by my local garage. I purchased 
the Fuel 
> Pump Kit from DMC Houston, because I decided I wanted to service 
this part 
> of my fuel system. And sure enough, some of the hoses were quite 
rotten 
> according to my trusted mechanic.
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:15:18 GMT
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

>It turns out there are plenty of 18 and under delorean drivers, hmm, I
>wonder where the old original owners are lurking.
>
Boy, thats tells you how many people BTTF infulanced to get a delorean.
As for the oringal owners, It would be great to have at least one on the 
list, and to share their wisdom. Like Curtis's (lastname?) jazzed up 
delorean, who was at the show at clevan OH, I read he was the orginal owner 
of his delorean.

John Gieodsh aka Fronzel Neekburm

>From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [DML] [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:35:52 -0700
>
>
>It turns out there are plenty of 18 and under delorean drivers, hmm, I
>wonder where the old original owners are lurking.
>
>
>Moderator's Note - removed long copy...
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:45:25 GMT
From: "AGUSTIN TINOCO" <atdmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe


hi:

just to let you know that i am really interested in the stripes, please let 
me know what the outcome is.....thanks.

agustin

>From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Wide black stripe
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:07:47 -0000
>
>DML:
>
>I got a tremendous response to my posting that I had a set of black
>stripes.  Problem is I only have one set and over 10 people want
>them.  Would everyone be interested in still buying them if I got
>them reproduced.  I could take it in to a place that does that and
>see how much it would cost to get an exact replica produced.  This
>would probably be better for everyone anyways because the glue on the
>20 year old stickers gets pretty difficult to work with.  Just email
>and let me know and if I have enough demand, I will see what it will
>cost to get them duplicated and manufactured.
>
>Thanks
>
>joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:11:56 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe

De Lorean Motor Company (Houston) has been researching having the 
black stripes reproduced, and have had some success. I would look for 
them to be available in time for the Christmas shopping season. The 
primary difference in our reproduction black stripe kits is the lack 
of "texture" in the black material. Though of you that have seen the 
stripes up close will know what I am talking about - those that have 
only seen pictures will not be able to tell them from original. 
Pricing is still being worked out, and an announcement will be made 
when they are ready via our email newsletter - those fo you that are 
not subcribers may wish to join here - it's free.

http://www.egroups.com/group/usadmc/info.html

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com


>I got a tremendous response to my posting that I had a set of black
>stripes.  Problem is I only have one set and over 10 people want
>them.  Would everyone be interested in still buying them if I got
>them reproduced.  I could take it in to a place that does that and
>see how much it would cost to get an exact replica produced.  This
>would probably be better for everyone anyways because the glue on the
>20 year old stickers gets pretty difficult to work with.  Just email
>and let me know and if I have enough demand, I will see what it will
>cost to get them duplicated and manufactured.



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:13:17 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: electrical problems relating to fuel pump

Joel,

I'm not sure I'm in sync with you; for the time being forget voltage readings. When you jump the RPM relay brown to white/purple wires does the fuel pump run? If it does and you are still not able to start the car your problem is elsewhere.

If the fuel pump runs check to see if you are getting fuel delivery to the engine.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:33:23 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"

TO ALL,

The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club will hold a tech session and cook-out this Saturday in Carrolton Georgia. I will be there to reveal the mysteries of the inside of the DeLorean gullwing doors. The tech session starts at 3pm. For directions and further details contact Trevor Summers at 770 214-0025. 

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:10:28 +0200
From: <Klaus-Peter.Steiner_at_dml_energie.rwe.de>
Subject: Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities

Some weeks ago I changed my 4-speed fan switch. I purchased it from a
VW-Dealer.
The switch on the DeLorean and the Corrado are identical. Its the same
Bosch-Part...

Klaus Steiner
VIN 5980 -Germany-





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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:27:44 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Door locks

Could you describe better what you have started with?

My first suspicion is that you are describing a situation where your car is
an '81 and has (or had) the two key system (meaning that the door key and
ignition key are different.)

The door locks on these cars are prone to jamming, and supposedly the
'service bulletin' fix for this is to replace the door locks with a new
lockset that matches the ignition key, thus turning your car into a one-key
system.

In this situation, the two-key system cars have a round hole in the door
with square notches at the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions.  The later
produced one-key system cars have a round hole in the door with square
notches at the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions.

When a two-key system door lock jammed and was repaired under warranty, the
dealer would remove the old lock and replace it with the one key system
lock, and in the process --- in order to make the new lock fit, the dealer
would have to cut new notches at the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions.
The old notches at the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions are then no longer
used.

My suspicion is that your doors were converted to the newer one-key system,
but whoever did this did not cut the new notches.  In stead, they put the
lock in sideways making it fit the old notches.

However, one important caveat here!  I am in the middle of replacing my
jammed-up two-key system locks with the one-key system.  I'm really not sure
where the new notch locations are supposed to be.  I'm only parroting back
what I understood Rob Grady to tell me over the phone.  So I may be
inaccurate about the notch locations.

I will know the rest of the story when my new locks arrive.  Where are they
Rob? :)

Walt




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:29:05 -0000
From: "Ulli Ziegenfuß" <101.174325_at_dml_germanynet.de>
Subject: DMC VIN#03857

Hello DeLorean-Enthusiasts,

i just want to inform you about my updatet homepage with some 
informations of my red colored DeLorean with VIN#03857. The page ist 
in german, use the babelfish of altavista to translate. Feedbacks are 
welcome.

http://home.germany.net/101-174325/auto.html

Bye
Ulli
Ludwigshafen, Germany




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:44:37 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Bricklin


    Dear DML,
    The initial DeLorean Motor Cars LTD retained and contracted with the very 
best that the automotive industry had to offer. DeLorean hired leading firms 
with professional automotive engineers, designers with countless years of 
professional experience. The Bricklin car on the other hand is an interesting 
concept.
    Herb Grasse was an antique literature dealer in Cave Creek Arizona. He 
was also one of Malcolm Bricklin' right hand men and chief designer of the 
Bricklin automobile. When I purchased a substantial amount of literature and 
books from him, he said that his Bricklin involvement led him to John 
DeLorean in 1974-1975 just at the time DMC was formed.
    Evidently, John DeLorean had contacted him to design a sketch of the 
DeLorean Safety Vehicle concept....Herb had prepared a slide show, and 
sketched design elements of John DeLoreans' concept....DeLorean was not 
impressed with the Bricklin Vehicle, company, or the concept and design that 
the young designer sketched.
    The winner of the bid and designer of the DeLorean was Giugiaro of 
ItalDesign. ItaLDesign is one of the most renown industrial design studios 
specializing in primarily automotive and industrial design. Many of the 
automotive upper echelon in the business have contracted ItalDesign to sketch 
their cars, like Lexus GS 400, Lotus, Bugatti, DeTomaso Mangusta, and 
DeLorean.

Michael
     



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:57:52 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman_at_dml_indexdesign.com>
Subject: Giugiaro

    It would be pretty cool if we could get Ken to bring Giugiaro to the Memphis
show.  After JZD, Giugiaro is the guy I'd like to meet the most!  It would be
neat to hear, first hand, about his involvement in the DMC project and learn
more about his design philosophy in general since he's been such a major
influence in the automotive industry for so many years.
    How bout' it Ken, need another major challenge? (hehe)
    Josh
    VIN 5102
    VIN 15964



senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com wrote:

>     The winner of the bid and designer of the DeLorean was Giugiaro of
> ItalDesign. ItaLDesign is one of the most renown industrial design studios
> specializing in primarily automotive and industrial design. Many of the
> automotive upper echelon in the business have contracted ItalDesign to sketch
> their cars, like Lexus GS 400, Lotus, Bugatti, DeTomaso Mangusta, and
> DeLorean.
>
> Michael
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:01:30 EDT
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

I have a question about this overheating thread.  My DeLorean has never 
overheated, but the fans don't come on until the temperature gauge is almost 
to the 220 degrees mark.  It's never gone above that.

Living in South Carolina, it gets very hot here in the summer.  It's not 
unusual driving in stop and go town trafic with the A/C running for the gauge 
to stay near the 220 mark.  Is this ok?  I've bled the system, but that 
shouldn't be a problem since the fans are running because the A/C is on.  
I've installed the fan fail bypass, so that's not a problem either.  

Brian
VIN 1597 



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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:12:17 EDT
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Dennis Gage gave me the High Five last night

I'm glad Mike mentioned MCC and Dennis Gage on this mailing list.  I'm a 
member of Club MCC and have attended their Autofest Nationals the past two 
years.  It seems Dennis is a fan of the DeLorean; in fact, he did an 
interview with Lincoln Nation at the first Autofest back in 1997.  It's a 
good spot on our cars if you ever get to see it.

A while back, I suggested that the DOA ask Dennis to film a show at the St. 
Louis Expo since it was so close to Evansville, Indiana, the home of Club 
MCC.  I was told that MCC required several thousand dollars to do the show.  
Some of you may have read about this in the last issue of DeLorean World.  
I'm very interested to find out what this group in Cleveland had to pay.  If 
it's reasonable, I think it would be worth pursuing for the Graceland show in 
2002.  It would give us a chance to show off our cars, and if JZD comes back, 
a chance for people to see that he is free and not in prison.  The show also 
has a segment called Classic Designers and Engineers, and it would be great 
to have JZD's work highlighted in this segment as well.  Let us know what you 
find out Mike; I'm quite interested.

Brian
VIN 1597



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:34:40 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: shirts

Hi
The T-shirts were finished on Tuesday but I was unable to get to the post 
office yesterday. They will go out today 
so they should be in Houston by Monday at the latest.

Ken



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:05:35 GMT
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe

I dont know how interested anyone would be in this but 3M makes a material 
called Scotchlite that is pretty thick and looks similar in shade to the 
original striping. The only difference is this stuff lights up like a mirror 
at night when you shine your headlights on it.

This stuff is commonly used on emergency vehicles. We have a long 2 foot 
wide stripe on our rescue unit at the firehouse. Looks like a regular sport 
stripe by day, but high visibility by night.

Any custom design is readilly available as every police dept and fire dept 
in the country has there own design. You can send your design specs in and 
they will send your design back in a couple weeks w/directions on how to 
apply.

I'm not gonna do any free ads for the company, but if you are intersted let 
me know privatly I'll send you the link.

later,
dr c.
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Wide black stripe
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:11:56 -0600

De Lorean Motor Company (Houston) has been researching having the
black stripes reproduced, and have had some success. I would look for
them to be available in time for the Christmas shopping season. The
primary difference in our reproduction black stripe kits is the lack
of "texture" in the black material. Though of you that have seen the
stripes up close will know what I am talking about - those that have
only seen pictures will not be able to tell them from original.
Pricing is still being worked out, and an announcement will be made
when they are ready via our email newsletter - those fo you that are
not subcribers may wish to join here - it's free.

http://www.egroups.com/group/usadmc/info.html

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com


 >I got a tremendous response to my posting that I had a set of black
 >stripes.  Problem is I only have one set and over 10 people want
 >them.  Would everyone be interested in still buying them if I got
 >them reproduced.  I could take it in to a place that does that and
 >see how much it would cost to get an exact replica produced.  This
 >would probably be better for everyone anyways because the glue on the
 >20 year old stickers gets pretty difficult to work with.  Just email
 >and let me know and if I have enough demand, I will see what it will
 >cost to get them duplicated and manufactured.


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Message: 18
Date: 24 Aug 2000 10:32:41 -0500
From: sharkywtrs_at_dml_charter.net
Subject: RE: Help! Fuel Pump Noise! And Fuel Smell! Help!

Stian-


This could be way off, but something very similar happened to mine.  If you have ever looked at the configuration of the fuel pump/boot area also sits directly below a water drain in the body.   My situation was this, and it's possible it's also yours.  The rubber cap on top of the fuel pump boot which keeps water away from the pump itself is very, very, very hard to get back on top correcly, and they had not only left the boot cap too high off of the boot, but they had also not seated the pump itself far enough into the boot, so when it rained, water got into my fuel system, causing very similar problems.  Seeing as they washed it before you picked it up, maybe you should check this out.


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:13:51 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: First Time Driver...A true story!!

How old were you when you get the D(maybe how old are you now?)

I think the reason higher mileage cars are in better condition is by driving
it often you can identify more problems(like factory problems) that you cant
identify when its just sitting in the garage.


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From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:05 AM
Subject: [DML] First Time Driver...A true story!!


> Hi,
>   I feel I can adequately comment on an under 10k Delorean. A month ago, I
> was looking for a Delorean. I needed a loan and the bank would lend me
> $14,000 for a Delorean. OK. So on goes the search. I found an ad in
Hemmings
> motor news for a "high-mileage" Delorean for the price of $8500. The ad
says
> very road worthy. Hmmmm, I think--To good to be true. So I contact the
> owner. He sends me pictures of a beautiful 1982 stainless, 5 speed. I get
a
> plane ticket and fly to PA(from IL). Buy the car and drive it 700+ miles
> home. The car is still running a month later with a few minor problems.
> Marty Mair and I adjusted the valves so it is running a whole lot better
> with just #4 valve noise. Go figure, it is a daily driver. The car has
> several unique features including: Stainless steel brake/clutch lines,all
> electrical upgrades, rear wing/corvette 3rd stop light,alpine stereo
> casette/equalizer, floor mats, central radar detection system, wide
> "dealer-like" sport stripes.
>   The car has few problems like no A/C, parking brake gone, minor interior
> wear, etc. But the frame looks good, obviously ran OK for 1000+ miles
since
> I've had it. The speedo stopped at 36k and the owner had no idea how many
> miles it had. He got it from a bank as colletoral on a failed loan.
>    The moral of this story: IMHO, it is possible to find a good Delorean
for
> under 10k. I realize my case is rare, but a good and extensive search can
> yield results. A high-mileage car isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long
as
> the car was maintained. :) Find out from the experts(like Marty, Micah,
> others on this list) what to look for. Another point: Isn't it kinda funny
> all the problems people have with low mileage cars that have been stored
for
> years, whereas there are some higher mileage cars that run flawlessly.
> Hmmmmm, Makes you think, doesn't it?
>    I got a heck of a deal, I think. It will cost me maybe 1000 to get
> everything fixed(A/C is expensive) but then I will have an awesome D for
10
> grand.]
>    BTW, b/c the real owner of this car(the guy that put it up for a loan)
is
> nowhere to be found I have no history on this vehicle. Carfax yields
nothing
> except the owner I bought it from in PA. The car vin is #10188. It was
> originally registered in MA before PA. The owner took real good care of
it.
> Anyone know who that might be?
>
> Nathan E. Green
> gzen21_at_dml_excite.com
>
> "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna'
see
> some serious s--t"
> -Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"
>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:35:24 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Door locks

Walt,

What service bulletin are you referring to ?

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walter 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [DML] Door locks


  Could you describe better what you have started with?

  My first suspicion is that you are describing a situation where your car is
  an '81 and has (or had) the two key system (meaning that the door key and
  ignition key are different.)

  The door locks on these cars are prone to jamming, and supposedly the
  'service bulletin' fix for this is to replace the door locks with a new
  lockset that matches the ignition key, thus turning your car into a one-key
  system.

  In this situation, the two-key system cars have a round hole in the door
  with square notches at the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions.  The later
  produced one-key system cars have a round hole in the door with square
  notches at the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions.

  When a two-key system door lock jammed and was repaired under warranty, the
  dealer would remove the old lock and replace it with the one key system
  lock, and in the process --- in order to make the new lock fit, the dealer
  would have to cut new notches at the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions.
  The old notches at the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions are then no longer
  used.

  My suspicion is that your doors were converted to the newer one-key system,
  but whoever did this did not cut the new notches.  In stead, they put the
  lock in sideways making it fit the old notches.

  However, one important caveat here!  I am in the middle of replacing my
  jammed-up two-key system locks with the one-key system.  I'm really not sure
  where the new notch locations are supposed to be.  I'm only parroting back
  what I understood Rob Grady to tell me over the phone.  So I may be
  inaccurate about the notch locations.

  I will know the rest of the story when my new locks arrive.  Where are they
  Rob? :)

  Walt




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:19:43 -0000
From: nskalsky_at_dml_remc4.k12.mi.us
Subject: 20years of Michigan Weather (long and full of questions)

 Delorean Guru's,
         I have been searching for a delorean for about a year.  I 
live in Michigan.  I've passed serveral chances to buy a delorean, 
just out of being picky about 5speed, grey, thin stripe, and price. 
I 
am "looking" at a delorean (emailed pics), that fits the bill.  The 
problem... It has been stored continously since 1989, every thing
that 
is not stainless is rusted (it was outside for a number of years I 
think).  The car has 3,000miles on it, but the seats (at least the 
driver seat, is very cracked, probably sun damage.  the dashboard and 
fascias (warped) are sun scorched.  The engine is very rusted looking 
and the frame was deemed "unsafe" because of extensive rust damage to 
the front part of frame (1989).  The owner who is selling it bought
it 
in this condition a number of years ago, he bought a "rolling chasis" 
from a delorean that had a interior fire.  he never had time to work 
on the car and is now selling the delorean and the 2nd frame.  Is
this 
sad delorean a lost cause? what price range do you think I should ask 
for if I do want to purchase it?  I have the space to re-build the
car 
and allthough I'm not a mechanic I can handle big projects.  what are 
the implicataions of a frame transfer? can the windshields be taken 
out without cracking? is the rust I see probably mostly cosmetic or 
evidence of much worse damage to internal engine components? is there 
any chance that the old frame could be structuraly inforced without 
removeing the car from it (I say this because the front is where the 
extensive damage seems to be).  alot of questions!! thanks so much in 
advance, this list is the largest knowledge base for delorean owners 
and wana-be owners like myself and I truly appreciate it! Thanks!

 - Nate

 




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:41:53 -0700
From: Mike Hirko <mikehirko_at_dml_tdn.com>
Subject: Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"

DMC Joe wrote:

> <snip>   I will be there to reveal the mysteries of the inside of the DeLorean gullwing doors.  <snip>

DMC Joe,
    Would it be possible for your "door session" to be videotaped & offered for sale to list members???   I, for one, would be willing to pay a reasonable price for a tape of reasonable quality, that showed the intracacies of the door innards, what to watch for, how to avoid doing more damage than what has
failed/become maladjusted, etc.

Mike Hirko
vin   1387




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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:12:57 -0700
From: "Steve Pattison" <stevep1_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Looking for Vin 1534

GlacierSorry to bother everyone with this but I'm looking for any info on an
earlier D that I sold years ago.  The Vin was 1534 to my best recollection.
I purchased it in Miami from a car dealer and it had NJ plates at the time.
I later drove it to California and sold it (private sale) in San Diego.

Thanks for any help !

Steve Pattison
Vin 2528
San Diego



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:00:30 -0000
From: "Claude Ballsé" <claudeballse_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

BTTF has been an influence for a few people in buying a DeLorean. But 
the majority of people that I have met that want one got their first 
look _at_dml_ one while it was on display in a museum or on the road. 
Usually the one that was here _at_dml_ the Imperial Palace auto colection, 
or the Peterson Automotive Museum in LA. And some folks even remember 
them rotating on display in the casinos as slot prizes! I think the 
very first time I saw a DeLorean, it was on display in the basement 
of the Museum of Science and Industry _at_dml_ Exposition Park in Los 
Angeles around 17-18 years ago.
Plus, I'd have to say the biggest influence for myself to buy a D 
was/is my parents! My parents first saw the D when it was displayed 
durring the U.S. Open tennis tournament. Both fell in love with the 
car at first sight, but at the time the car was half the cost of a 
house they were looking at. Long story short, they passed on buying 
the car at the time, but ended up passing the passion for the car on 
to me!
As for original owners, I agree that it would be great if they could 
share things with us such as first time buying expieriences, 
impressions, etc... When I purchased my car, the original owner had 
passed away quite a few years earlier. I have some sketchy details 
about why he purchased the car, but nothing such as personal 
expierences with it. I don't ever plan on selling my car, but I also 
know that I can't take it with me, which is why I'm documenting 
everything now for when it's passed down...

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_h...> 
wrote:
> >It turns out there are plenty of 18 and under delorean drivers, 
hmm, I
> >wonder where the old original owners are lurking.
> >
> Boy, thats tells you how many people BTTF infulanced to get a 
delorean.
> As for the oringal owners, It would be great to have at least one 
on the 
> list, and to share their wisdom. Like Curtis's (lastname?) jazzed 
up 
> delorean, who was at the show at clevan OH, I read he was the 
orginal owner 
> of his delorean.
> 
> John Gieodsh aka Fronzel Neekburm





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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:55:49 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe

In a message dated 8/23/00 9:54:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

<< Would everyone be interested in still buying them if I got 
 them reproduced. >>
Yeah, I'd be interested.  Sign companies often have access to that type of 
material, if it's what I think it is.  (I've seen them in person, but never 
got down on my knees to check it out.)

-Wayne
"The Nose Bra Guy"... another revived original!
11174



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