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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 20years of Michigan Weather (long and full of questions)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

2. Re: [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

3. Wide Black Stripes (Old ones still good)
From: "Steve Pattison" <stevep1_at_dml_home.com>

4. Weak fan circulation
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

5. Giugiaro, VW and Isuzu Similiarity
From: dga7782_at_dml_aol.com

6. gas overflow
From: brownalizat_at_dml_exchange.uams.edu

7. Re: Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Door locks
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: 20years of Michigan Weather (long and full of questions)
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

10. Door locks
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

11. Re: Giugiaro
From: ciasleeper2_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

13. Re: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Re: Bricklin
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. Fuel Pump Problem Solved!
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Giugiaro
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com

17. Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: comet6974_at_dml_juno.com

18. Re: Wide black stripe
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

19. DMC2 Watch
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

20. Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"
From: jimmuc_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

22. RE: gas overflow
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

23. new delorean
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

24. Re: Weak fan circulation
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com

25. Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: danh_at_dml_nwlink.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: 20years of Michigan Weather (long and full of questions)

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 nskalsky_at_dml_remc4.k12.mi.us wrote:

> fascias (warped) are sun scorched.  The engine is very rusted looking 
> and the frame was deemed "unsafe" because of extensive rust damage to 
> the front part of frame (1989).  The owner who is selling it bought

You are probably out of luck with the original frame.  The engine could go
either way.  It's not uncommon for the ugliest looking pile of metal to
turn out to be a fine mechanical engine.  Unfortunately it requires a
little bit of effort to know for sure.  Ideally you would take off the oil
pan, valve covers, and manifolds and inspect all visible parts (I'd say to
remove the heads too but they are so easy to warp that it is probably not
worth it).  If everything looks ok you can probably squirt some oil in and
run it - having gone through the fuel system in the process of
disassembling the car to remove the frame :}

> Is this sad delorean a lost cause? what price range do you think I
> should ask for if I do want to purchase it?  I have the space to

No, but it is definitely going to be a major project.  It would be a good
car for someone looking to do a complete rebuild, perhaps with a stainless
frame and a new engine.

Value is not going to be high.  In effect, the only thing on the car worth
keeping is the body and suspension.  I'm thinking $3K if the engine is
ruined, $5K if it is ok.

> and allthough I'm not a mechanic I can handle big projects.  what are 
> the implicataions of a frame transfer? can the windshields be taken 

You will be after you're done with this one <g>

It's really just a lot of work.  You should really think of it as a
frame-up restoration project rather than a big part swap, as it will more
accurately reflect the scope of the project.

> evidence of much worse damage to internal engine components? is there 
> any chance that the old frame could be structuraly inforced without 

I wouldn't do that, unless the damage is either very minor or a DMC
specialist says it can be repaired from looking at it.  You don't want
your frame coming apart!




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:23:34 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

The first delorean I saw was in back to the future, and I think its a great
movie, but thats not why I'm interested in buying one. I also saw a
(lowered) delorean in a car museum awhile back(in pretty bad condition, yet
on display) and I couldn't leave it. Everyone else walked forward and I just
stayed there glaring at it. Even though it wasn't the most expensive or
fastest, It was certainly the best for me. When I found out you could get a
delorean for 20k and less I was nicely suprised.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claude Ballsť" <claudeballse_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:00 AM
Subject: [DML] [New Owner Here] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver


> BTTF has been an influence for a few people in buying a DeLorean. But
> the majority of people that I have met that want one got their first
> look _at_dml_ one while it was on display in a museum or on the road.
> Usually the one that was here _at_dml_ the Imperial Palace auto colection,
> or the Peterson Automotive Museum in LA. And some folks even remember
> them rotating on display in the casinos as slot prizes! I think the
> very first time I saw a DeLorean, it was on display in the basement
> of the Museum of Science and Industry _at_dml_ Exposition Park in Los
> Angeles around 17-18 years ago.
> Plus, I'd have to say the biggest influence for myself to buy a D
> was/is my parents! My parents first saw the D when it was displayed
> durring the U.S. Open tennis tournament. Both fell in love with the
> car at first sight, but at the time the car was half the cost of a
> house they were looking at. Long story short, they passed on buying
> the car at the time, but ended up passing the passion for the car on
> to me!
> As for original owners, I agree that it would be great if they could
> share things with us such as first time buying expieriences,
> impressions, etc... When I purchased my car, the original owner had
> passed away quite a few years earlier. I have some sketchy details
> about why he purchased the car, but nothing such as personal
> expierences with it. I don't ever plan on selling my car, but I also
> know that I can't take it with me, which is why I'm documenting
> everything now for when it's passed down...
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_h...>
> wrote:
> > >It turns out there are plenty of 18 and under delorean drivers,
> hmm, I
> > >wonder where the old original owners are lurking.
> > >
> > Boy, thats tells you how many people BTTF infulanced to get a
> delorean.
> > As for the oringal owners, It would be great to have at least one
> on the
> > list, and to share their wisdom. Like Curtis's (lastname?) jazzed
> up
> > delorean, who was at the show at clevan OH, I read he was the
> orginal owner
> > of his delorean.
> >
> > John Gieodsh aka Fronzel Neekburm
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:33:50 -0700
From: "Steve Pattison" <stevep1_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Wide Black Stripes (Old ones still good)

GlacierI recently bought a set of these stripes from Christoph Wirz in
Switzerland.  I was happy to find them after searching for a while.
Although the stripes are about 20 years old they still adhered perfectly and
came with directions for application.

Steve Pattison
Vin 2528
San Diego





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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:02:12 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Weak fan circulation

When I got my D in February, the heater would only blow one way... no 
defrost, etc.  All fan settings worked, but nearly all the air came from the 
center of the dash. Ok, I rebuilt the mode switch, now I can redirect the air 
as intended, but the flow is pretty feeble.  A.C. just ooozes lazily out.  
Defrost doesn't work any better, really, than when it didn't blow on the 
windows at all.  I usually ride around with the windows open, whether A.C. or 
defroster is on or not.  (I've been spending my cash on preventative 
maintenance/replacement of safety items and mechanicals, not creature 
conforts.)  The fan sounds like it's blowing quite vigorously.  I looked/ 
felt under the right dash and the hoses seem connected. No air gushing out.  
But with the A.C. on, it felt a bit cool and breezy under the dash where you 
cram your hand to reach the mode switch.  Ideas anyone?

-Wayne
"Living the dream" (and sometimes squinting to see)
11174



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:03:43 EDT
From: dga7782_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Giugiaro, VW and Isuzu Similiarity

This might be the last of the Giugiaro-VW threads, but I thought I'd offer my 
two cents.  The Volkswagen Scirocco (yes, it's been mentioned here before) 
seems to have more DeLorean similarities than the Corrado.  The grill being 
the most prominent.  

Does anyone remember the '84-88 Isuzu Impulse hatchbacks?  I don't know if 
Giugiaro had any influence, but this car, from front to back seems like an 
impressive and cheaper clone of the DeLorean.  Again, the grill being the 
dead-ringer.  Check one out at the Autotrader.com page if you're interested, 
there is a lot of similarity in shape, and the overall "swooping" look that 
the DeLorean creates. Just my two cents.

Kevin 



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:08:54 -0000
From: brownalizat_at_dml_exchange.uams.edu
Subject: gas overflow

Hi Group:

Has anyone had this problem with their car, where the gas backflows 
out before the tank is yet full? I have this happen three times now, 
am I just not putting the nozzle in right? I have never had this 
problem with any of our other vehicles.

thanks for your input.

Aliza  7003




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:02:13 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities

In a message dated 8/24/00 8:36:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Klaus-Peter.Steiner_at_dml_energie.rwe.de writes:

<< The switch on the DeLorean and the Corrado are identical. Its the same
 Bosch-Part... >>

Which is....?

-Wayne



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:16:56 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Door locks

Joe,

As I said, I'm only parroting back what Rob Grady told me.  Chances are, if
you don't know about this service bulletin, then it probably doesn't exist.
If this is true, then I was probably told about an instruction sheet which
was supplied to dealers with the new locksets.  I think Rob referred to a
template to show the cutting of new slots in the door sheet metal.  So it
makes sense that it is really just an instruction sheet.

Walt




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:37:37 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: 20years of Michigan Weather (long and full of questions)

Nate,

I would suggest using the $20K rule.  A perfectly preserved and maintained
Delorean with all the factory defects and weak spots and wear spots repaired
and restored is probably not worth much more than $20K.  I would make up a
laundry list of EVERYTHING that should be done to the car (or pile of car
parts in this case) and deduct what everything would cost to fix.  I would
take a wild guess that when you are through subtracting everything, you
would come up with around $6K to $10K for what this 'package' is worth.

For example, on this list be sure to include tires, a battery, refinishing
the rims, repainting or replacing the facias, everything to do with the fuel
system (mostly replace), everything to do with the cooling system (mostly
replace), everything to do with the A/C, new window motors, alternator, gas
struts, extensive electrical upgrades, total re-upholstery job, etc., etc.,
etc. and so on.

A good place to start would be to check out some of the web sites of
Delorean parts suppliers.  I think Delorean Motor Company's web page gives a
break down piece by piece and a price marked next to everything that is
available.

Why am I answering this question?  I probably know next to nothing compared
to the big name lurkers on this list.  Well, that's my opinion.  It's worth
what you paid for it.

Walt





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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Door locks

------Original Message------
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Sent: August 24, 2000 9:27:44 AM GMT
Subject: Re: [DML] Door locks


Ah, I remember seeing a bulletin about the locks- it described how to enter
your key at and angle into the lock's 'dish' because the lock's little water
flap that covers the barrel did not open easily.

I do not have the 'dish'- that small indentation in the lock base so that
the key slides toward the hole if you miss (maybe this discourages drunk
driving? If you can't manage to get the key in the hole, don't drive!!)

The slots in the door are at the 9 and 3 oclock positions, but by the design
of the lock, it seems to me that they should be at the 12 and 6 oclock
positions.  The lock also fits loose in the hole, making me think it's not
OEM, even if it is a replacement.  The door lock key does not match the
ignition key- it's still a 2 key car.  The car is an '81.

I think it's a little too hack to start filing/cutting the door to make the
lock fit.  I wonder if I can find early model lock replacements- one where
the lock base notches are at 9 and 3 and the barrel that will connect to the
plastic piece on the inside such that it is vertical when not in use..

I guess I should just call the boyz and see if it's available...

Jim

>Could you describe better what you have started with?
>
>My first suspicion is that you are describing a situation where >your car
is
>an '81 and has (or had) the two key system (meaning that the >door key and
>ignition key are different.)

snip! hack! saw! cut!






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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:05:54 EDT
From: ciasleeper2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Giugiaro

Giugiaro would be a good man to have, but what about Bill Collins? He would 
be great to have at the show, hoever I'm not sure what his feelings regarding 
the marque are these days.

Justin
5172

In a message dated 8/24/00 1:09:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
haldeman_at_dml_indexdesign.com writes:

<<    It would be pretty cool if we could get Ken to bring Giugiaro to the 
Memphis
 show.  After JZD, Giugiaro is the guy I'd like to meet the most!  It would be
 neat to hear, first hand, about his involvement in the DMC project and learn
 more about his design philosophy in general since he's been such a major
 influence in the automotive industry for so many years.
     How bout' it Ken, need another major challenge? (hehe)
     Josh
     VIN 5102
     VIN 15964 >>



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:53:17 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"

I called Trevor Summers and got an answering machine.  I'm not sure he will
be very motivated to return a long distance call.  Anyway, I'm in Tampa,
Florida and am foolish enough to drive over there, but I would have to leave
tomorrow afternoon.  Does this make any sense?  Of course not.  That makes
it more fun.  For the past month I've been driving around with no door panel
on my passenger door waiting for new door locks to arrive, so the car is all
ready for the tech session.

If you could e-mail me and give me explicit directions and what/when/where,
I could just make it.

Let me know VERY soon,

Walt

P.S. Hey Brian, want to come with me?


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From: DMC Joe <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:35 AM
Subject: [DML] "A DAY IN THE DOORS"


>TO ALL,
>
>The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club will hold a tech session and cook-out
this Saturday in Carrolton Georgia. I will be there to reveal the mysteries
of the inside of the DeLorean gullwing doors. The tech session starts at
3pm. For directions and further details contact Trevor Summers at 770
214-0025.
>
>"We're here to help you"
>
>DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
>Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:25:32 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

Brian,

There are three possibilities for high engine temperature:

1. DEFECTIVE COOLING FAN TEMPERATURE SWITCH.
2. TRAPPED AIR IN THE COOLANT LINES.
3. LOW COOLANT LEVEL.
4. DEFECTIVE THERMOSTAT. 

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:01 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [DML] Delorean Overheating (almost)


  I have a question about this overheating thread.  My DeLorean has never 
  overheated, but the fans don't come on until the temperature gauge is almost 
  to the 220 degrees mark.  It's never gone above that.

  Living in South Carolina, it gets very hot here in the summer.  It's not 
  unusual driving in stop and go town trafic with the A/C running for the gauge 
  to stay near the 220 mark.  Is this ok?  I've bled the system, but that 
  shouldn't be a problem since the fans are running because the A/C is on.  
  I've installed the fan fail bypass, so that's not a problem either.  

  Brian
  VIN 1597 



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:14:25 GMT
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Bricklin

Wow, would you know where to find the sides from Herb Grasse? Or even
Giugiaro of ItalDesign? Now that would be a slide show I would LOVE to 
watch! By the way, where did you get this info?
Jhon Giedosh aka Fronzel Neekburm
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>From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Bricklin
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:44:37 EDT
>
>
>     Dear DML,
>     The initial DeLorean Motor Cars LTD retained and contracted with the 
>very
>best that the automotive industry had to offer. DeLorean hired leading 
>firms
>with professional automotive engineers, designers with countless years of
>professional experience. The Bricklin car on the other hand is an 
>interesting
>concept.
>     Herb Grasse was an antique literature dealer in Cave Creek Arizona. He
>was also one of Malcolm Bricklin' right hand men and chief designer of the
>Bricklin automobile. When I purchased a substantial amount of literature 
>and
>books from him, he said that his Bricklin involvement led him to John
>DeLorean in 1974-1975 just at the time DMC was formed.
>     Evidently, John DeLorean had contacted him to design a sketch of the
>DeLorean Safety Vehicle concept....Herb had prepared a slide show, and
>sketched design elements of John DeLoreans' concept....DeLorean was not
>impressed with the Bricklin Vehicle, company, or the concept and design 
>that
>the young designer sketched.
>     The winner of the bid and designer of the DeLorean was Giugiaro of
>ItalDesign. ItaLDesign is one of the most renown industrial design studios
>specializing in primarily automotive and industrial design. Many of the
>automotive upper echelon in the business have contracted ItalDesign to 
>sketch
>their cars, like Lexus GS 400, Lotus, Bugatti, DeTomaso Mangusta, and
>DeLorean.
>
>Michael
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:07:24 GMT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Fuel Pump Problem Solved!


Thanks to everyone for giving me tips on what to look for and what to do 
regarding my noisy fuel pump and all the tips about a kinked pick-up hose.

Everything is ok now, thanks to all you lovely people on this list!

The DML is the best help you can have when you have questions about your 
DeLorean! Keep up the good work! And a big thanks also to DMC Houston and 
Stephen Wynne!

And yes, the car show is approaching. I look forward to it. Thanks to all 
you people on the list, I got my problem fixed and a car show to attend to 
:)


Sincerely
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759
(w/new fuel pump)
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:13:09 EDT
From: lovdmc12_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Giugiaro

Josh,

That's a great idea, but I think it has one flaw;  I don't think Giugiaro 
speaks English.  I saw him on a History Channel program, and he only spoke in 
Italian.  All of the other European designers and engineers they interviewed 
spoke English, but Giugiaro had an interpretor.  I could be wrong about this. 
 Does anyone know?

Brian
VIN 1597



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:57:50 -0700
From: comet6974_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

www.delorean-owners.org has tons of useful information for the first time
buyer...

Hope this helps

#6974 and 4055
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:37:09 GMT
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe

Hello DML, thats great news that the stripes are being reporduced, (as James 
said below) and, I don't want to get ahead of my self, but woundn't it be 
great to have the prototype stripes ready to order also? Instead of the 81 
stripes. Look at them with the listed links below from Delorean motor 
company Houstion's web page. Of corse, if that was possable, they would make 
to prototype wheels, and other things, like the painted SS right fender, and 
the red and blue interiors. Of corse, its just my opinion.

http://www.usadmc.com/more/Downloads/Gallery/Gallery02/gallery02.asp
http://www.usadmc.com/more/Downloads/Gallery/Gallery03/gallery03.asp
http://www.usadmc.com/more/Downloads/Gallery/Gallery05/gallery04.asp

John Giedosh aka Fronzel Neekburm

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>From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Wide black stripe
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:11:56 -0600
>
>De Lorean Motor Company (Houston) has been researching having the
>black stripes reproduced, and have had some success. I would look for
>them to be available in time for the Christmas shopping season. The
>primary difference in our reproduction black stripe kits is the lack
>of "texture" in the black material. Though of you that have seen the
>stripes up close will know what I am talking about - those that have
>only seen pictures will not be able to tell them from original.
>Pricing is still being worked out, and an announcement will be made
>when they are ready via our email newsletter - those fo you that are
>not subcribers may wish to join here - it's free.
>
>http://www.egroups.com/group/usadmc/info.html
>
>James Espey
>DeLorean Motor Company
>Houston, Texas
>
>281/568-9573
>800/USA-DMC1
>http://www.delorean.com
>
>
> >I got a tremendous response to my posting that I had a set of black
> >stripes.  Problem is I only have one set and over 10 people want
> >them.  Would everyone be interested in still buying them if I got
> >them reproduced.  I could take it in to a place that does that and
> >see how much it would cost to get an exact replica produced.  This
> >would probably be better for everyone anyways because the glue on the
> >20 year old stickers gets pretty difficult to work with.  Just email
> >and let me know and if I have enough demand, I will see what it will
> >cost to get them duplicated and manufactured.
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:59:27 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: DMC2 Watch

I just received an email from the DMC2 mailing list on the watch and have this to say. Delorean should give us more info because a 3,000 dollar investment is a little much when we know little about the car and have no gurantee it will even come out.

Think though, if it did, the effects it would have! What if it becomes a very popular top selling car? Original deloreans could go up in value yet at the same time if the new delorean really is 20,000 and really does go from 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and keeps the greatness of the original delorean, who(buying a car for a daily driver) would buy the original delorean at the same price with still problems having to do with a 20 year old car.

Personally, if the new delorean does come out and I haven't purchased an older delorean(very unlikely), I would seriously consider the new car. But, sometimes its hard to keep the same style as the original and I know John Delorean wasn't happy with the original(after his original ideas were taken away by lotus) so how do we know how DMC2 will turn out?

Hmm, what if it ends up like the sequal to back to the future?(although I liked it, the reviewers didn't take to it well, of course the reviewers didn't take well to the original delorean either)

Anyways, I'm very excited 


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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:32:07 EDT
From: jimmuc_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"

Anyone from FL going? I'm in FL and thinking about going. 
-Jimmy



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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:23:38 -0400
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities

Here's what I got from Klaus this morning:

the part number is

VW Corrado, 4-speed fan switch, VW Part No. 321 959 511
Price in Germany 8.00 $

I hope, this could help you, because it's the German number--Klaus


Matthew
Vin #10365
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Subject: DeLorean/VW Corrado Similarities


> In a message dated 8/24/00 8:36:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> Klaus-Peter.Steiner_at_dml_energie.rwe.de writes:
> 
> << The switch on the DeLorean and the Corrado are identical. Its the same
>  Bosch-Part... >>
> 
> Which is....?
> 
> -Wayne




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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:07:03 -0000
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: RE: gas overflow

My typical problem is with the gas automatically shutting off every few
seconds if fully inserted. . . I have always just put the nozzle about 1/2
to 3/4 of the way in.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: brownalizat_at_dml_exchange.uams.edu
[mailto:brownalizat_at_dml_exchange.uams.edu]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:09 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] gas overflow


Hi Group:

Has anyone had this problem with their car, where the gas backflows
out before the tank is yet full? I have this happen three times now,
am I just not putting the nozzle in right? I have never had this
problem with any of our other vehicles.

thanks for your input.

Aliza  7003



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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:07:05 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: new delorean

I searched the archive and saw a message from someone who worked for the delorean and worked on the prototype. Can you tell us more about it?


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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:32:14 EDT
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Weak fan circulation

I have some ideas......

1.  The center vents have rubber boots that can/will come loose.  Are they 
connected properly?
2.  Have you replaced the fan blower resistor?
3.  Have you replaced the circuit breaker for the fan?  This is especially 
important for fan speeds 3 and 4.  

These are just ideas.  I hope they lead you in some sort of direction.  

Regards,
Darren Decker
#5000



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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:39:44 -0000
From: danh_at_dml_nwlink.com
Subject: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

When I was shopping for my D last spring I did a lot of thinking and 
research on the cost vs. condition question.  I found a few Ds in 
great shape for 17-20k, but I opted to buy a D that wasn't in perfect 
condition for $11k (cracked windshield, some minor scratches and 
dents).  My reasoning was this, when buying a used car you NEVER know 
for sure what's wrong with it; so paying a premium for a "perfect" 
car is kinda silly since you don't know for sure if it's "perfect."  

Also, if you plan on driving the car a lot, it's likely that you'll 
collect a few scratches, or dents yourself; if you paid $20k for a 
perfect car these day to day problems will likely give you an ulcer. 
Only pay a premium for a D if you're a collector.

-M


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> Mark Noeltner wrote:
> 
> > Other people on the list have mentioned the $20,000 rule. You can 
either
> > buy a good D for $20,000, or you can spend $10,000 for one, plus 
another
> > $10,000 to get it into shape (substitute any two numbers adding 
up to 20,000).
> 
> While I mostly agree with this, I want to point out is that it is 
possible to find
> a reliable DeLorean in the $12,000-$15,000 price range that has 
only cosmetic
> faults.  You can drive a car with dented stainless, sagging 
headliners, cracked
> leather, a faded dashboard, or ripped carpeting.  Unfortunately, 
when you find a
> car with these cosmetic faults it is very likely to have some 
hidden mechanical
> problems.  Either way, you can put off cosmetic repairs as long as 
you can stand
> to look at the faults.
> 
> If anyone is considering a DeLorean as a daily driver, also 
remember the $1,600
> rule: budget at least $1,600 in parts and labor every year to keep 
your daily
> driver running.  If you spend less than that this year, plan to 
spend more next
> year.  Sometimes a lot more.  If you plan to do restoration work 
while driving the
> DeLorean daily (restoring at a leisurely pace), you should probably 
double that
> figure.
> 
> > I strongly recommend having a 2nd reliable car to drive, [SNIP]
> > since they are almost 20 years old, they are going to need a lot 
of work to
> > get them there just like any other car that old.
> 
> Absolutely.  If you plan on driving *any* 10+ year old car every 
day, you had
> better assume some unscheduled down time for repairs.  If you have 
another car for
> winter driving, you can improve this by doing some maintenance and 
repairs during
> the winter.
> 
> - Mike Substelny
> VIN 01280, 7 years




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