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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Weak fan circulation
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Re: Re: Bricklin
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

4. rusted screws ??
From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: DMC2 Watch
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>

6. Re: Wide black stripe (---> I have one to sell if price is o.k.)
From: cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com

7. Re: Dennis Gage gave me the High Five last night
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com

9. Re: Weak fan circulation
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

11. Wide Black Stripes (Old ones still good)
From: Dee Moats <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>

12. Re: rusted screws ??
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>

13. Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Re: Bricklin
From: pantera74l_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: low profile rims for Delorean
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

17. Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

18. Re: rusted screws ??
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

19. Delorean motor for sale
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>

20. Re: Weak fan circulation
From: "Michael R. Dixon" <investment_at_dml_sunnet.net>

21. Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

22. Re: DMC2 Watch
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

23. Re: low profile rims for Delorean
From: "Don Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

24. Door straps
From: dickross_at_dml_indra.com

25. Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:32:31 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Weak fan circulation

Hello Wayne
 The first and easiest thing to check is fan rotation. Without even 
checking which way it goes just reverse the wires to the motor and 
give it a try. You should get a strong blast out the vents. As for 
motor speeds check the switch and the wiring. Another remote 
possability is that the fan is loose on the motor shaft, this would 
require you to remove the fan motor to check visably.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> When I got my D in February, the heater would only blow one way... 
no 
> defrost, etc.  All fan settings worked, but nearly all the air came 
from the 
> center of the dash. Ok, I rebuilt the mode switch, now I can 
redirect the air 
> as intended, but the flow is pretty feeble.  A.C. just ooozes
lazily 
out.  
> Defrost doesn't work any better, really, than when it didn't blow
on 
the 
> windows at all.  I usually ride around with the windows open, 
whether A.C. or 
> defroster is on or not.  (I've been spending my cash on
preventative 
> maintenance/replacement of safety items and mechanicals, not 
creature 
> conforts.)  The fan sounds like it's blowing quite vigorously.  I 
looked/ 
> felt under the right dash and the hoses seem connected. No air 
gushing out.  
> But with the A.C. on, it felt a bit cool and breezy under the dash 
where you 
> cram your hand to reach the mode switch.  Ideas anyone?
> 
> -Wayne
> "Living the dream" (and sometimes squinting to see)
> 11174




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:50:58 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

A few more things to check on an overheating "D"

(1) Make sure both fans are working
(2) Make sure both fans are blowing air in the correct direction 
ie:into the radiator and toward the rear of the car
(3) Make sure the fans are securely attached to the fan motor shafts
(4) If you have an eary "D" the fan switch is on top of the pipe it 
would be better if you turned it down like in the latter "D"'s so if 
there is an air bubble by the switch it doesn't affect the operation 
of it.
(5) If the timming is way off or the vacum advance isn't working 
correctly it could cause it to run hot.
(6) If the fuel mixture is too lean it would run hot
(7) If the parking brake or a caliper was dragging it would run hot
(8) The radiator could be partialy obstructed
(9) A hose on the suction side of the water pump could be collapsing.

I hope I have given you a few more things to look for, a "D" in good 
running condition should not run hot. Be careful, the engine is very 
sturdy, it will last a long time if taken care of but it will not 
tolerate being overheated very long. This is probably the single 
biggest reason people have had to do engine work or even replace the 
motor in a "D".

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


-- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> There are three possibilities for high engine temperature:
> 
> 1. DEFECTIVE COOLING FAN TEMPERATURE SWITCH.
> 2. TRAPPED AIR IN THE COOLANT LINES.
> 3. LOW COOLANT LEVEL.
> 4. DEFECTIVE THERMOSTAT. 
> 
> "We're here to help you"
> 
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
>   
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: lovdmc12_at_dml_a... 
>   To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:01 AM
>   Subject: Re: Re: [DML] Delorean Overheating (almost)
> 
> 
>   I have a question about this overheating thread.  My DeLorean has 
never 
>   overheated, but the fans don't come on until the temperature
gauge 
is almost 
>   to the 220 degrees mark.  It's never gone above that.
> 
>   Living in South Carolina, it gets very hot here in the summer.  
It's not 
>   unusual driving in stop and go town trafic with the A/C running 
for the gauge 
>   to stay near the 220 mark.  Is this ok?  I've bled the system,
but 
that 
>   shouldn't be a problem since the fans are running because the A/C 
is on.  
>   I've installed the fan fail bypass, so that's not a problem 
either.  
> 
>   Brian
>   VIN 1597 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:52:21 EDT
From: senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Bricklin



<< Wow, would you know where to find the sides from Herb Grasse? Or even
 Giugiaro of ItalDesign? Now that would be a slide show I would LOVE to 
 watch! By the way, where did you get this info? >>


From Herb Grasse himself.

Michael



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:03:42 -0000
From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: rusted screws ??

One of my headlights burned out, and the screws are completely 
rusted, and I'm unable to get to the light to replace it.  Anyone 
have any ideas or know how to get the screws out or how I can get the 
headlight replaced ??

Thanks in advance,

James Teston #15314




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:06:29 -0400
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
Subject: Re: DMC2 Watch

Had lunch with John DeLorean today.  To confirm, he is still trying to come
out with another car, but his interests are quite diversified and he is
getting involved with a number of ventures.  Still, as those of you who met
him here in Cleveland in June, he is still a dynamic fellow at 75 and with
the bankruptcy off his back...who knows what kind of ventures he might be
involved in and will make a valuable contribution to.

David Levey
#6377 Cleveland

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:59 PM
Subject: [DML] DMC2 Watch


> I just received an email from the DMC2 mailing list on the watch and have
this to say. Delorean should give us more info because a 3,000 dollar
investment is a little much when we know little about the car and have no
gurantee it will even come out.
>
> Think though, if it did, the effects it would have! What if it becomes a
very popular top selling car? Original deloreans could go up in value yet at
the same time if the new delorean really is 20,000 and really does go from
0-60 in 3.6 seconds and keeps the greatness of the original delorean,
who(buying a car for a daily driver) would buy the original delorean at the
same price with still problems having to do with a 20 year old car.
>
> Personally, if the new delorean does come out and I haven't purchased an
older delorean(very unlikely), I would seriously consider the new car. But,
sometimes its hard to keep the same style as the original and I know John
Delorean wasn't happy with the original(after his original ideas were taken
away by lotus) so how do we know how DMC2 will turn out?
>
> Hmm, what if it ends up like the sequal to back to the future?(although I
liked it, the reviewers didn't take to it well, of course the reviewers
didn't take well to the original delorean either)
>
> Anyways, I'm very excited
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:21:50 +0200
From: cwirz_at_dml_sairgroup.com
Subject: Re: Wide black stripe (---> I have one to sell if price is o.k.)




I have one Original set left.

If the Price is high enough I would be willing to sell it.
Please make offer

Christoph Wirz
De Lorean Automobile
wirz_at_dml_delorean.ch










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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:29:25 EDT
From: wingd2_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Dennis Gage gave me the High Five last night

   Like Mike and Brian both said, Dennis Gage (of "My Classic Car" car show 
fame) really is a true car nut and he truly does have a love for the Delorean 
automobile.

   Our Delorean club has attended his "My Classic Car" car show in Evansville 
Indiana all 3 years it's been held, and this show continues to grow larger 
and larger every year. Yet each time we're at the show, Dennis takes the time 
to come by and spend a little time with us to talk cars and stuff. And each 
time he comes by, he has a camera crew right behind him shooting everything 
that happens.  Every year he makes sure photos of our group end up somewhere 
on their web site or, like Brian pointed out, on TV.  We have even talked 
with him about featuring the Delorean on one of his TV shows, and it is 
something he has expressed a real interest in doing. Things are in the works, 
it just takes time.  Attempts were also made to get him to attend Ken's show 
in Cleveland this year and again, there was definite interest on his part, 
it's just their TV show is so popular, scheduling a show right now is 
currently extended out 2 years into the future. Unfortunately there was not 
enough lead time available for Cleveland. Discussions about Memphis in 2002 
are under way.

  Anyway, the "My Classic Car" car show in Evansville this year is being held 
on Friday, Oct 13th thru Sunday, Oct 15th.  Once again our Delorean club 
plans to attend and we would like to extend an invitation to anyone on the 
list to join us for a great show and some good times. You can check things 
out and register for the show at - www.myclassiccar.com - or - 
www.autofest.com ---  We currently have Deloreans from Illinois, Missouri, 
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio and North and South Carolina 
registered to attend. Everyone is welcome. 

   We also have a brand new motel all set up for this event in Evansville 
which happens to be located right down the street from the show, thanks to 
one of our club members. Matter of fact, he became a member just last year at 
this show. He originally had his Delorean at the show last year to try and 
sell it, he said he never did anything with it because he didn't know anyone 
else with a car. We invited him to spend a little time with us on Saturday 
afternoon and after a few hours, the "For Sale" sign was removed from his car 
and he's been enjoying it ever since.  Bob has owned this 81 since new, and 
when we first saw it in the "for sale" lot, it had less then 600 original 
miles on it. Needless to say, its a very nice car that has a lot of miles 
left in it for Bob to enjoy.  

    The motel info is:   Red Roof Inn, Evansville, Indiana - phone 
812-476-3600
It is located right off Interstate 164 and the Lloyd Expressway on the 
Southeast side of town.     
Mention the "MidState Delorean Club" to get a group rate of $39.99 per night.

     If anyone has any questions, just e-mail me.    Hope to see you there,  
Marty       
     



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:09:56 -0000
From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

Is 220 when the needle is right in the middle?  If I remember
correctly, this is where it is supposed to run.  The engine is
designed to run hot.  It is possible to set the fans to come on at a
lower temp, but then the fans will not last as long.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> There are three possibilities for high engine temperature:
> 
> 1. DEFECTIVE COOLING FAN TEMPERATURE SWITCH.
> 2. TRAPPED AIR IN THE COOLANT LINES.
> 3. LOW COOLANT LEVEL.
> 4. DEFECTIVE THERMOSTAT. 
> 
> "We're here to help you"
> 
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
>   
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: lovdmc12_at_dml_a... 
>   To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:01 AM
>   Subject: Re: Re: [DML] Delorean Overheating (almost)
> 
> 
>   I have a question about this overheating thread.  My DeLorean has
never 
>   overheated, but the fans don't come on until the temperature gauge
is almost 
>   to the 220 degrees mark.  It's never gone above that.
> 
>   Living in South Carolina, it gets very hot here in the summer. 
It's not 
>   unusual driving in stop and go town trafic with the A/C running
for the gauge 
>   to stay near the 220 mark.  Is this ok?  I've bled the system, but
that 
>   shouldn't be a problem since the fans are running because the A/C
is on.  
>   I've installed the fan fail bypass, so that's not a problem
either.  
> 
>   Brian
>   VIN 1597 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:58:41 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Weak fan circulation

Wayne,

Your problem may still be related to the AC mode switch. The first item to check is to insure that you have vacuum going to the mode switch. With the engine running and the fan speed at "1" (quite) rotate the mode switch through each position, you should be able to hear the various air deflection doors opening and closing as you change positions. If you don't hear any changes you are either not getting a vacuum feed to the mode switch or the switch may still be defective.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:02 PM
  Subject: [DML] Weak fan circulation


  When I got my D in February, the heater would only blow one way... no 
  defrost, etc.  All fan settings worked, but nearly all the air came from the 
  center of the dash. Ok, I rebuilt the mode switch, now I can redirect the air 
  as intended, but the flow is pretty feeble.  A.C. just ooozes lazily out.  
  Defrost doesn't work any better, really, than when it didn't blow on the 
  windows at all.  I usually ride around with the windows open, whether A.C. or 
  defroster is on or not.  (I've been spending my cash on preventative 
  maintenance/replacement of safety items and mechanicals, not creature 
  conforts.)  The fan sounds like it's blowing quite vigorously.  I looked/ 
  felt under the right dash and the hoses seem connected. No air gushing out.  
  But with the A.C. on, it felt a bit cool and breezy under the dash where you 
  cram your hand to reach the mode switch.  Ideas anyone?

  -Wayne
  "Living the dream" (and sometimes squinting to see)
  11174


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:29:35 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"

Here are the directions to Trevor Summers home. These directions were sent to me from another club member so I can't vouch for its accuracy.

Traveling from Florida take I-75 north to Atlanta as you approach downtown Atlanta take I-20 west and exit at Carrolton, I think that the exit to Carrolton is 24, but it may be 23 o4 25.   At any
rate, at exit 24 you take Rte 61 south.  Go approximately 12 miles to a
traffic light which marks the intersection of 166 bypass around Carrolton.
There is a Ford and a Nissan dealership at this intersection.

Turn left on 166 bypass and go 1.8 miles to the first traffic light which
marks the intersection of 16 east.  Turn Left or East.  There is a Police
station and Carroll Tech on either side of 16 just after you turn onto 16.

Go east 3.5 miles and turn Right on Laural Lane.  Before you get to Laurel
Lane, you will pass an EXXON station where Clem-Lowell road intersects.
Next, you pass Fang Chemical.  The next street is Laural Lane.

Turn Right on Laural Lane which is almost a U shaped road.  It crosses a
rail road track almost immediately.   Follow it nearly to the end where you
should find a Grey/Black house, the second house from the end of a
cul-de-sac.  His address is 365 Laural Lane.  phone 770-214-0025 if and when
you get lost.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walter 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [DML] "A DAY IN THE DOORS"


  I called Trevor Summers and got an answering machine.  I'm not sure he will
  be very motivated to return a long distance call.  Anyway, I'm in Tampa,
  Florida and am foolish enough to drive over there, but I would have to leave
  tomorrow afternoon.  Does this make any sense?  Of course not.  That makes
  it more fun.  For the past month I've been driving around with no door panel
  on my passenger door waiting for new door locks to arrive, so the car is all
  ready for the tech session.

  If you could e-mail me and give me explicit directions and what/when/where,
  I could just make it.

  Let me know VERY soon,

  Walt

  P.S. Hey Brian, want to come with me?


  -----Original Message-----
  From: DMC Joe <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
  Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:35 AM
  Subject: [DML] "A DAY IN THE DOORS"


  >TO ALL,
  >
  >The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club will hold a tech session and cook-out
  this Saturday in Carrolton Georgia. I will be there to reveal the mysteries
  of the inside of the DeLorean gullwing doors. The tech session starts at
  3pm. For directions and further details contact Trevor Summers at 770
  214-0025.
  >
  >"We're here to help you"
  >
  >DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
  >Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  >
  >
  >
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dee Moats <Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Wide Black Stripes (Old ones still good)

When I went to the dealer to pick up my new DeLorean, I had a choice of a
black one, a red one, or the third on the new car floor was a DeLorean
without the stripe.  There were two more being prepared in the back for
sale, one had the stripe and the other did not.  I don't leave home without
my stripe.  

Dee-Moats_at_dml_excite.com





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:41:12 GMT
From: "doctor who" <ohwrd_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: rusted screws ??

Coca-cola put some right on the rusted screws

ciao,
dr c.


From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] rusted screws ??
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:03:42 -0000

One of my headlights burned out, and the screws are completely
rusted, and I'm unable to get to the light to replace it.  Anyone
have any ideas or know how to get the screws out or how I can get the
headlight replaced ??

Thanks in advance,

James Teston #15314



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:42:20 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: "A DAY IN THE DOORS"

Yeah Jimmy,

Brian and I are going.  We're leaving from Tampa this evening -- probably
around 7 to 8PM in my Delorean.

If you can't go with us there, we can probably follow each other on the way
back.

Where in Florida are you anyway?  You can call me at 813 417-1346.

IBCNU,
Walt
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From: jimmuc_at_dml_aol.com <jimmuc_at_dml_aol.com>
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] "A DAY IN THE DOORS"


>Anyone from FL going? I'm in FL and thinking about going.
>-Jimmy
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:49:53 EDT
From: pantera74l_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Bricklin

Michael

Are you around?  Did you get your car back?



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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:58:27 EDT
From: petleech_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: low profile rims for Delorean

In a message dated 8/22/00 6:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net writes:

<< ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net >>
Would you be willing to sell the twin turbo you are pulling out?



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:03:01 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

Joel,

Yes, 220 is in the middle, you should see a legend next to the mark that reads "220".

The normal (operating) water temperature of the engine is 194 to 205 degrees F. 

If your normal operating temperature is at the 220 F mark you need to have your cooling system serviced ASAP.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: joelpash_at_dml_yahoo.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean Overheating (almost)


  Is 220 when the needle is right in the middle?  If I remember
  correctly, this is where it is supposed to run.  The engine is
  designed to run hot.  It is possible to set the fans to come on at a
  lower temp, but then the fans will not last as long.

  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
  > Brian,
  > 
  > There are three possibilities for high engine temperature:
  > 
  > 1. DEFECTIVE COOLING FAN TEMPERATURE SWITCH.
  > 2. TRAPPED AIR IN THE COOLANT LINES.
  > 3. LOW COOLANT LEVEL.
  > 4. DEFECTIVE THERMOSTAT. 
  > 
  > "We're here to help you"
  > 
  > DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>
  > Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  >   



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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:07:27 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

My cooling fans don't turn on untill a little bit below the 220 mark. 
While the motor appears to run fine _at_dml_ this temp, I don't know that 
it's the ideal range. I've found that when the temp gets up that 
high, the heat robs the engine of power. For good pickup and power, 
the car performs best in the 160-190 range. Plus for the coolant 
mixture that I use, 220 is only 15-20 degrees below the boiling 
point. When a cooling system failure occurs there is not a safe 
enough "buffer zone" to give me enough time to pull the car over to 
the side of the road before the radiator cap blows. (ie: if while in 
heavy traffic the cooling fans didn't turn on because of a blown 
fuse, I could pull over to cool the engine down while I replaced the 
fuse. And then continue down the road. But if the coolant boils over 
before I can pull over, I'm then stranded no matter what because I've 
dumped the majority of my water out.)
As for the the otterstat, the unit is sealed so you can't adjust it 
to have the fans kick on _at_dml_ different temps.

-Robert
vin 6585

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, joelpash_at_dml_y... wrote:
> Is 220 when the needle is right in the middle?  If I remember
> correctly, this is where it is supposed to run.  The engine is
> designed to run hot.  It is possible to set the fans to come on at a
> lower temp, but then the fans will not last as long.




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:16 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: rusted screws ??

If you have not been successful with an overnight soaking of Liquid Wrench you can drill the screws out or cut the heads off with a rotary toll cutting wheel. Maybe someone on the list has another suggestion.

In any event you can order new screws and frames to replace the damaged ones.  

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Teston 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:03 AM
  Subject: [DML] rusted screws ??


  One of my headlights burned out, and the screws are completely 
  rusted, and I'm unable to get to the light to replace it.  Anyone 
  have any ideas or know how to get the screws out or how I can get the 
  headlight replaced ??

  Thanks in advance,

  James Teston #15314





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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:54:29 -0400
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Delorean motor for sale

Any one interesteed I have a Turbo motor for sale
low miles . complete. was running when removed..
2800.00 or best offer
any one interest please email me privately
delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:31:37 -0500
From: "Michael R. Dixon" <investment_at_dml_sunnet.net>
Subject: Re: Weak fan circulation

You might have the same problem I had.  Fan blows wrong direction.  Just
check the fan on the passenger side under the dash.
----- Original Message -----
From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:02 PM
Subject: [DML] Weak fan circulation


> When I got my D in February, the heater would only blow one way... no
> defrost, etc.  All fan settings worked, but nearly all the air came from
the
> center of the dash. Ok, I rebuilt the mode switch, now I can redirect the
air
> as intended, but the flow is pretty feeble.  A.C. just ooozes lazily out.
> Defrost doesn't work any better, really, than when it didn't blow on the
> windows at all.  I usually ride around with the windows open, whether A.C.
or
> defroster is on or not.  (I've been spending my cash on preventative
> maintenance/replacement of safety items and mechanicals, not creature
> conforts.)  The fan sounds like it's blowing quite vigorously.  I looked/
> felt under the right dash and the hoses seem connected. No air gushing
out.
> But with the A.C. on, it felt a bit cool and breezy under the dash where
you
> cram your hand to reach the mode switch.  Ideas anyone?
>
> -Wayne
> "Living the dream" (and sometimes squinting to see)
> 11174
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:47:51 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: Re: delorean pricing, first time driver

Yes, if its for a daily driver your going to get small dents and other minor
problems. Plus these minor problems don't hurt the car mechanically so you
can get the car cheaper yet still have a good engine and be fine for a daily
driver.


----- Original Message -----
From: <danh_at_dml_nwlink.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:39 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: delorean pricing, first time driver


> When I was shopping for my D last spring I did a lot of thinking and
> research on the cost vs. condition question.  I found a few Ds in
> great shape for 17-20k, but I opted to buy a D that wasn't in perfect
> condition for $11k (cracked windshield, some minor scratches and
> dents).  My reasoning was this, when buying a used car you NEVER know
> for sure what's wrong with it; so paying a premium for a "perfect"
> car is kinda silly since you don't know for sure if it's "perfect."
>
> Also, if you plan on driving the car a lot, it's likely that you'll
> collect a few scratches, or dents yourself; if you paid $20k for a
> perfect car these day to day problems will likely give you an ulcer.
> Only pay a premium for a D if you're a collector.
>
> -M
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> > Mark Noeltner wrote:
> >
> > > Other people on the list have mentioned the $20,000 rule. You can
> either
> > > buy a good D for $20,000, or you can spend $10,000 for one, plus
> another
> > > $10,000 to get it into shape (substitute any two numbers adding
> up to 20,000).
> >
> > While I mostly agree with this, I want to point out is that it is
> possible to find
> > a reliable DeLorean in the $12,000-$15,000 price range that has
> only cosmetic
> > faults.  You can drive a car with dented stainless, sagging
> headliners, cracked
> > leather, a faded dashboard, or ripped carpeting.  Unfortunately,
> when you find a
> > car with these cosmetic faults it is very likely to have some
> hidden mechanical
> > problems.  Either way, you can put off cosmetic repairs as long as
> you can stand
> > to look at the faults.
> >
> > If anyone is considering a DeLorean as a daily driver, also
> remember the $1,600
> > rule: budget at least $1,600 in parts and labor every year to keep
> your daily
> > driver running.  If you spend less than that this year, plan to
> spend more next
> > year.  Sometimes a lot more.  If you plan to do restoration work
> while driving the
> > DeLorean daily (restoring at a leisurely pace), you should probably
> double that
> > figure.
> >
> > > I strongly recommend having a 2nd reliable car to drive, [SNIP]
> > > since they are almost 20 years old, they are going to need a lot
> of work to
> > > get them there just like any other car that old.
> >
> > Absolutely.  If you plan on driving *any* 10+ year old car every
> day, you had
> > better assume some unscheduled down time for repairs.  If you have
> another car for
> > winter driving, you can improve this by doing some maintenance and
> repairs during
> > the winter.
> >
> > - Mike Substelny
> > VIN 01280, 7 years
>
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:52:28 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: DMC2 Watch

Hows his health?

----- Original Message -----
From: "JDL" <jdl_at_dml_interax.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] DMC2 Watch


> Had lunch with John DeLorean today.  To confirm, he is still trying to
come
> out with another car, but his interests are quite diversified and he is
> getting involved with a number of ventures.  Still, as those of you who
met
> him here in Cleveland in June, he is still a dynamic fellow at 75 and with
> the bankruptcy off his back...who knows what kind of ventures he might be
> involved in and will make a valuable contribution to.
>
> David Levey
> #6377 Cleveland
>
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:01:29 -0700
From: "Don Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: low profile rims for Delorean

With regards to selling the twin turbo:  I am not really sure what I have.
I bought the car sight unseen based of the sellers representations that all
was well.  Upon backing it off the transporter it was clear that that was
not exactly the case.  I drove it directly to my favorite repair shop with
the intent to diagnose and repair as required.  The engine ran OK and
because of a significant driveline "clunk" I did not get on the power much.
Initial diagnosis was a chipped tooth on the ring gear (probably having
something to do with the two nitrous tanks in the front trunk that were the
size of scuba tanks).  Also the spools were frozen on the turbos.  While the
engine is complete, it clearly has been stressed and I would not want to
warranty it.  If you are in the San Jose, Calif. area I would be willing to
show it to you.  It has been "palletized" for the last four years.  Don


----- Original Message -----
From: <petleech_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] low profile rims for Delorean


> In a message dated 8/22/00 6:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net writes:
>
> << ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net >>
> Would you be willing to sell the twin turbo you are pulling out?
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:08:38 -0600
From: dickross_at_dml_indra.com
Subject: Door straps

I have like new black pull down door straps that I would like to trade
for similar condition gray straps, as I have gray interior.  Anyone
interested contact me directly at my email dickross_at_dml_indra.com.
Dick Ross
3000
-- 
"It takes a solitary man to really appreciate friends."



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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:53:25 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean Overheating (almost)

A proper mixture of coolant is a 50/50 mix of clean low mineral water 
with ethelyne glycol (permanent type anti-freeze). It should also 
contain corrosion inhibiters and water pump lubricant. Dupont or any 
name brand should be adequate. Be sure it says compatible with 
aluminum, most all of the top brands do. If you have this 
concentration in the system and you can hold 15 psi the boiling point 
is 256 degrees F. The problem is if you lose pressure containment at
a 
temperature above 212 degrees you will get an immediate flash boil 
over. This is why it is so important to have a good tight system with 
hoses you can trust, If ANY hose anywhere in the system fails 
including the heater hoses, radiator cap etc  you will immediatly
lose 
all coolant and all cooling capacity in the system. There will be no 
"buffer" or margin of safety in the event of a loss of pressure 
containment. You will immediatly overheat. The first sign may not
even 
be a rise on the temp gauge, it won't respond fast enough. Typically 
most drivers will first notice that the engine doesn'trespond to the 
gas pedal. There may be some unfamiliar odors and then it may occur
to 
look at the temp gauge. By then it is way past too late and all you 
can do is shut the engine down and coast to the side of the road.

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> My cooling fans don't turn on untill a little bit below the 220 
mark. 
> While the motor appears to run fine _at_dml_ this temp, I don't know that 
> it's the ideal range. I've found that when the temp gets up that 
> high, the heat robs the engine of power. For good pickup and power, 
> the car performs best in the 160-190 range. Plus for the coolant 
> mixture that I use, 220 is only 15-20 degrees below the boiling 
> point. When a cooling system failure occurs there is not a safe 
> enough "buffer zone" to give me enough time to pull the car over to 
> the side of the road before the radiator cap blows. (ie: if while
in 
> heavy traffic the cooling fans didn't turn on because of a blown 
> fuse, I could pull over to cool the engine down while I replaced
the 
> fuse. And then continue down the road. But if the coolant boils
over 
> before I can pull over, I'm then stranded no matter what because 
I've 
> dumped the majority of my water out.)
> As for the the otterstat, the unit is sealed so you can't adjust it 
> to have the fans kick on _at_dml_ different temps.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, joelpash_at_dml_y... wrote:
> > Is 220 when the needle is right in the middle?  If I remember
> > correctly, this is where it is supposed to run.  The engine is
> > designed to run hot.  It is possible to set the fans to come on
at 
a
> > lower temp, but then the fans will not last as long.




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