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There are 23 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DMC Wanted
From: pantera74l_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: lower control arm problems
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>

3. Re: cold engine acceleration problems
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

4. RE: DMC Wanted
From: "Daniel McGauley" <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>

5. Re: cold engine acceleration problems
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Re: comparison
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>

7. cold engine acceleration problems revisited
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Delorean Springs
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Re: comparison
From: "wayne selden" <w.selden_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. Re: cold engine acceleration problems
From: dmc12_at_dml_delorean.com

11. DOT and EPA standards
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Door Head liners
From: "And Withers" <and.withers_at_dml_virgin.net>

13. Re: Re: Turbocharging a DeLorean
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Volvo Gullwing?
From: RHS Linux User <dmc_at_dml_tgoff2.gsfc.nasa.gov>

15. Re: problems with vandalsim, etc.
From: captainscg_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: Door Head liners
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

17. RE: problems with vandalsim, etc.
From: brownalizat_at_dml_exchange.uams.edu

18. Re: Re: comparison
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: problems with vandalsim, etc.
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

20. Re: DOT and EPA standards
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

21. Re: problems with vandalsim, etc.
From: comet6974_at_dml_juno.com

22. Re: Re: Turbocharging a DeLorean
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: cold engine acceleration problems revisited
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:27:02 EDT
From: pantera74l_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DMC Wanted

Where is Walkerville? I live in DC.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:27:53 -0400
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: lower control arm problems

tring to locate john_jordan_at_dml_ed.gov reguarding his delorean.. please contact
me privately....
delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com
thanks





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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:31:04 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: Re: cold engine acceleration problems

Your other questions have been adequately answered, but the #100816 cooling
fan switch should not cost anywhere near $43 (I hope that was a typo, Joe).
I have them for $19.95, and the #102125 thermotime switch for the same
price. And there are interchanges for the fan switch, such as NAPA #FS231.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:47:01 -0500
From: "Daniel McGauley" <hawkeye_at_dml_creativeworlds.com>
Subject: RE: DMC Wanted

Hi Bruce,

I'm still selling my '81, automatic, black interior with gas flap.  I
believe we talked previously.  If you are still interested, I'm looking for
a buyer by next Tuesday or Wednesday as I am moving across country.  Let me
know if you are interested.  It was overhauled by Steve Wynne and is in
great shape.

-Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com [mailto:bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:15 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] DMC Wanted
>
>
> Hi all,
> I posted to the list a month ago looking for a D for sale.
> Well, I'm renewing my request.
>
> I am looking for an early '81, automatic, black interior, and
> gas flap.  I have been looking for what to me seems like forever,
> so I think I may be willing to compromise on every feature listed
> above except the automatic transmission.
>
> I am located in Walkersville, MD.
>
> If anyone has a car for sale that may fit the bill, or knows
> of a car for sale, please give me an email.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bruce Duncan
> bduncan_at_dml_visualmining.com
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:42:21 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: cold engine acceleration problems

DMC Joe & Robert --

I'm going to read up on the acceleration enrichment circuit as soon as I get
a chance.

My engine accelerates fine after it has warmed up.  Well, that is fine for a
Delorean which is about up to par with my '84 Olds Delta 88.  I think in a
race with my Olds, it would be a close match, but the Olds would probably
win.

When my ignition is on, but the engine isn't running, I think I hear the
frequency valve buzzing.  I suppose that's what that noise is.  With the
sound of the engine running, this is drowned out.  My car has about 11.5K
miles on it, so I don't think it is due LAMBDA problems yet, but with it's
age, I don't know.

My mechanic said he connected a fuel pressure gauge and showed that the
control pressure regulator was out of range.  I think he said I had 5 bar
pressure when it shouldn't be higher than 3.8 bar.

I agree with Joe about my engine not flooding.  The cold start valve (unless
the valve itself is stuck) cannot stay on because of a stuck thermo-time
switch.  The thermo-time switch allows the cold start valve to activate, but
it can only activate WHILE the starter is running.  Once the engine is
started, the cold start circuit does nothing.  So even though I have a bad
thermo-time switch, this is not why my engine does not accelerate when cold.

To correct what Robert said, activation of the cold start circuit is
controlled by the thermo-time switch AND the start position.  Both have to
agree (like a logic circuit) in order for the cold start valve to be
activated.  If the key on the steering column is not turned far enough to
activate the starter, then the cold start circuit should not activate.

When I said that it sounds like my cooling fan switch is out of range, I was
referring to a previous post where I said that my temperature gauge reads
just above 220 degrees before the fans come on.  If this were true, then
this is too hot, and the switch should be replaced.  However, I'm dyslexic
enough that someone could secretly switch out my Delorean for a right hand
drive model, and I wouldn't know the difference.  Well, I'm not quite that
bad, but I had a very hard time learning to read as a child.  Anyway, I
cannot keep my left and right straight OR my up and down straight either
(when looking at maps & diagrams & such).  So when I was remembering what
temperature my cooling fan switch activates at, the needle was pointing just
UNDER the 220 mark, not above it.  (Sorry!)  Never ask me for directions on
how to find someplace.  I can't tell my right from left, and analog clocks
are useless to me!

In light of this, I assume my cooling fan switch is okay.  Is it?  I had
taken it out long ago to diagnose a cooling fan problem.  When I put it back
in, I smeared some non-hardening Permatex on the gasket thinking this would
help it seal.  Well, it obviously didn't.  Maybe this made the seal worse?
I suppose that a thin hose clamp from Home Depot would do the trick.  It
could hold it in there tighter than the OEM spring wire.  I will probably
put a piece of heat shrink tubing around the new clamp to make sure neither
electrode gets shorted to anything.  I call this a "bad-engineering fiasco"
because I can think of better ways to measure coolant temperature other than
sticking a hollow rubber cork in a hole and holding it on with a spring
clip.  To me this looks like it was made to leak -- and leak it does, but
that may be my own fault due to the Permatex.  Does a new switch come with a
new seal?  Or can a seal be bought separately?  Or since I've gone to the
trouble to get the thing apart, should I replace the whole thing anyway?  At
close to $50 for a new switch, I think I might goop it up with more Permatex
and put a better clamp on it.  That is unless y'all think the thing is
switching on at too high a temperature.  What do y'all think?

I already got a self-bleeding kit from DMC Joe when I saw him at 'A Day in
the Doors'.  It's just a matter of putting it on.

This car is going to turn me into a mechanic yet!  :)

Walt    Tampa, FL
Delorean mechanic apprentice





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:13:54 +0200 (DST)
From: "Sacha Prins" <sprins_at_dml_businessnet.net>
Subject: Re: Re: comparison

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:40:33 EDT, fjk143_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> You should talk to Steve Wynne at DMC in Houston as he has hot-rodded the 
> engine to 197 hp without undue stresses and reliability concerns...just good 
> old hot rodding techniques.  

Without asking for a complete manual to 'hot-rod' an engine, what are
those techniques?

This sentence triggered my curiosity since 200 hp is approx what you
get when turbocharging I believe.

Sacha






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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 05:47:02 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: cold engine acceleration problems revisited

Okay, I've read up on the 'acceleration enrichment circuit', and it makes
sense that my problem could be in this circuit.  But it will probably be
several days before I can really get into it.  I suppose that in order to
trouble-shoot this circuit that I am going to need to get a T-adapter for my
vacuum gauge.  It looks like my problem could be:

1) a bad thermal vacuum control valve
2) a bad delay valve
or
3) a bad control pressure regulator (again).
or
4) a clogged or leaking vacuum hose in this system.

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  In the mean time, do y'all have any
suggestions?

Believe it or not, I actually had a clog in a vacuum hose on a GM car.  I
couldn't believe it.  I had to cut the hose open to see what it was.  What I
found looked like the end of a plastic golf ball 'T' that may have broken
off inside while someone plugged the end of the hose to do a diagnostic.

Later,
Walt    Tampa, FL
Delorean mechanic apprentice






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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:42:38 EDT
From: jus4sho_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Delorean Springs

I know that several Delorean shops are selling lowering spring sets.  Does anyone know if these springs are the same or a higher rate (stiffer) than the originals?  I know they're shorter (hence "lowering springs") I'm more concerned with what spring rate produces the best ride/performance.

Thanks,
Steve 
VIN 2650 "PROJECT DELOREAN"
www.angelfire.com/md2/projectdelorean




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:38:44 -0700
From: "wayne selden" <w.selden_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: comparison

( How about sending these type of messages as private emails as they only concern two people..... Moderator ) 


Robert , I have vehicle 6549. What part of the country do you live?
Wayne Selden
w.selden_at_dml_att.net




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:04:13 -0000
From: dmc12_at_dml_delorean.com
Subject: Re: cold engine acceleration problems

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Walt,
> 
> Your problem is more that likely related to a problem in the  
acceleration enrichment circuit. This is a very common problem in the 
CIS fuel injection system.


If there is a problem in the Acceleration enrichment circut , how
can I find out which part is the problem? I also replaced the CPR
unit last month, run well for 3 weeks but now the problem come back  
again--- hesitste when it's cold.
Sometime it accelerate and idle fine at the first minute , but after 
that it'll start to idleing rough and hesitste. (drop to around 
500rpm and then rev up to1000 ).If the CPR unit is bad, why the 
engine can accelerate fine at first one to two minutes?

Thanks.

Simon 




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DOT and EPA standards

Hi list.. i had been reasearching the idea of free
flow exhaust etc for my car.. i was under the
impression that a car hit "antique" status at 20 years
and these mods could be performed..butt...

I talked to a DOT representative yesterday that is
pretty high up there in the food chain, he too is a
exotic car collector (ferrari) and made it very clear
to me that it takes 25 years to be exempt from DOT and
EPA standards. So im wondering where everyone is
getting the 20 year rule?

cliff
10854

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:21:00 +0100
From: "And Withers" <and.withers_at_dml_virgin.net>
Subject: Door Head liners

Can anyone tell me where you can get the cardboard backing for the door head
liners, I am sure I have seen somewhere on the net someone re-making these.

Andy Withers. Vin#12175 (RHD)



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:51:10 GMT
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Turbocharging a DeLorean

Ok, Im guessing you never drove a turbochaged car before, you don't know 
what your missing... I drive a saab turbo (w/only a single turbo) and its a 
blast, the extra low end tourqe, and the 40+ (i think its 40..) horse power 
you get from it, it is wild. You get the horse power of a 8-valve with a 
turbochaged 6-valved engine. You have to drive one to realy appeceate it. 
John Giedosh aka Fronzel Neekburm

>From: dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Turbocharging a DeLorean
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:21:36 EDT
>
>Would it be stupid to Turbo charge an automatic PRV? I'd love to hear
>everyone's opinion on this.
>
>-Chris
>VIN 11388
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: RHS Linux User <dmc_at_dml_tgoff2.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Volvo Gullwing?

Surf over to this web site: http://www.automedia-online.com/e_spion.htm
and scroll down to the -  Volvo - Supersport entry. This puts new meaning
into the V associated with the PVR engine.   Is this for real?

Tom Goff,   Highland, Maryland
1981 DMC-12, gray, 5-speed, vin 7139
along with six (6) Volvos




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:13:03 EDT
From: captainscg_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: problems with vandalsim, etc.

I'm looking forward to purchasing a Delorean in the very near future as a 
daily driver.  I was wondering if anyone has had any negative experiences 
involving vandalsim, etc. While I do not live in a high crime area, I do live 
in the city.  Surely, if you live in a major metropolitan area and visit the 
local mall, ffor example, your Delorean is going to stick out like a sore 
thumb.  Considering that there are some real jerks (being polite) in this 
world, I can foresee someone messing with the car just for the heck of it.  
So, again, is this a problem?  Am I being paranoid? Anybody have their 
Delorean broken into while parked in "public"?  Anyone have there Delorean 
stolen?  I guess, at the very least, I can expect finger and hand prints all 
over.  Thanks in advance for your feedback and comments.  
Mark
in New Orleans



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:54:20 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Door Head liners

Andy,

We have remanufactured headliners made of fiberglass, contact us directly for details. We also have used factory type fiber board cores.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: And Withers 
  To: Dmcnews 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:21 PM
  Subject: [DML] Door Head liners


  Can anyone tell me where you can get the cardboard backing for the door head
  liners, I am sure I have seen somewhere on the net someone re-making these.

  Andy Withers. Vin#12175 (RHD)






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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:49:09 -0500
From: brownalizat_at_dml_exchange.uams.edu
Subject: RE: problems with vandalsim, etc.

hmmmm, my husband and I went to a nice restaurant and while we were inside,
someone keyed the hood of our Delorean, but that can be buffed out using the
3M scotch brite pad.  haven't had any vandalism problems beyond that,
yet.......

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	captainscg_at_dml_aol.com [SMTP:captainscg_at_dml_aol.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:13 PM
> To:	dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DML] problems with vandalsim, etc.
> 
> I'm looking forward to purchasing a Delorean in the very near future as a 
> daily driver.  I was wondering if anyone has had any negative experiences 
> involving vandalsim, etc. While I do not live in a high crime area, I do
> live 
> in the city.  Surely, if you live in a major metropolitan area and visit
> the 
> local mall, ffor example, your Delorean is going to stick out like a sore 
> thumb.  Considering that there are some real jerks (being polite) in this 
> world, I can foresee someone messing with the car just for the heck of it.
> 
> So, again, is this a problem?  Am I being paranoid? Anybody have their 
> Delorean broken into while parked in "public"?  Anyone have there Delorean
> 
> stolen?  I guess, at the very least, I can expect finger and hand prints
> all 
> over.  Thanks in advance for your feedback and comments.  
> Mark
> in New Orleans
> 
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:53:31 EDT
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: comparison

"Hot Rodding" - very simply, improving inlet and exhaust flows with headers, 
port polishing, camshaft/valve overlap modifications, bore and stroke 
modifications and compression modifications.  Steve has completed an 
extensive program in the UK to get 70 more hp out of a fairly weak engine 
without turning it into a time bomb.  



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:05:28 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: problems with vandalsim, etc.



The results of My Delorean "theft survey" while late, will be posted 
tomorrow!  Look for answers to your questions.   The short answer is 
that most people haven't had any problems, although I worry about it 
all the time when I park my D at the mall and other similar places.

-Hank




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:40:55 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DOT and EPA standards

The 20 year mark is used by some state dmv's to allow you to get 
antique plates. It is also used by some insurance companies to
qualify 
 for antique insurance. It is also an informal point of demarcation 
for many car shows.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hi list.. i had been reasearching the idea of free
> flow exhaust etc for my car.. i was under the
> impression that a car hit "antique" status at 20 years
> and these mods could be performed..butt...
> 
> I talked to a DOT representative yesterday that is
> pretty high up there in the food chain, he too is a
> exotic car collector (ferrari) and made it very clear
> to me that it takes 25 years to be exempt from DOT and
> EPA standards. So im wondering where everyone is
> getting the 20 year rule?
> 
> cliff
> 10854
> 
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:45:03 -0700
From: comet6974_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Re: problems with vandalsim, etc.

I have a friend who took their car to a party one night, and they parked
far away in a lot partially hidden and still someone decided to trhow
rocks at it. It ended up leaving two fairly good sized dents, one on the
hood and the other between the windshield nad drivers side window (that
small strip of metal between the two). 
	As for my own experience, I took the car to Prom and left the car in a
parking structure. When we left the Prom, someone decided to stick their
gum on the drivers door roof. Of course the joke was on them as I had
polished the car with the SS polish, so the gum was easily 'flicked' off
the car. Still, somepeople have no respect for other peoples property. 
	Other than the above mentioned, I have never had a problem, not even
finger prints (I usually end up parking in the sun :)

Trevor Johnson
#6974 and 4055 
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:39:32 EDT
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Turbocharging a DeLorean

Turocharging is a viable method of boosting power IF the engine is designed 
to take it.  I drive a Porsche 911 turbo daily and that engine will run 
forever as extensive mods were made at the factory to support the turbo 
stresses...the same with the turbo Saab...it was engineered to be 
pressurized.  Once again, the poor little PVR was not.  To slap a turbo on is 
high risk in my book.   If you need to go faster than a normally aspirated 
DMC will take you I suggest getting a used Corvette as they are alot faster 
and more reliable than any turbocharged or supercharged DMC would be and they 
are cheap too.

Fred
6894



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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:54:15 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: cold engine acceleration problems revisited

Walter,

Your headed in the wrong direction, the first items to check are the components directly associated with the acceleration enrichment; i.e.: frequency valve, lambda relay and socket, connecting points between these components.

"We're here to help you"

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Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Walter 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:47 AM
  Subject: [DML] cold engine acceleration problems revisited


  Okay, I've read up on the 'acceleration enrichment circuit', and it makes
  sense that my problem could be in this circuit.  But it will probably be
  several days before I can really get into it.  I suppose that in order to
  trouble-shoot this circuit that I am going to need to get a T-adapter for my
  vacuum gauge.  It looks like my problem could be:

  1) a bad thermal vacuum control valve
  2) a bad delay valve
  or
  3) a bad control pressure regulator (again).
  or
  4) a clogged or leaking vacuum hose in this system.

  I'll keep you posted on my progress.  In the mean time, do y'all have any
  suggestions?

  Believe it or not, I actually had a clog in a vacuum hose on a GM car.  I
  couldn't believe it.  I had to cut the hose open to see what it was.  What I
  found looked like the end of a plastic golf ball 'T' that may have broken
  off inside while someone plugged the end of the hose to do a diagnostic.

  Later,
  Walt    Tampa, FL
  Delorean mechanic apprentice





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