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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Aftermarket Stereo/Alternator
From: John Yeoman <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Comparison
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

3. Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

4. DeLorean in PA?
From: "Matt Spittle" <mds328_at_dml_psu.edu>

5. Re: Re: comparison
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: HELP!!
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Comparison
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: comparison-Final post
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

9. Police Officers?
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:24:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Yeoman <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Aftermarket Stereo/Alternator

Moderator's note:
This is a subject that, probably more than any other, dominates the archives. let's not forget to use them for some of these answers.


Hey List, If I were to put an aftermarket am/fm radio
with tape and cd player in my DeLorean, would I need a
more powerful alternator?  I have the Motorola 90 amp.
 If I would need a bigger one, what would you suggest,
a 105 amp, or a 140 amp?  Thanks in advance.

John Yeoman

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:42:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Comparison

"It's not that bad!  It's not that bad!"
There seems to be a looming bitterness between the people wanting
PERFORMANCE vs the people wanting a fine lookin cruiser.

Everyone out there saying "it's not that bad!!!" about the
acceleration/power is in denial!  The Delorean is SLOOOOOOWWWWW.
it was always SLOOOOWWWWWW.  Some people, however, like it that way... The
same people that keep KIA and GEO in business, who don't care that it takes
60 seconds to get to 60 MPH; and have a notebook in their cars marking down
gas prices, mileage, and gallons added- "Ooh, we got 32.6 MPG on this tank,
honey!!!"..

The rest of us who like sailing the back end out flying around corners on
wet pavement ("Manner of turning", or so the police say...), pullin wheelies
off the line and snickering blowing away those weeble-looking enonoboxes
think the power is horrible!

There are so many people hiding their cars in their garages keeping them in
controlled pristine environments.  For this reason, there is NO WAY that my
moderate-shaped Delorean will ever be worth any sort of collector status...
SO! I intend to supermodify, hacksaw, file, rip, tear, bend, spindle, and
mutilate my car into whatever comes into my little brain, and people on the
street are still going to look at it drive by, and won't have to go to a
museum to ever see a delorean.  I'm going to make it fun for ME to drive,
not you "mature owners" who drive 25 in a 50 MPH zone whom I yell at.

DSV- Safety vehicle?  It was SAFE becuase you can't go fast enough to get
into trouble!  hahaha

Jim
Lic: PLATE
1537 Super-wide black stripe- from the rocker to the T-panel!






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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:44:00 EDT
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust

Since this is a part which suffers frequently to the elements, I am surprised 
someone hasnt remanufactured them.  Perhaps out of stainless then painted 
black?  I know you can no longer buy them and have to try to find a used one, 
if you need one as I did when one of mine broke.  Its really a simple part 
which should be easy to reproduce.  I would think there would be a increasing 
demand in the future for them as well.

Gary Gore
Activities Director 
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360

<< On both of My DMC's and nearly every other DMC I have seen that lives in a
 rust-prone environment (like up here in Oregon), I have seen rusting engine
 cover hinges.  Since the problem areas on the hinge are the inner hinge
 portiotion where the surfaces slide across each other, it does not appear
 that repainting or powercoating the engine cover hinges would really provide
 a permanent solution to avoid thie unsightly rust. Does anyone have a
 real/permanent solution to the slight rust typical on the engine cover
 hinges?
 
        Knut >>



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:03:05 -0400
From: "Matt Spittle" <mds328_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: DeLorean in PA?

Are there any DeLorean owners in the central Pennsylvania region that would
be willing to show their car off to an 18-year-old college student who has
never seen one in real life?  I would just like to look at the car in person
and maybe take a few photographs, as it will be about 4 years until I can
afford one.
Thanks,

Matt
mds328_at_dml_psu.edu




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:27:54 EDT
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: comparison

Group,

According to a DeLorean expert (certainly not me)...Ed, the owner of DeLorean 
One...he claims that there are maybe 300 (maximum) really good quality, 
original DMC-12's in existence.   He says there are alot of poorly repaired,  
poorly maintained,  "unmolested"  but also unreliable and undesirable cars 
out there.   As far as rarity goes, please realize that Ferrari built over 
12,000 308's and 8,200 Testarossa's.  So seeing a really nice D is actually 
more difficult than seeing one of the above F's...and their current resale 
prices reflect the large population of the cars out there - 308's can sell 
for low 20's for an average one and early Testarossa's sell for low 50's all 
day long.    Engine rebuilds - figure the cost of the car for the 308 and 
35,000 for the Testarossa.

I've driven every modern Ferrari made and have owned most and the 308 was an 
embarrassment to Maranello performance-wise.

Bottom line is all cars have pluses and minuses...and everyone has different 
tastes...luckily there are enough choices to make us all happy.

Fred
6894



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:28:36 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: HELP!!

Richard,
Check the back issues to find your answer or call one of the parts suppliers. 
It is possible to open the hood without the cable, may take some time, but 
from someone who has done it, after getting it open you will want to look at 
old issue of Delorean World (Vol.1 Aug. 1983). There is a back up way to keep 
this from ever happening again. I do agree with Ken and Dave that we as 
owners do not want to tell people how to break into our D's. But I understand 
how the blood pressure can rise when this has happened.
To those who want to upgrade the power of the Delorean. Go for it, but 
remember the old adage "The slower you go the longer it lasts!!!" Personally 
I enjoy the power of the Delorean "stock". 
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:44:36 EDT
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Comparison

Remember that us old guys (45 here) who bought their DMC's new can now afford 
(assuming our brains are not tiny) to buy seriously fast, good handling, 
incredible braking and balanced cars that would eat any modified DeLorean and 
just own the D for what it is - a curiosity of the automotive world that came 
to market undeveloped and left precisely the same way.    Those of us that 
bought the cars new in 81, 82 or 83 could've bought very well developed and 
fast as hell (for the time) Porsche 911's and have a lot of money left over.  
We bought them because they were unusual and admired the guy who had the guts 
to do it himself.  If John Z. could have brought the car to market five years 
sooner, had time to develop a better car and price appropriately, the demise 
of the DeLorean may never have occured and "tiny brained" people wouldn't 
have the desire to bend, spindle and mutilate as no one does so to 911's.   
Every serious collection and museum has one in their inventory due to the 
history and uniqueness - not the performance.  

Fred 
6894



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:46:54 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: comparison-Final post

For the postings that have occurred durring the past few days, I am 
very pleased to have different view-points presented. And would like 
to take the time now to conclude this thread, or hopefully the 
original topic of it. In saying this I understand every one who has 
responded, and agree with them on their key points (well, almost 
everyone). So here go's...

To Fred #6894:
I am very happy that there is someone else out there who not only 
agrees with me, but also understands where I'm coming from. In it's 
untouched state, there is nothing wrong with the power of the DMC-12. 
It perfroms quite nicely for everyday useage.

To Gabe W. and Trevor Johnson #6974 & 4055
I agree with both of you as well. The DeLorean in it's orignal state 
is not on the same level as the average sports car. It does't have 
the 0-60 times as other sports cars, and doesn't have the best 
turning radius. So yes it there is room for some improvements.

In either of these 2 situations, the owners here all appear to be 
very pleased with thier cars in one way or another wheather it's 
performance, looks, or otherwise. And being happy with your car is 
what counts no matter what type you own! Personal feelings aside, if 
swapping out the PRV for a Chevy is what makes you happy with your 
car, then go ahead and do it. I personally perfer to keep my engine 
original, and would rather take the route of improving the existing 
powerplant rather then a "hasty" swap. Or just leaving it untouched 
is perfectly fine too! However keeping your car original to the point 
where it hinders performance (i.e. keeping a stock radiator, a Ducy 
alternator, the flimsy pick-up hose in the fuel tank, etc... just for 
the sake of keeping the car original) can also be just as counter 
productive for the car. But who am I to tell anyone what to do with 
thier car?

Which brings me to the one person whom I disagree with:

Jim Strickland

I SERIOUSLY doubt that this is a posting from someone who is an 
authentic DeLorean owner.
1. This person's comments appear to simply be here to start an 
argument between us all. No matter what is said, this person has 
figured out a way to insult people. Re: modifications, performance, & 
drivers as  individuals.
2. This post appears to be from a fradulent source

Name: Jim Strickland
James Tolkan played Mr. Strickland in the BTTF series, put the names 
together, viola!

Username: ihavenoaccount_at_dml_j...
Phony with an uncreative flair.

Lic: PLATE
Need I say more?

VIN# 1537
Does no one else see a pattern to this number sequence?

Although this last part is mainly for the moderators, I'll understand 
if it is edited out. Just wanted to help keep the peace between 
everyone.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:56:19 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Police Officers?

If there are any Police Officers on the list I like to hear from you. 
Don't worry though, I don't have any legal questions about speeding 
tickets or anything like that.

-Robert
vin 6585




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