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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean Tires
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

2. DeLorean mentioned in Mad TV
From: Jim Reeve <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

3. Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Re: V-8 Lotus radiator fit a Delorean?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: Thermo-time Switch Question
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

6. RE: HELP!!
From: "John P. Chandler II" <chandler_at_dml_win.bright.net>

7. Re: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

9. Re: Aftermarket Stereo/Alternator
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

10. Re: Thermostat
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

11. Re: Idle problems with A/C on
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

12. dmc2 watch a good investment?
From: "TK" <TKNBA_at_dml_prodigy.net>

13. drove for the first time!
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

14. Cruise Control
From: "Richard Petrie" <juffo7_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. Fuel Filter Woes!!
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. RE: Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept 23rd-24th
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

17. exhaust manifold
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:04:26 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Tires

Yokohama AVS Intermediates are the way to go! The tires have a V 
rating, and are matched for the front and back which means better 
control. Never heard of "Spirit Aqua Flow GTX" tires, but I can 
gurantee you that the Yoko's will get ALL of the water out from under 
you! I've driven the Yokohama's in both drizzles and light rain all 
the way up to moderate flooding. In both cases they have performed 
excellently! When driving on a wet surface, you'd swear that it was 
still dry underneath. Haven't heard very good things about the Eagle 
GT's. From what I've been told they perform alright when dry, but 
slide a bit when wet. Never driven on a good set of NCT's (mine were 
rotten). Goodyear no longer makes the NCT's as you've probably heard 
already, but I've been told that the Yoko's give a much better ride 
anyhow.

-Robert
vin 6585


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, dmcdelorean2_at_dml_a... wrote:
> 
> moderators note: the archives are full of tire refrences. 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
>     I just wanted to know what kind of tires ride nice and don't 
wear out 
> with DeLoreans. Were the original NCTs any good? Also, I have 
some "Grand 
> Spirit Aqua Flow GTX" tires on mine, I was thinking of getting some 
Eagle GTs 
> on them. The only problem is that they don't have them in the size 
I need 
> with RWL tires.
> 
> -Chris
> Vin 11388
> Rahway, NJ




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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:20:29 -0500
From: Jim Reeve <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: DeLorean mentioned in Mad TV

I dont know if anyone was watching MAD TV tonight, but the first skit in
the episode had something that caught my attention fast.  They were
doing a "replay" of a 1983 dating show.  Well the "looser" date on the
show was said to own a DeLorean dealership.  There was also a quick
cocaine joke in there too.  But for people who don't know the history of
the car well, it wasn't really too insulting.  Nothing directly against
it.  Just thought I would share this with everyone.
-- 
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
'81 DeLorean-#6960
http://www.dmcultra.com
AIM-Ultra2169



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:43:01 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust

If you have a problem with the engine cover hinges there are three 
things that you can do:
(1) don't park the car outside where they could get wet
(2) remove and repaint the hinges when they rust
(3) call rob grady and get powder-coated hinges (they look real nice)

David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, delorean31_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have seen the German site offering the Stainless Steel louvers as 
mentioned 
> here recently.  Obviously the louvers rusting is not a problem
since 
they are 
> not metal.  Of course they suffer from their own faults, or more 
common the 
> lack of gentleness some use when lowering them down, which causes 
them to 
> crack or break.  However I still know of no one who has reproduced 
the engine 
> cover hinge in stainless, or any other metal for that matter.  The 
hinges are 
> prone to rust and more common, is that the bolts tack welded to the 
hinges 
> break off if you try to tighten them.  My hinge had no signs of 
weather, and 
> still looked new, but the bolt studs often rust in area where you 
dont see, 
> until you try to adjust them.  It is the weld that corrodes away in 
most 
> cases before the hinge itself shows signs of weathering.  So be 
careful if 
> your engine cover starts to loosen and you want to tighten the 
hinge.  The 
> studs are attached in a fairly weak manner to say the least.
> 
> Gary Gore
> Activities Director
> DeLorean Mid Atlantic
> VIN 3360
> 
> << Hey guys, the Delorean steel products company is, apparently, a 
German 
>  company.  I stumbled upon it by accident.  I simply typed in the 
web site 
>  address that they provided.  I saved it in my favorite files and 
will 
> forward 
>  it to you if I can.  Again, the company does offer a stainless 
steel louver 
>  panel for Deloreans. >>




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:14:01 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: V-8 Lotus radiator fit a Delorean?

No.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cbl302_at_dml_msn.com 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 2:01 AM
  Subject: [DML] V-8 Lotus radiator fit a Delorean?


  Does anybody know if a v-8 lotus esprit radiator will fit in a 
  Delorean,or even the older 4 cylinder turbo radiator.

  Claude
  000570 



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:13:23 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Thermo-time Switch Question

Stain, 
Try to start your car with out any modifications.It may start ok.If 
not, then your other options are:  
    #1 ( In the book )Open the hood and remove the grey plug from the 
control pressure regulator and replace the blue plug on the cold 
start. Then unplug after cranking. 
    #2.( In the book ) You can run a jumper from the blue/black wire 
in the thermo sensor connector to ground. This you can leave in place 
till you get the thermo sensor replaced. But i wouldn't.
    Any thing you do is a simulation of a hot start since your 
by-passing the thermo sensor. 
    I your car is prone to ( not )starting quickly due to some other 
problem , then the worst thing that could happen is flooding. If that 
happens, then un plug the jumper or any other thing and let the car 
sit for a while and re start w/o any mod's. 
    If the definition of Fire Hazard is now Hot Start. Then wait on 
the part and don't drive the car. When you put the gray plug to the 
blue plug is the same thing as ( Hot Start ). If the cold start valve 
sticks open, that's ( hot start ), if the contacts on the thermo 
sensor stick shut, that's ( hot start ). You can add a relay from 
inside the car and do the same thing. Then un plug it. That's ( Hot 
Start ). Why some people want to put fear in someone about fire 
hazard doesn't make any sense. There are hundreds of things on the 
De Lorean that could cause a fire, the most common is ( wiring ) and 
under rated relays, circut breakers and so on.  

John
11004


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hello, I have another problem now. When the garage installed the 
waterpump 
> they accidentally broke the two pins on the thermotime switch when 
it was 
> connected. Meaning that I had to use pliers to get them out! Im 
happy to say 
> that this was successful.
> 
> The garages fault of course, they have already ordered a new one. 
Standard 
> Bosch part. This is the reason for my cold start problems.
> 
> While waiting, I would like to know if you have a quick, temporary 
fix that 
> will allow me to drive the car (read:start the car) while Im 
waiting for 
> that switch. I should have it within a week or so, but its a long 
time to 
> wait esp. if it takes all week...
> 
> Is there any way to trigger the switch so as to make the cold start 
valve 
> inject a bit of fuel for start up? I folded back the plastic volvo 
cap on 
> the connector. Two wires. One of them are blue & black the other 
one is blue 
> & yellow.
> 
> Best wishes
> Stian Birkeland
> Norway
> 
> VIN # 06759
> 
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:23:03 -0500
From: "John P. Chandler II" <chandler_at_dml_win.bright.net>
Subject: RE: HELP!!

Dear Joe:
I would appreciate getting a copy of Service Bulletin ST-21-10/81.  Will be
happy to pay the cost of reproduction and faxing and/or mailing. Thanks.

John P. Chandler II
12688 N. Birch Point Lane
Hayward, WI 54843, U.S.A.
Voice: 715-462-9337
Fax: 715-462-3682


-----Original Message-----
From: DMC Joe [mailto:dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:23 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] HELP!!


Richard,

Service Bulletin ST-21-10/81gives instructions with an illustration on how
to open the hood in the event of broken release cable. Contact us directly
if you need a copy.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dmc1219_at_dml_one.net
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:39 AM
  Subject: [DML] HELP!!




  Is there any other way to open the trunk when the cable is broken ????

  Someone pulled too hard & the cable broke at the latch.  Fortunately, this
  is an early '81 with the gas flap.

  Richard







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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:14:48 EDT
From: delorean31_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust

Rob Grady doesnt sell the hinges.  If you call any of the parts suppliers 
they will say they are out of stock.  If someone sells them please let us 
know.  I replaced mine from a used one I repainted.  The only place you can 
get them is off a parts car.  Of course Rob probably has a couple in his 
inventory as most all suppliers do from parts cars or maybe NOS, but in time 
this will certainly be an item that will need to be remanufactured.

Gary Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360

<< If you have a problem with the engine cover hinges there are three 
 things that you can do:
 (1) don't park the car outside where they could get wet
 (2) remove and repaint the hinges when they rust
 (3) call rob grady and get powder-coated hinges (they look real nice)
 
 David Teitelbaum
 vin 10757 >>



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:42:11 -0400
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Permanent solution for engine cover hinge rust

Gary wrote:
>in time this will certainly be an item that will 
>need to be remanufactured.

I remember reading a long time ago on the DML that DMC Houston has a
complete set of the manufacturing plans (blueprints, etc.) for all of the
pieces of the DeLorean -- and if memory serves, there were a few private
owners who had copies of some of those documents, too.  Surely one of those
sources could find the plans for the engine cover hinges, as well as many
of the other short-supply items, and present them to a machine shop to have
them remanufactured?  I'm not saying it would be easy, but I am saying that
it's possible.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about the plans -- Sunday afternoon football
and Coronas have a tendency to put my memory a little out of focus...  ;-)

- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- Visit my Painted DeLoreans website:
- http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:01:01 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Stereo/Alternator

John
A higher amp alternator is only needed if you have certain conditions 
and problems. As alternators heat up, the voltage and current goes 
down. Then when you turn on lights, air conditioners, and fans come 
on then the voltage and current to charge the battery lessens. The 
more power your alternator has, the more it can keep up. Most general 
alternators today are 105 amp but they won't support the loads in 
certain conditions and they are working at full capacity.  Thats why 
I have the De Lorean 140 amp and built others up to 180 amp for 
special applications.Our temp today in Dallas is 107 degrees, couple 
that with heat under the hood and engine heat, the load goes up and 
the alternator has to work harder. If you see your needle below the 
13volt mark more than over, then you may want to question your 
system???????
John

     --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, John Yeoman <theshovel1224_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Moderator's note:
> This is a subject that, probably more than any other, dominates the 
archives. let's not forget to use them for some of these answers.
> 
> 
> Hey List, If I were to put an aftermarket am/fm radio
> with tape and cd player in my DeLorean, would I need a
> more powerful alternator?  I have the Motorola 90 amp.
>  If I would need a bigger one, what would you suggest,
> a 105 amp, or a 140 amp?  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:04:14 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Thermostat

Dave,
 I have used two on my cars and they work fine.
John

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Delorean17_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Hey List,
>     I am almost done with my car.  just have to throw the interior 
back in 
> next week.  Doing a few last touches right now.  I planned to 
replace the 
> Thermostat because I want everything to work properly.  NAPA didnt 
have 
> DeLorean in there book but gave me a thermostat to a 1981 Volvo V-6 
and said 
> bring it back tomorrow if it doesnt fit.  before I tear it apart to 
put it in 
> I want to know if it will fit.  the part is NAPA HEAVY DUTY 
THERMOSTAT #280.  
> It is made by wahler and made in West Germany.  will this fit?  I 
would have 
> bought a thermostat from DMC Joe or Grady like usual, but I need 
this done 
> asap.  
> 
> Thanks
> Dave




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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:24:20 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Idle problems with A/C on

Michael, 
The ECU unit or the idle speed motor is most likley not working 
properly, have you checked to make sure there is no vaccum leak. If 
you need to borrow an ECU unit to test, i can loan you one.
John


or the Idle speed motor --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" 
<dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Michael,
>  
> Your stalling problem is a result of a malfunctioning Idle Speed 
Circuit.
> 
> "We're here to help you"
> 
> DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_a...>
> Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
>   
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Michael R Dixon 
>   To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:20 AM
>   Subject: [DML] Idle problems with A/C on
> 
> 
>   When at idle with my A/C on the RPMs are so low that many times 
my D stalls.  I put on a new 140 Amp. alternator but the same thing 
happens.  Any suggestions on what might be my problem?
>   --
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:30:02 -0400
From: "TK" <TKNBA_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: dmc2 watch a good investment?

i was wondering about the dmc2 timepiece that is being offered and i'm curious of other peoples thoughts on if you think it is a good investment or not.

 As most know its selling for about 3,000 dollars and reserves a new dmc2 sports car in your name,                  ( which who knows will actually come out) 

but no matter if the car comes out or not the timepiece , in itself ,a stainless steel wonder , a part of the delorean history, may be worth something more in the future,

and i suppose if the new car comes out , the watch may be worth even more than if it doesn't--------
imagine owning a car and always being able to show it off by showing people your wrist , people that buy the car and didn't hear about the offer, like we did, will want one.

not to mention that the new car in itself might or might not be a good investment................only time will tell

so i would like to hear some thoughts on if you think the timepiece or the new car is a good investment to make.

-TK

VIN-   hopefully by next spring- NYC AREA IF SELLERS ARE WONDERING (10,000 market )



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 19:57:31 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: drove for the first time!

I truely drove a Delorean for the first time yesterday.  I picked up 
4512 from Micah Frymans house on Saturday and it is better than I 
ever imagined.  Marty Maiers shocks are PERFECT!  The rebuilt 
steering rack is amazing.  The sound of the newly redone engine is 
great!  And the transmission shifts like a dream.
The summers almost gone, but thats ok.  I've still got a couple 
months of good driving.

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:53:14 CDT
From: "Richard Petrie" <juffo7_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Cruise Control

Hi Everyone,

As it is little mentioned on the list here (at least from what I can
remember) the D does not come with cruise control. Is it hard to have
installed ( can you trust the aftermarket type) or is it NOT recommended??


Thanks!
Richard
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Fuel Filter Woes!!

Question for you guys... well my delorean has been
exhibiting "bucking" on acceleration... first thing i
did was replace my pickup line.. i did this... still
happing.. well.. i went back and checked today.. 

My fuel filter baggy at the end of the pickup line has
broken off the end of the hose and i have driven the
car twice since this has happened.. so im pumping in
unfiltered gas into the pump.  My pump has been making
some groaing noise as well..

What am i facing now?

-Cliff


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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:02:44 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: RE: Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept 23rd-24th

We worked out a special deal at the Holiday Inn at Rt 95 and Parham Road
for $62 a night.  It is about 1/2 mile from the tech session.  See
www.dmc12.com <http://www.dmc12.com> .
 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Vicky Miller 
	Sent: Sat 9/2/2000 10:00 AM 
	To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [DML] Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept 23rd-24th
	
	


	Any one in the Durham-Raleigh North Carolina area going to the
Richmond Va
	run in September   please let us know.. ....Trying to get a
Group together
	to travel with
	havent set a time to leave yet... so we are pretty open to every
ones
	schedule...
	
	
	please email  Privately
	at   delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com
	
	Rob Grady will be there for a tech session
	hopeing to break the  28 delorean record  from the past.....
	if you need hotel info..I have that too....
	
	
	
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 22:53:01 -0400
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: exhaust manifold


I recently bought a Delorean, and the state of virginia is requiring me to
get an emissions test.  When i took it in to get tested the attendent said i
had a cracked exhaust manifold.  But when i took it in to have the manifold
looked at they told me it was the head gasket.   Does any of this sound
right?
Thanks
  Willie




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