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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Need headlight switch fix
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

2. Re: Comparison (with other DMCs!)
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

3. Re: Oil Pan Gasket
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

4. Re: dmc2 watch a good investment?
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>

5. RE: dmc2 watch a good investment?
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>

6. Re: Re: The next time you want to complain about parts prices, think Lotus.
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: The next time you want to complain about parts prices, think Lotus.
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

8. Re: Starting Problem solved
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Stolen Grill
From: "Mike " <mquinto_at_dml_msn.com>

10. RE: Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept 23rd-24th
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

11. Re: Motor mount / crank case
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

12. Cousins
From: comet6974_at_dml_juno.com

13. Oil Sending Unit
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

14. vin numbers
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

15. Radio
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:40:57 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Need headlight switch fix

Walter,
I have had to disassemble and fixed head light switches on several
occasions, its not too bad, just look very closely and you can figure out
what's happening, if the contacts get too hot, then it all stats to melt and
fuse together, then you will be needing some new parts or a new switch...it
you get stuck, I have some switches with the same internals, just swap
everything around...try and get fixed up in the USA first.

Chris P DOC UK   England.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:10 AM
Subject: [DML] Need headlight switch fix


> The headlight switch on my Delorean is getting progressively less reliable
> with age.  Before the car had 10K miles on it, the switch started giving
> problems.  I understand that Delorean headlight switches are another
typical
> weak-spot in these cars and replacing them with an OEM part is a temporary
> fix at best since headlight switches have a high failure rate.
>
> The switch just doesn't want to latch when I press it.  Sometimes tapping
it
> real fast helps it stick, but with practice the switch is learning
> techniques around my stealth fingers again.
>
> I've heard rumor that the headlight switch off of a certain model Audi is
> the same thing or better.  Is this true, and can anyone give me details
> about it?
>
> And otherwise, what is the best fix for a headlight switch?  I've seen
(and
> I forget who's car it was) a headlight switch re-wired sticking out of the
> bottom of the center console.  It was a reversible modification that
> bypassed the bad dash switch.  Well this is a good idea, but  I'd kind of
> like to fix it right the first time if that's possible.
>
> I also remember talking to someone about trying to disassemble a switch
and
> repairing it (I think it was the same guy as mentioned above) but he said
he
> tried that and failed.
>
> I'm not eager about rebuilding my switch unless I know I can put it back
> together in the same day.  And I know myself too well... once apart, it
will
> probably stay apart until I die of old age and someone else buys the car
> from my estate.
>
> So who's got the best fix?
>
> Walt    Tampa, FL
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:01:42 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Comparison (with other DMCs!)

Josh Haldeman wrote:

> Joe,
> Believe it or not, it's true.  I'd be happy to demonstrate next time you are in Cincy if you
> need proof.  I strongly suspect that the Volvo dealership did more than just tune it up when it
> went in but I can't for the life of me imagine what it was they changed.

Maybe your Volvo technician threw a monkey wrench into the Porsche?

Seriously, the DeLorean does perform about equal to a Porsche 944 or 924S, and better than a
Porsche 924 or 914.  But the only inexpensive way to make a DeLorean beat a competition tuned 911
would be a nitrous oxide system, which could not operate without the driver's knowledge.


- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:24:23 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Gasket

STOP!

Most oil leaks are caused by a failed seal at the oil sender switch. The oil that leaks out of the switch usually collects at the oil pan mimicking an oil pan leak. Actually the engine manufacturing plant did an excellent job on the oil pan and gasket. 

A fact, few DeLorean owners realize, is that the oil pan is heavy cast which greatly increases the sealing quality and longevity of the oil pan gasket. Most DeLorean's, including very high mileage cars, are still equipped with the factory oil pan gasket which is still leak free. Not a common occurrence among the average automobile engine. 

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Willie Mack 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:08 PM
  Subject: [DML] Oil Pan Gasket



  When i bought my Delorean, i noticed that the underside of the engine was
  covered in oil.   One of the spots that it appeared to be coming from was
  the oil pan gasket.  I bought a new gasket and attempted to install it
  myself.  I took 15 or so bolts off the oil pan when i realised the final
  bolts in the back were blocked by the frame of the car.  Is there any easy
  way to gain access to those bolts?  or do i have to loosen the entire
  engine?
  Thanks
    Willie






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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:10:25 -0700
From: "Gabe W." <thecreech_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: Re: dmc2 watch a good investment?

I don't belive thats correct. The watch is being sold to raise money for the
car. They have a new contract now and very shortly will be sending out full
contracts to original people who sent in the form and will be requesting a
deposit for the watch.

If you read the bottom of the newer form you'll see it talks about the
deposit.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] dmc2 watch a good investment?


> Ok, I have been reading this for a bit and see some misunderstandings
> regarding the DMC2 watch.  It is not for sale now.  The only way to get
one
> is to sign an open contract which either side can break at ay time.  It is
> more like a promise to buy a watch when the company starts making cars, no
> money now and no watch now.  Once the cars are made, the "vin" number
watch
> you choose is your cars vin number.
>
> Jack and Virginia Stiefel
> DMC Vin: 03461 New York Lic:1981 DMC
> Visit us at www.geocities.com/stiefel.geo/new

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:36:58 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: RE: dmc2 watch a good investment?

How would one go about putting the $3000.00 down for the DMC-2 watch/car?
I noticed that the DMC-2 watch site just says "under construction, will soon
have an interview with John Delorean". Is there an address or phone # to
contact
someone at?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack & Virginia Stiefel [mailto:stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com]
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:07 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] dmc2 watch a good investment?


Ok, I have been reading this for a bit and see some misunderstandings
regarding the DMC2 watch.  It is not for sale now.  The only way to get one
is to sign an open contract which either side can break at ay time.  It is
more like a promise to buy a watch when the company starts making cars, no
money now and no watch now.  Once the cars are made, the "vin" number watch
you choose is your cars vin number.

Jack and Virginia Stiefel
DMC Vin: 03461 New York Lic:1981 DMC
Visit us at www.geocities.com/stiefel.geo/new

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:23:23 EDT
From: fjk143_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: The next time you want to complain about parts prices, think Lotus.

Y'all ought to try Porsche or Ferrari prices - my 911 oil change (non-synthetic) is $150 and the convertible top latch for my Ferrari Mondial t Cab was $530 (installed, of course).  That is the only idividual part available for the top such that if the top is damaged, you need to replace the top AND the framework for about $5,000...maybe that us why the Ferrari has only been driven 300 mile in the last year.

So, let us all be grateful we own DeLoreans as well as our other cars.

Fred
6894



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:00:03 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: The next time you want to complain about parts prices, think Lotus.

<MODERATOR's NOTE: It's clear many think parts prices are a good deal.
Without something new or interesting on this, further "me too" posts
will be killed>


In my opinion if the prices of the delorean parts started to reflect 
what it would cost to duplicate and replace New Old Stock (NOS) then 
you would see significantly higher prices being charged. We still are 
not paying much more than the parts cost in the early 80's adjusted 
for inflation. Call me a traitor but if the prices of the parts was 
higher then the cars (at least the ones in good shape) would be worth 
alot more. Think about it, if you could buy a parts car for $6,000
and 
the parts to fix it up was $10,000 then the running car that could be 
purchesed instead would be worth more because of the labor and time 
required. Also if you ever went to the dealer to order a part for
your 
daily driver how often did the dealer have to order the part and tell 
you 2-3 days and then find out it's backorderd to a regional 
wharehouse or maybe the vender and wait a week or more? We as
delorean 
owners are very fortunate to have such a large supply of parts as 
quick as we want them. Most people are not aware of the fact that
when 
production was shut down there was a large supply of parts that was 
returned to the parts supply from the assembly line. As an orphan
make 
we were blessed with a very large supply of parts. This is a 
double-edged sword as it has kept the venders from having to source 
many parts and paying current prices and passing those costs along. 
Another fact is that many parts can be gotten from other car dealers 
like volvo. Price a fuel distributer from a volvo dealer and compare 
it to a delorean vender. See how long it would take to get because 
they don't stock such "old" parts. Ask them how to troubleshoot a 
problem and then thank people like DMC Joe or Rob Grady who not only 
will spend the time with you but really know the car and can help you 
over the phone without seeing the car. If you don't patronize the 
dealers who are trying to make a living keeping the marque alive then 
a strange thing will happen, there won't be people like this because 
they coudn't make a living at it. Then you won't hear anyone 
complaining about prices because there are no parts to buy at any 
price. You will start to stick in parts that aren't quite right or 
maybe not fix some things. The cars will get worse and worse and
worth 
less and less. Whenever I go to car shows and people ask about parts 
they are surprised that you can buy them. In some cases I believe it 
keeps some from considering buying a Delorean. Just my $.02 worth
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

ps. Go to delorean one's website and look at what he will sell you
for 
just $50,000. Maybe he knows what it takes to fix up a "D" and what 
the parts are really worth. (just kidding) 




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, cbl302_at_dml_m... wrote:
> > 
> > P.S. And as for the person who asked if the Lotus V8 radiator 
would 
> fit a
> > DeLorean, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU DO THAT?
> 
> The reason I asked that question is that I found a NEW Lotus v-8 
> radiator for less than a new Delorean Radiator,also if you order
the 
> parts (lotus parts)directly from (Britian) the factory they are 
> priced to about what the Delorean parts are(for a 1984 Lotus)as a 
> friend of mine is Restoring a 1984,and found that the prices in
this 
> country are as you said (Waaayyy over priced).
> 
> Claude
> 000570




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:41:10 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Starting Problem solved

Jim,

Any loose connection in a high current circuit will cause overheating. With the right conditions melting will occur even in a fused circuit. Evidently the previous fix was not very secure. Just be sure that your connections are tight and secure and you should have no meltdown problems. 

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Reeve 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com ; mndmc_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:29 PM
  Subject: [DML] Starting Problem solved


  Well, I finally got it figured out.  The car is started an running
  fine.  It turns out that the previous owner had COMPLETELY removed the
  inertia switch!!!  No wonder I couldn't find it.  There was a jumper
  wire connecting the ground to the fuel pump that had burned, melted, and
  corroded to the point where it lost contact.  This could also explain
  the problem I have been having with my power locks since those unlock
  wires are not connected to anything.  So here is my next question...  I
  am probably going to order a new inertia switch, get a new harness
  connector, (existing one is burned and melted), and it will all be
  good.  But right now I am wondering what could have caused this to
  burn/melt in the first place?  I could see no obvious signs of shorts,
  and shouldn't a fuse have blown instead of this?  Right now I'm running
  on a new jumper wire I wedged in place.  But I would still like to know
  what kind of fire hazard I'm running here.  Thanks for everyone's help.
  -- 
  Jim Reeve <Ultra>
  '81 DeLorean-#6960
  http://www.dmcultra.com
  AIM-Ultra2169





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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:27:17 -0000
From: "Mike " <mquinto_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Stolen Grill

Hello List,
  Well yesterday I wanted to wash a car in the driveway. So I moved 
my DeLorean out of the driveway and into the street out front of my 
house.
After I was done I went in the house for about an hour. I went back 
outside to move my D back in the driveway. And what do you think I 
didn't see, my grill!
I couldn't believe it, I felt so dirty and violated.

  When my new grill is delivered I'm going to add two small metal 
cables to attach from the grill to the facia. And I'm also thinking 
of adding a hot wire with a door plunger to break the circuit, I want 
the cars horn to go off when someone tries to remove the grill.

Or am I just being really paranoid about leaving my Delorean outside.

Regards
Mike Vin#1113






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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:40:21 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: RE: Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept 23rd-24th

We now have groups comming from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York and
the Carolina's.  If you want someone to travel with, give me an email or
call.
 
Jack Singer
jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net <mailto:jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net> 
www.dmc12.com <http://www.dmc12.com>  

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Jack Singer 
	Sent: Sun 9/3/2000 8:02 PM 
	To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [DML] Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept
23rd-24th
	
	

	We worked out a special deal at the Holiday Inn at Rt 95 and
Parham Road
	
	for $62 a night.  It is about 1/2 mile from the tech session.
See
	
	www.dmc12.com < http://www.dmc12.com> .
	
	
	
	
	
	        -----Original Message-----
	
	        From: Vicky Miller
	
	        Sent: Sat 9/2/2000 10:00 AM
	
	        To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
	
	        Cc:
	
	        Subject: [DML] Caravan to the Richmond Va Show Sept
23rd-24th
	
	       
	
	       
	
	
	
	
	
	        Any one in the Durham-Raleigh North Carolina area going
to the
	
	Richmond Va
	
	        run in September   please let us know.. ....Trying to
get a
	
	Group together
	
	        to travel with
	
	        havent set a time to leave yet... so we are pretty open
to every
	
	ones
	
	        schedule...
	
	       
	
	       
	
	        please email  Privately
	
	        at   delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com
	
	       
	
	        Rob Grady will be there for a tech session
	
	        hopeing to break the  28 delorean record  from the
past.....
	
	        if you need hotel info..I have that too....
	
	       
	
	       
	
	       
	
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:49:59 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: Re: Motor mount / crank case

Steve - according to my inventory I have a couple of used #102031 lower
crankcase pieces in stock.  List price is $312.50, my price is $125.00 plus
$10.00 shipping.  Let me know if you are interested.

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680





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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:02:25 -0700
From: comet6974_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Cousins

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: The DeLorean Owners Directory and the VIN chronology available at the DMCNews site has all the VIN numbers collected from DMCNews.]


I know this topic has come up a lot, but i was very surprised to see
this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4291664
31&r=0&t=0
one of our cars is 6974
The vin # is 6976, i have never seen any two cars that are this close,
just out of curiosity has anyone ever found two cars that are right next
to each other numerically? 


Trevor Johnson
# 6974 & 4055 
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 02:22:31 -0000
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Oil Sending Unit

This one is probably too simple for all concerned.  Should the 
threads of the oil sending unit be wrapped with tefleon tape?  If so, 
how does the unit get its ground?  If not, does it leak?

I recently replaced my original with a Mid-States upgraded one 
designed for the oil pressure gauge and I have been wondering about 
the correct procedure.

Thank you,

Scot 6452




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 02:25:25 -0000
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: vin numbers

[MODERATOR's NOTE: The VIN chronology is at http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/n_chron.htm   There was also another chronology page on DMCNews due to some stale links that is not the latest one. In the chronology list in n_chron.htm VIN 6452 appears on the list]


Since it has been brought up I am curious to know why the vin number 
list is never brought up to date.  I submitted mine in January and I 
have been checking each month and no change.

I re-submitted and I was told that they would be brought currrent but 
so far nothing.  Just wondering.

Scot
6452




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 22:29:10 -0400
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Radio


Does anyone know the size of receiver that fits in Deloreans?  I am thinking
of putting in a cd player but i don't know what size fits.
Thanks
  Willie




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