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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Strange Noise and belt problem
From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus_at_dml_earthlink.net>

2. ECU units
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

3. Re: re: Coasting & Pulsating
From: jdsjlv_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Strange Noise and belt problem
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: Strange Noise and belt problem
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: Strange Noise and belt problem
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

8. Re: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

9. DELOREAN MODEL FOR 25th ANNIVERSARY!!!!
From: JOEFELICE_at_dml_AOL.COM

10. loose steering column
From: "Joe commins" <joecommins_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Stainless Steel Bumper Letters
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

12. Gas Struts
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

13. Need Help - Richmond Show
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>

14. Re: Clutch Replacement
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

15. Re: Oil Sending Unit
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

16. RE: Stainless Steel Bumper Letters
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:25:23 -0400
From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Strange Noise and belt problem

Well Have I had an interesting weekend or what?  After I put my Delco
alternator back in (had to get a bolt tightend and voltage regulator
replaced)  I noticed a squealing noise comming from the engine when the
alternator was under heavey load  (A/c max blower 4) It would only make
this noise in idle or low gears.  When I took the car to the Alternator
repair shop to ask what they though the noise was, the man assured me that
it was not the Alternator, but that the belt was not tight enough.  Sure
enoguht, I got a crow bar, tightened the belt, and had no problems for the
rest of the day.  The next morning I got the same noise.  The belt felt
loose again, but the tensioner was still at the same place.  I tightened it
to max and the noise went away that time as well.  Last night, I was
driving home, and all the sudden, my voltage went to 0, and as I was
turning on my road, I watched my temperature guage rise like a rabbid jack
rabbit.  I made it home on a GUll-wing and a prayer, immediately shut off
the car, and watched the gallons of coolant and smoke spew out.  After it
cooled down I went out with a flashlight, and noticed that there was no
Alternator/Water pump belt.  I also noticed a lot of black dust by the belt
drive pulley. ( where the belt was suppsed to be)I had noticed this black
dust before, when the belt was there, but paid not attention to it.  The
belt did not simply fall off, it disintegrated.  What caused this to
happen? I was a new belt.  
Thanks
Joe Palatinus
VIN 17167 6808



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:46:55 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: ECU units

Group
Even though the books say the ECU units are not repairable, I have 
been successful in repairing two of them. What would be a big help is 
a wiring diagram of the ECU units of the De Lorean. Bosch #0-280-220-
009. I would be eternally grateful.Does any one know how to get your 
hands on this from Bosch.I have all the chips and components but 
nothing as far as a diagram or explanation of what the voltages are 
internally.If you would rather email privately, then please do so.
dherv10_at_dml_aol.com 
John
11004




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:13:57 EDT
From: jdsjlv_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: re: Coasting & Pulsating

Scott,
Both the A/C and fans were not on at the time.


> What you may have been feeling is the load change
> on the engine when the AC compressor was cycling.
>
> Scott Mueller
> 1981/002981




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:23:03 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem

What happened to you is not rare. One of the idler pulley bearings 
seized up and broke the belt. They are easily replaced and put in a 
new belt. If you didn't overheat the motor too much you should be 
alright.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Well Have I had an interesting weekend or what?  After I put my 
Delco
> alternator back in (had to get a bolt tightend and voltage regulator
> replaced)  I noticed a squealing noise comming from the engine when 
the
> alternator was under heavey load  (A/c max blower 4) It would only 
make
> this noise in idle or low gears.  When I took the car to the 
Alternator
> repair shop to ask what they though the noise was, the man assured 
me that
> it was not the Alternator, but that the belt was not tight enough.  
Sure
> enoguht, I got a crow bar, tightened the belt, and had no problems 
for the
> rest of the day.  The next morning I got the same noise.  The belt 
felt
> loose again, but the tensioner was still at the same place.  I 
tightened it
> to max and the noise went away that time as well.  Last night, I was
> driving home, and all the sudden, my voltage went to 0, and as I was
> turning on my road, I watched my temperature guage rise like a 
rabbid jack
> rabbit.  I made it home on a GUll-wing and a prayer, immediately 
shut off
> the car, and watched the gallons of coolant and smoke spew out.  
After it
> cooled down I went out with a flashlight, and noticed that there
was 
no
> Alternator/Water pump belt.  I also noticed a lot of black dust by 
the belt
> drive pulley. ( where the belt was suppsed to be)I had noticed this 
black
> dust before, when the belt was there, but paid not attention to it. 
 The
> belt did not simply fall off, it disintegrated.  What caused this to
> happen? I was a new belt.  
> Thanks
> Joe Palatinus
> VIN 17167 6808




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:04:54 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem

Joe,

Replace the belt and do the following. Prior to installing the new belt check to be sure that the alternator pulley rotates freely by hand, next install the new belt. Check to be sure that the belt is not making contact with any of the alternator attachment bolts. Be sure not to over-tighten the tension on the belt. After your adjustment push down on the belt midway between the alternator and water pump pulleys, Minimum deflection should be no less than 1/2 inch.

Possible causes of your belt failure could be over-tensioning. If the belt is too tight it could overheat and disintegrate. It is also possible that you may have a defective belt. If the belt was purchased from us will be happy to send you a free replacement.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Palatinus 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 12:25 AM
  Subject: [DML] Strange Noise and belt problem


  Well Have I had an interesting weekend or what?  After I put my Delco
  alternator back in (had to get a bolt tightend and voltage regulator
  replaced)  I noticed a squealing noise comming from the engine when the
  alternator was under heavey load  (A/c max blower 4) It would only make
  this noise in idle or low gears.  When I took the car to the Alternator
  repair shop to ask what they though the noise was, the man assured me that
  it was not the Alternator, but that the belt was not tight enough.  Sure
  enoguht, I got a crow bar, tightened the belt, and had no problems for the
  rest of the day.  The next morning I got the same noise.  The belt felt
  loose again, but the tensioner was still at the same place.  I tightened it
  to max and the noise went away that time as well.  Last night, I was
  driving home, and all the sudden, my voltage went to 0, and as I was
  turning on my road, I watched my temperature guage rise like a rabbid jack
  rabbit.  I made it home on a GUll-wing and a prayer, immediately shut off
  the car, and watched the gallons of coolant and smoke spew out.  After it
  cooled down I went out with a flashlight, and noticed that there was no
  Alternator/Water pump belt.  I also noticed a lot of black dust by the belt
  drive pulley. ( where the belt was suppsed to be)I had noticed this black
  dust before, when the belt was there, but paid not attention to it.  The
  belt did not simply fall off, it disintegrated.  What caused this to
  happen? I was a new belt.  
  Thanks
  Joe Palatinus
  VIN 17167 6808





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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:10:31 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem

David,

Joe's problem is not related to the AC belt, therefore it is unlikely that the Idler pulley had any influence on the alternator belt failure.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net 
  To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 12:23 PM
  Subject: [DML] Re: Strange Noise and belt problem


  What happened to you is not rare. One of the idler pulley bearings 
  seized up and broke the belt. They are easily replaced and put in a 
  new belt. If you didn't overheat the motor too much you should be 
  alright.
  David Teitelbaum
  vin 10757




  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus_at_dml_e...> wrote:
  > Well Have I had an interesting weekend or what?  After I put my 
  Delco
  > alternator back in (had to get a bolt tightend and voltage regulator
  > replaced)  I noticed a squealing noise comming from the engine when 
  the
  > alternator was under heavey load  (A/c max blower 4) It would only 
  make
  > this noise in idle or low gears.  When I took the car to the 
  Alternator
  > repair shop to ask what they though the noise was, the man assured 
  me that
  > it was not the Alternator, but that the belt was not tight enough.  
  Sure
  > enoguht, I got a crow bar, tightened the belt, and had no problems 
  for the
  > rest of the day.  The next morning I got the same noise.  The belt 
  felt
  > loose again, but the tensioner was still at the same place.  I 
  tightened it
  > to max and the noise went away that time as well.  Last night, I was
  > driving home, and all the sudden, my voltage went to 0, and as I was
  > turning on my road, I watched my temperature guage rise like a 
  rabbid jack
  > rabbit.  I made it home on a GUll-wing and a prayer, immediately 
  shut off
  > the car, and watched the gallons of coolant and smoke spew out.  
  After it
  > cooled down I went out with a flashlight, and noticed that there
  was 
  no
  > Alternator/Water pump belt.  I also noticed a lot of black dust by 
  the belt
  > drive pulley. ( where the belt was suppsed to be)I had noticed this 
  black
  > dust before, when the belt was there, but paid not attention to it. 
   The
  > belt did not simply fall off, it disintegrated.  What caused this to
  > happen? I was a new belt.  
  > Thanks
  > Joe Palatinus
  > VIN 17167 6808



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:28:03 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem

Another thing you may want to check are the blades on the alternator 
belt. If the are bent out too far they will slowly cut into the belt. 
Fit the new alternator belt into place and tighten it up enough that 
you are still able to turn the alternator itself by hand. Make sure 
that the blades do not touch the belt as you rotate them. If they do, 
you'll need to bend them back only slightly. When replacing the 
alternator belt use only either one from a parts supplier or the belt 
the Pep-Boys sells. While the Kelly-Springfield crossover is the 
correct length and appears identical to the original it's not. The 
K/S belt is too wide at the top and doesn't seat properly into the 
pully's.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "jtrealty_at_dml_w... " <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> What happened to you is not rare. One of the idler pulley bearings 
> seized up and broke the belt. They are easily replaced and put in a 
> new belt. If you didn't overheat the motor too much you should be 
> alright.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757





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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:33:08 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Strange Noise and belt problem

This cannot be correct as there are no idler pulleys involved with the
alternator/water pump belt.  It could be that the water pump or the
alternator seized up, bad belt (even though it is new), or bad alignment
between the three pulleys wearing the belt away.  The reason for the fluids
all over the ground is possibly due to the belt (when it finally came apart)
cutting one or more of the coolant tubes - you should thoroughly look over
the system before going out on the road again.  Check the alignment between
the pulleys - I'll bet they are ok.  Check the water pump and alternator (by
hand) to see if they are locked or have unusual amounts of resistance.  My
money is on the belt being poorly.

If you need any help, let me know and I will come out there and give you a
hand.

Sean Howley
VIN#2345


> What happened to you is not rare. One of the idler pulley bearings
> seized up and broke the belt. They are easily replaced and put in a
> new belt. If you didn't overheat the motor too much you should be
> alright.




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:25:12 -0000
From: JOEFELICE_at_dml_AOL.COM
Subject: DELOREAN MODEL FOR 25th ANNIVERSARY!!!!

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: If interested, please contact Joseph offline.
The last part of his e-mail address is aol.com]

Hello, my name is Joseph Felice.  This summer I have been writing to 
mints asking them if they would make a model of the original stock 
Delorean for the 2006, 25th anniversary of the car.  Does anybody 
want to help me write in requests.  I'll tell you how to get to the 
mints, write to me at JOEFELICE_at_dml_AOL.COM.




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:12:36 GMT
From: "Joe commins" <joecommins_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: loose steering column

Although the knob that is used for the tilt/telexcopic function is tight, my 
car has developed about 3 inches of up/down play in the steering wheel.

Any suggestions on what to look for or check?

J
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:29:35 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: Stainless Steel Bumper Letters

Help!

I have the stainless steel bumper letters on my car, with the exception of
the 'a' (I am now driving a De Lore n).

Anyone either have a new set of these letters I can buy, or know where I can
get a new set?  I am also interested on getting people's advice on properly
attaching the letters.  I had a suggestion of JB Weld (thanks Bob), but
wanted to see what other people thought.

Thanks

Michael Babb
michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:15:00 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Gas Struts

Hello

I was wondering if anyone knew, if he DeLorean was the only machine/vehicle 
to use the size of the gas struts on the doors, louvres, and trunk. 

This my be an extremely long stretch, but do you think that maybe the gas 
strut size is the same on like a tractor? I guess it's possible, but I doubt 
it. I will probably be ordering the set of six from DMC Houston.

John Feldman
VIN 4275



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:38:34 -0400
From: "Jack Singer" <jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net>
Subject: Need Help - Richmond Show

I have been asked to write up a one page article on the DeLorean for the
Richmond VA British Car Show that is featuring the DeLorean.  If anyone
out there has a write up, please forward it to me.  Also, we welcome
anyone who wants to attend.  To date we have people from PA, NJ, NY, MD,
VA, NC and SC.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Tech Day Saturday September 23
Show Sunday September 24.
 
www.dmc12.com <http://www.dmc12.com>  for tech info.
www.britishcarclub.com <http://www.britishcarclub.com>  for show info.
 
jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net <mailto:jsinger_at_dml_ig2.net> 

	 



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:57:23 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Clutch Replacement

Is there any way that I could possibly spray some sort of rust 
remover clean the slave cylinder, or if rust was the culprit would I 
have to simply replace the entire assembly? Most importantly, how can 
I tell if rust is causing the problem?

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, sand131_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Its easy for others to spend your money and replace everything. I 
did that a 
> few years back. What was wrong was the slave cylinder. IT was 
rusted and 
> wouldn't disengage, Check it out first.
> Ralph
> vin 1606




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:00:34 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Sending Unit


I heard a rumor at the BCD.  Someone was crediting you with claiming that
removing the filter in the automatic transmission,  improves its
performance.?   You just have to change the oil more often.  Is this true?

bob Brandys




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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:34:10 -0400
From: "Jack & Virginia Stiefel" <stiefel_at_dml_minalco.com>
Subject: RE: Stainless Steel Bumper Letters

Michael,

Well I don't have a set to sell, but the letters come with double sided tape
on the back, and as far as I have been able to ascertain, if placed
correctly (i.e. not placed, then removed to realign and replaced) will last
a very, very long time.  I got my set from DeLorean One when I first got my
car over 3 years ago now, and they are still going strong... God has it been
that long?

Jack & Virginia Stiefel
DeLorean Vin # 03461 August 1981 Build
New York State Lic: 1981 DMC
Visit on the web at www.geocities.com/stiefel.geo/new



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA
[mailto:michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 5:30 PM
To: DMC-News
Subject: [DML] Stainless Steel Bumper Letters


Help!

I have the stainless steel bumper letters on my car, with the exception of
the 'a' (I am now driving a De Lore n).

Anyone either have a new set of these letters I can buy, or know where I can
get a new set?  I am also interested on getting people's advice on properly
attaching the letters.  I had a suggestion of JB Weld (thanks Bob), but
wanted to see what other people thought.

Thanks

Michael Babb
michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com



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