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Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 2:32 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 22

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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: A fair price?
From: "Richard Cutter" <dmc_power_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: A fair price?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

3. Kits, Keys, and Lee
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>

4. attn:parts car owners
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

5. Central Lockign
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com

6. key slugs
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>

7. Re: A fair price?
From: Michael Sanchez <sokar_at_dml_mac.com>

8. RE: A fair price?
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

9. Weekend happenings
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

10. FW: DMC 2000/ IN2TIME towing
From: Greg Linstad <gregl_at_dml_escmed.com>

11. STAINLESS or paint?
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:12:39 GMT
From: "Richard Cutter" <dmc_power_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A fair price?

Greetings...
Check out the web site:
WWW.AMERICANCUSTOMENG.COM
AND CLICK ON (DMC_POWER)
THIS WILL GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS...
Rich Cutter

>From: "Lee Burrows" <LeeB_at_dml_KeyStrategies.com>
SNIP- Would it be a sin
>to replace the original artwork with a foreign motor?  (Please don't be
>offended D fans!) Is it easily adaptable?   Any input would be appreciated.

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:43:04 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: A fair price?

If your a steady reader of the DML you know that you never hear the mention
of problems with valves, pistons, crankshafts, or any internal engine
components. What the PRV engine lacks in "brute force performance" it makes
up in a "0" failure rate of all internal components. Ultimate quality
control and craftsmanship in design and workmanship by the contortion of
Peugeot, Renault, and Volvo make the PRV a perfect complement to the concept
of the DeLorean as an automobile designed to last much longer than the
average automobile.

Case in point: Our DeLorean now has in excess of 260K miles on the original
PRV-6 engine; need I say more.

BTW: We are happy to announce that we now carry a complete line of factory
specification DeLorean parts and Zilla products.
All sales include "live" Tech Support from, yours truly, DMC Joe.

"We're here to help you"
DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Burrows <LeeB_at_dml_KeyStrategies.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:42 PM
Subject: [DML] A fair price?


> First off, I'd like to compliment everyone taking part in the DML.  I've
> joined about 2 months ago and have never been more informed about any one
> vehicle.  I've loved the D for years and am now beginning to do some
> research for a purchase.  A few questions for anyone who may be able to
help
> 1) I've seen a D in NJ with a bad motor.  What's a fair price to pay for
the
> world's coolest auto without an engine?  2) If I bought it, I'd buy it for
> looks, not for speed (I've had my share of muscle cars). Would it be a sin
> to replace the original artwork with a foreign motor?  (Please don't be
> offended D fans!) Is it easily adaptable?   Any input would be
appreciated.
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:40:19 -0700
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>
Subject: Kits, Keys, and Lee

Lee Seiler (lee_at_dml_radiance.com) ask me to post a message to the DML that his
mail has been down for several days and he's not sure when it will be
available again. His mail provider was bought out and they messed up his
mail.

So, if you have been trying to get hold of Lee about keys or the model kits,
you can pass your messages to me and I'll make sure Lee gets them. 

I'm rebuilding his website and it will soon have a lot more information
about the models and keys plus new items. 

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Ken Montgomery	    Sacramento, CA       VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm	 mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://members.tripod.com/ncdmc/
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:directory_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:02:31 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: attn:parts car owners

Hello,
    I talked to someone on the list about 1-2 months ago that had a parts car 
I was going to buy the rear window out of.  I lost your email address.  I am 
VERY sorry for having to use the list but I really need that window.  I 
remember you also have a brand NEW rear fascia still in the box.  if you are 
this person, please email me asap.  again, I am sorry for using the list.  
please email me privately.

Thanks list
#2496-


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:37:03 EDT
From: bluevelvet420_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Central Lockign

What IS central locking, i keep seeing it listed as a standard feature but i 
dont understand what it is.

Greg


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>
Subject: key slugs

 Hello, group. I would like to get some spare keys, ignition and locks,
made for my '81. Most of the locksmiths that I have visited have not had
slugs that they can reproduce my keys with. Does anyone on the list have
any slugs that they would like to sell? Alternatively, has anyone had any
success getting DMC keys replicated at a third party location (locksmith,
etc.)? Thanks...

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Mark Fearer            vin 3072



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:32:32 -0600
From: Michael Sanchez <sokar_at_dml_mac.com>
Subject: Re: A fair price?


> Case in point: Our DeLorean now has in excess of 260K miles on the original
> PRV-6 engine; need I say more.

Normally i wouldn't say anything about that comment except for the fact that
the Delorean is not the only car with an engine that can last hundreds of
thousands of miles without any problems.   My Chevy Corsica (of which i
bought as a used car for only 1,000 dollars) now has over 260k miles on it
(most of which are mine) and our 74 Chevy van now has 410k miles and we have
put VERY MINIMAL work into either vehicle.

I think engine quality sometimes has more to do with the care a car has
received more than it does who built it.  After all, it IS possible to run
even a rolls-royce engine into the ground after only 25k miles if you're
abusing the thing!

Point is, a well cared for car will always last you a long time, regardless
of who built it.

-Michael

Oh yeah, and getting back to the original string.... IMHO if you want to
keep the value of the car, put another delorean engine in the car.  From
what i have seen, the whole process can cost you under 6,000 if done right.
But if you want a different engine, remember that the car may be a better
driver for you, but the overall value of the car will tend to drop because
of it.   (unless of course you put a lotus engine in the car *winks*)  So it
all comes down to what you want... a car with a better/faster engine, or a
car with better/higher value.



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:11:12 -0500
From: "Gus Schlachter" <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE: A fair price?

A car without a motor can't be road-tested.  So when you're computing the
value, you'll need to factor in the possiblity of bad brakes, clutch, lines,
master/slave cylinders, etc.

The motor itself is easily replaced.  You can have mine!  :-)   Seriously,
I'm getting one of the NOS souped-up motors from Stephen Wynne, so there may
be quite a few used motors lying around soon.


Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Burrows [mailto:LeeB_at_dml_KeyStrategies.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:42 PM
> Subject: [DML] A fair price?
>
>
> First off, I'd like to compliment everyone taking part in the DML.  I've
> joined about 2 months ago and have never been more informed about any one
> vehicle.  I've loved the D for years and am now beginning to do some
> research for a purchase.  A few questions for anyone who may be able to
help
> 1) I've seen a D in NJ with a bad motor.  What's a fair price to
> pay for the
> world's coolest auto without an engine?  2) If I bought it, I'd buy it for
> looks, not for speed (I've had my share of muscle cars). Would it be a sin
> to replace the original artwork with a foreign motor?  (Please don't be
> offended D fans!) Is it easily adaptable?   Any input would be
> appreciated.



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:16:46 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Weekend happenings

Got no plans for the weekend, go to a car show.

If you dont know where, check my web site at

http://www.vabch.com/dsontos/page4.html

for a complete listing of local Virginia car shows

Dave Sontos
VIN 02573


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:48:21 -0700
From: Greg Linstad <gregl_at_dml_escmed.com>
Subject: FW: DMC 2000/ IN2TIME towing



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Greg Linstad 
> Sent:	Friday, April 21, 2000 11:09 AM
> To:	'dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com'
> Subject:	DMC 2000/ IN2TIME towing
> 
> As the latest announcements by Ken about the big DMC 2000 show, and the
> updates to the deloreancarshow.com website have shown, this puppy is going
> to be HUGE. Anyone missing this will forever regret it. We all owe Ken BIG
> TIME for his time and effort.
> For those interested, the IN2TIME DMC tow truck (aka VIN#5612) shown on
> the website is owned by PNDC member Gary Hull. Unlike the computer created
> photo of the DMC Limo that was seen a while back, the tow truck photo is
> in fact  a genuine photograph with no computer enhancement or manipulation
> whatsoever. I can vouch for this because it is none other than my VIN#3507
> behind the tow truck for this demonstration during our PNDC annual Blarney
> Ball Rally.
> I will not be driving to Cleveland from Seattle :(, so if anyone wants
> someone to ride shotgun during the show, I'm your man.
> Greg Linstad
> Pacific Northwest Delorean Club
> VIN #3507   117,000+ miles
> Washington plate  "RUSTLSS"


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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:30:37 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: STAINLESS or paint?

Hello list,
    The exterior of my 1981 black DeLorean is almost completed.  The 
stainless steel was lightly sanded before the car was painted.( I striped a 
dented panel)  I think it may easily be buffed out to look like new with 
blending pads.  I know thats what the 97 DeLorean time machine had done to it 
and it looks good, I beleive he also clearcoated it too.  
    The original owner promises it has NO bondo anywhere on the car but he 
said it was delivered painted with under 1000 miles on it.  I have had every 
panel off of the car at one point and there are no dents on them.  I just 
bought a new door for it that is stainless steel and I love the way it looks. 
 I think john's idea of stainless steel was awesome.  how much will painting 
it effect the value?  I will probably end up selling it before college and 
dont want to get screwed over.
    My car is a mirror black and I like the way it looks also.  it gives it a 
nice sporty Lotus look.  The car sat for a long time and the paint is 
oxidized and starting to chip.  The local automotive painting school here in 
Grand Rapids offered to paint my car for FREE.  All I have to do is supply 
the paint which wont be a problem.  From what I have seen they do a nice 
professional job. They think it will be a neat experience to paint a DMC.  
All of the car is black except a door and a fender.  they said they will need 
instructions on how to prepare the steel for painting.  I understand that 3 
paint companys put out papers on how to paint "d's".  where can I find these 
at?  I am kinda leaning towrds paint but if the value is going to go down 
considerably I may change my mind.  I will want around $13k-14k for it when 
its all done and painted.  overall its a pretty nice car with lower miles.  
is that reasonable for a painted car?  If I am painting it I need to sign up 
soon, but I can't get in until October.

please let me know what you all think.

thank you
David
#2496-


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