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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Lexan or Plexiglass windshields
From: "Richard W. Schauer" <>

2. Chance meetings at a car show
From: Trevor L Johnson <>

3. Re: Delorean for sale, Toronto
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <>

4. 30,000 mile maintenence
From: Jim Reeve <>

5. Re: re: Lexan or Plexiglass windshields
From: "DMC Joe" <>

6. Plexiglass windshield and a alternative to goop adhesive for windshields
From: "Claude " <>

7. bad DMC to Lotus Espirit windshield x-reference
From: "Walter" <>

8. Re: Transmission leak
From: "DMC Joe" <>

9. JZD: "What controversy?"
From: Mike Substelny <>

10. Re: Transmission leak
From: " " <>

11. Re: Re: Cruise Control
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <>

12. New metal polish

13. Re: Transmission leak

14. Installing ignition dist

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:28:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Richard W. Schauer" <>
Subject: Re: Lexan or Plexiglass windshields

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Walter wrote:
> The same goes for tinting windshields.  One of the reasons why it
> is illegal to tint an entire windshield is that it will make the glass too
> strong and could cause more injury to your head than the government would
> like to see happen in an accident.  On all windshields near the top, there
> is a little line on one side marked, "A_S" or something to that effect.  On
> my Delorean with OEM windshield, it's on the upper left.  The little line
> next to this lettering denotes the legal limit to where window tinting can
> be put.

Not quite.  The tinting doesn't change the strength of the glass; the law
says that you can't have anything other than clear glass in front of you
for visibility reasons (this is also why it's illegal to hang things from
your rear view mirror), except that a six-inch maximum strip at the top
may be tinted against the sun.  The line is actually marked AS1 with a
down arrow, and if you'll note the tinting actually ends a bit before it
(i.e. not even a little bit of tinting beyond it).  The AS number refers
to the amount of tint in the glass; the side windows are AS2 which is very
slightly tinted.  "Tinted" tinted windows are usually AS3, which is
usually as far as is used for windows that are designed to be looked out
of.  The scale goes up to AS6, which is almost opaque.

Richard Schauer


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:19:56 -0700
From: Trevor L Johnson <>
Subject: Chance meetings at a car show

I took my car to the Battle of Britain 60th anniversary car show at the
Santa Monica Airport, and I was very surprised to find TWO people who
both worked on the car, and for JZD. The first man claimed to have
designed the luggage rack and knew exactly why the car needed one, and
quite a few facts that most don't know about the car. This lead me to
believe him. The second Guy I meet said that he worked on the design
process for the car, he never did state which part of the car he helped
with. I was very surprised to have meet anyone, let alone two people who
worked on the car. I didn't win anything which was kind of a downer
considering that it was one of the nicest cars there, AND we got the most
attention of all the cars at the show, but... it was worth it.

Trevor Johnson
#4055 and 6974
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:38:15 -0400
From: "W.D.SEARLS, JR." <>
Subject: Re: Delorean for sale, Toronto

How much are you asking and what color interior?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Shannon Larratt <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:50 PM
Subject: [DML] Delorean for sale, Toronto

> 1983 Canadian (Metric) model Delorean
> 41k KM, stock with radio. Only addition is microwave alarm system.
> Nothing wrong with it. Perfect interior, no cracks on dash, etc. etc.
> All receipts. New struts, new battery, net clutch.
> The car is currently at Autoforum at Islington and Norseman.
> Call (416) 234-9900 and ask for Jeff.
> Shannon
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shannon Larratt                      
> Exotic Kit Cars               
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:54:56 -0500
From: Jim Reeve <>
Subject: 30,000 mile maintenence

This winter, I'll be slowly conducting some 30,000 mile maintenance on
my DeLorean.  On my list is...

Plugs, Wires, Cap, Rotor
Oxygen Sensor, Reset LAMBDA counter
Fuel Filter, Air Filter
Cooling System flush, replace all hoses
AC and Alternator Belt

Also what I found when looking at factory recommendations was change the
transmission fluid.  Is there any type of fluid that works best?  Or
should I not even bother doing this? (I remember reading a while back
that there may be leaks if the seal in the fill/drain plugs are opened,
is this true?)

On my msc. list is getting a MSD Ignition Coil, Stainless Header bottle,
and stainless heat shields.

I have a basic knowledge of automotive workings, basically just enough
to do all of the listed above myself, but I do have two more questions.

The manual also states to adjust the ignition timing.  I have never done
this, nor have I really looked into it.  Is this something that could be
easily done with basic knowledge if I just read up on it a little more,
or is this something I should have done by a real mechanic?

And finally, I've heard a lot of talk on the list recently about the
Impulse Coil.  This is the first time I've hear of this, and I couldn't
find too much info on this in the parts/workshop manual.  Since i'm
going to have the intake removed this winter, I'm going to have some
pretty easy access to the distributor.  Should I replace this part, or
not worry about it?  Sorry for the length, but I always like getting
things done right the first time.

Thanks for everyone's help.
<PS> The damage to my left front fender was estimated at $650.  Much
better than I originally thought!  Just wanted to let a couple of the
curious ones know.
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
'81 DeLorean-#6960


Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:03:05 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: re: Lexan or Plexiglass windshields

Dave is correct, we no of no delimitation problems with replacement DeLorean

On the subject of Plexiglas or Lexan windshields; the use of any material
other than "laminated tempered safety glass" fitted to the front windshield
of any passenger or commercial motor vehicle sold in the USA is illegal.
This same law applies in most countries outside the US.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Stragand <>
To: eGroups Digest <>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: [DML] re: Lexan or Plexiglass windshields

> Claude wrote:
> > From what I understand most of the remaining NOS windshields have a
> > problem with delimanation(TRUE FACT) and as such,can a windshield be
> I just purchased an NOS windshield from Houston, and it has not
> delaminated at all.  The only windshields I have ever seen delaminate
> while in storage are from late 1950's/early 1960's cars.  I do not
> believe that this has ever been a problem with the DeLoreans.  In fact,
> while at Cleveland this summer there were over 100 D's there, and I
> didn't see any with bad windshields.  Where are you getting your
> information from?
> -Dave Stragand
> VIN #05927


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:43:56 -0000
From: "Claude " <>
Subject: Plexiglass windshield and a alternative to goop adhesive for windshields

They both scratch very, very
easily. In fact, just running your windshield wipers on a windshield
with a small amount of dust on it would permanently ruin the piece.
They don't crack easily, granted -- that's why Lexan and Plexi are 
in high-vandalism and/or high impact areas such as hockey arena glass.
However, if you take a look at any of these installations, you will 
how easily it's scratched. Plexi can be scratched with a fingernail,
and Lexan with a key. Just imagine the gouges your windshield would
have after an hour of highway driving where your glass is continually
pelted by small pebbles.

I never thought about the scratch issue,some very good replys about 
using,plastic windshields,again I was going to do it for the short
term reason,but after reading about the cons with using plexiglas or 
lexan for windshields,I will just stick with good old glass for a 
windshield,I do have one new windshield hanging around but I had 
planned to use it for Vin #000570(I cracked the windshield by 
accident,always pad your windshield if you have a storage area above 
your stored cars,(the car was covered by a thin car cover)but I will 
use it for the (red)painted car.

Also I have found that you do NOT have to use that expensive oil 
based crummy windshield adhesive,I replaced a windshield on one of my 
cars (a GM product) and I used Red Devil Brand Adhesive Sealant 
called, Lifetime(water based) that is Siliconized Acrylic,(BLACK)and 
I did that over two years ago and it works like a charm!!The beauty 
about it is that it is Water Cleanup,so that any residue can be 
cleaned up without any fuss,and it works just as GOOD or Better that 
that oil based goop that we call windshield adhesive it has SPEC 230 
Performance,AND you can buy it at any Home Depot Store,and it is 
UNDER $2.00 a tube(10.1 Fl.Oz  300Ml.)I think I used about two or 
three tubes.Guaranteed to last a life time.



Message: 7
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:41:29 -0400
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: bad DMC to Lotus Espirit windshield x-reference

**** Moderator's Note ****
This is the last post on Esprit/DMC windshield cross reference.
I have one of each and the windshields are definately different.

Is the Delorean windshield unique to the Delorean, or is there another make
of car that also uses this windshield?

If y'all are interested in Delorean cross-reference lists, here's an
interesting one.  This is hosted by Luke

This is where I got the info on the Lotus Espirit windshield.  But according
James Espey and Dave Stragand, this is wrong.

Of course you all realize that if it's on the internet, then it must be
true.  Right?

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:35:55 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Transmission leak

The most common leak areas in the auto transmission is at the two connector
plugs for the computer governor. Leaking O-ring seals are most responsible
for these leaks.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:15 PM
Subject: [DML] Transmission leak

> I recently purchased a delorean where the previous owner had a slight
> transmission leak. A local shop told him that the leak was in the
> fluid delivery system and it wasn't their area of expertise. Does
> anyone know if this can be fixed or pluged. It's a small leak but
> anoying.


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:51:29 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: JZD: "What controversy?"

This is mostly old news, but I am posting three quotes from today's
Chicago Sun Times because I think many DML subscribers will find JZD's
words to be amusing and interesting  The whole article is here:

        DeLorean was arrested by the FBI in Los Angeles in
        1982 and charged with attempting to help finance a
        cocaine-selling operation, with profits presumably to be
        used to rescue his failing car company. He later was acquitted.

       "What controversy?" DeLorean said with a laugh during the
        interview, when asked if that incident would handicap raising
        funds for his ventures.
        DeLorean said he has formed DeLorean Time LLC, a
        company that will "design and distribute innovative,
        limited production runs of items such as watches and sunglasses.

        "There is a big market for artifacts with my name on it," he
        "We've handled it all before," DeLorean said when asked about
        his expertise in building cars. "We're shooting for a weight of
        1,450 pounds with my mass-produced car. It'll have gullwing
        doors like the DeLorean sports car.  I really like those doors."

Note that JZD himself refers to our cars as "The DeLorean Sports Car,"
not the DMC 12.  Years ago when I titled my car, the state of Ohio told
me they do not recognize DMC 12 as a model, but they do recognize
DeLorean Sports Car.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:57:16 -0000
From: " " <>
Subject: Re: Transmission leak

You did not mention if it is a manual or automatic. Assuming it is an 
automatic a common area of leakage is the shift cable itself. If that 
is the problem then call P.J. Grady and they have a way to stop it 
from leaking. Other less likely areas are the seals for the wiring 
connecter and the switch.The pan gasket is easy and so is the vacum 
modulater and "o" ring for the dipstick tube.  Also check where the 
hoses connect to the cooler. Any 
other leaks will require removal of the trans,final drive, torque 
converter unit.In the meantime make very sure you always keep the 
correct fluid level up with dexron II. You will wipe out the clutches 
in short order if the trans is low on fluid. Also check the level in 
the final drive, many of the units I have seen were very low.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

> I recently purchased a delorean where the previous owner had a 
> transmission leak. A local shop told him that the leak was in the 
> fluid delivery system and it wasn't their area of expertise. Does 
> anyone know if this can be fixed or pluged. It's a small leak but 
> anoying.


Message: 11
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:18:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Cruise Control

I just recently installed a Dakota Digital Cruise Control
System.  Unfortunately I dont' have the pictures developed yet. 
It was very easy to install & it looks really good (or I think
so).  The nice thing about this kit is that DD gives you the
option of what type of controller to use.  I chose the "Dash
Mount" switch, and mounted it next to the dash dimmer.  Since
the color is gray, it fits very well with the car (my car is a
gray car).  

One point that I would mention was the routing of the throttle
cable and the possible problems surrounding mounting it.  I had
to run my cable around the "front" of the engine (really the
very back of the car).  By doing this, I was able to get a
straight in position on the cruise control cable.  

I have driven the car for about two weeks, checking the throttle
on a regular basis to be sure that it was not coming out of the
groove & causing a potential hazzard.  I am happy to report that
all is well with it.  

As soon as I get some pictures available I will post them on my
website.  If you have any other questions, please let me know

Ben Boatright
VIN 10115

--- " " <> wrote:
> david
> You were at Richmond with us and I saw 3-4 Deloreans with
> cruise 
> control. That seemed unusual to me to see that many also when
> you 
> looked close, most were very sloppily installed and were not 
> functioning. Be very careful how you select and install
> because done 
> incorrectly it can be rather dangerous (It could jam the
> throttle in 
> the open position).Some of the linkages I observed were rather
> "Mickey 
> Mouse" in my opinion.I have seen very professional looking 
> installations also so it can be done. I will try to get
> details on
> the 
> better looking jobs.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> --- In, David Sontos <dsontos_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> > Now this is one topic I thought would be covered extensively
> in the
> > archive's but was surprised to find only vague references.
> > 
> > I am looking to install a cruise control on my DeLorean this
> fall. I
> > tried Pep Boys, Advance Auto, and Auto Zone and they all
> have only 
> the
> > one style(the same one) which seems to apply only to cars
> 1992 and
> > above. I know several years ago I bought one at Sears for
> one of my
> > other cars but I believe Sears stores no longer carry
> automotive
> > accesseries.
> > 
> > Question: If you recently installed a cruise control on your
> car 
> where
> > did you get it, how much was it, & did you install it
> yourself.
> > 
> > Dave Sontos
> > vin 02573
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:35:35 EDT
Subject: New metal polish

For those of you who love to polish on your stainless (like I do), I found a 
nice polishing liquid at a local car show on Sunday.  It is called "Green 
Stuff Metal Polish."  I allowed the gentleman to demonstrate his polish on my 
D, which was already highly polished, and he managed to make it look even 
better.  He does have a website with other products for sale as well.  Check 
it out at

Note:  I am in no way affiliated with this man or his company.  I have not 
purchased his product either, but the demonstration has me thinking about it. 

Darren Decker
VIN 5000


Message: 13
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:51:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Transmission leak

Here's a neat little trick to tell if you are leaking transmission fluid or
engine oil (both can look similar on a garage

Put a sample of the leaking fluid on a paper towel.  Put samples of engine
oil and transmission fluid on the same
paper towel.  Look at them under a black light.  They glow differently, so
you'll be able to match the leaking fluid.

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:40:47 EDT
Subject: Installing ignition dist

    I am fixing up a DeLorean which sat outside for a long time.  I am 
getting ready to install a new ignition distributor and was wondering if I 
have the right idea.  I am not that much of a mechanic and have never done 
this before, I just want my car to run again!
    Do I get the # 1 firing cylinder in the firing position and have the 
distributor rotor ponted at the small mark on the inside of the distributor 
housing? and then put the cap on it?  question, How do I get the #1 cylinder 
in the correct firing position?  what number should the mark on the pulley 
line up with? also, do I know what I am doing?  its very possible I don't.  
please let me know if that is the case and tell me the correct way:)  email 
me privately.