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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 246

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 30,000 mile maintenence
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

2. Re: Delorean for sale, Toronto
From: Shannon Larratt <toys_at_dml_PriceOfHisToys.com>

3. New DeLorean Book
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

4. Re: Digest Number 244
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

5. The Stiefel's
From: dga7782_at_dml_aol.com

6. Long trip...prepping a Delorean
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>

7. Re: Alternate Transmission 97 Delorean Time Machine
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

8. Re: Re: ABS Brakes Vs. Air bags.
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>

9. Re: DeLorean pre-purchase inspection
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Rattle in automatic transmission
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

11. Re: (Manual Tranny Fluid Change) 30,000 mile maintenence
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

12. Re: DeLorean pre-purchase inspection
From: Beer Here <drunk_at_dml_thegame.com>

13. Re: Re: Installing ignition dist
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

14. Re: Re: 30,000 mile maintenence
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

15. Re: Direct Hits Ignition System with MSD (was 30,000 mile maintenence)
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

16. alternator and tire questions
From: David Cox <dmcox_at_dml_inetworld.net>

17. DeLorean made
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: Alternate Transmission
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <tahoe98_at_dml_mindspring.com>

19. DeLorean on eBay
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

20. Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

21. Re: Alternate Transmission 97 Delorean Time Machine
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

22. Re: Installing ignition dist
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

23. Re: Rattle in automatic transmission
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

24. The 1 millon dollar Delorean/convertible Delorean...WOW
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

25. Re: Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:48:56 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: 30,000 mile maintenence

Jim, I'll throw in my 2cents worth. I have said before about how an 
electrical tune up can perk up the performance to the car. Electrical 
parts do wear out as well as break. Ignition coils will develop cold 
solder joints and corrosion then electrically open when they get hot. 
Replacing the coil is a good idea. Wires will get old and develop 
carbon tracks as well as the distributor caps and rotors. You might 
want to think about the plugs also. I' am offering some hotter plugs 
on my web site and will be experminting with them also. We used to do 
this all the time when i worked on corvetts and for the type of town
driving we were going with our De Loreans, I think the plugs are to 
cold. I'll probably catch flack over this, but i'm going up the line 
with hotter burning plugs. I will put more info on my website as soon 
as I can get permission from Bosch to copy the info. If not I will 
have to rekey it. Don't forget The Fan Fix, it to can increase 
performance. Let me know if I can help.
John
dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
www.specialTauto.com


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Jim Reeve <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> This winter, I'll be slowly conducting some 30,000 mile maintenance 
on
> my DeLorean.  On my list is...
> 
> Plugs, Wires, Cap, Rotor
> Oxygen Sensor, Reset LAMBDA counter
> Fuel Filter, Air Filter
> Cooling System flush, replace all hoses
> AC and Alternator Belt
> 
> Also what I found when looking at factory recommendations was 
change the
> transmission fluid.  Is there any type of fluid that works best?  Or
> should I not even bother doing this? (I remember reading a while 
back
> that there may be leaks if the seal in the fill/drain plugs are 
opened,
> is this true?)
> 
> On my msc. list is getting a MSD Ignition Coil, Stainless Header 
bottle,
> and stainless heat shields.
> 
> I have a basic knowledge of automotive workings, basically just 
enough
> to do all of the listed above myself, but I do have two more 
questions.
> 
> The manual also states to adjust the ignition timing.  I have never 
done
> this, nor have I really looked into it.  Is this something that 
could be
> easily done with basic knowledge if I just read up on it a little 
more,
> or is this something I should have done by a real mechanic?
> 
> And finally, I've heard a lot of talk on the list recently about the
> Impulse Coil.  This is the first time I've hear of this, and I 
couldn't
> find too much info on this in the parts/workshop manual.  Since i'm
> going to have the intake removed this winter, I'm going to have some
> pretty easy access to the distributor.  Should I replace this part, 
or
> not worry about it?  Sorry for the length, but I always like getting
> things done right the first time.
> 
> Thanks for everyone's help.
> <PS> The damage to my left front fender was estimated at $650.  Much
> better than I originally thought!  Just wanted to let a couple of 
the
> curious ones know.
> -- 
> Jim Reeve <Ultra>
> '81 DeLorean-#6960
> http://www.dmcultra.com
> AIM-Ultra2169




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:49:14 -0400
From: Shannon Larratt <toys_at_dml_PriceOfHisToys.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean for sale, Toronto

At 10/2/00 11:38 PM -0400, you wrote:
>How much are you asking and what color interior?

I have no idea what's being asked, I think just over $20k CDN (about $14k US I think).
The interior is gray.

         Shannon


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Shannon Larratt                                toys_at_dml_priceofhistoys.com
Exotic Kit Cars                         http://www.PriceOfHisToys.com/




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:47:36 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: New DeLorean Book

Dear list ('s)
As some of you will I am writing a book, working title, "DeLorean, The
Stainless Steel Legacy", it will be upbeat, mainly viewed from a British
perspective, 20 years on.
 It was originally only going to be about the Right Hand Drive cars, but I
have decided to broaden it out to cover other areas, including "the cars
left behind", the one's that never made it to the USA, and many that
did...and then came back again.
Another section will be on "oddballs" breakdown trucks D's, wrecked one's
scrap (parts) cars, abandoned one's etc.from all around the world,
especially the USA.

THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN
I need good quality origanal photo's of some of these unusual D cars, an
email photo inittialy would be fine, then followed later by a good
conventional print, via "snailmail". All contributions used in my book will
eventually receive a free signed copy.

INFO. I need to know from the U S A how many cars (approx) are still
around..my guess is that about 8000 made it over there and some 6000 still
survive..can anyone comment on this?

Anecdotes/ stories..any interesting stores about the man, the car, the
dealers, trips, etc ., indeed anything DeLorean related would be greatly
appreciated. If you want to see your photo's /stories cars featured in my
book...get moving!

If someone could privately email a contact address for Mr. DeLorean, since
he moved house, I would greatly appreciate it.

Email me privately if appropriate...but if your comments are of general
interest please use the list (s).

  chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net      www.delorean.co.uk

Chris Parnham.
14 Quarndon Heights,
Allestree, Derby.
England UK.
DE22 2XN                    vins 5638/12176/?  Hon. Sec. DOC UK




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:20:32 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 244

I have never known of an sort of major engine failure (in the UK) ....bits
and bobs like the occasional water pump, exhaust manifold gaskets, the odd
electrical sensor, some early alternators, but the "MAIN LUMP" is one of the
most reliable and dependable engines ANYWHERE. I have been into Classic Cars
for over  40 years, after a fleet of  Jags, Austin's, Morris's, Triumphs,
MG's etc. I regard the DeLorean sports car as the "Ultimate classic".
 I used get so fed up with  laying on by back repairing body rot, paintwork
and unreliable mechanics. During  the last 4 years that I have been into
DeLoreans, all I need to worry about is regular preventative maintenance,
cleaning and polishing...I Love them....  Live the dream!

Chris P.   Hon. Sec. DeLorean Owners Club UK.

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From: <rbrogren_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:03 PM
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 244


> As my kid would say: This is an awesome group! I have never seen anything
> like it before!
> I have had a number of sports cars over the years, rallyed, raced etc.
> Presently I own a -72 Porsche 711T and a -76 MGB, none of which gives much
> crature comfort, although they are fun to drive. I have always thought
that
> the DeLorean was a great car but didn't look at one closely until quite
> recently. I was totally sold on it and has convinced the present owner
that I
> will be a good caretaker of his jewel. A sale is on the horizon.
> This brings me to my question:
> My last four everyday cars were Volvo's (still have my last). My second
had
> the "French" engine, the same as in the DMC 12. In the first few years of
use
> of that engine Volvo had problems with the camshafts, where evidently
several
> batches had been produced with the wrong heat treatment, resulting in
rapid
> and severe spalling of the lobes under certain conditions (frequency of
> oilchange being the main one). I had several battles with both the dealer
and
> the Volvo District Rep and the case wasn't resolved until I contacted
Volvo
> in Sweden about the two sets of camshafts that I had to replace. (About
$3000
> each time, although Volvo finally agreed to pay for both jobs.) After that
I
> woved never to buy a car again with a French made engine in it.
>
> Has there been any evidence that the same crankshafts found their way into
> any of the DeLorean engines?
> If so, I may have to reconsider being one of the choosen few!
> Roger Brogren
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:08:04 EDT
From: dga7782_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: The Stiefel's

Hi:

I'm trying to contact one of the Stiefel's who are on the DML.  Can't find 
your correct e-mail address.  Please contact me by e-mail.  

Thanks!

Kevin



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:56:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <gzen21_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Long trip...prepping a Delorean

Hi folks, 
  I just got word I will be in Montgomery, AL(Maxwell AFB) for a month TDY.
I am leaving Scott AFB, IL next week for the 500mile journey. I'mm thinking
about taking the Delorean(now that everything works).
   First of, all I have pre-checked the car but is there anything special I
need to check? All tires, hoses, belts look OK. All fluid level OK--car is
not leaking anything--car runs great as I do drive it several times a week.
Anything you can think of that I am missing? Also, what should I have in my
emergency kit in the trunk for the journey?
  Also, are there any people enroute that could lend a hand if things go
wrong? I will be going to Nashville via I-64, I-57, then I-65 S thru
Birmingham to Montgomery. I'll check the Delorean Directory...
Anyone in Montgomery want to get together while I'm there? Thanks for your
help.

Nate
  
Nathan E. Green
gzen21_at_dml_excite.com

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:50:23 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Alternate Transmission 97 Delorean Time Machine

The 4 speed automatic overdrive transmission in the 97 Delorean Time
Machine is the next generation ZF transmission.,   The D used the ZF 3 ,
I used the ZF 4.  The actual model number is 4 HP 22 E.  The 4 means 4
speeds, the HP mean hydrodralic clutch pressure, the 22 is the clutch
diameter and horsepower capability and the E means electroninc selenoid
control.

The transmission is from an 89 Porsche Carrara.  It included the torque
converter and bellhousing( a must get part) and the shift lever which
fits the D almost perfectly. Also get the starter.

Cost s/b about $3,000 -3,500.

the most challeging part of this transmission is the computer to control
it.  I had Felpro build me a custom one.  because this trans is wired
opposite of american cars.  Common positive switching grounds.

However, if i was to do this again I would rewire the trans to a
negative common just like American transmission and use the readily
availabe after market computers.  about $1,000.

Next you need the custom adapter plate from Kennedy engineering about
$400. to mate the trans to the engine.

Next you need custom brackets to mount the trans in the car.  You have
to get rid of the manual trans brackets on the frame.

Next you need to install a transmission cooler and the high pressure
lines to the front of the car.  Add abou $250.

Lastly, you need to supply the labor for installation.  probably about
80 hours.

It a big job, but the 4 gears a really fun to play with and if mated to
a V-8 you will challenge the best of them out there.!!!

bob






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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:13:13 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs_at_dml_flash.net>
Subject: Re: Re: ABS Brakes Vs. Air bags.

David,

It was funny you should mention air bags for the D.  We seriously
investigated doing this to the 97 D.  However, we wanted to use the safer
dual pressure air bags from the 74-76 full size GM cars.  We managed to get
2 complete air bag set ups drive and passenger.

However, the Ds air bag design ( there were 2 car built and tested for
DOT)  have the passenger air bag coming from on top of the dash, just like
todays cars.  This is  an unsafe design in my opinion,  though considerably
cheaper and smaller than the dual pressure systems.

Some car manufactures are now going back to the dual pressure design
because it is safer.


We have been toying with the idea of building another 97 Delorean with out
the time machine stuff because the V-8 4 speed auto with real windows is so
much fun to drive. We would put at least a driver air bag in this car.

If dual pressure upper air bags are available in the future we would choose
that system.

Bob








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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:05:54 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean pre-purchase inspection

If you go to some of the Delorean vender's websites you will find 
checklists that they use when inspecting a car. One of the most 
important things that can be done besides a test drive is to get the 
car on a lift and inspect the undercarriage for rust. Rusted out 
sections of the frame can be one of the most expensive things to 
repair and will indicate the general condition of the car. If it's 
clean underneath then the rest of the car will generaly be in decent 
shape. You can also see if there was any body repair, They generaly 
don't try to hide the repairs from underneath.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, azelin242_at_dml_h... wrote:
> Hi all:
>   I'm in the market for a DeLorean right now, and I've got a few in 
> mind that I'm looking at. I've found them all through my own 
sources, 
> and they seem quite promising. I've looked at purchasing a few in 
the 
> past, and I've been researching them on the net for about 4 years. 
> I'd say I know quite a bit about them, but as most of you here are 
> seasoned owners, with a LOT of experience between you, I thought
you 
> might be able to help me out.
> 
> Can you give me any pointers on what to inspect on the cars when I 
> look at them? I have a substantial list of things here, but I'm 
> hoping you can give me a heads up on things that are commonly 
> overlooked. I've looked at buying 3 in the past, and I've driven
all 
> of them, so I'm not THAT much of a newcomer to the cars. Currently 
> I'm looking at 3 81's, all in great mechanical shape, and good 
> cosmetic shape. I won't give the exact price on them, but it's 
around 
> 12k. 
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Luke




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:17:56 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Rattle in automatic transmission

I was driving my car home when I noticed what sounded like a rattle in my
door.  I hit the breaks, and the rattle stops.  I repeat this several times
coasting with the door open listening to where the sound was coming from.
It was coming from the rear of the car.

I get the car home, put it up on jacks, take the rear wheels off and check
the breaks thoroughly.  They all look fine.  I run the car in drive with the
car on jack stands, and I don't hear the noise until I step on the breaks.
Then the transmission makes a clacking rattling sound every time I hit the
breaks.

I shut the engine off, crawl under the car and spin the rear wheels with the
car in neutral.  Turning one or both rear wheels either forward or backwards
produces a rattle in the front of the transmission.  Is this normal?  I've
never heard this kind of noise from the car before, so I'm not sure what to
expect.

I assume the rattle I hear in the transmission is the same rattle I first
heard driving the car home.

Any suggestions or comments?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:31:38 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: (Manual Tranny Fluid Change) 30,000 mile maintenence

For those who are wondering, my tranny is a five speed manual.  And 
if what DMC Joe said is correct for the 5-speed, I am very curious as 
to why all of the seals would need replacing, and I sure others are 
too.  Joe?

-- 
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
'81 DeLorean-#6960 5-Speed!
http://www.dmcultra.com
AIM-Ultra2169

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Jim Reeve <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> This winter, I'll be slowly conducting some 30,000 mile maintenance 
on
> my DeLorean.  On my list is...
> 
> Also what I found when looking at factory recommendations was 
change the
> transmission fluid.  Is there any type of fluid that works best?  Or
> should I not even bother doing this? (I remember reading a while 
back
> that there may be leaks if the seal in the fill/drain plugs are 
opened,
> is this true?)




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:57:23 -0500
From: Beer Here <drunk_at_dml_thegame.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean pre-purchase inspection

Luke,

I would say a good form to cover many different things would be the spec 
sheet at:
http://www.delorean.com/english/more/Downloads/downloads.asp
(Buyers Checklist)

This appears to be rather detailed and I would say it covers many of the 
'common' issues to look for.

**Side note: I could not remember where this form was located, and I 
went to Delorean-One. Under reconditioned they are saying 50k. What kind 
of recondition do you get for 50k... ouch. Beyond my pocket book.




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:58:05 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Installing ignition dist

To position the #1 cylinder at TDC, with the aid of an assistant, bump the
starter via the ignition switch or put the car in gear and push the car
until the crankshaft pulley #1 cylinder notch is lined up with the #1
cylinder plate notch. Reinstall the distributor by positioning the rotor
approximately 30 degrees clockwise of the #1 reference notch in the rim of
the distributor. (This is a somewhat complex procedure that should be
performed by individuals with some experience with automobile ignition
systems.)

Caution: VOLTAGES PRODUCED BY THE IGNITION SYSTEM CAN CAUSE A SEVERE
ELECTRICAL SHOCK, WHICH UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS CAN BE LETHAL.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

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From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:25 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Installing ignition dist


> In a message dated 10/3/00 11:55:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com writes:
>
> << Do I get the # 1 firing cylinder in the firing position and have the
>  distributor rotor pointed at the small mark on the inside of the
distributor
>  housing? and then put the cap on it?  question, How do I get the #1
cylinder
>  in the correct firing position?  what number should the mark on the
pulley
>  line up with? ...email  me privately. >>
> (quote snipped)
> David,
> those are very good questions- I'd like to know the answer too. Please
post
> the responses to the DML.
>
> -Wayne
> 11174





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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:16:27 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 30,000 mile maintenence

Robert,

The Impulse Coil (impulse sender) is what Bosch calls the distributor
pick-up coil.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Rooney <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:32 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: 30,000 mile maintenence


> I admit that I'm not an ASE certified mechanic, and I am still
> learning. But I'm a little fuzzy on something here. I know what the
> ignition coil is, but what exactly is an impulse coil? Is that the
> wire that connects between the ignition coil and the distributor?
> Just wanted to clarify...
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585






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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:46:13 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Direct Hits Ignition System with MSD (was 30,000 mile maintenence)

Hey Walt, I don't plan on installing any kind of MSD control box, 
just a direct replacement coil to go under the cover in the engine 
compartment.  But along with my tuneup, I am getting a Direct Hits 
Ignition System.  I remember a while ago someone here put these in 
their DeLorean and was quite pleased.  When I read that, I decided to 
buy some for my car of the time, an '89 Ford Probe.  Unfortunately, I 
noticed no difference.  However, 1/2 a year later I put the same 
stuff (only designed for the different car) into my '91 Eagle Talon.  
I noticed an incredible difference on that car.  So I'm going to 
gamble and get this system (which includes plugs and wires) for part 
of my tuneup.  This will be along side the MSD coil, so even though 
there will be a 5 or 6 month gap between driving stock and driving 
the tuneup (we've got some pretty long winters here in Minnesota), I 
hope to notice an impressive difference.  For those of you who have 
no idea what I'm talking about, go to http://www.directhits.com, (no 
endorsment here, just giving out info).

Jim Reeve
'81 DeLorean #6960





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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Cox <dmcox_at_dml_inetworld.net>
Subject: alternator and tire questions

I hope this isn't to silly, but is there any way to tell which alternator I have?  I've looked it over as closely as possible (without actually removing it) and can't find any identifying marks or labels.



I've just had the car long enough to start to get used to driving it, but I have found that 20+ years of motorcycling has been unexpectedly helpful.

 You don't survive 20k+ miles/year on a bike unless you learn some good habits, and being accustomed to doing a quick head check before changing lanes is one of them.  I'm actually feeling comfortable about changing lanes in the D, now that I've figured out where to look through those side windows ;)  Beyond that though, the car is still a blast to drive, and I'm enjoying it immensely.



One other question: it still has NCTs on it.  I don't know if these are the original tires or not.  How long were these tires available?  With only 45k miles, I suppose it is possible that they are the original tires - can you get that kind of mileage from them?  When did they stop making them?  They are  still in good shape, but the tread is starting to get a bit thin.  I've considered the Yokohamas, but was wondering about any other possibilities?  Anyone got any something else that they like?  I know that there has been a lot of discussion of this in the past (yes, I've checked the archives - just wanted to see if there was anything more current), so feel free to email me privately at DMCox_at_dml_delorean.com



Thanks,

Dave

vin #16367

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:56:17 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean made

Is the exact number of DeLoreans made 8,583? More or less??

John Feldman
VIN 4275



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <tahoe98_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Alternate Transmission

Truth be known, I am also interested in the particulars on the
engine as well.  I am not looking to do something relatively
soon, but if I can get the details on the engine & transmission,
I would like to make note of it.  I can locate everything once I
have the details.  

If anyone has any of this engine/transmission info, please let
me know.

Regards,
Ben Boatright
VIN 10115

--- Dave Swingle <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm familiar with the guy that did the Porsche trans
> conversion - he
> probably has $10,000 in it due to the issues with developing a
> control
> computer. It was also mated to a Rover V8, not the Delorean
> engine. If you
> are looking for a way to save money this ain't it. Best bet if
> you really
> want an automatic is to trade cars or swap the trans you have
> for an
> automatic. Don't all the talk you will hear about the frame
> being different
> scare you, its not that big a deal.
> 
> BTW - the guy I mention above also has a "regular" DeLorean
> that he
> converted from manual to automatic  and he used a DMC trans to
> do it. He
> went with the Porsche trans on the time meahine car due to the
> horsepower
> requirement. The DMC trans is not the most robust thing in the
> world.
> 
> Bob Brandys is the person - he will probably reply to your
> post.
> 
> Dave (not moderating, but peeking ahead)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tahoe98_at_dml_mindspring.com>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:10 PM
> Subject: Alternate Transmission
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I am relatively new to the group, and I have a quick
> question.  I
> > recently (back in April) purchased a very good condition '82
> model
> > which is a 5-speed.  I also read an article by someone who
> upgraded
> > their transmission to a 5-speed manumatic from LG (who is
> the same
> > manufacturer of the original DeLorean transmission).  Just
> for
> > reference the article was about the DeLorean Time Machine &
> was
> > featured in DeLorean World.
> >
> > OK...here is my question:  Can anyone tell me what is the
> model of
> > the transmission featured here & where can I buy one.
> >
> > I have e-mailed several places (including some transmission
> dealers),
> > but have been unsuccessful in obtaining any information. 
> The major
> > problem is the "wierd" design of the transmission, but if I
> can get
> > some specs on it I would have better luck.
> >
> > Thanks for anyone who can provide information.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ben Boatright
> > tahoe98_at_dml_mindspring.com
> > VIN 10115
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:43:04 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean on eBay

Check this DeLorean out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=459503255&r=

0&t=0

The description reads: "excellent example of a pure supercar built in oct 81 
all books and records delivery avialable"

Maybe it has a turbocharger or something. The doors look a little down....

John Feldman
VIN 4275



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:36:30 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???

I have two funny stories I figured I would share with everyone.

Ok, while surfing the web for "Delorean parts" up comes this site 
called cool wheels. To my surprise they have the Delorean listed! I 
clicked on it and was transported to the Delorean parts page. Here 
comes the funny part; They list a "Sunroof wind visor" for the DMC. 
Now correct me if I am wrong, but the Deloreans did not come with 
sunroofs...right? I mean even if they did, that would be one hell of 
a small sun roof. I thought maybe someone out there would get a kick 
out of it. If you want to check it out, go to: www.coolwheels.com.

Oh and if you want to hear something else even funnier (the guys at 
DMC Houston got a kick out of this one) when I purchased my D the 
previous owner gave me a hood with a gas flap (the original one was 
damaged) The hood he gave me had tiny hole in it...very odd. I asked 
him what were the holes from he said "They guy who owned this hood 
before me put a Hood Scoop on it". I guess he wanted to air out his 
gym bag when he put it in the trunk. The things people will do.




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:42:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: Alternate Transmission 97 Delorean Time Machine

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Bob Brandys wrote:

> The transmission is from an 89 Porsche Carrara.  It included the
> torque converter and bellhousing( a must get part) and the shift lever
> which fits the D almost perfectly. Also get the starter.

I am of the opinion (untested) that if you prefer a manual transmission,
you could probably mate the Porsche G50 transmission, which was the manual
trans used in the same car.  Porsche transmissions are fairly standard, in
fact, and you could *probably* get almost any 911 trans to fit if you
wanted.  Of course you will have to adapt the clutch and shift linkage,
but you will be spared the computer issues.  (And you still need an oil
cooler) :}




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 01:48:49 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Installing ignition dist

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> To position the #1 cylinder at TDC, with the aid of an assistant, 
bump the
> starter via the ignition switch or put the car in gear and push the 
car
> until the crankshaft pulley #1 cylinder notch is lined up with the 
#1
> cylinder plate notch. Reinstall the distributor by positioning the 
rotor
> approximately 30 degrees clockwise of the #1 reference notch in the 
rim of
> the distributor. 

---- there's one more detail. You have to make sure that you are on 
the compression stroke (both valves closed) - it's a 4-cycle engine. 

Dave




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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 02:48:58 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Rattle in automatic transmission

I'm a little confused, first you said the rattle stops when you hit 
the brakes then you say it rattles when you brake. On the subject of 
the transmission noise first I would do as many external checks as 
possible. Some of the things to inspect are the following; all 
mounting bolts to the motor and the frame, the oil level in the final 
drive, the c-v joints and the bolts, trailing arm bolts, remove the 
cover and inspect the torque converter and the bolts to the flywheel, 
the fluid level in the trans. If you cannot find the cause externaly 
then you might have to consider removing the trans, final drive, 
torque converter unit because a rattling noise from the transmission 
is not normal and could be a sign that something is comming loose 
inside. A rattle comming from the front of the trans could be an
early 
sign that the c-1 clutch pack is broken. This is a common problem,
the 
c-1 drum is only spot-welded together and the spot-welds will break 
from a bad shift computer or driving very hard on the auto trans. 
Remove the pan and see if you find shiny metal particles. A small 
amount of friction materiel is normal but metal is not. You might
even 
see some metal particles on the dipstick but the magnet in the pan is 
supposed to catch them. If the fluid smells burnt then you wiped out 
the trans and it is time to pull it out.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> I was driving my car home when I noticed what sounded like a rattle 
in my
> door.  I hit the breaks, and the rattle stops.  I repeat this 
several times
> coasting with the door open listening to where the sound was coming 
from.
> It was coming from the rear of the car.
> 
> I get the car home, put it up on jacks, take the rear wheels off
and 
check
> the breaks thoroughly.  They all look fine.  I run the car in drive 
with the
> car on jack stands, and I don't hear the noise until I step on the 
breaks.
> Then the transmission makes a clacking rattling sound every time I 
hit the
> breaks.
> 
> I shut the engine off, crawl under the car and spin the rear wheels 
with the
> car in neutral.  Turning one or both rear wheels either forward or 
backwards
> produces a rattle in the front of the transmission.  Is this
normal? 
 I've
> never heard this kind of noise from the car before, so I'm not sure 
what to
> expect.
> 
> I assume the rattle I hear in the transmission is the same rattle I 
first
> heard driving the car home.
> 
> Any suggestions or comments?
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:45:21 -0000
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: The 1 millon dollar Delorean/convertible Delorean...WOW

Subject: The 1 millon dollar Delorean/convertible Delorean...WOW

(gleemed from the Chicago Sun Times)


Flamboyant John DeLorean, the former top General Motors executive who 
built the sexy 1980s DeLorean sports car with flip-up doors, says he 
wants to get back in the car business.

DeLorean said in a rare interview that he plans to build a limited-
production 1,250-horsepower sports car with a Ferrari chassis for 
about $1 million that will "outperform any street-legal auto in the 
world."

DeLorean said he also plans to make under-$20,000 cars with advanced 
ultralight construction powered by "maybe a Nissan or Chrysler V-6."

"We'd annually sell 30 to 40 of the costly cars, and from 120,000 to 
150,000 of the under-$20,000 autos, which would be partly designed by 
builders of lightweight airplanes," DeLorean said. "They'd be sports 
cars, coupes and convertibles. We'll sell through an Internet site 
and high-end dealers.

"Someone outside the country wants to build a plant for the cars, 
either here or outside the country, but I can't disclose that 
information," he added.


WOW!A 1 million dollar Delorean,with a Ferrari Chassis,I sure know I 
cannot afford that.A convertible Delorean...COOL...But..he still has 
that GM mentality of trying to produce and sell in high volume...His 
orignal downfall,I hate to say,but I wish him Luck! 


Claude
000570





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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:53:46 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???

I have heard many crazy stories at car shows.  I've heard the sunroof story
too.  A teenager told me that he used to have a Delorean and it came with a
small sunroof in each door.  He thought they were aftermarket.  I thought he
was telling a tall tale.  If they exist, maybe someone has some pictures?

Walt    Tampa, FL




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