Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 247

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There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Rattle in automatic transmission
From: "Walter" <>

2. Re: Alternate Transmission 97(tm) Delorean Time Machine
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <>

3. Re: Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???
From: "Phil F" <>

4. Lotus Esprit windshield
From: "Lynn Metz" <>

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:34:32 -0400
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: Rattle in automatic transmission

David T,

What I'm saying is that when the car is rolling forward, the transmission
rattles.  When I hit the breaks, the rattle stops.  That is when the car is
on the ground.

When I pick up the rear of the car and try the same thing, the transmission
still rattles when rotating the wheels by hand.  When running the engine at
idle with transmission in drive, the transmission clacks when I push the
break peddle.  Is this normal from a Delorean?

The mounting bolts look fine.
The c-v boots look good and the joints 'feel' okay as they turn.
The transmission fluid level looks normal and not burnt.  Shouldn't there be
an o-ring or gasket around the top of the dip stick or tube?  Sand from my
dirt driveway is getting in there even though the dip stick was seated
I don't know how to check the fluid in the final drive, so I'll look into
I haven't removed the cover on the torque converter, but this is not where
the rattle is coming from.  It sounds like it is coming from the front of
the transmission.
I looked at the trailing arm bolts, and I'm not really sure which ones those
are.  I suppose they are the ones going through a large rubber
grommet/spacer with some shims?  Those look fine.

I went to high school with a guy who has turned into a transmission expert.
I've had him rebuild transmissions before, and he has worked on Deloreans
before, too.  I discussed it with him, and he (of cour$e) says to bring it
in.  But first he is going to order a filter & gasket.  He says that he
shouldn't have any problem getting a filter even though people on the DML
say otherwise.

Once this noise started, I was about 1000 feet from home, so I just drove
gently the rest of the way home.

I'm wondering if I should have the car towed to the transmission shop.  I
don't want to cause more damage by driving it.

So transmission noises are definitely bad? (sigh)

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "J. Ben Boatright" <>
Subject: Re: Alternate Transmission 97(tm) Delorean Time Machine

Thanks for the details Bob.  I am seriously considering going to
something like this (if I can find all of the parts).  Just a
couple of other questions:  

1.  Do you know of any "aftermarket" computers for the
transmission.  For instance, does Felpro make one that might
2.  I know that you used a Rover engine.  Could you tell me what
the model is/what donor vehicle it might come out of.  

Thanks again.

Ben Boatright 
VIN 10115

--- Bob Brandys <> wrote:
> The 4 speed automatic overdrive transmission in the 97(tm)
> Delorean Time
> Machine is the next generation ZF transmission.,   The D used
> the ZF 3 ,
> I used the ZF 4.  The actual model number is 4 HP 22 E.  The 4
> means 4
> speeds, the HP mean hydrodralic clutch pressure, the 22 is the
> clutch
> diameter and horsepower capability and the E means electroninc
> selenoid
> control.
> The transmission is from an 89 Porsche Carrara.  It included
> the torque
> converter and bellhousing( a must get part) and the shift
> lever which
> fits the D almost perfectly. Also get the starter.
> Cost s/b about $3,000 -3,500.
> the most challeging part of this transmission is the computer
> to control
> it.  I had Felpro build me a custom one.  because this trans
> is wired
> opposite of american cars.  Common positive switching grounds.
> However, if i was to do this again I would rewire the trans to
> a
> negative common just like American transmission and use the
> readily
> availabe after market computers.  about $1,000.
> Next you need the custom adapter plate from Kennedy
> engineering about
> $400. to mate the trans to the engine.
> Next you need custom brackets to mount the trans in the car. 
> You have
> to get rid of the manual trans brackets on the frame.
> Next you need to install a transmission cooler and the high
> pressure
> lines to the front of the car.  Add abou $250.
> Lastly, you need to supply the labor for installation. 
> probably about
> 80 hours.
> It a big job, but the 4 gears a really fun to play with and if
> mated to
> a V-8 you will challenge the best of them out there.!!!
> bob
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:50:25 -0500
From: "Phil F" <>
Subject: Re: Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???

Dumb people do weird things to DeLoreans. :-(

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:36 PM
Subject: [DML] Sunroof?? Hood Scoop???

> I have two funny stories I figured I would share with everyone.
> Ok, while surfing the web for "Delorean parts" up comes this site 
> called cool wheels. To my surprise they have the Delorean listed! I 
> clicked on it and was transported to the Delorean parts page. Here 
> comes the funny part; They list a "Sunroof wind visor" for the DMC. 
> Now correct me if I am wrong, but the Deloreans did not come with 
> sunroofs...right? I mean even if they did, that would be one hell of 
> a small sun roof. I thought maybe someone out there would get a kick 
> out of it. If you want to check it out, go to:
> Oh and if you want to hear something else even funnier (the guys at 
> DMC Houston got a kick out of this one) when I purchased my D the 
> previous owner gave me a hood with a gas flap (the original one was 
> damaged) The hood he gave me had tiny hole in it...very odd. I asked 
> him what were the holes from he said "They guy who owned this hood 
> before me put a Hood Scoop on it". I guess he wanted to air out his 
> gym bag when he put it in the trunk. The things people will do.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 06:04:09 PDT
From: "Lynn Metz" <>
Subject: Lotus Esprit windshield

Maybe we can settle this.  Has anyone actually replaced their windshield 
with the Lotus one? (not stories - you actually doing it)  If we get no 
replies, then it is a myth.  (not that I don't trust James, but sometimes 
slight alterations can make things fit.)

> > This is where I got the info on the Lotus Espirit windshield.  But 
> > James Espey and Dave Stragand, this is wrong.
> >
> >Of course you all realize that if it's on the internet, then it must be
> >true.  Right

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