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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??
From: "Dale Schaub" <daleschaub_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. Re: Question about the Delorean Car Show..
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net

4. owners manual
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_compaq.net>

5. Update: Cleveland Driving Events
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

6. NY Auto Show Delorean
From: saintern <saintern_at_dml_peri.com>

7. NY Auto Show Delorean
From: saintern <saintern_at_dml_peri.com>

8. Maintenance Questions
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Re: owners manual
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

10. Re: Question about the Delorean Car Show..
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Maintenance Questions
From: "Dave Price" <davep_at_dml_stprint.com>

12. Re: Maintenance Questions
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com

13. RE: key slugs
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj_at_dml_Exchange.Microsoft.com>

14. Re: Maintenance Questions
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

15. muffler heat shield
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Yokohama Speed rating
From: Jim Reeve --Ultra-- <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:08:49 -0400
From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??

Reversing the wires is not recommended. I had the same problem as you, and
DMC Joe explained to me that when the wires are reversed, the motor could
cause a short circuit if anything metal touches it. It's unlikely that
anything would, but it is possible... especially if you are doing something
under there with a screwdriver.

Anyway, I have a better fix. It's a little more difficult, but extremely
effective. You don't have to switch any wires whatsoever. If you are
interested, let me know and I'll give you instructions.

---Dan


> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Stephen Jarvis <jarvist_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> > I have had a longstanding problem with the minimal volume of air
> coming from
> > the interior air vents even with the fan switch on the highest
> position. The
> > problem had once been diagnosed as the fan running backwards, and I
> finally
> [snip]
> > in the right direction? Or the wiring switched? Or is a new unit
> necessary??
>
> You can just reverse the wires. This was covered in several
> discussions a couple of years ago (search the archives on "blower"),
> but no one has mentioned it in a while. Apparently it's easy to hook
> it up backwards, and it often happens (blame the prior owner). No
> need to replace anything.
>
> Dave


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:01:30 -0700
From: "Dale Schaub" <daleschaub_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??

A vacuum line runs just in front of the engine and parallel to the fire
wall. If this vacuum line gets disconnected, the blower will actually feel
like it has reversed itself. This happened to me when I replaced the water
pump.

----- Original Message -----
Stephen Jarvis wrote:
> I have had a longstanding problem with the minimal volume of air coming
from the interior air vents...



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:15:10 -0000
From: heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: Question about the Delorean Car Show..


OK, I pretty much think I'm going to attend, with or without a car, 
but that raises another question:  I'll most likely be attending by 
myself, and would like a way to find any other D owners at the show 
who might have an empty seat they wouldn't mind sharing for the 
"cruises" around the city.  I suppose I'll have a rental car, but I 
can't see driving that around behind all the D's... ;)   

Ken, do you think there is any place/time to post/maintain a list of 
rides wanted/rides available?  If I do attend, I'd be happy to help 
coordinate such a list, assuming there are others in the same 
situation.

Also, which airport?

-Hank


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, kkoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I know of 4 for sale and they range in price 
> if nothing else all the major places that sell DeLoreans will be 
there and 
> you can talk to all of them and at least get some people looking
> Ther will probably be more for sale but as of now I know of 4
> 
> Ken



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:58:58 -0400
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_compaq.net>
Subject: owners manual

 I have never seen a 1982 owners manual. Did they print one or just reuse
the 81?

Cecil Longwisch
#10663
IL-  DMC1982



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:43:05 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Update: Cleveland Driving Events

Ken Koncelik said:

> Well I have kinda figured that out but poor Mike has been overwhelmed
> by the number of people going on the ralleys. I have asked Mike to try to
> post the times within a week or two and announce where he is going to
> end up Thursday night.

As Ken said, the response to the two driving events has been overwhelming.
Because of the large number of participants we have made a few changes from the
original plans.  The events keep getting better.

When you get your information in the mail, it will include a letter explaining
all of this.  But for those who are curious now, here is the plan:

THURSDAY EVENING: ORIENTATION TO CLEVELAND
Departing 6:00 - 7:30 PM

Thursday evening we have a short self-guided orientation to downtown Cleveland.
This should help make everyone comfortable with the area where they will be
spending their next three days.  It will depart from the Holiday Inn and end at a
secret location in The Flats, where we will have a private cocktail party
reception.  The cocktail party will have an open buffet of hot food (pizza,
chicken, etc.) and a cash bar.  We will have the room from 7:00 to 10:00.

The number of participants has exceeded the size of reservation any restaurant
will take, so we have done away with the buy-your-own-dinner plan.  Instead there
will be a fee of about $20 per person, collected at departure, which pays for the
party facility and buffet.  When you arrive at the party, secure parking is
another $5 per car.  In the end this should be more fun and less expensive for
everyone.

To participate, make sure you check the box for Thursday night on the
registration form.  On Thursday night, show up at the Holiday Inn (either in the
lobby or the driveway) any time from 6:00 to 7:30 PM.  Patti and I will be there
to collect your $20 and give you admission tickets and your orientation
materials, which will lead you to the cocktail party.  When you arrive at the
party in The Flats, other DCO members will be there to greet you.


FRIDAY: DRIVING TOUR / RALLYE
Departing 9:30 - 10:00 AM

The "Nobody Gets Lost Driving Tour and Rock & Roll Road Rallye" will depart from
the street behind the Great Lakes Science Center (very close to both hotels)
around 9:30 AM Thursday.  We have so many cars that it may take half an hour to
get everyone on the road, so please be patient.  The tour will involve about 90
minutes of driving in three 30 minute legs.  Stops include NASA Glenn Research
Center and the President James A. Garfield Memorial, plus lunch.

You should be back to your hotel around 3:00-4:00, leaving an hour or two free
before leaving for dinner at the Crawford.

Originally, we thought that about half the people coming to the Car Show would
want to take the Driving Tour, while the other half visited museums and went
shopping.  So far about 90% of you want to take the Driving Tour.  This means
there is going to be a VERY impressive fleet of DeLoreans crusing the streets of
Cleveland that day!  Be sure to bring a camera.

If registration keeps up this brisk pace, we may need to change the schedule a
bit so that everyone has time for lunch.  There is also the possibility that will
will need to cut off registration soon, so I recommend you send in your
registrations ASAP.  Stay tuned to the DML for updates.

The final information will be explained in the mailing you get from Ken.  When it
arrives, please be sure to read it.

If you have any questions about these two events please contact me.

- Mike Substelny



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:18:21 -0400
From: saintern <saintern_at_dml_peri.com>
Subject: NY Auto Show Delorean

Don't know if any of you guys made it out to the New York Auto
Show.......but believe it or not there was a Delorean there that was
getting much more attention then any of the new concept cars .....There
was an exhibition of important cars from the past and sure enough there
it was......They hade a huge blow-up mural in back of it of a picture of
the original Delorean stand at the show years ago and a small write up
of the car.......I was so surprised of the attention the car was
getting.....If anybody else on the list is going ...make sure to bring a
camera!!!!
-Donald Kazmark
vin 3541
www.geocities.com/dkazmark/



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:18:21 -0400
From: saintern <saintern_at_dml_peri.com>
Subject: NY Auto Show Delorean

Don't know if any of you guys made it out to the New York Auto
Show.......but believe it or not there was a Delorean there that was
getting much more attention then any of the new concept cars .....There
was an exhibition of important cars from the past and sure enough there
it was......They hade a huge blow-up mural in back of it of a picture of
the original Delorean stand at the show years ago and a small write up
of the car.......I was so surprised of the attention the car was
getting.....If anybody else on the list is going ...make sure to bring a
camera!!!!
-Donald Kazmark
vin 3541
www.geocities.com/dkazmark/



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:59:03 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Maintenance Questions

Group,

      Being a new owner, I am already having problems with my car. The 
brakes need a little help. Here is the problem. When I apply gentle, gradual 
pressure to the pedal, it will go almost to the floor, and then catch. Even 
then the grab doesn't seem very strong. Despite this, when quick, abrupt 
pressure is applied to the pedal, the brakes grab fine and hold strongly. 
What is this? Is my master cylinder going out? I need help. Where is the 
best place to take it...and DeLorean specialist or a local, common brake 
repair facility (ie Midas). Any info would help. Also, there is a fiber-like 
covering directly in front of the belts in the engine compartment. It is at 
the very front of the engine compartment when you are facing it. What the 
hell is this. Is it made of asbestos? I hope not. Mine has been shredded by 
a broken belt I think. Where can I get a replacement? Any info would help! 
Thanks!

Sean Spurlock
VIN #7003
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:33:13 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: owners manual

There are three different versions of the owners manual as far as I am aware.

The 1981 version is spiral bound along the top edge, and has actual 
photographs for the illustrations, whereas the 1982 version is 
"saddle-stitched" (folded sheets stapled in the fold) and has line 
drawings for illustrations.  The illustrations are printed in black 
and highlighted with a funky kind of yellow color. This is the 
version that is reproduced and sold by most, if not all, of the the 
major parts suppliers, though it is printed in black and white only.

There is a 1983 version, but I think it is almost exactly the same as 
the 1982 version, except that it is printed in one color for the text 
and illustrations.

There were different valets also for the 1981 and 82/83 models. The 
reproduction valet that we sell is for the 1981 models.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.usadmc.com

> I have never seen a 1982 owners manual. Did they print one or just reuse
>the 81?
>
>Cecil Longwisch
>#10663
>IL-  DMC1982



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:51:42 EDT
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Delorean Car Show..

The airport if you arrive is Cleveland Hopkins airport.  You really don't 
need a rental car .  Use the rapid transit that you can catch right at the 
airport and get off at the est 9th st stop.  This is less than a two minute 
walk.

Also there are a number of solo Delorena owners going so if anyone on this 
lis would like a passenger for the ralleys e-mail me and I will keep a list.  
I will not publish it but will keep track of who needs a ride and who will 
provide one.

If you can bring your car pleasee do 
Its hard to get 100 DeLoreans if they are left at home
I understand sometimes the distance or time is too much but if you can I 
would appreciate it

Ken



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:55:06 -0700
From: "Dave Price" <davep_at_dml_stprint.com>
Subject: Re: Maintenance Questions

> brakes need a little help. Here is the problem. When I apply gentle,
gradual
> pressure to the pedal, it will go almost to the floor, and then catch.
Even
> then the grab doesn't seem very strong. Despite this, when quick, abrupt
> pressure is applied to the pedal, the brakes grab fine and hold strongly.
> What is this? Is my master cylinder going out? I need help. Where is the

Sounds like master cylinder or air/water/dirt in your break lines ..
I'd try bleeding the system... if that doesn't work, you may have to replace
the cylinder (which is -very- easy to do) ...  I had the exact same symptoms
and after I replaced the cylinder, it was all OK. If you open up your fluid
reservoir (under the carpet in the trunk) and it's brown in there .. I'd get
a
new cylinder and bleed the system when you put the new one on ... when
I bled the system before replacing the cylinder, my brakes we virtually
non-operational... I think the gunk was acting like a seal inside the worn
cylinder.  I don't have any experience with having the brakes done at a
shop, but it's very basic for me (a non-mechanic) to do, so I'm sure any
shop could do it for ya....

> Also, there is a fiber-like covering directly in front of the belts in the
engine
> compartment. It is at the very front of the engine compartment when you
are
> facing it. What the hell is this. Is it made of asbestos? I hope not.

This is the muffler heat-shield .. it keeps your muffler from melting your
belts
or hoses or whatever ... I'm sure it's readily available and could probably
even be home-made from a sheet of heat-shield material... I think there was
a thread about a stainless steel replacement that someone had created,
although there was debate on how effective stainless was as a heat
retardant.
It sure would look nicer tho ;)

Good luck!

- Dave




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:03:32 EDT
From: iznodmad_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Maintenance Questions

Your brake problem sounds as if you have some air trapped in the lines.  Have 
you checked the fluid level of the brake master cylinder?  A brake system 
flush and air bleed is a good place to start.  Consult the technical manual 
for that procedure.  If that doesn't help, find a mechanic to help you out.  
Another possibility to check into is worn out calipers.  If your car sat for 
any extended period of time, the pistons in the calipers can stick which 
greatly reduces your stopping power.  Local owners around you may be able to 
steer you in the right direction.  If not, do a little calling around to find 
a mechanic you can trust.  

The fiber-like covering is a heat shield and you are right, it is asbestos.  
You can replace it with the same material or I believe there are other 
alternatives, such as stainless steel.  Check the dmcnews website for that 
info.  

Good luck!

Darren Decker
VIN 5000     


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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:17:52 -0700
From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj_at_dml_Exchange.Microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: key slugs

I was at Schmucks (Schucks) on Saturday and got a key made for my car.
The replacement was, mysteriously enough, a GMC key.  It works great.
Only cost $2.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fearer [mailto:mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 8:09 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
Subject: [DML] key slugs


 Hello, group. I would like to get some spare keys, ignition and locks,
made for my '81. Most of the locksmiths that I have visited have not had
slugs that they can reproduce my keys with. Does anyone on the list have
any slugs that they would like to sell? Alternatively, has anyone had
any
success getting DMC keys replicated at a third party location
(locksmith,
etc.)? Thanks...

--------------------------------------------------
Mark Fearer            vin 3072



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:51:19 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Maintenance Questions

Your sinking brake pedal may be caused by air bubbles in the brake lines.
Take your DeLorean to your local reliable auto repair or brake specialty
shop and ask them to bleed the brake lines.

The asbestos like item you are describing is the muffler heat shield part
no. 106931 available from us or your favorite DeLorean part supplier.

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>
.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Spurlock <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 3:59 PM
Subject: [DML] Maintenance Questions


> Group,
>
>       Being a new owner, I am already having problems with my car. The
> brakes need a little help. Here is the problem. When I apply gentle,
gradual
> pressure to the pedal, it will go almost to the floor, and then catch.
Even
> then the grab doesn't seem very strong. Despite this, when quick, abrupt
> pressure is applied to the pedal, the brakes grab fine and hold strongly.
> What is this? Is my master cylinder going out? I need help. Where is the
> best place to take it...and DeLorean specialist or a local, common brake
> repair facility (ie Midas). Any info would help. Also, there is a
fiber-like
> covering directly in front of the belts in the engine compartment. It is
at
> the very front of the engine compartment when you are facing it. What the
> hell is this. Is it made of asbestos? I hope not. Mine has been shredded
by
> a broken belt I think. Where can I get a replacement? Any info would help!
> Thanks!
>
> Sean Spurlock
> VIN #7003





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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:41:03 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: muffler heat shield


Group,

         Need to replace my muffler heat shield, but DO NOT want the 
original asbestos one. How is the stainless steel one? Any thoughts?


Sean Spurlock
VIN #7003
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:05:59 -0500
From: Jim Reeve --Ultra-- <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Yokohama Speed rating

I recently was searching through tirerack.com browsing for tires that
fit the size of the DeLorean. I came across the Yokohama AVS
Intermediate which we all know are the best tires currently available in
the stock sizes. But what I noticed was a speed rating on the 195/60 14
and 235/60 15 was "V" (149 mph). I always thought that they were "H"
(130 mph). Does anyone who has recently purchased these tires care to
say what the speed rating on their side wall is?  I know that a stock
DeLorean can't really get above 130, but modified ones can.  So this
just makes me curious and I'm sure owners of Turbo'ed and engine swapped
D's would like this too.
-- 
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/
AIM-Ultra2169


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