Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:15 AM
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 255

Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:

To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: lower link
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <>

2. Re: Stuck drivers side door
From: "DMC Joe" <>

3. Re: first problem - help please! (followup)
From: "Walter" <>

4. RE: first problem - help please! (follow-up)
From: "Doc" <>

5. Re: DMC12's in Australia
From: "Gregory M Scalia" <>

6. D for sale (not mine!) in NJ

7. DeLorean windshields
From: "Mike " <>

8. Plesent Experience(was Re: Delorean Image)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <>

9. Sad comment.
From: "Sternbach, William [IT]" <>

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:15:12 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <>
Subject: RE: lower link

John, I have a limited number of used lower links.  They are rather pricey,
but as you know new ones are not available.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680


Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:01:27 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: Stuck drivers side door

There are several causes for a non-opening door. The price for repair varies
depending on the complexity of the procedure combined with the total labor
time involved. As an example several common problem relate to adjustments
inside the door. Labor times for internal adjustments range from 30 min. for
a simple bellcrank adjustment to 3 hours to removal and replacement of the
entire lock and latch system.

If you have access to the car we can give you a couple of simple tests that
may help to determine the cause of the problem.


"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <>
Web Site: <>

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:48 PM
Subject: [DML] Stuck drivers side door

> I was offered a DeLorean today, in very good condition cosmeticly and
> mechanicly, but the seller informed me of one problem with the car.
> The drivers side door is locked in the shut position and won't open.
> Is this a common problem? I've heard about the solenoid problems, and
> I thought maybe it was that. Has anyone heard of this kind of thing
> before? Is it easy or hard to fix, and how much would it cost to
> repair?


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:23:03 -0400
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: Re: first problem - help please! (followup)


Go to DMC Joe's web site at
and download the picture he has there of the relay compartment.  It shows
where the relays are.  Try unplugging the 'cooling fans' relay and see if
the fans shut off.  If they do, then this relay is most likely stuck on.  I
know this because I once had to replace my relay with a fused jumper to get
the fans to work at all.  As long as the jumper was in place, the fans would
run whether or not the ignition was on.

You might consider replacing the relay with a heavier duty relay or better
yet a Fanzilla or John Hervy's relay modification.  In the mean time, try
striking the relay with the handle of a screwdriver to see if you can get it
to turn off.  If this works, then it is very likely that you won't get the
relay to reliably switch on again.  There simply is too much current going
to those fans, and the OEM relay is not heavy duty enough to provide it
without failing.

In the mean time, you might try disassembling the relay and cleaning the
contacts with some fine grit sandpaper.  I did this with my own car until I
could get a Fanzilla.  While you have the relay out of the socket, make sure
the socket hasn't melted and that the electrical connections are still good.

Hope this helps,
Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:25:59 -0400
From: "Doc" <>
Subject: RE: first problem - help please! (follow-up)

Cooling fans running all the time......I have had this problem when I first
purchased my Delorean and this is what I did to correct the problem.

In my case the otter switch was bad, it was stuck, closing the circuit which
in turn caused the fans to run all the time. I purchased a few new switches
from DMC Houston, but after a few days these switches would also fail,
resulting in the fans running all the time.(I contacted Houston about the
problem and they may have solved the problem with their switches) PJ Gradys
sells the Volvo otter switch which does work, but it does have a draw back.
It seems that the Volvo switch is not set for the same temp setting as the
Delorean. The fans will run longer getting the engine coolant at a temp that
will throw the switch to the off position.

I was able to locate a OEM Delorean otter switch last year and installed
same and have yet to have the problem reoccur. The OEM Delorean otter switch
may be a hard item to find, as the original stock has been exhausted, but if
you can find one it is the way to go. Maybe someone from the list can help
you locate one.

Part#100816. Also known as the thermostat switch.

If you go to page 6 of my web site you will find details on how to
locate...check ....and replace the

PS: I never experienced the fans running with the ignition switch in the off
position. You may have a different problem entirely.

Robert Starling


Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:58:32 +1000
From: "Gregory M Scalia" <>
Subject: Re: DMC12's in Australia

I have one in Brisbane.  There is one at the Gold coast, one in Sydney, One
in SA in a museum and one in Perth.   I believe another one was just brought
into Brisbane

----- Original Message -----
From: Webmaster - Michael Robinson <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: [DML] DMC12's in Australia

> Gidday.
> I was wondering if anyone actually knows anything about DMC-12's in
> Are they here, and if so, where and how much.
> Cheers,
> Mike.
> --
> Michael Robinson
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:


Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:43:04 EDT
Subject: D for sale (not mine!) in NJ

There's an '81 DeLorean for sale at Conte's Corvettes and Classics in 
Vineland, NJ (856-692-0087)
VIN 5696 with hood grooves, no flap.  Oct build. Body looks good ding-wise 
except a 4 inch crease at the edge of the hood. (Ouch.  Why do these things 
always seem to happen to the hood?)  "12,123 miles."   They say the speedo 
works.  Auto trans.  Gray interior in good shape, including seats, dash & 
binnacle.  Looks garage kept.  Fascias nice, but they don't have the greatest 
fit at the body... not sure why.  Maybe taken off for painting but not put 
back on right due to rusty mounting screws?  Oh, and it has the original 
front license plate bracket screwed as per factory directions right into the 
fascia.  Original wheels in good shape. Some cracks in the rear louver.    
Didn't get to see engine... engine cover is attached to a pair of locking 
pliers behind the seat.  I didn't want to mess with it since I'm not a 
potential buyer. Original header bottle, but not real yellowed- visible thru 
vent slots. Current NJ registration.  Overall, not concours but certainly 
worth looking at, if you're in the market for an auto trans D.  They're 
asking $14,900.  As I said, I have no personal stake in this car or the 
dealership, just passing it along to the list.



Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:12:43 -0000
From: "Mike " <>
Subject: DeLorean windshields

Hello List,
 I recieved a phone call the other day from my cousin who works at 
PPG glass in Los Angeles.
He informed me that PPG had bought out a company called Viracon.
So Viracon is spreading out allot of their old invetory to PPG 
And in the mix of windshields he recieved was 4 DeLorean windshields.
Viracon made aftermaket windshields for the DeLorean. I purchased one
windshield through my cousins discount, and got it for $52.00.
There are three windshields left there. If anyone knows someone who 
owns a glass shop in the area you can probably obtain the remaining 
3. PPG works like this, they give better discounts to their regular 
customers. If you can manage to get them to sell you one direct, the 
range would be anywhere from $105. to $200. 

 Another piece of information I recieved is the Delorean is in there 
database. And found out that Viracon ( believe in 
Ohio has 14 more DeLorean windshields in there inventory.
So if you need a windshield I wouldn't hesitate to get them.
My cousin also told me that when these types of windshields sit in 
there warehouse for a long period time, they destroy them.
I am not quite sure if viracom still produces them anymore.
Good luck to you all.

P.S. The spare windshield I have is not for sale, and please don't 
e-mail me asking to obtain any other windshields through me.

Mike Vin#1113


Message: 8
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:38:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <>
Subject: Plesent Experience(was Re: Delorean Image)

On 12 Oct 2000 13:45:52 -0000, wrote:

>  Last weekend a friend told me that he had found a DeLorean that was 
>  for sale near my house. He asked me to go along with him to take a 
>  look at the car for him because he was interested in purchasing the 
>  car for himself....What changed his mind 
>  was when he placed a call to DeLorean One. When he called yesterday, 
>  Ed answered the phone. All he said was that he had was looking at a 
>  car that appeared to have some serious transmission problems. And in 
>  the worst case, what would it cost to rebuild and/or replace the 
>  transmission entirely? And Ed's response as he interrupted him 
>  was: "Well, I have a PAYING customer in front of me right now, so 
>  goodbye." And he then hung up on him. I don't recommend that anyone 
>  go out and purchase a DeLorean, because it is alot of responsibility. 

  I have a story also. I had a problem with my cooling fans.(The first
problem since I got my D as a 1st time owner) I thought it was a fan relay
problem. Called two Delorean places, got put on hold or the service refused
to help me if I didn't know the exact part I needed.(Names of the
establishments are witheld so there is no feeding frenzy).
  Then I called Don Steger at DMC in CA. He was very plesent. He helped me
troubleshoot the problem and even handled a couple followup phone calls.
Turned out to be a bad fan circuit breaker. An EXTREMELY pleasent
experience. Kudos to you Don. You will always be the #1 person I will call
when I need parts/advice. I definently recommend others do the same. Don
knows what quality means and he deserves business because of it.  

Nathan E. Green

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"

Say Bye to Slow Internet!


Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:04:22 -0400
From: "Sternbach, William [IT]" <>
Subject: Sad comment.

I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from all
of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes &, Borders,, etc).

They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
and are unavailable.

This is sad, because it makes me feel like the world has forgotten about
John Delorean.  He is in his mid 70's in quiet retirement.
All books about him have also been retired and are out of print.
The 20 year old cars that were his legacy are slowly dying due to rust
in their frames and parts scarceness, and are stil worth $10,000 less
than when they were purchased new.

I hope it is ok that I make these sad comments.

- W. Sternbach