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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Destroying the DeLorean image.
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: Sad comment.
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

3. Re: Sad comment?
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Sad comment.
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

5. RE: Sad comment.
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>

6. Re: Sad comment.
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

7. Re: Sad comment.
From: Jack Janney <fastride_at_dml_mciworld.com>

8. DMC (RHD) For Sale in Australia
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

9. Re: DMC-12's In Australia
From: "Webmaster - Michael Robinson" <webmaster_at_dml_michaelrobinson.cjb.net>

10. Door open light
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

11. Fw: Get together
From: "E. Randell Stribling" <estribl1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

12. Re: Re: I broke my own speed-o-meter :-(
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

13. New DeLorean movies??
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com

14. need frequency valve help
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

15. Re: Hidden treasure-Good Delorean Story
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

16. Re: Sad comment.
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

17. Re: Sad comment.
From: "Richard Petrie" <juffo7_at_dml_hotmail.com>

18. Re: Sad comment.
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

19. NC DMC FOUND!!!!!
From: "Louie Golden" <louiegolden_at_dml_mailcity.lycos.com>

20. Delorean wanted in Las Vegas If you have or know of one tell me
From: stits_at_dml_lvcm.com

21. Autofest
From: spooky312_at_dml_aol.com

22. Re: Door open light
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

23. San Diego Deloreans
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>

24. Re: need frequency valve help
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:33:06 HST
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Destroying the DeLorean image.

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread has run it's course again. I'd be happy
to post messages that focus on positive experiences with various
suppliers. Please note Dan's call for tolerance.]


I really don't want to start a war on this issue as it has gotten ugly in 
the past. But I too have a "first-hand" experience that supports this claim. 
I feel that this needs to be said. This happened to me.

When I was in the market for a DeLorean almost 3 years ago, I was 
considering a specific car (which I did buy by the way). Well, I wrote down 
the problems I saw with he car, and then I called D1. At that time, I knew 
almost nothing about the car and the vendors. I was not on any list, nor was 
I a member of any club. In a sense, I was virgin to the DeLorean community 
:-). I needed some guidance and some advice on what to do. I saw D1's ad in 
Hemmings and the 800 number was something like dmc-help. So, I figured, 
great... "help"! Someone will "help" me. So I called. A man answered and I 
asked for some prices on parts. He then asked me for a Vin number. I said I 
didn't have it because I didn't buy the car yet. He asked me to get it for 
him and call him back. I said the car was over 40 minutes away from me and I 
couldn't get there anytime soon. I also questioned why a vin number was 
necessary since all DeLoreans were basically the same... "aren't they?" He 
said they weren't and he needed a vin to help me. I replied saying that some 
parts I needed must've been standard; for example, the louvers. He yelled at 
me saying to call him back when I had a vin#. Then he hung up on me. I was 
mortified. I called back immediately asking for his supervisor. He replied 
yelling, "I'M ED BERNSTEIN AND I'M THE OWNER OF THIS COMPANY!" A few other 
unpleasant words were exchanged and then he hung up again. At that point I 
seriously considered not getting into the DeLorean community. Slightly 
shaken, I next phoned Bob Miller, who was also was listed in Hemmings. We 
spoke of my unfortunate phone encounter and he insisted that not all 
DeLorean vendors were like that. He gave me the number to PJ Grady up in NY. 
Again, scared out of my witts, I phoned Grady's. A friendly female voice 
answered... Debbie. I asked the same questions as I asked D1, and all of my 
questions were answered by Rob himself. I was relieved. Since then, I have 
continued purchasing my parts from Grady's. I'm sure if I were closer, and 
was pointed to DMC Houston, I would have had a similar relationship with 
them as well. But I just happened to fall where I did.

Did the experience with D1 almost cause me to not buy my DeLorean? 
Absolutely. So, in essence, it's not the DML, Vixen, or anything else  
that's dropping the D's value, it's the attitude from D1. I'm convinced of 
that. I also think that D1 is the first place many people call because of 
the advertising and easy phone number to remember. Unfortunately, the first 
experience will most likely be a bad one.

Am I angry? Not really. I'm more sad that any DeLorean enthusiast would 
treat another DeLorean Owner, regardless of their intentions with their car, 
in a disrespectful manner. Everyone should respect each others decisions on 
how they want to treat their cars, even if they don't agree with it. I have 
customizations I performed on my car, and I've received mean mail about how 
I'm ruining the mark. I know of others who have received similar e-mails. 
Personally, I think it's ridiculous to have a car just sit in a garage and 
be trailered to shows. But that's my "OPINION". It's not for me. But if it 
floats someone else's boat to have that kind of car, fine! I can respect 
that. Again, it's just not for ME! Just like customizing a DeLorean isn't 
for THEM! We need diversity in any car community. That's what keeps it from 
being boring.

Anyway, I'll conclude with this. Any business that treats any customer, or 
potential customer with no respect, will eventually lose enough of it's 
customers to no longer make a profit. What else do I need to say...

Enjoy your DeLorean. Hope to see you at the Fall Foliage tour!!!

---Dan
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:40:56 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Sad comment.

William,

There are two sides to this story. As long as the DeLorean car is around
John DeLorean will never be forgotten. Yes, many DeLoreans are permanently
retired due to neglect, some parts are in short supply but the very strong
DeLorean parts network will make sure parts can be found. Our DeLorean
restoration business is at a 15 year high. The DeLorean will be around for
many more years, and although books about JZD are scarce, the dream will
live on.

BTW: Concerning your comment about the value of the cars; how many average
condition 20 year old production cars do you know of sell at 50% of their
original value. Keep in mind that low mileage excellent condition cars sell
for more than their new value.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Joe / De Lorean Services / <delorean_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Sternbach, William [IT] <William_Sternbach_at_dml_smb.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: [DML] Sad comment.


> I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from all
> of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
> Booksamillion.com, etc).
>
> They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
> and are unavailable.
>
> This is sad, because it makes me feel like the world has forgotten about
> John Delorean.  He is in his mid 70's in quiet retirement.
> All books about him have also been retired and are out of print.
> The 20 year old cars that were his legacy are slowly dying due to rust
> in their frames and parts scarceness, and are stil worth $10,000 less
> than when they were purchased new.
>
> I hope it is ok that I make these sad comments.
>
> - W. Sternbach





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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:16:17 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Sad comment?

In a message dated 10/13/00 9:51:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
William_Sternbach_at_dml_smb.com writes:

<< They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
 and are unavailable. >>

Out of print but not unavailable.  Check ebay.  "The woods is full of them" 
as the saying goes.  That's the way it is in the book business.  Ask your 
local bookstore for Jay Leno's autobiography.  Two years after it was 
printed, forget it.  And he's better recognized than JZD.  He's in the public 
eye 5 days a week. That's just the way it is.
And MY DeLorean isn't rusting away due to lack of parts. No way, baby!   As 
for value, I understand they've had better resale than a similar age and 
condition Porsche 911. 
-Wayne
vin 11174
Livin' the dream everyday!



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:05:18 -0700
From: Henry Breer <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Sad comment.

You could check out ebay if you're interested in purchasing a copy. They
have at least 3 up for auction as I write this.
mimi  vin 1141

"Sternbach, William [IT]" wrote:
> 
> I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from all
> of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
> Booksamillion.com, etc).
> 
> They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
> and are unavailable.
> 
> This is sad, because it makes me feel like the world has forgotten about
> John Delorean.  He is in his mid 70's in quiet retirement.
> All books about him have also been retired and are out of print.
> The 20 year old cars that were his legacy are slowly dying due to rust
> in their frames and parts scarceness, and are stil worth $10,000 less
> than when they were purchased new.
> 
> I hope it is ok that I make these sad comments.
> 
> - W. Sternbach
> 
> 
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
> 
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> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:07:37 -0500
From: "Brian McCool" <bjmccool_at_dml_home.com>
Subject: RE: Sad comment.

William Sternbach wrote:

>>>I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from alot
of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
Booksamillion.com, etc).>>>

Just type in "Delorean" on Ebay and you'll see any of
the 5 or 6 biographies for sale on John at any given
time of the year. They are actually pretty plentiful on ebay.
 www.ebay.com





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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:58:33 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Sad comment.

Has the world forgotten about John DeLorean? Not really. While his 
name may no longer be a household word, most time when you mention 
him the majority of people know who you are talking about. Although 
once his trial was over media attention no longer focused on him. I 
don't really consider it so much a sad thing as much as I do a 
natural thing. The more unfortunate aspect is that JZD never really 
recieved proper credit for all his accomplishments. Numerous patents 
for all the safety features both he himself created and helped to 
create. From these alone it could never be known how many lives he 
has helped to save. His successful business ventures, etc... But I 
would consider it far worse that to finally know peace from those who 
shed an ignorant light on him, JZD needed anonimity to acheve it.
   I don't believe that the thousands of DeLorean cars worldwide are 
slowly dying out due to anything. Yes some are being put away as we 
speak, yet others are being brought out. Some will be in accidents, 
and of those not all will survive. That too is only natural. Still I 
would not consider this a "dying out", yet more of a DeLorean "cycle 
of life". Parts availability and rust are of no serious concern right 
now nor will they ever be. There are enough people who will always 
believe in our cars to keep them on the road by whatever means 
nessisary. Cars that are sitting right now will be returned to the 
road in their own due time. And for the value of our cars? I can't 
speak for everyone here, but I believe most people buy a D simply for 
thier own pleasure, not for investments. If we always judged a car by 
it's resale value, then practicly every car that has ever seen the 
road is a failure.
   A while back I was driving down the highway when I saw a young boy 
looking at my car. His eyes were as wide as saucers and he had a big 
smile on his face. And suddenly I realized that I was looking at me 
when I was his age, and I remebered what it was like to see my first 
DeLorean in the 'wild'. I may only be 22 now, but even I know there 
will come a day when I can no longer give my car the attention not 
that it needs, but deserves. And I take comfort in the thought that 
one day that little boy or some one like him will pick up when I can 
no longer continue. Someone will be there to not only keep my car on 
the road, but to also pass on the legacy of the man. 
   While JZD and our cars may become less known, they will never, 
ever be forgotten! There will always be enough dreamers and 
adventureous souls who will continue to live the dream...

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Sternbach, William [IT]" 
<William_Sternbach_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from 
all
> of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
> Booksamillion.com, etc).
> 
> They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out 
of print
> and are unavailable.
> 
> This is sad, because it makes me feel like the world has forgotten 
about
> John Delorean.  He is in his mid 70's in quiet retirement.
> All books about him have also been retired and are out of print.
> The 20 year old cars that were his legacy are slowly dying due to 
rust
> in their frames and parts scarceness, and are stil worth $10,000 
less
> than when they were purchased new.
> 
> I hope it is ok that I make these sad comments.
> 
> - W. Sternbach




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:44:29 -0600
From: Jack Janney <fastride_at_dml_mciworld.com>
Subject: Re: Sad comment.

William,
    Go to your book store and order a copy of "Glory Days" by Jim Wangers.
It's mostly about the 50s/60s muscle car era but there is quite a bit of
stuff in there about John Z.  Actually very positive, paints a much better
picture of him as an engineer and inovater than what I remember reading in
"Stainless Steel Illusion".

Jack Janney

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sternbach, William [IT]" <William_Sternbach_at_dml_smb.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:04 AM
Subject: [DML] Sad comment.


> I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from all
> of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
> Booksamillion.com, etc).
>
> They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
> and are unavailable.
>
> This is sad, because it makes me feel like the world has forgotten about
> John Delorean.  He is in his mid 70's in quiet retirement.
> All books about him have also been retired and are out of print.
> The 20 year old cars that were his legacy are slowly dying due to rust
> in their frames and parts scarceness, and are stil worth $10,000 less
> than when they were purchased new.
>
> I hope it is ok that I make these sad comments.
>
> - W. Sternbach
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
>




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:46:42 -0500
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: DMC (RHD) For Sale in Australia

With the recent mention of DMCs in Australia I figured I'd put this on the
list as well as the forsale page at www.dmcnews.com. I'm not usually a huge
fan of "no price" ads, though.

Dave
======================
username:     Dennis Huang
Email:        dmc3046(AT) delorean.com
Year:         1981
Transmission: Automatic
Interior:     Grey
Exterior:     Stainless Steel
Location:     Queensland , Australia
Price:        offer (in AUD)

This car is a Converted RHD, fully registered in QLD Australia. Fully
restored by D1 in 1999.Featured on the
cover of Winter 2000 issue of Delorean World. I reluctantly have to let it
go 'cause I've to go overseas in the near future. For more info Pls email me
at dmc3046(AT)delorean.com






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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:51:13 +1000
From: "Webmaster - Michael Robinson" <webmaster_at_dml_michaelrobinson.cjb.net>
Subject: Re: DMC-12's In Australia

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Mike's e-mail address is webmaster(at)michaelrobinson.cjb.net]

 
I would like to thank everybody for their help regarding my quest into finding DMC-12's in Australia.

If anyone knows how I can get into contact with the DMC National Registry, that would be greatly appreciated if you could forward that info through to me at the below addresses.

Thank-you, and good luck with your individual DMC-12 pursuits.

Will be regular touch,
MIKE.


--
Michael Robinson
webmaster_at_dml_michaelrobinson.cjb.net
http://www.michaelrobinson.cjb.net


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:47:33 -0000
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Door open light

Suddenly, I now have a door open light even though the doors are 
closed.  I disconnected all of the wires from the switchs on the left 
side and still the light.  I tried the same on the right side and 
still the light.  

Are there any other switches that effect this light?  It is dimmer 
than when the door is open, but still bright enough to be clearly 
seen.  If you open a door when it is on it will get brighter.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Scot 6452




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:07:33 -0400
From: "E. Randell Stribling" <estribl1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Get together


----- Original Message ----- 
From: E. Randell Stribling 
To: Aaron Posey ; Alfred Weston ; BigBenb84_at_dml_aol.com ; Bill Connolly ; Brian Henderlong ; Brian McCabe ; Dan Harris ; E. Randell Stribling ; Tom Huntington ; Gabriel Rexach ; Gary King ; James Sleeth ; Jamie Hamlin ; Jeffrey Altman ; Julius Braga ; Larry Oden ; Louise Kleba ; Matthew Woolley ; Michael Solomon ; Nicholas Klokochar ; Orlando Lopez ; Rick Barranco ; robertbrady ; Scott Rollins ; Steve Minner ; Thomas Mickel ; Tom Niemczewski ; Walter Coe ; William Fuller ; William Wiggins 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:05 PM
Subject: Get together


I know this is short notice, but we will be getting together tomorrow afternoon at 2:30 in Lakeland, exit 18 (U.S. 98) at the Steak and Shake as an informal planning meeting for a winter tech session, it appears that we will have at least 4-5 D owners plus.  If you can get away it is only a short morning drive for most anyone on the Florida list.  Bring your car if you can and if you can't please come anyway.   Randy Stribling  813.238.2399


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:33:29 GMT
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: I broke my own speed-o-meter :-(

Slightly safer method:  jack left front wheel, perform cable adjustments as 
below, (now you need another person), by hand spin tire counter-clockwise & 
observe for needle movement.      Drive Stainless    Robert VIN 6924


>From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Re: I broke my own speed-o-meter :-(
>Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 04:15:58 -0000
>
>When my speedometer started acting funky, I also removed this cable.
>However, you shouldn't ever need to worry about this cable breaking
>because it has no possible exposure to weather, plus you dont want to
>gunk up the speedometer itself.  When I removed my upper cable from
>the Yellow Box thingy (acually the LAMBDA counter), I noticed that
>when I put it back, the square end of the drive cable had moved a
>little, so it didn't match up with the square hole in the counter,
>despite the end being fully screwed in, (it just bowed inside the
>sleeve).  What I would recommend doing is parking the car on a slight
>slope in neutral.  Get in a posistion where you can access the
>cable-end in one hand, and control the parking brake in the other.
>While lining up the square end of the drive cable with the square
>hole
>in the LAMBDA counter, slowly release the parking brake so the car
>rolls ever so slightly.  When the front wheel turns, so will the hole
>in the counter, so the square will eventually line up, and when they
>do so, push it all the way in, stop the car, and completely screw the
>cable into the counter.  If it worked, your speedometer should be
>working just fine now.
>
>Jim Reeve
>#6960
>

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:17:53 EDT
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: New DeLorean movies??

Is there anyone who knows the address that had the movies with John Z. 
explaining his new car?? I think I got it off the emails about the watch, but 
have lost the address.
Many thanks,
Dave Loffler
Johnston, RI



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:45:10 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: need frequency valve help

I've had an on-going cold acceleration problem in my Delorean and haven't
had much luck getting advice on how to fix it.  Maybe someone on this list
can help?

So far I have tried unplugging the electrical connection to my frequency
valve, and it makes absolutely no difference to how the engine runs.

The engine coughs, sputters, pops, and runs rough until it completely warms
up.  When I force the engine to run richer by pulling a vacuum on the
delayed side of the control pressure regulator, then the engine runs fine!
I have checked the fuel pressures and they are within specs.

My question to the group is:  How can I tell if my frequency valve is
working?  I've tried unplugging it and this makes no difference.  I've tried
unplugging the Lambda ECU and this makes no difference either.  I've put a
volt meter across the wires going to the frequency valve and measure
nothing.  I realize that a volt meter is probably the wrong tool for this,
but I don't have access to an oscilloscope.  Is there some other diagnostic
tool that is appropriate here?  I could check for flow with a fuel pressure
gauge, but I hate to take those connections apart if I don't need to.  I do
get continuity through the coil, but that won't help if nothing is going to
it.

For those of you who like to read, here is an earlier message I wrote to the
DML that never got posted.  It explains more of my symptoms:

What can cause a Delorean to hesitate during acceleration, but forcing the
control pressure regulator to make it run richer cures the problem?  I've
checked the fuel pressures, and they are all normal.  I get primary pressure
of 5.1 bar.  The control pressure regulator gives 2.9 bar with cold engine,
3.7 bar with fully warmed up engine.

Pulling a vacuum on the delay side of the control pressure regulator drops
the fuel pressure under 2 bar and cures all my problems.  But, the fuel
pressure isn't supposed to be that low.  So is this compensating for some
other problem?  And if so, what is it?

At idle, my vacuum reading is 15 inHg, but it jitters +/- 2.5 inHg.  Is this
normal?  My vacuum at 2000 rpm is 17 inHg and smoothes out.  Is this a
symptom of a stuck valve or is this normal?

This problem has been intermittent in the past and would only happen to a
cold engine.  Now it happens all the time, and it doesn't really matter if
the engine is cold any more.  Now even after the engine is warmed up, I get
hesitation, coughing, sputtering and even backfiring.

When I start the engine, it tends to stall.  Any pressure on the accelerator
makes the engine hesitate, cough, sputter and pop.  When I release the
accelerator, the engine speed actually picks up for an instant and then
drops back to a rough idle.  This keeps up until the engine is hot.  Before
I drive the car, I have to let it warm up for at least 5 minutes.  After the
engine is fully warmed up and I turn it off and let it sit for 30 minutes, I
have to let it warm up all over again before I can drive it.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:50:01 -0000
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Hidden treasure-Good Delorean Story

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Rob Hook" <robhook_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> I just bought one from DMC Houston (I assume it's one of Lee's
> reproductions) and they are really nice.  Haven't had it cut yet 
though and
> I'm a little nervous about them screwing it up.  What a waste THAT 
would be!
> Can't wait to see the ones with the lights in them.
> 
> --Rob Hook
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <billschaferabn_at_dml_a...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:25 PM
> Subject: [DML] Hidden treasure-Good Delorean Story
> 
> 
> >Last Time I had to purchase  keys for a Delorean they were NEW 
orignal Keys,and all I had to do was give them my VIN number (this 
was in 1982 at a Delorean Dealer)and they quickly made me up a set of 
orignal keys.(I had bought a parts car and it came with no keys.)

KEY STORY

One of the Deloreans that I bought was supposed to be a Stolen 
Recovered car,and typical of most stolen cars the ignition switch was 
broken out with a blunt object,so as to be able to be started up with 
a plier or screwdriver,but the funny thing about it was, when I 
removed the Drivers seat from the car,underneath the seat(as you know 
there is no room to put your arm/hand under the seat,if you drop 
something under the seat) I found the ignition switch that had been 
broken off under the seat,that they broke off in order to be able to 
steal the Delorean,BUT THE KEY was still in the ignition switch,what 
that was,was the "smoking gun"it proved that the owner or someone 
was "payed"
to "steal" the car and make it look as if it was stolen when it was 
recovered.(for insurance payoff)Because there is no reason to break 
off a ignition switch if the key is there.The car at the time was 
less than six months old from new (1981). 

Claude
000570




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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:59:12 +0100
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Sad comment.

William,
Your knowledge of "Classic Cars"  seems a bit setchy. I  have made a living
for the last 21 years by re-chrome plating bits from other peoples "Classic
Cars". Everthing from THE Rolls Royce silver Ghost, to modern Aston Martins,
E type Jags etc. For many of these cars all sorts of parts have to be
re-manufactured at great expense to keep these cars running, which the,
often wealthy owner's happily do.
 With our beloved De Loreans, most parts are readily available "of the
shelf" from people like DMC Huston, DMC Joe etc. as very modest costs.  We
are very lucky that our chosen car is so robust and  reliable. I only know
of one chassis that is rusted (in the Irish republic) and compared to say,
an E type, that repair would be a breeze.
As for values , I have personally sold 2 cars in the last year for $29, 000.
each.
Deloreans will still be around, and very sort after, for many years to come.
 Buy your books second hand.
As for the next generation of DeLorean purchases / enthusiasts, I have had a
young man, Mike, age 16, at my house for 3 hours today, looking at my
memorabilia, sitting in my car, going for a trip out ( in the rain!) and
generally enjoying himself greatly...these are the next generation of D
owners, who will ensure the car and the name John Z DeLorean, lives on long
after I am "pushing up daisy's".

Chris P DOC UK


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sternbach, William [IT]" <William_Sternbach_at_dml_smb.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: [DML] Sad comment.


> I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from all
> of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
> Booksamillion.com, etc).
>
> They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
> and are unavailable.
>
> This is sad, because it makes me feel like the world has forgotten about
> John Delorean.  He is in his mid 70's in quiet retirement.
> All books about him have also been retired and are out of print.
> The 20 year old cars that were his legacy are slowly dying due to rust
> in their frames and parts scarceness, and are stil worth $10,000 less
> than when they were purchased new.
>
> I hope it is ok that I make these sad comments.
>
> - W. Sternbach
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:25:24 CDT
From: "Richard Petrie" <juffo7_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sad comment.


Hi William,


I found 5 copies on www.abebooks.com, they usually have the books I can't 
find anywhere else.. plus they're HALF the cost!!!

Good Luck :)
-Richard Petrie



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>From: "Sternbach, William [IT]" <William_Sternbach_at_dml_smb.com>
>
>
>I have found it impossible to buy a biography of John Delorean from all
>of the bookstores (Amazon.Com, Barnes & Noble.com, Borders,
>Booksamillion.com, etc).
>
>They all say that all of the biographies of John Delorean are out of print
>and are unavailable.
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 06:16:32 EDT
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Sad comment.

As someone studying for my M.A. in history, I think a "up-to-date"
book on DeLorean would be an interesting read (but how old are
the latest books on him?)...Maybe someone should invest some time 
and money in a project like this, try to collect all written material 
available, try to do an oral history interview DeLorean before he 
passes away, etc.  It sounds like it would be fun, but don't look at 
me, I wouldn't have the time.  :)  Probably someone who is an authority on 
the history of automobiles should take it up.

As far as your second comment goes, I don't think anyone goes
into having DeLorean thinking it is NOT going to be a chore taking care of
one.  I've only owned one for a few days, but I don't think you
get this car because of its great performance, or because of its
ease to deal with...you get it because you love the car, period.
Whether or not you want to and/or can do what it takes to take
care of it is another issue.  But it's not like all DeLoreans are
going to slowly crumble away, is it?  

Now you've got ME worried!  :)

Richard
    



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:12:49 -0200
From: "Louie Golden" <louiegolden_at_dml_mailcity.lycos.com>
Subject: NC DMC FOUND!!!!!

Hello List,
  About six months ago I spotted a DeLorean driving in my tiny farming town of Sanford North Carolina. Since then I have posted several notices here on the DML, trying to find out if anyone knew anything about whose car it might be. I have also asked every NC area owner I have ever talked with if they knew anything. 
  Well today out of sheer coincidence I took a different way home than normal, and to my astonishment, the DeLorean was sitting under a canopy at a foreign car repair shop. I completely flipped out. I flew home to get my digital camera and to write the owner a note to leave under the windshield wiper. The car appears to be an '83 with black interior and 5-speed. Unfortunately the car itself was in very poor shape. Its frame was very rusty, the interior was all cracked and faded, and the facias were peeling. But what a thrill to finally find the car I have looked so hard for! Anyways I just wanted to share my joy with the group, and to let those poeple who I had asked about the car know that I had finally found it.  -Louie Golden
VIN#(almost!!!)




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:31:26 -0000
From: stits_at_dml_lvcm.com
Subject: Delorean wanted in Las Vegas If you have or know of one tell me

I am finally in the market for a Delorean and I am finding it a 
challenge to get a hold of one. If any one knows on one in the 
southwest for sale please email me. I am looking for one under 15k 
and I only have 3 terms. The drive train is in good condition, The 
frame shows no sighs of decay "rust or damage etc." and the
body is 
intact. If you know of any car which meets their requirements.




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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:59:45 EDT
From: spooky312_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Autofest

    Hello everyone! I would like to take the time to thank everyone that made 
an effort to the Autofest 2000. That was an experience I will never forget. 
The D's were beautiful. Also to the guys that I met ( I dont know if you want 
me to give your names out or not?) you were really cool. I know that I acted 
like I had a half a brain but it was my first DeLorean experience. Thank you 
for putting up with me!! 

                                                 Rachel



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:36:40 -0000
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Door open light

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Suddenly, I now have a door open light even though the doors are 
> closed.  I disconnected all of the wires from the switchs on the 
left 
> side and still the light.  I tried the same on the right side and 
> still the light.  
> 
> Are there any other switches that effect this light?  It is dimmer 
> than when the door is open, but still bright enough to be clearly 
> seen.  If you open a door when it is on it will get brighter.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scot 6452

Found my own solution.   The courtesy light in the back was on!  This 
causes the dash door open light to light up.  Interesting but true on 
my car.  Only 10,500 miles so I don't think there have been any 
modifications.  In any case it is solved.

Thanks,

Scot 
6452




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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:47:37 -0000
From: "Scot Stern" <SGSKBM_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: San Diego Deloreans

I live just outside of San Diego and I am wondering if anyone who 
reads this knows anyone in San Diego with a Delorean.  Lokking for 
conversation and information on repairs in the local area.  

Also, I have attended cruise nights in Escondido on Firdays and the 
reactions have been incredible and I was wondering if anyone else 
would like to join me.

Scot
6452




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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:10:58 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: need frequency valve help

When the frequency valve is operating it will emit a loud buzzing 
sound. Once it is plugged in, believe me you will notice it! The 
problem itslef my not be a bad valve but rather a poor connection. I 
had the exact same problem with my car. As it turns out someone had 
pulled on the wires to unplug the FV rather then gripping it by the 
plug. Try this: Unplug the frequency vavle and inspect how far into 
the plug the wire contacts are. You may just need to push the wires 
back down into the assembly. If you're not sure exactly how the wire 
connection should look, unplug the cold start vavle and use it's plug 
as a referance.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> I've had an on-going cold acceleration problem in my Delorean and 
haven't
> had much luck getting advice on how to fix it.  Maybe someone on 
this list
> can help?
> 
> So far I have tried unplugging the electrical connection to my 
frequency
> valve, and it makes absolutely no difference to how the engine runs.
> 
> The engine coughs, sputters, pops, and runs rough until it 
completely warms
> up.  When I force the engine to run richer by pulling a vacuum on 
the
> delayed side of the control pressure regulator, then the engine 
runs fine!
> I have checked the fuel pressures and they are within specs.
> 
> My question to the group is:  How can I tell if my frequency valve 
is
> working?  I've tried unplugging it and this makes no difference.  
I've tried
> unplugging the Lambda ECU and this makes no difference either.  
I've put a
> volt meter across the wires going to the frequency valve and measure
> nothing.  I realize that a volt meter is probably the wrong tool 
for this,
> but I don't have access to an oscilloscope.  Is there some other 
diagnostic
> tool that is appropriate here?  I could check for flow with a fuel 
pressure
> gauge, but I hate to take those connections apart if I don't need 
to.  I do
> get continuity through the coil, but that won't help if nothing is 
going to
> it.
> 
> For those of you who like to read, here is an earlier message I 
wrote to the
> DML that never got posted.  It explains more of my symptoms:
> 
> What can cause a Delorean to hesitate during acceleration, but 
forcing the
> control pressure regulator to make it run richer cures the 
problem?  I've
> checked the fuel pressures, and they are all normal.  I get primary 
pressure
> of 5.1 bar.  The control pressure regulator gives 2.9 bar with cold 
engine,
> 3.7 bar with fully warmed up engine.
> 
> Pulling a vacuum on the delay side of the control pressure 
regulator drops
> the fuel pressure under 2 bar and cures all my problems.  But, the 
fuel
> pressure isn't supposed to be that low.  So is this compensating 
for some
> other problem?  And if so, what is it?
> 
> At idle, my vacuum reading is 15 inHg, but it jitters +/- 2.5 
inHg.  Is this
> normal?  My vacuum at 2000 rpm is 17 inHg and smoothes out.  Is 
this a
> symptom of a stuck valve or is this normal?
> 
> This problem has been intermittent in the past and would only 
happen to a
> cold engine.  Now it happens all the time, and it doesn't really 
matter if
> the engine is cold any more.  Now even after the engine is warmed 
up, I get
> hesitation, coughing, sputtering and even backfiring.
> 
> When I start the engine, it tends to stall.  Any pressure on the 
accelerator
> makes the engine hesitate, cough, sputter and pop.  When I release 
the
> accelerator, the engine speed actually picks up for an instant and 
then
> drops back to a rough idle.  This keeps up until the engine is 
hot.  Before
> I drive the car, I have to let it warm up for at least 5 minutes.  
After the
> engine is fully warmed up and I turn it off and let it sit for 30 
minutes, I
> have to let it warm up all over again before I can drive it.
> 
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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