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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Yokohama Speed rating
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

2. re: Yokohama Speed rating
From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag_at_dml_mindspring.com>

3. Re: muffler heat shield
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: New nose Bra
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Maintenance Questions
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

6. Re: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Blower Motor Reversed??
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

8. Cleveland Driving Events: Eratta
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

9. Cleveland Rapid Transit: Errata
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

10. clutch
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

11. Re: Rust
From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. LHD to RHD conversion
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

13. Convoy to DMC 2000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

14. Re: clutch
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

15. Re: muffler heat shield
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

16. Re: Cleveland Driving Events: Eratta
From: scottmueller_at_dml_zebra.net

17. Light switch bracket in engine compartment...
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: muffler heat shield
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>

19. Stainless labels and other things...
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. Re: Stainless labels and other things...
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

21. Stainless muffler heat shield
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>

22. stainless steel labels
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>

23. Re: muffler heat shield
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

24. Re: Stainless labels and other things...
From: Mike Jones <DreamCar_DMC-12_at_dml_mail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:23:26 -0600
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Yokohama Speed rating

The Yoko's I have had on my car for about 2 1/2 years are V rated.  I
believe this is standard for the AVS Intermediates.

Michael Babb

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Reeve --Ultra--" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:05 PM
Subject: [DML] Yokohama Speed rating


> I recently was searching through tirerack.com browsing for tires that
> fit the size of the DeLorean. I came across the Yokohama AVS
> Intermediate which we all know are the best tires currently available in
> the stock sizes. But what I noticed was a speed rating on the 195/60 14
> and 235/60 15 was "V" (149 mph). I always thought that they were "H"
> (130 mph). Does anyone who has recently purchased these tires care to
> say what the speed rating on their side wall is?  I know that a stock
> DeLorean can't really get above 130, but modified ones can.  So this
> just makes me curious and I'm sure owners of Turbo'ed and engine swapped
> D's would like this too.
> --
> Jim Reeve <Ultra>
> http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/
> AIM-Ultra2169
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:31:03 -0500
From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: re: Yokohama Speed rating

Jim........

The new set I just got from TireRack are V-rated.  Can't wait to get them on
the car.  My old set were FireStones!  uggggggggggg!!!!!

--Jonathan
  #000697

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I recently was searching through tirerack.com browsing for tires that
fit the size of the DeLorean. I came across the Yokohama AVS
Intermediate which we all know are the best tires currently available in
the stock sizes. But what I noticed was a speed rating on the 195/60 14
and 235/60 15 was "V" (149 mph). I always thought that they were "H"
(130 mph). Does anyone who has recently purchased these tires care to
say what the speed rating on their side wall is? I know that a stock
DeLorean can't really get above 130, but modified ones can. So this
just makes me curious and I'm sure owners of Turbo'ed and engine swapped
D's would like this too.
--








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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:41:52 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: muffler heat shield

In a message dated 4/24/00 10:32:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com writes:

<< Need to replace my muffler heat shield, but DO NOT want the 
 original asbestos one. How is the stainless steel one? Any thoughts?
  >>

Haven't seen it, but they say they're coming out with a new two layer one 
that's even better.  I grilled him about via e-mail.  
PJ Grady has one that isn't stainless, but is more durable than the original. 
 Haven't seen that either, but I like everything I've seen from Grady!

-Wayne
"Living the Dream!"
VIN...11174


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:41:50 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: New nose Bra

In a message dated 4/22/00 9:09:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jpalatinus_at_dml_earthlink.net writes:

<< Mine has bug flaps (triangular prisims) sticking up on both sides of the
 front of the car. >>

Joe-
Somebody just e-mailed me that they've seen ones with bug flaps in the De 
Lorean 1 catalog.  Maybe yours is from there.  I have only been up to 50 a 
few times since I got mine, but it doesn't flap in the breeze.  I don't know 
how it could.  It hooks in 8 (or ten?) places and fits like my college jeans. 
If I tried to put then on today.  Well, better than that, actually!  I'll 
keep you posted on developments.  I'll be putting a picture of mine in the 
vault later this week.

-Wayne
"Living the Dream!"
VIN...11174


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:36:28 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Maintenance Questions

Joe,

    The asbestos heat shield is a part I definately need so I can be sure 
that my belts won't melt. I hope there is an alternative...I read about the 
stainless steel one, but wouldn't this conduct more heat? Let me know what 
your replacement part consists of. I will have the lines bled. I know this 
was done in Jan. of this year at DMC Houston, but I will have it done again. 
I haven't found any fluid leaking anywhere, so this might solve the problem. 
If not, what should I do? I need this fixed before the May 6th weekend. I 
have to drive the car back to Huntsville, AL then. Let me know what you 
think I should do. Thanks again Joe!

Sean
VIN 7003

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:38:57 EDT
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??

Dan,

   I would like to know the fix as well. I have the same problem but haven't 
had time to address it as my D is in storage. Please forward your fix. I have 
a fax as well if you need that # let me know.


Bill # 1596


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:42:14 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Blower Motor Reversed??

The "reverse the wires" comment was not very complete - I should have 
added the statement that "it is common for the wires to be hooked up 
backwards (by prior service people/owners) so they need to be 
switched back to make them correct." (this was in the original 
archive). I agree - if you make the fan housing the "hot" side there 
would be a bit of a hazard of accidentally grounding it at a later 
date. Fuses would blow. 

I'm curious about Dan's other method of correcting a blower that 
truly spins the wrong direction.  

Dave


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Danrc30" <Danrc30_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Reversing the wires is not recommended. I had the same problem as 
you, and
> DMC Joe explained to me that when the wires are reversed, the motor 
could
> cause a short circuit if anything metal touches it. It's unlikely 
that
> anything would, but it is possible... especially if you are doing 
something
> under there with a screwdriver.

> ---Dan
> 
> 
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, Stephen Jarvis <jarvist_at_dml_m...> wrote:
The
> > > problem had once been diagnosed as the fan running backwards, 
and I
> > finally
> > [snip]

> >
> > You can just reverse the wires. This was covered in several
> > discussions a couple of years ago (search the archives 
on "blower"),
> > but no one has mentioned it in a while. Apparently it's easy to 
hook
> > it up backwards, and it often happens (blame the prior owner). No
> > need to replace anything.
> >
> > Dave



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:55:08 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Cleveland Driving Events: Eratta

As someone pointed out to me, there was a potentially confusing typo in my message
yesterday.  It just proves that you should never be your own proofreader.

The Orientation to Cleveland Cruise to the cocktail party departs THURSDAY EVENING
6:00 - 7:30 PM from the Holiday Inn.

The Driving Tour / Rallye departs FRIDAY MORNING 9:30 - 10:00 AM from the street
behind the Great Lakes Science Center.  (My typo said Thursday morning.  Oops).

For these events it will be perfectly fine to drive a non-DeLorean.  However, we
strongly recommend that you do not drive alone.  While it is theoretically possible
to find your way simply by listening to our audio tapes, we designed the tour
expecting each car to have a map reader.  Thus people in rental cars would be better
off finding a DeLorean in need of a navigator.

- Mike Substelny



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:00:21 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Cleveland Rapid Transit: Errata

Ken Koncelik wrote:

> The airport . . . is Cleveland Hopkins airport.  You
> really don't need a rental car .  Use the rapid transit that you
> can catch right at the airport and get off at the East 9th st stop.
> This is less than a two minute walk.

Ken is describing Cleveland's commuter train system, the RTA Rapid Transit.  He
is correct in stating that there is a stop right inside Hopkins Airport and
another stop very close to the hotel.  The airport stop is very convenient,
closer to your plane than the parking lot, taxi stand, or rental car companies.
The fare is only $1.50 and the ride downtown is faster than driving.

However, the same train line does not connect both places!  To make the trip Ken
describes, you need to change trains in the main station at Tower City / Public
Square.  You can change trains for free if you ask for a transfer when you pay
your fare.

A free PDF map is available here:

http://little.nhlink.net/~rta/index.html

The map is called "RTA Rapid Transit System Map (73k)."  On this map, the
airport is at stop #18 on the Red Line.  The Tower City/Public Square transfer
point is stop #9 on all lines. The Holiday Inn is near stop #47, called "East
9th Street" on the Waterfront Line.

When you get off the train, you will see Lake Erie to the North.  Walk one block
south to Lakeside, then one block East to the Holiday Inn.

If anyone has any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

- Mike Substelny



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:01:33 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: clutch

I'm going to be replacing my clutch before the DMC 2000 show and was 
wondering what the list thought of the Centerforce Clutch for the 
Delorean.  I've only talk to one other person about the Centerforce 
and he loves it.  Any other comments?  Also, while I'm at it I'm 
replacing the clutch line and master/slave cylinder.  Does anybody 
have a NEW master and slave cylinder for sale?
On the PJ grady website they have a link adjuster kit, has anybody 
installed this and is it worth it?  
I'm figuring since I'm removing the transmission anyway, why not 
replace anything that might go wrong in the future.

BTW: does the engine have to come out to replace the clutch?  I heard 
that somewhere.  Also, what model number is the 5 speed transmission?
 
I'd like to tell my mechanic what it is.  thanks for the help!

Erik Geerdink
4512



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:19:00 -0000
From: "James Teston" <orentha_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rust

I was thinking about using POR-15 for my frame too, And I was 
wondering if anyone has had any experiences with it?  According to 
their website www.por15.com  it seems like a good ( ecomonical ) 
solution to a rusty frame...  I would appreciate any feedback if 
anyone has used this.
Thanks a lot.
James 15314




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:16:41 +0100
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: LHD to RHD conversion

Hi All

I live in England and am seriously considering converting my Left hand drive
automatic DeLorean to a right hand drive. The dash board has split in half
and so I intend to make a new one but reversed for RHD and then move the
pedals, hand brake, steering and instruments over to the right. I am a
fairly confident mechanic and having looked closely at the current layout it
does not look too hard. Can the steering rack be run upside down, (I see no
reason why not since it is a simple rack and pinion set-up)

Are there any particular difficulties with this operation or anything
specific which may require major structural work??

Has anyone performed this operation themselves, and if so what problems did
you incur?

any help would be most appreciated, should I go ahead with the conversion I
intend to create an accurate manual of how it was done in order to allow
other DeLorean owners to follow suit.

With thanks
James



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:08:03 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Convoy to DMC 2000

time is getting closer to DMC 2000 and its about time to think about 
starting up convoys.  Would anybody traveling thru the Michigan, 
Illinois, Indiana area like to meet up somewhere along the way?  

Erik Geerdink
4512
wanna see pics of two rare cars side by side?  Check out the pictures 
of my 1981 Delorean and my room mates 1967 Alfa Romeo Duetto.  
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:21:48 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: clutch

I've been running with the Centerforce clutch for two years and find it
works great. I would recommend getting Rob Grady's adjustable link as the
centerforce will change the pedal free play a bit. Don't skimp with the
clutch master and slave cyls. The slave is a real bugger to install and your
idea about doing it with the tranny out is a good one. By new ones from one
of the DeLorean suppliers.The tranny comes out without the engine needing to
be removed. My son-in-law owns a repair shop and we used his hoist to do the
job. He had replaced an Audi clutch the day before and commented about the
DeLorean being a much less complicated job.

Bruce Benson


> wondering what the list thought of the Centerforce Clutch for the
> Delorean.  I've only talk to one other person about the Centerforce

> On the PJ grady website they have a link adjuster kit, has anybody
> installed this and is it worth it?
> I'm figuring since I'm removing the transmission anyway, why not
> replace anything that might go wrong in the future.
>
> BTW: does the engine have to come out to replace the clutch?  >

>
> Erik Geerdink
> 4512




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:12:27 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: muffler heat shield

About a year and a half ago, I made a two layered heat shield to replace the
torn-up asbestos one.  I included a "lip" on the bottom to aid in pulling
air in-between the stainless sheets for reducing the heat transfer between
the sheets.  I have not had any problems, however, I do need to add a spacer
in one location as the stainless sheets tend to contact each other due to
lack of support in that area (center/top area of the shield).  It also looks
pretty good.

Sean Howley
VIN#2345

> Haven't seen it, but they say they're coming out with a new two layer one
> that's even better.  I grilled him about via e-mail.
> PJ Grady has one that isn't stainless, but is more durable than the
original.
>  Haven't seen that either, but I like everything I've seen from Grady!




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:25:08 US/Central
From: scottmueller_at_dml_zebra.net
Subject: Re: Cleveland Driving Events: Eratta

Mike, My co-pilot/navigator will be my 5 year old son.  He is doing well with his reading,
but multi-syllable words still present a challenge for him.  Please make the directions
simple.

Scott Mueller

However, we
> strongly recommend that you do not drive alone.  While it is theoretically possible
> to find your way simply by listening to our audio tapes, we designed the tour
> expecting each car to have a map reader.  Thus people in rental cars would be better
> off finding a DeLorean in need of a navigator.
> 
> - Mike Substelny




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:06:11 EDT
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Light switch bracket in engine compartment...

Hey List,

     Yesterday I removed the light switch bracket (fig. 20 3-5-2) in the 
engine compartment and as I was removing the bottom nut, the rachet was on an 
angle and i twisted the stud off.  I already have the rear bulkhead assembly 
off so I have access behind that right now.  There is foam thats covering the 
fiberglass body behind the rear bulkhead but I think that the 2 studs are 
connected to a metal plate and the metal plate is held in place by the foam 
on the fiberglass.  I was just wondering where I can get that metal plate 
with the studs on it or how would I be able to fix this problem?  Thanks for 
the help!

Later,
Nick
VIN#1852


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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:18:08 PDT
From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: muffler heat shield

Sean:
Do you have pictures of this posted anywhere?  If not, can you post some?  
Many would be interested in this seeing how the sheilds fall apart over 
time.
Brian 16584

>About a year and a half ago, I made a two layered heat shield to replace 
>the
>torn-up asbestos one.  I included a "lip" on the bottom to aid in pulling
>air in-between the stainless sheets for reducing the heat transfer between
>the sheets.  I have not had any problems, however, I do need to add a 
>spacer
>in one location as the stainless sheets tend to contact each other due to
>lack of support in that area (center/top area of the shield).  It also 
>looks
>pretty good.

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:41:28 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Stainless labels and other things...


Group,

      I have decided to buy the heat shield from PJ Grady. I am VERY 
interested in the one from DeLorean Steel Products, so I might do that as 
well. What I really want is the stainless lables that were for sale on ebay 
a while back....where can I get these? If not, I need to buy a label set 
from Houston. Any help here guys? I will keep you informed on what I do 
about my brakes. Also, I do not have the usual clock next to the dash light 
dimmer. Is this the way it is supposed to be? I mean there isn't even a 
hole. All the DeLoreans I have seen before had the clock. Any ideas? Also, 
what is the update to the dash lighting at night that I have been hearing 
about? What use are the amber lights? Thanks guys!

Sean
VIN 7003
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:03:26 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Stainless labels and other things...

.The late '81's had a Craig radio with a clock in the tape deck door. This
change happened around vin # 6158. I'm not sure how many of Craig radios
with the clock ended up being installed.

Bruce Benson


> Also, I do not have the usual clock next to >the dash light
> dimmer. Is this the way it is supposed to be? I mean there isn't even a
> hole. All the DeLoreans I have seen before had the clock. Any ideas? >
> Sean
> VIN 7003
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:07:52 -0400
From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Stainless muffler heat shield

I do not have any pictures of it right now, but I will take some tomorrow
and post them asap.  However, this will take a couple of days.  Once they
are ready, I will let you all know and I will place them in the vault.

Sean Howley
VIN#2345


> Do you have pictures of this posted anywhere?  If not, can you post some?
> Many would be interested in this seeing how the sheilds fall apart over
> time.




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:18:07 -0600
From: "Michael C. Babb" <michael.babb_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: stainless steel labels

I purchased a set of the stainless steel labels off of ebay about a year ago.  If you can find a set, I think they are a nice addition to the car. . .but be warned, they were made in the mid 80's, so the adheasive doesn't play well and you will probably have to use a heat gun to get the paper backing off.  I will try to post a few pics of the labels on my car in a few days . . .

Michael Babb


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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:36:44 CDT
From: "Sean Spurlock" <sean_dmc1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: muffler heat shield

I'll try and get pics of the shredded heat shield. I just ordered the PJ 
grady replacement. It looks like a belt broke and just shredded the shield. 
Asbestos was all over the engine, and I am still trying to clean it all up. 
I have no idea how long it has been like this since I just bought the car 
last weekend. Thanks guys!!!

Sean
VIN 7003


>From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn_at_dml_hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] muffler heat shield
>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:18:08 PDT
>
>Sean:
>Do you have pictures of this posted anywhere?  If not, can you post some?
>Many would be interested in this seeing how the sheilds fall apart over
>time.
>Brian 16584
>
> >About a year and a half ago, I made a two layered heat shield to replace
> >the
> >torn-up asbestos one.  I included a "lip" on the bottom to aid in pulling
> >air in-between the stainless sheets for reducing the heat transfer 
>between
> >the sheets.  I have not had any problems, however, I do need to add a
> >spacer
> >in one location as the stainless sheets tend to contact each other due to
> >lack of support in that area (center/top area of the shield).  It also
> >looks
> >pretty good.
>
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:29:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Jones <DreamCar_DMC-12_at_dml_mail.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless labels and other things...

My friends D is vin #6885 and his has the clock on the tape deck door

Mike



<..The late '81's had a Craig radio with a clock in the tape deck door. This
change happened around vin # 6158. I'm not sure how many of Craig radios
with the clock ended up being installed.>

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