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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 261

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. John DeLorean at the Fall Foliage Tour!
From: "Michael DeLuca" <>

2. Re: Getting doors to stay up
From: "Roger Brogren" <>

3. Delorean For Sale
From: "Mike $" <>

4. RE: need frequency valve help (resolved)
From: "Walter" <>

5. evansville

6. Re: DMC-12 in Phoenix
From: "Jim Reeve" <>

7. Power to the window motors
From: Jim Reeve <>

8. In need of parts # 101854 & 105660

9. Mesa Auto Works and others (was: Delorean Southwest Service Centers)
From: James Espey <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:30:24 -0000
From: "Michael DeLuca" <>
Subject: John DeLorean at the Fall Foliage Tour!

It's not true of course but I wanted to make one last shameless 
attempt to promote this event.
I have contacted the local paper and tourist magazine and they said 
they would give us a write up.
We should have 12-20 Deloreans and 2 Bricklins on Easton's Beach in 
Newport on Saturday October 21st.
This will be a great opportunity to promote the Marquee, so if you
own a DeLorean and can make this event not only will you have fun but 
you will help promote our hobby and the car we love so much!
Unfortunately I have to leave on business travel so I will not be
back until Friday Oct 20th the first day of the tour. You can leave
me an e-mail  at ladeluca at  but I will probably not 
get a chance to read it until Friday morning before I head out for
the Tour.

Dan ( will be at the Palisades Mall by the 
Tappen Zee bridge from 11:00 am to 11:30 and start the Caravan to 
Darien CT on I-95 between exit 12 & 13. I will join in at this
meeting location at 12:00 and hope to be on our way by 12:15 our next
official stop is in Old Mystic CT exit 90 off I-95 (the Aquarium 
exit). About 1 hour Break for lunch and off to the Pleasant View Inn 
in Westerly RI. 

Dinner is at 6:30 at Maria's Seaside Café in Westerly, if you have
not registered yet you can pay me that day before dinner( $35.00 per 
person). This will be followed by Tech Session Q/A at the Hotel with 
Rob Grady.   I hope to see many of you there.  This is my last post 
regarding the tour, if you need more info 
Please check the archives or someone on the list should have info 
regarding this trip.
Who knows maybe John will show up?

Michael DeLuca
Vin 3113


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:55:55 -0000
From: "Roger Brogren" <>
Subject: Re: Getting doors to stay up

Congratulations Kevin! I was following the e-bay auction on VIN4687 
but did not have the time to get to Texas for a look-see, however, I 
was still tempted to bid anyway! From the description I think that 
you got a good buy, 18000 miles, el doorlocks, cruise et al!

I noticed the drooping doors on the e-bay picture, the D that I am 
looking at looks the same. The present owner told me that the struts 
should be replaced, but not to buy the regular aftermarkets struts 
since they are generally not beefy enough. I recently bought new 
struts for my Porsche and they were quite a bit more expensive than 
the auto parts store variety. I believe the D struts are about $66 




Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:26:43 GMT
From: "Mike $" <>
Subject: Delorean For Sale

1981 Delorean DMC-12
29,XXX Miles
VIN #1118
- Coca-Cola Red (sometimes called Pantera Red)
- No Body Damage known, several body men agree there is nothing hidden.  
It's just an urban legend that they were only painted when damaged. -5-Speed 
2.8L PRV V-6 -Rarer Black Leather Interior -Gas flap on hood.
-Door Lift Struts
-Hood Struts
-Louver Struts
-Fuel Accumulator
-Starter Solenoid
-JVC El Kameleon Cd Deck
-Various Relays
-Tires (Expensive Eagles)
-Stainless Coolant Overflow tank
Also comes with a complete automatic coolant bleeder setup (not installed), 
and a full tune-up kit w/silver tips from PJ Grady ($300)
I really love this car, but I'm in college now and need some serious cash 
quick.  It drives like a Dream and I'm sure you won't find a better deal on 
a 29,xxx mile Carfax confirmed Delorean.  I'll give you a copy of the Carfax 
report with the car, The DMC Workshop Manual, and Owners Manual.  I've been 
told it isn't much of a task to return this car to it's original stainless 
look, but once you see the red in person you won't want to. Go here for some 
pictures of it next to my Fiero:
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Michael Schaefer
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:46:12 -0400
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: RE: need frequency valve help (resolved)

Thank you all for helping me finally get my car running better.
It turns out that my cold acceleration problem was a bad Lambda relay.
Somehow the electro-magnet coil inside the relay went bad.  That's strange
since it looked just fine -- no cold solder joints and no meltdowns.  The
more I pushed on the coil, the higher the resistance grew.  So for now until
DMC Joe sends me a new relay, I just close the contacts with a little
alligator clip when I want to drive the car.  I forgot to disconnect it when
I shut off the engine (it kept buzzing away with the engine off) and it
released the fuel pressure giving me vapor lock.  But that wasn't too bad.

Do any of you know if the frequency valve is supposed to always run whenever
the ignition is on, or does it decide to cycle off once in a while?  It
would make sense that it should run continuously since it is the duty cycle
of the pulses that matter and not whether or not pulses are present.

Special thanks to David Teitelbaum for suggesting checking the inputs to the
ECU.  After reading his suggestions, I looked through the service manual and
traced down the relay.  From the service manual alone, I wouldn't have
figured it out.  In it, they call the Lambda relay a 'fuel relay'.  Well, my
fuel pump was working fine, so it COULDN'T have been that -- but it was.  I
kept suspecting the control pressure regulator or a vacuum problem, but it
was neither.

Also thanks to Robert Rooney, Dave Stragand and Klaus from Germany.  You all
also posted replies that would have led me to the right answer, but I found
the problem the day before.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:12:11 EDT
Subject: evansville

check out the pic

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:19:30 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <>
Subject: Re: DMC-12 in Phoenix

I just got my car 2 months ago with a loan.  I bought it for $13,000 
from a Jaguar/Pontiac dealer.  I downpayed $6000 cash and got only a 
$7000 loan.  I was originally planning on a 4 year plan which would 
put me well within reach of the car.  However, when I went to go buy 
the car, I was shocked when the dealer told me my financing would not 
go longer than 3 years, and they gave me a higher interest rate too!  
Then the dealer told me how hard of a time they had getting any bank 
to finance it.  They finally got thier primary bank (Firstar) to get 
the loan only after several calls.  I asked them why this was so and 
all they would tell me was because of the car's age.  Just goes to 
show you what a lot of people think of the car.  What I would 
recommend is showing your bank a copy of DMC Houston's insurance 
letter.  If they know that this 19 year old car is by no means a 
junker, and acually quite a collector, I would imagine they would me 
more positive about giving you the money for it.  On a side note
your potential car, I say GO FOR IT!!!  It sounds great, with great 
miles, and a VERY great price!  Who cares if it needs front ties, get 
some Yokos for $200 bucks and your set to go!!  For less than
I would NOT pass this puppy up!  Good Luck Man!!!  

--- In, azelin242_at_dml_h... wrote:
>    Now here's an interesting question. When members of this list 
> purchased their cars (especialy those who bought them recently),
> much grief did the banks / financial institutions give you over 
> financing a car that age? My bank is asking for a 20% down payment, 
> an insurance binder for full coverage, with a $250 deductible, a 
> of the bill of sale, photographs of the car (front, rear, both
> and interior) and an inspection report. Did you all have to provide 
> that? If not, can anyone reccomend a place that is actualy FRIENDLY 
> towards people purchasing DeLoreans? My bank is just giving me a 
> really hard time. I can understand a lot of what they are asking 
> but the attitude (why are you paying so much for such an old car?) 
> really annoying. I'd like to be able to get my loan and get my car 
> easily, with less personality hassle. :P
> Thanks, DMCers
> Luke


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:24:53 -0500
From: Jim Reeve <>
Subject: Power to the window motors

Does anyone here know how much power the windows motors draw?  With a 30
amp fuse and capability to to run both at the same time, I would think
they would be no more than 15 amps each.  But I would also think there
would be a little gap so the fuse wouldn't blow as easy.  So would I be
about correct to say they draw 10 amps each?  I am wondering this
because of a little project I would like to do this winter.  Thanks.
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
'81 DeLorean-#6960


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:25:56 EDT
Subject: In need of parts # 101854 & 105660

    If anybody out there has one or both of these parts I would appreciate a 
private e-mail back to purchase them. The first item is a black binnacle and 
the last one (105660) is a 4 way hazzard switch. Thanks.

Bill (11096)


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:48:14 -0500
From: James Espey <>
Subject: Mesa Auto Works and others (was: Delorean Southwest Service Centers)

Mesa Auto Works
Northeast corner Center & McKellips
Stan Davis/Mike Bacon


Other shops are listed the Repair Facility Guide compiled by DML'er 
Bruce Battles.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas


>You mentioned a shop in Mesa, Arizona.  Do you or anyone on the list
>know the name and address of this shop?
>derric clark