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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 266

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. A DMC watch for the mailing list (update)
From: "John Schwab" <jschwab_at_dml_utkux.utcc.utk.edu>

2. Flashers
From: paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk

3. Is your name on this list?
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. DeLorean Rescue Opportunity
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

5. Re: Starting Problem
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

6. Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

7. Re: Starting Problem
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Very weird problem
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: Flashers
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Re: Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!
From: Patrick Cowan <cowan21_at_dml_erols.com>

12. Re: Very weird problem
From: Patrick Cowan <cowan21_at_dml_erols.com>

13. ADMIN: Web updates
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:59:37 -0700
From: "John Schwab" <jschwab_at_dml_utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
Subject: A DMC watch for the mailing list (update)

I just wanted to update the list members and catch anyone else who would
like to go in with us to get a watch made for their Delorean.  Once again,
the $41.00 stainless steel watch will be made by Timex, and will have a dark
gray face (not the blue that I had previously posted).  It's really sharp,
and can be viewed at:

web.utk.edu/~jschwab/delorean.html

I am not selling these watches, but rather just helping to form the 50 unit
minimum order we need to purchase these from Timex (the price will be
adjusted accordingly).  We still could use a few more people to fill the
minimum order.  Please email me privately and let me know if you are
interested, or if you have any questions about the watch at
jschwab(AT)utk.edu .

Thanks,

John Schwab
jschwab(AT)utk.edu






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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:08:20 -0000
From: paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk
Subject: Flashers

Hello my problem is the hazard flashers work ok,but on the left right 
turns on the colum doesn't.
They worked fine before I just put a radio in my car!
Is there a wire that connects to the hazards behind the center 
console that may have come loose?

Any help would be great.

Paul.UK.




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 19:59:19 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Is your name on this list?

If it is, I tried to email you and it came back and undeliverable. 
Please contact me via private email.

Stephen Collopy
Kurt Colin
Donald Ekhoff
Bev Johnson
Michael Pearcy
Tony Henderson
Jameel Ahed
Clay Hickman
Rich Galichon
Mark Greenfield
Murray Gintis
Randall Bell
Wolfgang Dipl-Ing Zach

Thanks!

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:06:27 -0500
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: DeLorean Rescue Opportunity

These hit the for-sale list from time to time, and tend to go quickly. Parts
car or rescue project?

Check the top listing at http://www.dmcnews.com/BuyNSell/dmcforsale.html

Dave Swingle - ad-manager at DMC news.




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:10:18 -0400
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Starting Problem

Mark,

I suggest checking the cold start valve circuit.

The cold start valve injects a shot of fuel to help a cold engine to start.
It does this only while the starter is cranking.  If the engine doesn't
start after a few seconds of cranking, then a heater inside of the thermo
time switch warms up and disables the cold start valve to stop the engine
from flooding.  But if the thermo time switch never lets the cold start
valve open within the first several seconds of cranking, then it will never
open until the thermo time switch has cooled back off again.

This might be why your engine will start one day and then not start the
next.  Each time the switch contacts inside the thermo time switch cool off
after either a failed starting attempt or after running the car, the switch
contacts may intermittently not reset.  Then the next time you try to start
the car, the switch cycles again.  Perhaps on the next cycle the contacts
will finally allow the cold start valve to operate.

.....So, maybe you have an intermittently bad thermo time switch.  Let the
car sit and cool off for a few hours and then check the thermo time switch's
contacts with an ohm meter.  There are two contacts.  The connection from
one contact to ground is the heating element that warms it up to stop
flooding during excessive starting.  You should measure continuity through
this path.  The connection from the other contact to ground is the circuit
giving power to the cold start valve.  If it is EVER open when the engine is
cold, then it is bad, bad, bad and your car may not start.

Another symptom that would support my hypothesis:  You never have this
problem once your engine is warmed up.  It is only a cold starting problem.

This idea is just a shot in the dark, but it's worth a thought.

Walt    Tampa, FL





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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:11:00 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!

Hello all,

If you haven't got one allready, I would really like to urge everyone on the list
to put a Fire-extinguisher in their cars!

up untill yesterday I didn't have one in either my DeLorean, nor my Ford Escort
and boy am I glad someone else did! I was just driving along in my Ford, when all
of a sudden thick ribbons of smoke emersed just behind my Steeringwheel.
I immediately stoped, shut off the ignition end turned off my lights (the smoke
came from my lightswitch), but they stayed on.

I pulled ALL fuses in a panic-reaction, but the smoke grew thicker untill I had
fot-long flames licking my windshield!
If it hadn't been for a passer-by with an extinguisher, I probably would only have
had a DeLorean right now and a scrapheap that used to be an Escort...

First thing I did after arranging a tow was buy two (one for each of my cars)
CO2-extinguishers; my Escort was put out with a Powder-extinguisher, and this really
makes a terrible mess (and smells very bad too!!!)

So everyone please put one in your car(s), if not for your own safety 
(and that of your car) then at least for the safety of everyone else on the road
besides you.

Thanx,

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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PS. DAGGER is all right; it's going to be my daily driver for a while...



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:03:38 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Starting Problem

Mark,

Most no start problems are related to the fuel pump circuit. Try the
following test the next time the engine will not start.

Locate the RPM (fuel pump) relay in the electrical compartment, if it is
attached to the electrical component frame remove it. With the relay plugged
into its socket insert a wire link jumper between the brown wire and
white/purple wire contacts of the relay socket. You should hear the fuel
pump running at the front of the car. If you don't hear the fuel pump
running you have the source of your no start problem. If you hear the pump
running try starting the engine; let me know the result of this test.

After you complete this test be sure to remove jumper from the RPM relay
socket.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <madmap70_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 5:08 AM
Subject: [DML] Starting Problem


> This problem I have had recently is very odd.  I am wondering if this is
the
> start of something that will eventually go bad or fail.  I start my car
last
> week and drive it around just fine on Sat.  On Sun, it cranks but will not
> start.  Usually if I let it sit for a day it will then start up ( I know--
> strange).  However, this time it didn't start for over a week.  It just
> cranked over but never started.  I've checked the obvious (fuel), fuses,
> looked to see if the relays are still tight, etc. and it still didn't
start.
> Then just two days after doing all this and re-checking the above
mentioned
> items, I tried to start it again and after three attempts it started.
>
> This behavior has me stumped as to what could be causing this to occur
since
> sometimes it starts just fine and just recently it wouldn't start at all.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Mark
> 16728





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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:07:51 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Very weird problem

Chris,

Have you checked your transmission fluid level?

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:24 AM
Subject: [DML] Very weird problem


> Hello,
>
>     Lets start off with what happened, I was on way to the grocery store
in
> my Delorean. Ok, I made a turn and went straight, all of a sudden I looked
at
> my rear view mirror and my car was smoking heavily in the rear. I
immediately
> pulled over and got out of the car. I don't know if it was coming from
under
> the car or the engine itself, but it was really smoking. I assumed the
engine
> got too hot, but the temp was only at half way. I waited until my car got
> cooled off, and started it up again. I pulled into the grocery store
parking
> lot and all of a sudden my car wouldn't move, I pushed the gas, and
nothing,
> I kept pressing the gas, and nothing moved. Luckily I had enough momentum
to
> get in a parking spot. I waited for the engine to cool some more, after
that
> I started the engine again and tried to put the car in reverse and park
> straight because I didnt park it right, I dropped it into reverse and it
> started going (I have an automatic trans), when I pushed the gas, it would
> go, I put it into drive to straighten and pushed the gas,...nothing
happened,
> its like I had it in neutral or something, I press the gas on drive and
only
> the RPMs go up. I tried putting it in "1" and "2" and nothing. I had to
push
> it into the spot, and I had my friend help me tow it back, (he has a
truck).
> Anyone know what happened?
>
> Chris
> 11388
> Rahway, NJ





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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:12:03 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Flashers

Paul,

Your flasher problem is probably at the hazard switch. Reach behind the
center console and move the wires/plug leading to the hazard switch while
the directional signals are turned on and see what happens.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <paulheymeson_at_dml_thefreeinternet.co.uk>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 8:08 PM
Subject: [DML] Flashers


> Hello my problem is the hazard flashers work ok,but on the left right
> turns on the colum doesn't.
> They worked fine before I just put a radio in my car!
> Is there a wire that connects to the hazards behind the center
> console that may have come loose?
>
> Any help would be great.
>
> Paul.UK.
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
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> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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>




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:08:32 GMT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!

At last the proof we've all been waiting for - the DeLorean is a much better 
car than the rest of the world's cars ;)

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759 w/a fire extinguisher (just in case) :)


>From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>Subject: [DML] Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!
>Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:11:00 +0200
>
>Hello all,
>
>If you haven't got one allready, I would really like to urge everyone on 
>the list
>to put a Fire-extinguisher in their cars!
>
>up untill yesterday I didn't have one in either my DeLorean, nor my Ford 
>Escort
>and boy am I glad someone else did! I was just driving along in my Ford, 
>when all
>of a sudden thick ribbons of smoke emersed just behind my Steeringwheel.
>I immediately stoped, shut off the ignition end turned off my lights (the 
>smoke
>came from my lightswitch), but they stayed on.
>
>I pulled ALL fuses in a panic-reaction, but the smoke grew thicker untill I 
>had
>fot-long flames licking my windshield!
>If it hadn't been for a passer-by with an extinguisher, I probably would 
>only have
>had a DeLorean right now and a scrapheap that used to be an Escort...
>
>First thing I did after arranging a tow was buy two (one for each of my 
>cars)
>CO2-extinguishers; my Escort was put out with a Powder-extinguisher, and 
>this really
>makes a terrible mess (and smells very bad too!!!)
>
>So everyone please put one in your car(s), if not for your own safety
>(and that of your car) then at least for the safety of everyone else on the 
>road
>besides you.
>
>Thanx,
>
>JAN van de Wouw
>Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
>Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
>
>#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
>
>check out the Delorean-Files at:
>http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
>------------------------------
>
>PS. DAGGER is all right; it's going to be my daily driver for a while...
>
>
>Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
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>
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>moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:14:27 -0400
From: Patrick Cowan <cowan21_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!

whoops...

Did you take your car to ford a few years back for the ignition recall? That
was the big problem with them. They'd bury, and not QUIT burning. I work at
ford, so i will be happy to provide you with more information if necessary.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan van de Wouw" <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:11 AM
Subject: [DML] Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!


 > Hello all,
 >
 > If you haven't got one allready, I would really like to urge everyone on
the list
 > to put a Fire-extinguisher in their cars!
 >
 > up untill yesterday I didn't have one in either my DeLorean, nor my Ford
Escort
 > and boy am I glad someone else did! I was just driving along in my Ford,
when all
 > of a sudden thick ribbons of smoke emersed just behind my Steeringwheel.
 > I immediately stoped, shut off the ignition end turned off my lights (the
smoke
 > came from my lightswitch), but they stayed on.
 >
 > I pulled ALL fuses in a panic-reaction, but the smoke grew thicker untill
I had
 > fot-long flames licking my windshield!
 > If it hadn't been for a passer-by with an extinguisher, I probably would
only have
 > had a DeLorean right now and a scrapheap that used to be an Escort...
 >
 > First thing I did after arranging a tow was buy two (one for each of my
cars)
 > CO2-extinguishers; my Escort was put out with a Powder-extinguisher, and
this really
 > makes a terrible mess (and smells very bad too!!!)
 >
 > So everyone please put one in your car(s), if not for your own safety
 > (and that of your car) then at least for the safety of everyone else on
the road
 > besides you.
 >
 > Thanx,
 >
 > JAN van de Wouw
 > Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
 > Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
 >
 > #05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000
 >
 > check out the Delorean-Files at:
 > http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
 > ------------------------------
 >
 > PS. DAGGER is all right; it's going to be my daily driver for a while...
 >
 >
 > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
 > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
 >
 > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
 > moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
 >




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:14:21 -0400
From: Patrick Cowan <cowan21_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: Very weird problem

Chris-

     I own 3 Hondas, and my 1991 Honda has had this problem NUMEROUS times.
Plan on sinking some money, as it sounds like the tranny may have to be
rebuilt. Checking a tranny 's fluid level is crucial to auto trans.
survival. I now know this due to 7 rebuilds on my 91, and no, i'm not
kidding. Fluid tends to leak in weird ways in it. You can check it in the
morning, and by mid day, it was like, empty. Take your Delorean to a
certified DELOREAN mechanic, because nobody should touch it without factory
certification. The bonehead who did my honda wasn't very "certified" or
professional. Much luck to you!

Patrick Cowan
No Vin Yet
cowan21_at_dml_erols.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:24 AM
Subject: [DML] Very weird problem


 > Hello,
 >
 >     Lets start off with what happened, I was on way to the grocery store
in
 > my Delorean. Ok, I made a turn and went straight, all of a sudden I looked
at
 > my rear view mirror and my car was smoking heavily in the rear. I
immediately
 > pulled over and got out of the car. I don't know if it was coming from
under
 > the car or the engine itself, but it was really smoking. I assumed the
engine
 > got too hot, but the temp was only at half way. I waited until my car got
 > cooled off, and started it up again. I pulled into the grocery store
parking
 > lot and all of a sudden my car wouldn't move, I pushed the gas, and
nothing,
 > I kept pressing the gas, and nothing moved. Luckily I had enough momentum
to
 > get in a parking spot. I waited for the engine to cool some more, after
that
 > I started the engine again and tried to put the car in reverse and park
 > straight because I didnt park it right, I dropped it into reverse and it
 > started going (I have an automatic trans), when I pushed the gas, it would
 > go, I put it into drive to straighten and pushed the gas,...nothing
happened,
 > its like I had it in neutral or something, I press the gas on drive and
only
 > the RPMs go up. I tried putting it in "1" and "2" and nothing. I had to
push
 > it into the spot, and I had my friend help me tow it back, (he has a
truck).
 > Anyone know what happened?
 >
 > Chris
 > 11388
 > Rahway, NJ
 >
 >
 > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
 > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
 >
 > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
 > moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
 >
 >




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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:13:06 -0500
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Web updates

I've uploaded a couple of new subscriber and pic-o-the-month photos at
http://www.dmcnews.com/potm.html .

Rich W has started one of the hobby's wierder collections. And there are
some new "MyDMC" photos as well. Keep 'em coming. I got behind and now its
almost November. Anyone got some good photos from Evansville Autofest?

Dave Swingle





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