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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Clutch is bleeding (instead of bleeding the clutch)
From: debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl

2. DeLorean in N.Irish newspaper
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>

3. DeLoreans cause accidents!!! (well, indirectly)
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Re: Very weird problem
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

5. rear window defogger switch
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>

6. Re: DeLorean in N.Irish newspaper
From: "Kevin Creason" <k_creason_at_dml_hotmail.com>

7. 4514 and 5501 please reply
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>

8. Safety Alert
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. twin turbo question
From: "J.D. Robbins" <jrobbins_at_dml_brit.ca>

10. normal oil pressure
From: "Kevin Creason" <k_creason_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: twin turbo question
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

12. Fall Foilage Tour 2000
From: "Ben Maxwell" <ben_at_dml_benmaxwell.com>

13. Missed Last Event
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Clutch is bleeding (instead of bleeding the clutch)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

15. Re: twin turbo question
From: Knut Grimsrud <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

16. Droopy Doors
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

17. Re: twin turbo question
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

18. LHD RHD conversion
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>

19. Re:Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

20. DMC for sale
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>

21. Re: twin turbo question
From: azelin242_at_dml_hotmail.com

22. Fall Foliage tour...
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

23. trying to find Gordon Carpenter
From: David Cox <dmcox_at_dml_inetworld.net>

24. enrichment problem
From: dmcfrancis_at_dml_aol.com

25. Vegas?
From: azelin242_at_dml_hotmail.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:57:49 -0000
From: debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl
Subject: Clutch is bleeding (instead of bleeding the clutch)

Hi,
I read a posting about bleeding the clutch which maybe helpful to me 
but I have another problem, maybe someone can send me in the right 
direction.
My hydraulic clutch line is leaking near the end of the car. When I 
fill my reservoir it will be empty after about a week and a half. 
When I look under my car at the rear, you can see the fluid lying 
under the car. 
Can anyone tell me where the leak is? Is it near the slave cylinder 
or is it the connection on top of the transmission?

Mads de Bruin
VIN#06881




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:33:01 +0800
From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
Subject: DeLorean in N.Irish newspaper

Just read a pretty positive article about John Delorean in the 'News
Letter', a newspaper from N.Ireland. My parents posted me the full page
article which appeared in the paper on 16 October, 2000.

It recounted how the DMC fairytale came to an end blaming the Brit.Govt. for
pulling out too soon and the FBI for their dastardly acts! It goes on to
talk about the new car proposals.

Cheers,           IAN
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 02:54:54 HST
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DeLoreans cause accidents!!! (well, indirectly)

I met Dave Teitelbaum at the Palisades Park Mall on friday in the morning. 
We were parked in the middle of the lot awaiting any other DeLorean owners 
to show up for a caravan to the Fall Faliage tour. While waiting, we heard a 
loud screech and a crash! We turned to see a late model Jeep Grand Cherokee 
take out the side of some 4-door economy car that was just parked. The 
driver got out and yelled "F--K!" I walked over to see what happened, and 
after a few minutes of conversation, he admitted that he was looking over at 
our cars saying to himself "are those DeLoreans?". And then the next thing 
he knew, his bumper was performing a customizing job to someone's car in the 
lot. It was a shame that it happened, and I do feel sorry for both the giver 
and recipient of the accident, but none the less, it was kinda funny... At 
least it wasn't really our faults. You'll all be happy to know the driver 
left his info for the owner of the parked car on the windshield. And I wrote 
the plate number down and put it on the windshield as well. So, all should 
be ok. :-)

---Dan
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:59:16 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Very weird problem

dmcdelorean2_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

> . . . I made a turn and went straight, all of a sudden I looked at
> my rear view mirror and my car was smoking heavily in the rear.

If there were no flames, then this might have been steam from a coolant leak.
Generally, things that make smoke without flames build up gradually, while sudden
plumes came from fires and steaming coolant leaks.  What color was the smoke?
How did it smell?

> I assumed the engine got too hot, but the temp was only at half way.

Usually the temp indicator will clue you in to coolant leaks quickly.  Maybe your
tranny developed a leak?

DMC Joe recommended that you check your tranny fluid level.  This is a good idea,
but I think that you need to have the engine running to get a proper reading.  If
all your coolant has leaked out you should not start your engine.  So my
recommendation is to first make sure that you have plenty of coolant, and that
your water pump looks okay, and that your cooling fans operate normally.  Then
start your engine and check your tranny fluid level.

Regardless, we need more information to make a full diagnosis.

- Mike




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:14:22 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <michael_at_dml_babbtechnology.com>
Subject: rear window defogger switch

Anyone have a used rear window defogger switch they want to get rid of? It
is basically for an experiment, so just about any (working) condition will
do.

Thanks!

Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA, CCNA
Senior Network Consultant
Enterprise Security
BlueStorm Consulting
Raleign, NC
919.510.6868
michael.babb_at_dml_bluestorm.com




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:38:46 GMT
From: "Kevin Creason" <k_creason_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean in N.Irish newspaper

Well, dang it. What's the name of the paper? Maybe they have an online 
version that we can all read.


>From: "ian" <ian_at_dml_netvigator.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] DeLorean in N.Irish newspaper
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:33:01 +0800
>
>Just read a pretty positive article about John Delorean in the 'News
>Letter', a newspaper from N.Ireland. My parents posted me the full page
>article which appeared in the paper on 16 October, 2000.
>
>It recounted how the DMC fairytale came to an end blaming the Brit.Govt. 
>for
>pulling out too soon and the FBI for their dastardly acts! It goes on to
>talk about the new car proposals.
>
>Cheers,           IAN
>***************
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:01:38 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: 4514 and 5501 please reply

Hello, could the owner of 4514 and the owner of 5501 please reply to 
me privately.  I just have a couple questions for you.  THANKS!

Erik Geerdink
4512




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:25:38 -0000
From: "jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net " <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Safety Alert

To The List
Having seen this weekend in Rhode Island many cars I want to alert
the 
list to a potential safety problem. The hood is stopped at closing by 
two hood bumper stop screws. They can be adjusted up and down. On the 
hood are two brackets that do not touch the bumper stops, they are 
called restraining brackets and in the event of a severe front end 
accident are meant to prevent the hood from breaking the windshield 
and entering the passenger compartment.If the bumper stops are 
adjusted too low ie: they are not just touching the hood when closed 
the restraining brackets would not engage in the event of an
accident. 
Also check that the restraining brackets are correctly angled so as
to 
engage the bumper stops. An added advantage to correctly adjusting
the 
bumper stops is that the edges of the hood won't bounce while you 
drive. Push down on the corner of the hood when closed and if it
moves 
you probably need to adjust the stops. Alternatively you could put a 
dab of grease on the bumper stop and close the hood. Afer reopening 
check to see if some transfered to the hood. Do not raise the bumpers 
so much that they put an upward pressure on the hood, they should
just 
be touching it. Do not use the bumpers to align the hood with the 
fenders.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757
ps. We had a great weekend in Rhode Island and many thanks to Mike 
Deluca for making it a great event.




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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:59:17 -0400
From: "J.D. Robbins" <jrobbins_at_dml_brit.ca>
Subject: twin turbo question


Maybe DMC joe or someone could help me.

Every once in a while I come across a Delorean for sale that says "v6
twin turbo, factory installed".

I realize that the stock v6 in the Delorean has a flavour that allows
for the twin turbo, but were any actually twin turbo from the factory?

How many differences are there between the stock v6 and the twin turbo
version?

It is pretty obvious that if you do anything to your delorean that takes
away from it original stock configuration, it will actually reduce its
value (although I have seen some people who painted their deloreans and
thought they were worth more...), so I'm very learly of considering the
twin turbo option.

My delorean is in very good shape so I'd hate to do anything that would
reduce its value.

Thanks to all who reply.

(please reply to jrobbins_at_dml_brit.ca and on the list please)

Best regards,

J
-- 
J.D. Robbins 
Lead Software Developer
BRIT Inc. http://www.brit.ca
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:25:37 GMT
From: "Kevin Creason" <k_creason_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: normal oil pressure

I've finally got my D, and have driven twice now.

The oil on the dipstick looks good, clean, good operating level, typical 
weight. But the oil pressure gauge shows it running towards the top end of 
the scale, around 70 (I think). Is this normal?

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:59:27 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: twin turbo question

That's easy...  0, zero, zip, none left the factory with "Twin Turbo".

There was a subcontractor for DeLorean, "Legend Industries" that was developing
a Twin Turbo DeLorean to be sold in 1984.  DMC went out of business before any
were produced.

There were however a small number of "Legend" card that were sold at the auction
for Legend Industries.

Rob Grady (of PJ Grady) was asked this weekend in Rhode Island how many "Legend"
cars he knew about.  He explained that he was at the auction for Legend
Industries, and if I remember correctly, this is his account of the cars sold:

4 cars with what was supposed to be the final design of the Twin Turbo.  This is
the version found in car #502 that was for sale (on consignment I think) by DMC
Houston last year.  

2 cars with the Renault Alpine setup.

2 cars with a prototype twin turbo setup.  I happen to see one of these cars at
PJGrady earlier this year and it looked similar to the Island Turbo kit.


Maybe Mike Deluca can correct me if I made any mistakes, he has it all on video
tape.


"J.D. Robbins" wrote:
> 
> Maybe DMC joe or someone could help me.
> 
> Every once in a while I come across a Delorean for sale that says "v6
> twin turbo, factory installed".
> 
> I realize that the stock v6 in the Delorean has a flavour that allows
> for the twin turbo, but were any actually twin turbo from the factory?
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:38:01 -0000
From: "Ben Maxwell" <ben_at_dml_benmaxwell.com>
Subject: Fall Foilage Tour 2000

Hhumble thanks to Mike & all the folks at the FFT2K -- Rich & Nancy, 
Scott, David, Mark, Dan, Josh, Gary, Nick, et al.  "Major props" to 
the Gradys, Rob & Debbie.  I learned a great deal and had a terrific 
time... esp. at Flo's Clam Shack -- a truly once in a lifetime event, 
well worth the trip up from Philly.  I'll put few of my pics from the 
event up on the egroups file section & submit to dmcnews.com.

Ben
#6976




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:38:58 EDT
From: DLoff80_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Missed Last Event

Hello all,

After begging and pleading, I could not get out of my Nat'l. Guard 
committment, and had to go to WestPoint NY to work at the Army-Tulane game. I 
live in RI, and am very upset that I missed the show in RI. (I mean come on, 
how many times does anything come to RI???) So, if anyone has any pics on 
here, would you help an enthusiast out by letting me know where they are so I 
can see what I missed? 
Thanks

Dave Loffler
Johnston, RI
VIN- "In a few years"



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:05:58 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Clutch is bleeding (instead of bleeding the clutch)

Your clutch fluid leak is a result of a seal failure inside the clutch slave
cylinder.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <debruin_at_dml_dia.eur.nl>
Subject: [DML] Clutch is bleeding (instead of bleeding the clutch)
> Hi,
> My hydraulic clutch line is leaking near the end of the car. When I
> fill my reservoir it will be empty after about a week and a half.
> When I look under my car at the rear, you can see the fluid lying
> under the car.



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:20:14 -0700
From: Knut Grimsrud <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Re: twin turbo question

Marc Levy wrote:

There were however a small number of "Legend" card that were sold at the auction for Legend Industries. Rob Grady (of PJ Grady) was asked this weekend in Rhode Island how many "Legend" cars he knew about. He explained that he was at the auction for Legend Industries, and if I remember correctly, this is his account of the cars sold: 4 cars with what was supposed to be the final design of the Twin Turbo. This is the version found in car #502 that was for sale (on consignment I think) by DMC Houston last year.

Recently uncovered DMC records indicate that the following vehicles were assigned to Legend as "engineering cars":

VIN 502 (5-speed)
VIN 528 (5-speed)
VIN 530 (5-speed)
VIN 558 (5-speed)

This information and more will be in the upcoming DMC chronology study that I hope to have posted in another week.

	Knut




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:24:21 +0100
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Droopy Doors

Remember the gas struts are not the only thing to blame for droopy doors,
I recently sent mine to our English DeLorean Expert Dave Howarth and he
kindly tested them and sent them back to me saying that they were fine,
(a classic example of a true DeLorean lover not trying to flog me a new
pair for profits sake).
He told me it was probably the torsion bars, after making myself a tool
and with great care adjusting the bars the doors were as good as new
and I have not had to change the struts since. I only had to twist the bar
approximately 2 notches and the doors went fully up without any hint of
sagging after all the torsion bar like the gas struts is going to loose its
spring over time.

good luck

James RG

[MODERATORS NOTE - IT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED PRACTICE THAT YOU SHOULD ONLY ADJUST THE TORSION BARS WITH FRESH GAS STRUTS IN PLACE. TORSION BAR ADJUSTMENTS SHOULD NOT BE USED TO COMPENSATE FOR WORN STRUTS.]



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: twin turbo question

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, J.D. Robbins wrote:

> I realize that the stock v6 in the Delorean has a flavour that allows
> for the twin turbo, but were any actually twin turbo from the factory?

Only prototypes, and they are quite rare.  In actuality they are not made
at the factory, but by engineering companies such as Legend (which made
the most promising prototype).

> It is pretty obvious that if you do anything to your delorean that
> takes away from it original stock configuration, it will actually
> reduce its value (although I have seen some people who painted their

It's not as obvious as all that, at least not to me.  I know I would pay a
premium for a turbo car, although probably not enough to cover the cost of
the kit.

In the case of the Island turbo kit, there are no chassis modifications or
internal engine modifications.  If it should happen that the collector
value of DeLoreans should skyrocket, the turbo kit could easily be removed
and the car restored to stock condition.  But in today's market, I would
expect a turbo-equipped car to sell for at least as much as a car in
comparable condition with a stock engine.  To a collector, obviously the
value is reduced, but most buyers today want a car to drive.




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:39:08 +0100
From: "Vin#5462" <dmc12_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: LHD RHD conversion

I am going over to California in May 2001 and I was planning on buying
another DeLorean while over there and having it transported to the UK but I
am really planning to get it converted to right hand drive before having it
shipped across. Does anyone know who ca do this conversion and how much I
will cost?


Cheers


James RG
England




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:05:31 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re:Put a fire-extinguisher in your car!

In a message dated 10/22/00 11:17:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl writes:

<< If you haven't got one allready, I would really like to urge everyone on 
the list
 to put a Fire-extinguisher in their cars! >>

Good idea.  I have one too.  Go to a lot of car shows and you'll see a lot of 
extinguishers in a lot of cars.  It's not a "DeLorean issue" it's an eighteen 
year old car issue.  (Or a lot younger!)

-Wayne
vin 11174



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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Andrews <fen2k_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC for sale

Hi guys.. if you or anyone you know is intrested in
buying a fine example of a delorean.. take a look at
this.

http://www.cyveillance.com/delorean.htm



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:24:31 -0000
From: azelin242_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Re: twin turbo question


> In the case of the Island turbo kit, there are no chassis 
modifications or
> internal engine modifications.  If it should happen that the 
collector
> value of DeLoreans should skyrocket, the turbo kit could easily be 
removed
> and the car restored to stock condition.  

How difficult is it to perform the twin-turbo 'upgrade'? How much 
does the kit (if there is a kit) cost? Is it a real improvement?

Sorry about the 20 questions, but thats an option in CONSIDERING for 
mine.


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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 06:11:25 HST
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Fall Foliage tour...

Kudos to Mike DeLuca for organizing the tour. Mike and his wife (Lori Ann), 
are very nice people and are fun to hang around with. The tour must not have 
been an easy thing to organize, and it went really well. There was never a 
dull moment. I'm looking forward to future events in the coming year.


Also, thanks to Rob and Debbie Grady, from PJ Grady in NY, who showed up. 
Rob performed complimentary minor repairs and adjustments on some of the 
cars... including mine :-). Thanks Rob!

---Dan
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Cox <dmcox_at_dml_inetworld.net>
Subject: trying to find Gordon Carpenter

Gordon - Please contact me.  I don't have your new address since you changed jobs.

Thanks,
Dave Cox
vin 16367



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:05:06 EDT
From: dmcfrancis_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: enrichment problem

I have a weird problem my car sputters and almost dies. Sometimes when I give 
it gas it will almost die but if I pump the gas pedel lightly it will come 
out of it..My problem dissapears when it is warmed up but if I am at a stop 
light for a minute or more it will start to die out again. I have replaced 
all my fuel injectors and fuel filter, I have also replaced the controll 
pressure regulator. My problem improved a bit when I had discovered I had no 
ground wire for the Frequency valve I replaced it but she still has the same 
problems just not as bad...What could it be??? P.S my vacume line are routed 
correctally and I have replaced all relays and circut breakers and a RPM 
relay...I am confused.....HELP!!!!



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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:35:50 -0000
From: azelin242_at_dml_hotmail.com
Subject: Vegas?

Am I right in beleiving there is some kind of DeLorean gathering in 
Vegas soon? I seem to remember seeing something about it somewhere, 
but for the life of me, I can't find the article now. I should have 
my DeLorean within a week or so, and I'd love to take it to Vegas and 
meet up with some other DeLorean owners. If anyone can give me some 
info on this possible meeting, I'd appreciate it. If there is NO 
Vegas gathering, and I'm imagining things, are there any DeLorean 
owners in the Phoenix area who would like to get together sometime? I 
suppose that sounds a bit pathetic, but I'd like to be reassured that 
I'm not the only 'D' owner in my area. :P

                               Luke




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