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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2
From: "Dave Swingle" <>

2. Re: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2
From: Mark Fearer <>

3. repainting trunk & repair shop

4. Re: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2
From: "Professor Frink" <>

5. Delorean For Sale
From: "Mark Mazz" <>

6. DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.
From: "Robert Rooney" <>

7. Oil Change info...
From: "Nathan E. Green" <>

8. Re: normal oil pressure
From: Mark Noeltner <>

9. Re: DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.
From: "SteveDMC" <>

10. RE: DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <>

11. New Manuals

12. Re: Droopy Doors
From: " " <>

13. Re: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2

14. Re: Torquing lug nuts
From: " " <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:36:45 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <>
Subject: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2

--- In, "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Is it true what the report tells us?

It is important to note that Jim Mateja, the columnist that wrote the 
cited article, has a long history of being not exactly sympathetic to 
DeLorean with respect to Car, Company or Man. The tone of this 
article is typical of any of his columns mentioning DeLorean. He has 
been a columnist here in the Chicago area for many years, and has 
mentioned DMC several times in past columns.

From the replies so far it would appear that his comment is 
technically "the truth" but the implications are different from 
others' observations. It's an editorial column, not a news story. 

Dave Swingle


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Fearer <>
Subject: Re: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Dave Swingle wrote:
> It is important to note that Jim Mateja, the columnist that wrote the 
> - - - 
> mentioned DMC several times in past columns.
  This reminds me of Hillel Levin, author of 'The Maverick Mogul' and
'Stainless Steel Illusion'. Does anyone know if he is still around? Also,
does anyone know why he seemed to be so negatively biased against JZD and
the DMC-12?

Mark Fearer
vin 3072


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:58:11 EDT
Subject: repainting trunk & repair shop

    The previous owner of my car had the trunk all decked out with stereo 
equipment(removed before I purchased car).  It looks as if he painted the 
fiberglass several times and now it is starting to chip and peal.  I was 
wondering what color paint I should use when repainting it.  should I just 
sand the old stuff down and paint over it?
    Also, does anyone know if Dan Pfiefer Lincoln Mercury in Grand Rapids 
will still works on DeLoreans.  I called a while back and they said no.  I 
was just told by a former employee that they will now and then, just curious 
to see if anyone has used them.  From what I understand they were one of the 
largest DeLorean dealers at one time.  They had a huge auction to sell the 
remaining cars I remember.(almost 25 I believe)
    My DMC is going to a dealer on Thursday that has never worked on a 
DeLorean before but the mechanic seems to loves Volvos and does great work on 
my VW....Well, I gotta call the wrecker now.  I bet I get a stupid Cocaine 



Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:09:29 GMT
From: "Professor Frink" <>
Subject: Re: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2

Well, for what it's worth, the car has been getting some pretty nice write 
ups in the Uk recently. But thanks the history the car has, and the common 
misconceptions that many people, (and, sadly, journalists) have, write ups 
like that will plauge us forever. No 'profesionalism' there, I'm afraid.


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:04:13 -0400
From: "Mark Mazz" <>
Subject: Delorean For Sale

I've decided to sell my Delorean I've owned since the mid 80's.  Every so
often,  I reluctantly offer it for sale.  I created a website with pictures
for all that are interested.  It has 3,000 original miles, 1981 Automatic,
pristine body, original leather still looks new and it drives great.  I took
it off the road back in 1987.  I drive it around the block once a week.  I
also have the original cardboard cleaning kit that came with the car and the
original Goodyear NCT radial tires .  Anyone interested can check it out at
the website or in person.


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:50:05 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <>
Subject: DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.

A long while ago someone mentioned that they heard that DeLorean One 
came out with a DeLorean R/C car. It looks as though one is currently 
for sale on e-Bay.

Hopefully this too answers a long running question as to if the R/C 
cars were ever produced or not.

vin 6585


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:56:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Nathan E. Green" <>
Subject: Oil Change info...

   I am planning to do an oil change and I have a few questions. I am sure
this has been covered before, so please bear with me. This is my first oil
change since aquiring the car ~2000 miles ago.(I can't tell as I have a
broken angle drive). Anyway, the owner said the oils had just been changed
and the oil still looks golden brown--however, I am desperately hoping to
get rid of a valve knock.
   The #4 valve is knocking. Marty and I adjusted the valves correctly and
rechecked--the car sounds MUCH better than before. However, the #4 lifter is
sticking, or something b/c that valve is noisy. I have tried additives with
no sucess.
  So, I have heard of running a bit of kerosine in the oil for 5min at an
oil change to clean it out. Anyone heard/tried this? Marty, you mentioned
it. Can anyone give me a procedure. I am hoping that it will unstick the
noisy valve. If this doesn't work, I guess I am looking at replacing the
valve/lifter because I have tried everything else--i.e., the specs indicate
the valve is properly adjusted. Any comments?
   Secondly, what is the capacity of refill of oil if I change the oil
filter? I know it is somewhere around 7qts.
   Thirdly, I got a couple of cross reference filter numbers off the web.
Any brands you can recommend? I heard some interfere with the "pressure
sending unit". Of course, I have Marty's updated unit, so I'm not sure. Can
Marty or anyone out there help me? Thanks in advance.

Nathan E. Green

"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're gonna' see
some serious s--t"
-Doc Brown: "Back to the Future"

Say Bye to Slow Internet!


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:12:59 -0500
From: Mark Noeltner <>
Subject: Re: normal oil pressure

Yup. It's normal. Actually the oil pressure isn't as high as the gauge
indicates. There is something of a mis-match between the sending unit and
the gauge that causes the gauge to read near the top of the scale when
above idle.

One of our club members took the time to test various sending units and
located one that will replace the factory unit and give correct pressure
readings on the gauge. You can check it out, along with other parts, at  under the Parts area.

Mark Noeltner
VIN 6820
Mid-State DeLorean Club

At 04:25 PM 10/23/00 GMT, Kevin Creason wrote:
>weight. But the oil pressure gauge shows it running towards the top end of 
>the scale, around 70 (I think). Is this normal?


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:36:32 -0500
From: "SteveDMC" <>
Subject: Re: DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.

Is that a DeLorean One logo on the car?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Rooney" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: [DML] DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.

> A long while ago someone mentioned that they heard that DeLorean One 
> came out with a DeLorean R/C car. It looks as though one is currently 
> for sale on e-Bay.


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:48:01 -0400
From: "Michael C. Babb, MCSE, MCT, MCP-I, CNA" <>
Subject: RE: DeLorean R/C car on e-Bay.

It is indeed a DeLorean One logo on the car. . .In spite of that, I am still
bidding on it.  It would give me great pleasure to paint over that!

Hi Ed!

Michael Babb


Message: 11
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:37:49 EDT
Subject: New Manuals

Dear List Members-

As some of you know, I'm working on editing, correcting, augmenting and 
updating the DeLorean manual series.

My immediate goal has been to build a technical library for the purpose of  
research.  I've also have spoken with and have committments from five of the 
six leading DeLorean specialists and others who are willing to help as they 
have time, either proofreading or donating articles they have on hand. (One 
of the 5 wishes to remain anonymous out of concern for liability issues, 
which is why you never see him respond in the DML.  I've already discussed 
that issue with my attorney.)

I've continued my quest for original DeLorean publications, since the quality 
of the widely available copies is often not too great.  Perhaps there is 
someone out there who can help me with this-   So far I have:

1. DeLorean World from the beginning, plus the separate reprint from the 
first two years of DW tech notes.*
2. An original 1981 manual with assorted papers
3. Photocopy of an original 1982 owners manual
4. Reprint 1982 owners manual 
5. Workshop manual and Parts manual (reprints) came with car
6. Technical Info Manual, original
7. Assorted  original '81 Volvo repair manuals, including CO2 adjustment, 
CIS, etc.*
8. Assorted parts bulletins- original,. including unpublished material
9. Reprinted Service Bulletins 
10. Reprinted Tech Info Manual 
11. Original Bosch Fuel Injection Systems manual including '81*

*Of course, DW and the Bosch and Volvo manuals are still under valid 
copyrights and cannot be excerpted from unless permission is obtained, which 
is probably unlikely to be granted.  I know better than to infringe on a 
copyright. They're interesting for background information, and would be very 
useful if permission to quote was granted. So far, I haven't asked. 

What you may be able to help me with is this: I need access to originals of 
the Workshop Manual, Parts Manual, Service Procedures Manual, Technical 
Owners Manual (NOT Tech. Info. Guide) and service bulletins.  I realize the 
likelihood of finding anyone willing to sell or loan any of these items is 
slim.  I also realize what they're worth.  (Don't ask what I paid for the 
original items I have obtained... I don't want to think about it!) 
Nevertheless, if you can help with this, please contact me privately.  
If I have to scour ebay for months trying to get the rest of these materials, 
it's going to take a lot longer!  Maybe years.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

Wayne A. Ernst
vin 11174
The New DeLorean Manuals Project


Message: 12
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:04:08 -0000
From: " " <>
Subject: Re: Droopy Doors

I am working on a way to measure the force of the torsion bars with 
Rob Grady. By doing this simple test we will be able to determine if 
the torsion bars are the problem, the struts or both. It will be able 
to be done without the need to have a "new" strut for testing 
purposes, in fact the only tool will be a ruler! It will also be 
independent of temperature.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, "Kevin Creason" <k_creason_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I'd like to know more about testing the struts. Does Dave or anyone 
> some detailed information about how many pounds of pressure, or 
> they should have?


Message: 13
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:18:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: News Article about JZD & DMC2

Hillel Levin, author of "The Maverick Mogul" and "Grand DeLusions" (not SSI) 
is still around. He was featured several times in the "E! True Hollywood 
Story: John Z DeLorean" and I also saw him at the movies in the Detroit area 
once. I felt like saying something to him, but as a PASSIONATE DeLorean 
owner, I was afraid I would get out of hand arguing with him. Oh well.

As far as his career....Im not completely sure, but as far as I know, he is 
still an automotive editor and commentator.

VIN 5172


Message: 14
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:18:16 -0000
From: " " <>
Subject: Re: Torquing lug nuts

It is allright for a shop to use an air impact wrench with a very 
important qualifier-ONLY torque the wheels on with a "torque stick". A 
torque stick is a special extension that is calibrated to a specific 
torque. Each one is a specific color and is to be used at a specfic 
setting on the air wrench. If the shop doesn't know what a torque 
extension is then don't let them use the air wrench. Their main 
concern is not warpage or removal but having a wheel fall off. After I 
go to a shop I take the wheel off and reinstall myself with a torque 
wrench. Also don't just tighten 1-2-3-4. You should alternate and do 
say 1-3-2-4. And don't forget to check the air pressure, most shops 
are very careless and just assume everything gets #30 psi or whatever.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Walter,
> Not a superstition; The back issue is absolutely correct. Most "run 
of the
> mill" repair facilities are set up to service standard steel wheel