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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Inertia Switch Impact force
From: "Jeff " <>

2. Re: Automatic or Manual
From: "Erik Geerdink" <>

3. Re: new geometry heavy duty sway bar
From: "Walter" <>

4. aftermarket stereo installation

5. Chat room (was AOL Chat Scheduled)
From: "Steve Rubano" <>

6. RE: Re:1982 DMC is concours?
From: Dee Moats <>

7. Re: Coolant Leak?
From: "Steve Rubano" <>

8. Water in spark plug holes (was Re: Running rich)
From: "Steve Rubano" <>

9. Re: Headlight problems (Again, and still)
From: "Jim Reeve" <>

10. RE: Re:1982 DMC is concours?
From: "Doc" <>

11. Re: Re:1982 DMC is concours?
From: Mike Substelny <>

12. big coolant leak... somewhere
From: Christian Williams <>

13. Re: Backlighting the dash
From: "Robert Rooney" <>

14. fuel management help
From: Jim Strickland <>

15. My defroster switch exploded!
From: "Steve Bunnell" <>

16. DeLorean Chat Room
From: "Vin#5462" <>

17. Re: Backlighting the dash

18. Plug leads
From: "Chris C" <>

19. Re: Backlighting the dash
From: Noah <>

20. Re: Inertia Switch Impact force
From: "Jim Reeve" <>

21. Re: DML-Running rich
From: "Steve Rubano" <>

22. Re:1982 DMC is concours?
From: "Steve Rubano" <>

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:24:27 -0000
From: "Jeff " <>
Subject: Re: Inertia Switch Impact force

  (Moderators Note:  With this posting the thread on the function of the Inertia switch is dead. All further postings will be deleted unless they contain additional info on this topic)

It is my understanding that the inertia switch works in the event of 
a collision.  The force of the collision throws the switch.  This way 
if you get in a wreck the fuel pump is shut off.

If you had a wreck without the switch the electric fuel pump would 
continue to run pumping fuel.  If you had a fuel line burst you would 
increase your chances of a fire.  Also, without the intertia switch 
your engine would continue to get fuel and run(unless there is some 
other safety device that will kill the engine).

I would want to be sure to have this safety device...

Just my 2 cents worth...



Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:56:47 -0000
From: "Erik Geerdink" <>
Subject: Re: Automatic or Manual

Both are very dependable.  I recommend looking in the back issues 
about this subject.  It has been covered many times.  If you want you 
can e-mail me privately and I'll tell you my experiences with both.

Erik Geerdink


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:43:25 -0500
From: "Walter" <>
Subject: Re: new geometry heavy duty sway bar


I heard a story about someone having a sway bar break in '82.  He was going
at slow speed, and it nearly caused him to hit the curb.

My reason for wanting to replace it is that I just spent almost $2000 on a
set of new low profile rims and tires.  The front rims are 7" wide instead
of the OEM 6".  Now I have the rims hitting my sway bar because they stick
into the wheel well deeper.  But my OEM wheels hit the sway bar on both
sides anyway.  Another friend's Delorean is the same.  Spots on his sway bar
on both sides are polished from the wheels rubbing in sharp turns.

Can you say what model Corvette your poly bushings came from?

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:13:03 EST
Subject: aftermarket stereo installation

Hey List,

has anyone here had any experience in installing an aftermarket stereo in 
their delorean?  i would like to put the nice pioneer deck from my other car 
in a "D".  does anyone have any experience with wiring harnesses, and most 
importantly, mounting kits for a truely 'stock' look??



Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:13:37 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
Subject: Chat room (was AOL Chat Scheduled)

For anyone that does not have AOL (I know many of you don't) and want 
to participate in a real time chat session, you can visit my web site 
( and go to my chat page. I opened a chat 
room on my site for anyone to use. You will need to have Internet 
Explorer or Netscape with Java enabled to use it. No membership is 
required to access it and it is free for anyone to use it. It is on 
24 hrs a day 7 days a week and the only schedule you'll need is to 
make sure that your friends or other Delorean enthusiast are there to 
chat with (otherwise you'll be talking to yourself). You can use the 
message board I created to post scheduled chats so you don't use/bog 
down the DML with it.

I've also added a live real time voice chat (powered by 
to the chat page that you can use with your microphone to talk to 
other members of the room who activate it. Unfortunately it will only 
work for people who are running Windows 95,98,ME,NT or 2000. If 
anyone out there would like to try it on other operating systems and 
see if it works, please let me know. 

The Chat window will work with any operating system with the above 
web browsers I mentioned. Give it a shot and try it out. It is not 
moderated so it's an "On your honor" system that you do not flame, 
use profanity , etc...If I find anyone abusing the chat room I will 
have no choice but to password protect that page and I will give out 
a password to members who subscribe through me, free of course.

If you have ANY questions or problems you experience using the chat, 
please email me at dmcman73[at]


--- In, RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> The AOL DeLorean chat will be scheduled for Wednesday at 5 pm
> Pacific, 8 eastern.  It will be in the Special Interests catagory,
> under the title "DeLorean Chat".  We'll be there until everyone
> goes home, and I'm not sure if it will be an everyday thing, so
> for right now we'll plan it for Wednesday evening and see how
> it goes.  (If the room happens to fill up, I'll start a second one.)
> So for all the AOL members who want a place to go to talk
> about DeLoreans, come prepared to talk!  I hope you have fun,
> Richard


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:23:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Dee Moats <>
Subject: RE: Re:1982 DMC is concours?

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:41:28 -0600, Gus Schlachter at  dmcnews_at_dml_

"Amongst cars that are driven daily, the only measure of perfection is the
level of joy the car imparts unto the driver, and in that case we're all

I second the point that Gus has made about daily drivers.  It is the main
reason I have owned and driven my Delorean since 1982.

Say Bye to Slow Internet!


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:34:24 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
Subject: Re: Coolant Leak?

DMC Joe is right that the only way to find an "Invisible" coolant 
leak is to do a pressure test on the cooling system. 

If you are going to do an oil change and are looking for coolant 
leaks into the oil, you'll know. You will have green "puddles" 
floating in the oil. As for not seeing any coolant on top of the 
engine, maybe it is evaporating BUT you should still see some signs. 
For example: You should see some whitish stains so to speak on the 
metal or dry green spots. If coolant is leaking into your oil you 
could have either a bad head gasket or a bad seal that is in between 
the piston sleeve to the block (very unlikely since you would find 
oil in your antifreeze also). To determine a bad head gasket without 
taking any thing apart you need to perform a cylinder leak down test 
that requires a leak down tester and an air compressor.

If coolant is leaking into your cylinder itself, you will get that 
antifreeze burning smell. With the car running at normal operating 
temp, (outside of course)stand behind the car. You will smell sort of 
a sweet smell coming from the exhaust. That is a good indication that 
your engine is burning antifreeze. Again to check for that perform a 
Cylinder leak down test. Any mechanic should be able to do this for 
you if you don't have the correct tools. The cylinder leak down 
tester is fairly expensive.

I've had experienced (with my Jeep that has the same type cooling 
system) coolant leaking from the bottle to cap. Usually leaked as the 
engine was running. Run the car in park and open the engine cover. 
When the car gets to it's normal operating temp, watch to see if any 
anti-freeze "spits" out from the radiator cap.

let me know if any of this was helpful.



Message: 8
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:39:18 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
Subject: Water in spark plug holes (was Re: Running rich)

Here's a little suggestion: apply a small amount of high black RTV 
sealant in/around the groove of the seal on the wire before placing 
them onto the plugs. This will create a better seal and keep out the 
water/moisture but it won't seal it permanently so you can remove it 
when you need to change wires/plugs.



Message: 9
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:58:45 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <>
Subject: Re: Headlight problems (Again, and still)

Try removing one of the healight assemblies.  Use a volt meter to 
determine if the low beams are acually getting power.  If they are, 
clean the contacts and/or buy a new headlight.  If they are not 
getting power try the low beam relay in the electrical compartment.  
If memory serves me correct I believe it is the far right relay 
(drivers side) on the front row. (when looking down on it).  You can 
listen if it is clicking or not when you push the headlight button.  
If it is clicking then you probably have a loose contact somewhere 
assuming your headlights are good.  If it is not clicking, try 
removing it and placing a jumper wire between the very top and bottom 
connectors.  If the headlights come on, its a bad relay.  If they 
still dont come on, I would guess again that there is probably some 
bad connections somewhere along the harness.  Email me directly if 
you still need a hand, or would like me to come over and help.

Jim Reeve
'81 DeLorean-#6960
AIM - Ultra2169


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:48:52 -0500
From: "Doc" <>
Subject: RE: Re:1982 DMC is concours?

Lets make this real simple ......

The concours events are held, to encourage persons to preserve a car in it
original condition, as it was intended to be from the factory. Final, that
is the way it is and that is the way it should be.

If your car does not fall into this category there are other shows, that you
can enter.

Trust me on this one, as my Delorean would never come close to concours, but
I have entered other shows and have fair quite well.

Please lets give this a rest,
Robert Starling


Message: 11
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:51:25 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: Re: Re:1982 DMC is concours?


Marc A Levy wrote (to James Espey):

> I just re-read this message, and do not
> see a definition of "Concours", but I do
> see you talk about your experience with
> Corvette shows.

The original American Concours that spawned all others in this hemisphere is the
Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance™.  Info is available here:

This is not necessarily the perfect benchmark for the DeLorean, since original parts
are not available for many cars made in the 1920s and 1930s, but it is a starting
point.  The Pebble Beach website has an enlightening page on "What it Takes to be
Best of Show" by Paul Woudenberg.  Here are a few choice quotes:

      "First, no matter how good the cars
       appear at first glance, they are not all
       perfect. The intensely focused inspection
       of learned judges often uncovers slight
       errors in the historical accuracy of a
       restoration. Body parts, interiors, high
       tension cables, spark plugs, radiator
       caps, and hose clamps are all scrutinized
       carefully. Overtly visible errors, such as
       the use of modern fabrics or materials,
       are spotted instantly. The substitution of a
       replacement part not quite like the
       original in the engine compartment is

      "Overrestoration (another fatal mistake) is
       difficult to define directly, but it generally
       involves an attempt to make something
       into something more than it was
       initially, an attempt to better it."

      "A good restoration takes this into
       consideration; it rests on attention to
       accurate historic detail. And good
       judging ferrets out the errors of detail
       that defeat many potential winners."

The Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance™ is perhaps the most prestigious collector car
event in America, maybe the world.  The fact that the DeLorean Marque has an event
that aspires to a similar character can do much to enhance the cachet of  DeLorean
automobiles.  I am proud to drive a car of such significance that it merits a
Concours.  Nobody runs a Concours for my neighbor's Honda Accord.

No offense, but the judgeing standards that Marc proposes would be like that for
cars of lesser consequence.  That is not a Coucourse d’Elegance.

Fortunately, as of last June, Ken Koncelik runs an event at which both types of
DeLoreans may be judged.  Trailer queens and daily drivers alike may win prizes,
although they may not compete for the *same* prizes.

FWIW, at the Saint Louis DOA Expo two of the Concourse competitors were daily
drivers that had a few of the minor modifications Marc mentions.  They did not take
first place, but thanks to the dedication and hard work of their owners those cars
held their own.  If you got a close look at them you would have seen that they were
in good shape overall, and pretty darn clean.

> Mike made a good point earlier in this thread
> that a Porche concours expects that the owner
> has made improvements on the car, and that a
> perfectly original car would not be a winning car...
> So who is correct?

The Porsche Club of America defines Concours d'Elegance as: "An event where cars are
judged for cleanliness and or ginality. There are several levels of judging and many

I also found a website that discusses Porsche Concourse competition here:

Perhaps the idea of modified Porsches winning concours competition comes from this

        "Most experienced concours judges
         will tell you that a new car never
         driven may, on average, score half
         the points of a concours winner! In
         this type of competition, the entrants
         trailer their prized possessions to the
         site, unload them to be judged, and
         then load them back up to go home."

Just because a Concours winner looks better than showroom new does not mean that the
Coucours car has been modified.

In defense of Marc, I have to agree slightly.  My wife is a former PCA member and we
attended a few Porsche events together.  They judge Porsches in several categories,
and the "Performance Modified" Porsches seemed to carry much more prestige than the
"Factory Original" Porsches.

However, my late fater-in-law was a Mercedes Benz Coucours d'Elegance judge, and in
those events the perfectly original cars got all the glory.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280, 7 years


Message: 12
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:53:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <>
Subject: big coolant leak... somewhere

Ok, remember that scene from Back to the Future when Einstein is sent into
the future 1 minute? And then when the car stops, all the steam shoots out
of the back? Yeah, that was me last night (minus the time traveling part).

I was in stop and go traffic in the rain last night, and then got onto
another highway where i got up to full speed for about a mile. When I got
off the highway, I noticed the steam shooting out of the back of my
car. With all the talk of deloreans catching on fire lately on the list, i
feared the worst. Anyway, all of the steam seemed to be coming from right
near the plastic coolant resevoir. I got a tow home and then inspected the
car. I took the coolant bottle out and checked it out for cracks. I
couldn't find any, and all of the hoses seemed tight with no obvious holes
of their own. 

My car is post-VIN 1234, so I have the later coolant system. There's only
a couple connections right in that area that it could be. So my current
plan of action is to pick up a stainless steel coolant resevoir and
possibly replace the 2 hoses (one that runs from the bottle to the pipe,
and the pipe to the water pump) that are in the area. Should I be checking
anything else? Has this happened to anyone before?

Thanks, and happy halloween!



Message: 13
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:13:24 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <>
Subject: Re: Backlighting the dash

If you want to make your binnacle lights brighter, bypass the 
rheostat. The gagues will become brighter and much more crisp!

vin 6585


Message: 14
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:25:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Strickland <>
Subject: fuel management help

My D has been sputtering since I got it- I found a loose connector in the
bucket with the windshield washer bottle, and a really bad ground connection
underneath the air filter - other sputterers might want to check these

anyway, I need more help.  I was driving down the highway when my 'cruise
control' kicked in.  THen I remembered that the car doesn't have cruise
control!  I put it in neutral and found that the engine was naturally
revving at 5k RPM.  I thought it was a stuck accelerator, but I checked it
and it's not.  THe butterfly valve seems to be fully closed.  The frequency
valve, I'm not sure if it's working, but it could just be becuase everything
else is so loud!  What are the symptoms of a frequency valve not working?  I
thought the frequency valve not working would lower the idle.. that's what
it was doing before.. Is it important that the frequency valve is oriented

The car does not idle well at all, also.  When idling (will only idel with
idle screw adjustment), I disconnected the idle speed regulator and nothing
changed... I suppose this is bad...  THere's so much stuff to look at that
isn't working right I'm not sure where to start... Any ideas?

Thanks in advance...

Jim 1537


Message: 15
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:44:43 -0000
From: "Steve Bunnell" <>
Subject: My defroster switch exploded!

Hi List,  

My defroster switch exploded!  I opened it in the wrong position and 
it's insides went everywhere.  I have all the parts for mine, but it's 
in peices.  Is there anyway someone could look at the inside of your 
switch and maybe draw me a diagram of how it fits together.  I found an 
archived message from Josh Haldeman, who fixed his own switch.  Maybe 
you can help me out Josh... or someone... please... anyone...?

Thanks for putting up with my silly problem,

-Steve Bunnell


Message: 16
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:50:22 -0000
From: "Vin#5462" <>
Subject: DeLorean Chat Room

Hi All

I have created a chat room in Microsoft chat which most users should have,
if not you can download I from

Log onto the server labelled           

and into the room named                      #DeLoreanChat

I am not sure if this will work but I have held some successful chat
sessions in the past using Microsoft chat

good luck and hope to see you there.

p.s. if you are asked for a password it is        dmc12


Message: 17
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:51:56 -0000
Subject: Re: Backlighting the dash

--- In, jdsjlv_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Dear List,
> With the new digital dash coming, I wondered if it was possible to 
take the 
> original dash gauges and make a backlit version? 

I used to be a part of what I guess you'd call the 'domestic 
dominance' compact racing scene. (shudders) I remember that there was 
a company, for the life of me I can't remember their name, but they 
would make backlit dashes in factory configurations, in different 
colors. All you had to do was send them your dash, and they'd make 
it. I know that black and sliver were two of the background colors 
you could have. there was a large choice of numbering colors you 
could have, too, and they could light up in either green, blue, red 
or 'indiglo' colors. I think a black background with sliver numbers 
that light up in green would look great, without spoiling the look of 
the interior. I'll try and find the website and I'll post a link here.



Message: 18
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:17:19 -0000
From: "Chris C" <>
Subject: Plug leads

<<SNIP>> The OEM wires have a 
special seal around them to prevent this, which all the aftermarket 
wires I have seen DON'T HAVE. <<SNIP>

Although this is probably true of most plugleads, I have found a 
better substitue. I bought Bosch plugleads which have an even better 
seal around the sparks. Instead of just one rubber "top" on top of 
the plug it has a deep groove in the rubber so that you must put the 
leads on more carefully so the top slides completely around to cover 
the plugs well. These have been more effective in my opinion but that 
may just be me.


Message: 19
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:25:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Noah <>
Subject: Re: Backlighting the dash

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 wrote:

> With the new digital dash coming, I wondered if it was possible to take the 
> original dash gauges and make a backlit version? 

> This way, we can retain the original gauges, warning lights and logo
> and have a cleaner look when the headlights are on. Any ideas?

Other than saying "If someone were to place an order, I'd order one," not
much. :) Having the gauge needles light up as well would be really cool, I
just have no idea how practical it is.

VIN 2867

"Where's my fruit cup?" "Behind the bison."
                        -- Kevin & Kell (Sept 22, 1995)


Message: 20
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:29:50 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <>
Subject: Re: Inertia Switch Impact force

OK, I know the moderator just declared this thread dead, but my 
question was never answered.  By the sounds of it, I'll take it you 
all recommend that I DO get a new inertia switch to replace the one 
removed from my car?  Thats what I was unsure about doing.  Please 
reply to me directly (ultra'at'  Thanks.

Jim Reeve

>   (Moderators Note:  With this posting the thread on the function of 
the Inertia switch is dead. All further postings will be deleted 
unless they contain additional info on this topic)


Message: 21
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:45:14 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
Subject: Re: DML-Running rich

Another note on the engine running rich, It can and will clog the 
Catalytic converter. Inside the cat is a ceramic type material that 
is in the shape of a honeycomb with very tiny holes. If the emision 
is sooty (or to rich) it will clog these small holes and constrict 
your exhaust. That can also cause your cat to glow red. 



Message: 22
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:51:59 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <>
Subject: Re:1982 DMC is concours?

The bottom line is this: If you have a concours car, it is likeley 
NOT a daily driver so saftey is not a huge issue. Most cars are 
trailored to shows just for viewing pleasure or they are driven 
around for like a total of a Half hour at times. The saftey issues on 
the Delorean could be temporarily bypassed until the car reached it's 
final destination to be judged (such as disconecting the original 
Lock module, removing the fan fail relay and using a jumper wire with 
fuses...etc...) then replaced/plugged back in with all of the 
original items once it was parked and ready to be judged.