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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: My defroster switch exploded!
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

2. Re: aftermarket stereo installation
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

3. Re: Inertia Switch Impact force
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>

4. Re: Up and running
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

5. Re: water pump dead?
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Re: fuel management help
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

7. Re: big coolant leak... somewhere
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Re: Headlight problems (Again, and still)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

9. Re: My glorious return
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

10. Silicon Water Hoses
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

11. Re: My defroster switch exploded!
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

12. Re: Water in spark plug holes (was Re: Running rich)
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

13. Re: Automatic or Manual
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

14. Accessable chatroom that anybody can use(DeloreanChat)
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

15. Re: Free VIN search
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

16. Re: My glorious return
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

17. Ownership map
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>

18. Re: Re:1982 DMC is concours?
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>

19. Re: Free VIN search
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>

20. Re: Re: Inertia Switch Impact force
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. additional note: Water in spark plug holes
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

22. Chat room update
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>

23. Delorean For Sale, PRICE LOWERED AGAIN
From: "Hotmail" <sheilaridez_at_dml_hotmail.com>

24. Re: Re: Non- starter.
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>

25. no start-new problem
From: drinkware <drinkware_at_dml_lweb.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:05:32 EST
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: My defroster switch exploded!

I don't know about a defroster switch exploding, but when I
bought mine I found that it wasn't working...it just teeters to one
side and doesn't "click" to go on or off.  Would anyone else know
how to fix this?

Please e-mail at RJRavalli_at_dml_aol.com.  It's one of the many "small"
repair issues I will be asking about in the future.

RJR



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:13:23 -0600
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: aftermarket stereo installation

If you need a new radio mounting plate for the console, check the Mid-State
DeLorean Club web site. http://www.midstatedmc.com/  under Parts. One of
the guys has a plate that can be made up with a DIN opening in it instead
of the older style shafts. He can make them up with any size as long as it
will fit.

I have some 9-pin connectors to match up with the original factory radio
wiring harness. They aren't on the web page yet. $6 incl. shipping to the
US. E-mail me privately if you are interested.   mark(at)buffalochips.org

Mark Noeltner
VIN 6820


At 01:13 PM 10/31/00 EST, you wrote:
>Hey List,
>
>has anyone here had any experience in installing an aftermarket stereo in 
>their delorean?  i would like to put the nice pioneer deck from my other car 
>in a "D".  does anyone have any experience with wiring harnesses, and most 
>importantly, mounting kits for a truely 'stock' look??
>
>Andy



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:16:40 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <Jan_at_dml_vdWouw.Demon.nl>
Subject: Re: Inertia Switch Impact force

"Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net> wrote:

> I think you are wrong about the inertia switch activating when it is
> inverted.  It is called an inertia switch because it works on inertia, i.e.
> activated by a sudden shock.

It was my understanding that the plunger is pushed up by a ball laying in a cup;
when the car turns over or if a shock is applied the ball comes up out of the cup,
thus pushing up the plunger. The Inertiaswitch shuts off the fuelpump AND
unlocks both doors if they were locked...

I remember seeing an illustration of the inner workings of the InertiaSwitch,
but I can't find this picture anymore (it's late...) Maybe someone else
knows where to find this illustration?

JAN van de Wouw
Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

#05141 "Dagger" since Sept. 2000

check out the Delorean-Files at:
http://www.deloreanfiles.nl/
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:09:21 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Up and running

----- Original Questions -----
From: Matthew P. Olans <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: [DML] Up and running

ANSWERS PROVIDED BY DMC JOE
DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>

(Q) "Is the cost of braided steel worth it, i.e. will they be more durable
for the cooling system and should they last any longer?"
(A) Steel braided coolant hoses are on over kill and not cost effective.

(Q) "Should I invest in a Fanzilla?"
(A) The Fanzilla is the best choice to make your cooling fan system both
efficient and reliable.

(Q) "Should I replace the otterstat?"
(A) The cost of the otterstat is under $21 and is easily changed when the
cooling system is being serviced.

(Q) "My right side exhaust manifold gasket is going, can I do any damage by
driving it."
(A)  No.

(Q) "The climate control only works with the fan speed in 4 and the
defroster selection does not blow out the defroster vents."
(A) Start your repair procedures by replacing or repairing the AC mode
switch.

Thanks!
Matthew
VIN #10365







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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:07:31 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: water pump dead?

David,

You said: "I used to get a ssssss noise when I removed the overflow cap but
I no
longer do." Is this the case even when the engine is hot?

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:01:29 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: fuel management help

Jim,

A non working frequency valve will make little difference in the idle speed.
If your idle has jumped to 5k RPM's your throttle plates must be stuck open.
Temporarily disconnect the accelerator cable from the throttle spool and see
if this corrects the problem.

In order for the engine to operate efficiently throughout its entire range
both the frequency valve and idle speed motor must be operational.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:06:05 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: big coolant leak... somewhere

Christian,

Many plastic coolant bottle failures are at the bottom seam and cannot be
detected unless the leak is in progress. To determine exactly where the leak
is originating conduct a cooling system pressure test. If you don't have a
pressure tester most service facilities do and can perform the test for you.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:08:52 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Headlight problems (Again, and still)

John,

More than likely both low beam filaments are burnt out.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

-



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:25:12 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: My glorious return

Noah,

To test the idle speed microswitch operation; with the engine turned off,
have an assistant push and release the accelerator while you listen for a
"click" back at the engine compartment. If you don't hear a click the switch
is out of adjustment. If you do hear a "click" start the engine and ground
the black/green wire connected to the microswitch. If the idle drops to
normal the microswitch is defective.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 11:09 PM
Subject: [DML] My glorious return


> So, the question is, how to I test for microswitch failure (short of
> ordering a replacement and seeing if it works)? And if it passes, how to I
> test the ECU? And if /that/ passes, what else could it be?
>
> Ok, that's three questions. So I lied. Oh, I don't (yet) have the shop
> manuals, so I'm gonna need a bit of a walk through. I'll buy one when I
> have money again, which may be a little while. Did I mention that I just
> bought a delorean? :)
>
> Noah
> VIN 2867 (and loving it, I might add)
>





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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:04:08 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Silicon Water Hoses

In response to a question regarding the silicon water hoses. Yes, Rob
does use silicon hoses on the ones behind the water pump. He says he has
had great success with these.  They compress better than the OEM hoses
and don't have the problem with freezing temp leaking issues.   I just
has my entire cooling system hoses replace except for these as they were
just done a few years ago when the water pump was changes but I WILL get
them replaced with the silicon hoses when the time comes.  If you are
due for replacement of these hoses don't even think of using something
else.  Call Rob.


Tom
#0005732 MT

If you have a chance check out my new site.

www.geocities.com/outatime81







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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:11:59 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Re: My defroster switch exploded!

Hey Steve,
Contact Rob Grady at PJ Grady (www.pjgrady.com), he has instructions 
on putting the defroster switch back together. Very helpful since it 
is written with drawings. He can fax it to you.

Steve
www.dmcman.homestead.com




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:18:19 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Water in spark plug holes (was Re: Running rich)

The plug wires sold by our store, DMC Houston, and PJ Grady contain the
double sealing boots. If water enters the plug receptacle either the boot is
not seated properly or the rim that the boot seals to is dirty.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <steven.rogers_at_dml_us.cgeyc.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Water in spark plug holes (was Re: Running rich)


> I find water still gets in the spark plug holes even with OEM covers if
you
> take the car through
> a car wash with the motor off.  It seems if the motor is running, due to
> vibration and heat, water
> doesn't get in (like a drive-through car wash).
>
>
>





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:19:12 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Automatic or Manual

Joel,

Both the 5 speed manual and 3 speed automatic transmissions are well built
and reliable. The manual trans has few internal problems but the clutch
components will have to be replace when worn out. The auto trans contains a
computer which is prone to failure from heat and age.

In the long run both transmissions are extremely reliable and cost of repair
at 100k miles would be about the same. The decision on which DeLorean
transmission is the best choice should be based on personal choice.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: W.D.SEARLS, JR. <Buckeye99_at_dml_copper.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:30 PM
Subject: [DML] Automatic or Manual


> I have been wanting to know the pros and cons of owning a manual or an
> automatic. I have heard bad stories about automatic(expensive repair
costs)
> and the same about manual(not very durable). If anyone would like to offer
> their educated opinion please do so.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
>




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 03:51:58 -0000
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Accessable chatroom that anybody can use(DeloreanChat)

A free chat room is located at:URL to Chat room: 
http://www.egroups.com/group/DeloreanChat,if you have been on the DMC
of Texas chats,it is the same type of chat room,and is accessable
24/7/52,please feel free to use it anytime,as it can be accessed by
anybody that can get online,on the site just click on chat,and that 
will put you in the chat room.It is unmoderated,but if anybody wants 
to moderate.that could be arranged,otherwise feel free to use the 
chatroom at anytime.

Claude
vin#000570
 URL to Chat room:
 http://www.egroups.com/group/DeloreanChat 






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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 04:15:54 -0000
From: "Claude " <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Free VIN search

If you are using Carfax,it is NOT 100% accurate if you look up Vin #
SCEDT26T3DD016686(1983Delorean)you will see that it shows it as 
a "Clear titled" Delorean,But in fact when I bought it, it had a 
Salvage Title to it,and I repaired it and sold it with a Connecticut 
certified "Repaired" Title(And I let the new owner in on that fact)
But yet Carfax shows it as a UNMOLESTED perfect Title,best best is to 
do a Trace thru your local Motor Vehicle,and talk to the prevoius 
owners. 

Claude
Vin#000570


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> This search is good (should be good) for any car that has been 
titled in the
> US or Canada.  I'm only doing this for Deloreans.
> Later,
> Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:28:09 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: My glorious return

Noah, 
I will test your ECU unit for nothing. All you have to do is send it to me. 
As far as the Microswitch. I can sell you a new one for $19.95 or your's can 
be checked for proper operation with a VOM meter. Very simple. You can buy 
VOM meters as low as $9.95 in hardware stores. Contact me at Dherv10_at_dml_aol.com 
if you would like further help.
John Hervey 



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:58:15 -0500
From: Brian Henderlong <bhender1_at_dml_tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Ownership map

There is a REALLY cool map of Bricklin ownership at:

http://www.bricklin.org/WhereAreThey.htm

It sure would be neat to see a similar map of DeLorean ownership!


- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL
- Visit my <a
href="http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm">Painted
DeLoreans</a> website
- Visit my <a
href="http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/brakes.htm">Impala SS</a> website



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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:59:55 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy_at_dml_dnrc.bell-labs.com>
Subject: Re: Re:1982 DMC is concours?

Most of the support I am getting for this debate is in private mail...

Otherwise, it now seems like I am the only one on this "side".

You have all made excellent points for your argument.  Not to say I agree with
them all, but they are good.


I Fold.



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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:42:05 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Free VIN search

So far the VIN searches, for the most part, have been very interesting.  For
list members I have done 17 searches.  On 12 of those I found relevant
information, and 5 had no data available.

Some Deloreans have liens recorded, some have inconsistent odometer
readings, one had a front end collision reported.  If you live in a county
that requires emissions inspections, these are reported fairly consistently
as either pass or fail.

It's worth a shot anyway.  I need your complete VIN number and an e-mail
address to send it back to.  Send requests to me privately at
whalt(at)att.net

Later,
Walt    Tampa, FL




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:29:43 GMT
From: "Fronzel Neekburm" <MIst_hunter1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Inertia Switch Impact force

>All fuel injected cars
>are now required to have an inertia switch in the event of an
>accident. They are also required to have a circuit that will shut the
>fuel pump off if the motor is not running hence the need for the RPM
>relay.

Realy? what year was it when that was a required item on all fuel injection 
engines? I've never seen anything that comes close to a interia swich on any 
of my saabs, (all w/ fuel injection) but there is a RPM relay on them, so 
(besides unlocking the doors at impact) don't they do the same thing? (w/the 
fuel pump)
John

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:10:55 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: additional note: Water in spark plug holes

The area I am suggesting to put the RTV sealent on is on the rubber 
cap that sits ontop of the spark plug "well" NOT the spark plug 
itself. This will hold the rubber cover on the wire in place and keep 
out moisture and water.

Sorry fro any confusion

Steve
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Here's a little suggestion: apply a small amount of high black RTV 
> sealant in/around the groove of the seal on the wire before placing 
> them onto the plugs. This will create a better seal and keep out 
the 
> water/moisture but it won't seal it permanently so you can remove 
it 
> when you need to change wires/plugs.
> 
> Steve
> www.dmcman.homestead.com




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:32:24 -0000
From: "Steve Rubano" <srubano_at_dml_optonline.com>
Subject: Chat room update

Hey everyone I just wanted to let everyone know that last night we 
had a sucessful unexpected chat session on my website (good trial 
run). The only bad thing about the chat room that is on my site is 
there is no Name list of anyone that is in the room. However, 
everytime someone joins it is posted in the chat window with the name 
they come in as or change, same thing holds true when they leave. 
This will be my last posting about the chat room on the DML since I 
don't want to bog it down with repetitive info. To schedule or to 
check scheduled chat sessins, go to my site and look/post on my 
message board there. I hope to see you all there soon. Like I said, 
it's there for anyone to use at anytime and you don't need to 
download, install or configure anything, just need to use Netscape or 
Internet Explorer.

Thanks and happy chatting!

Steve (aka. dmcman)
www.dmcman.homestead.com




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:16:39 -0600
From: "Hotmail" <sheilaridez_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Delorean For Sale, PRICE LOWERED AGAIN

OK, here is the new information on my 81' D for sale.
I would like to sell this as quickly as possible, as I've found a Fiat Spider to buy and need to pay off some of my college bills.
1981 Delorean DMC-12 
29,XXX Miles 
VIN #1118 
- Coca-Cola Red (sometimes called Pantera Red) 
- No Body Damage known, several body men agree there is nothing hidden. It's just an urban legend that they were only painted when damaged. 
- 5-Speed 2.8L PRV V-6 
- Beautiful Black Leather Interior 
- Embedded Antenna in windshield 
- Gas flap on hood 
New: 
-Door Lift Struts 
-Hood Struts 
-Louver Struts 
-Fuel Accumulator 
-Starter Solenoid 
-JVC El Kameleon Cd Deck 
-Various Relays 
-Tires (Expensive Eagles) 
-Stainless Coolant Overflow tank 
Also comes with a complete automatic coolant bleeder setup (not installed), and a full tune-up kit w/silver tips from PJ Grady ($300) 
I really love this car, but I'm in college now and need some serious cash quick. It drives like a Dream and I'm sure you won't find a better deal on a 29,xxx mile Carfax confirmed Delorean. I'll give you a copy of the Carfax report with the car, The DMC Workshop Manual, and Owners Manual. 
 I've been told it isn't much of a task to return this car to it's original stainless look, but once you see the red in person you won't want to. 
Go here for some pictures of it next to my Fiero: 
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1930/myride.html
The Car is located in El Paso, ILLINOIS.  I'm asking $10,500 (FIRM) now and am taking quite a loss on it, but I don't really have a choice.
Later,
Michael Schaefer


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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:10:22 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham_at_dml_cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Non- starter.

John / List,
I have got vin 20049 started...I found the rubber pipe coming out of the
bottom of the fuel pump was kinked, I cut a inch off it and re-fitted it.
Still no flow!..I then undid the joint in the fuel line, just after the fuel
pump fuel drained out, re-tighted the joint and "hay presto" fuel through to
the fuel head.
I am still running on a temporary power electrical  feed to the fuel pump as
the live is still dead at the plug / socket.
There is no power at the inertia switch either.  This is despite me changing
the black/blue relay box, and the other two fuel related relays.
At least I can drive the car the few yards onto its position at our big car
show on Friday.
When the engine did start, it ran a little lumpy, this was soon fixed when I
found an ignition lead not clipped on the spark plug  properly.
Any thoughts on why I still have no power to the fuel pump?

Chris P DOC UK





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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:21:05 -0500
From: drinkware <drinkware_at_dml_lweb.net>
Subject: no start-new problem

Help! Car won't start. First time problem!!!!  Always ran super!!  Got progressively harder to start after driving and cooling off. Checked fuel.. poured a little   gas into the opening under the filter... wouldn't fire up.... turns over easily but won't catch....Checked spark... none. Checked inertia..ok. checked electronic computer under metal plate behind drivers seat and it's ok. ...cleaned ground connectors in the engine compartment ( firewall gadget on the driver's  side)..coil is ok... replaced condenser... have previously replaced fuel pump...has a full tank of fresh gas .....battery strong ....replaced accumulator....replaced check valve last year ...question: will the cold start switch "kill the spark"  if it is shot? My local mechanic is stuck!

Marvin
#4239


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