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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 282

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Ownership map
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

2. ADMIN:DMCNews Stuff for sale
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

3. Concours discussion
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. a DML success story...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

5. Re: Window kaput
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

6. Replacement Healights
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

7. Re: My defroster switch exploded!
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>

8. Window kaput (me too)
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

9. Interior fan
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

10. Re:1982 DMC is concours?
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com

11. Re: Window kaput
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

12. Re: Window kaput
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

13. RE: defroster switch exploded
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>

14. RE: Silicon Water Hoses
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>

15. Re: My defroster switch exploded!
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>

16. Re: Window kaput
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>

17. '81 DMC for sale
From: mbomberger_at_dml_analysts.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:24:24 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Ownership map

Not quite the same, but similar for DeLoreans exists at:

http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/img/news/n_vindst.gif

Another by-product of the the DeLorean Owners Directory through the 
efforts of Knut Grimsrud!!!

James

>There is a REALLY cool map of Bricklin ownership at:
>
>http://www.bricklin.org/WhereAreThey.htm
>
>It sure would be neat to see a similar map of DeLorean ownership!
>
>- Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:54:02 -0600
From: "David Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: ADMIN:DMCNews Stuff for sale

Well,  it's getting to the time of year again where you may need some
DeLorean stuff for (or FROM) your favorite someone. Be sure to check out
http://www.dmcnews.com/Merchandise/support.html to buy the famous Espey
poster and actual DeLorean Christmas/Holiday Cards. Yes, there are still
some of these left!! I'm getting tired of looking at them so let's move 'em
out. I have plenty of both!

Now accepting payment via PayPal, so its even faster! I can ship worldwide.
For some reason the only place I've ever had trouble with stuff getting
mangled in transit is New Jersey (several times!). Go figure.

There are a many new subscribers since last year, so there must be some of
you who have not sent out these cards yet.

Sorry about the advertising, we do try and keep it to a minimum.

Dave Swingle
Moderator of moderators & Webmaster
DMCNews - the DeLorean Mailing List




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:28:45 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Concours discussion

In the interest of continuing this discussion, and helping those who 
may be curious about concours and possibly competing, I created an 
e-groups mailing list for CONCOURS only. I do not expect this to be 
of broad interest, and if it gets more than 25 people subscribed, 
I'll be surprised.

http://www.egroups.com/group/millennium-concours

Unmoderated and open to all (subject to change if abused), I hope it 
will be a good resource for competitors, future competitors, judges 
and others.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>Most of the support I am getting for this debate is in private mail...
>
>Otherwise, it now seems like I am the only one on this "side".
>
>You have all made excellent points for your argument.  Not to say I agree with
>them all, but they are good.



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:39:31 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: a DML success story...

How many times have we all read this or something similar? I'd like 
to take this opportunity to give a big THANKS to the moderators for 
their time and effort in managing the DeLorean Mailing List.

To the naysayers (David Knudsen, for one) that would suggest that the 
DML is hurting values or discouraging people from buying DeLoreans, I 
say the proof is in the pudding, and we're all eating it here!!!

James

>Hi all from a long time lurker. Thanks to the wealth of information
>presented here, I was able to buy my "D" with a good amount of
>knowledge and confidence, and now I am the current caretaker of VIN
>3034!



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:38:05 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Window kaput

Wayne,

This is typical of the original window regulators. There are three common
failures, one of which is a cracked drive gear. When the gear cracks the
motor worm drive will jam and no longer move in either direction. Because of
the very high failure rate of  this part installing the heavy duty
replacements from PJ Grady, DMC Houston, and DeLorean Services is the most
cost effective fix.

PS: In some rare cases this problem can be caused by a bad window switch. An
easy test is to exchange the two window switches and see if the problem
follows the switch.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:32 PM
Subject: [DML] Window kaput


> With no warning, my right side window no longer works.  No movement, no
motor
> sound.  Never any funny noises.  You can hear the click of the switch
> innards... just like the left side one that works, but nothing else.  The
> lefyt side one woks as usual.  Any ideas what I need to look at?
>
> -Wayne
> 11174





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 01:48:21 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Replacement Healights

The night before last I discovered that my right headlamp had burned 
out. So as you've probably guessed I replaced it along with the left 
one. When I went to the store I found that they had the new Sylvania 
Cool Blue lamps available to fit the DeLorean. After using these, 
I'll never even consider a headlight conversion again! The bulbs are 
ALOT brighter then the stock lamps, and are much more white. The 
complete specs for the bulbs are on Sylvania's web page: 

http://www.sylvania.com/prodinfo/auto/cool/welcome.htm

Low beams:  H4656 CB
High Beams: H4651 CB

Rather then use the long H codes Sylvania put's on the box, you can 
just go by the simple codes on the bulbs themselves: 2A1 for the 
low/beams, and 1A1 for the high beams. The odd part though is that 
the bulbs themselves will say SLYVANIA on them, but the package for 
the sealed-beam version says GE on the box. Either way, they're the 
same lights.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:16:05 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: My defroster switch exploded!

There are two major causes of AC mode switch failures. Most common is the
detachment of the rubber vacuum deflector which results in partial or
non-operation of the air deflector flaps inside the air plenum.

Recently we have discovered a new problem. The rotating assembly center
shaft will crack from age and wear causing the switch to disassemble. These
controls are repairable but you may want to consider a new purchase. The
replacement switches have an additional contact that engages the AC
compressor when the defrost setting is selected; very useful for defogging.

"We're here to help you"

DMC Help / De Lorean Services / <dmchelp_at_dml_att.net>
Web Site: <www.deloreanservices.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: <RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] My defroster switch exploded!


> I don't know about a defroster switch exploding, but when I
> bought mine I found that it wasn't working...it just teeters to one
> side and doesn't "click" to go on or off.  Would anyone else know
> how to fix this?
>
> Please e-mail at RJRavalli_at_dml_aol.com.  It's one of the many "small"
> repair issues I will be asking about in the future.
>
> RJR





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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:01:38 EST
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Window kaput (me too)

Hey
Actually, on the driver's side we do hear motor sound, but it doesn't move. 
We just figured it was off track and that is the next "project" on the 
DeLorean we are going to endeavor. I may be asking about it later...

John Feldman
VIN 4275


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:09:18 -0500
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Interior fan


Hey guys...i have developed another problem.  My interior fan has stopped
working.  It doesn't work on any of the speeds.  What could be the culprit?

Thanks
  Willie
  Vin 5043




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 04:29:22 -0000
From: tmasterlc_at_dml_msn.com
Subject: Re:1982 DMC is concours?

Although we have not yet participated in a concours, we did take our 
D to twenty-three car shows this year.  We placed in twenty-one shows 
and more often than not we placed 1st.  Although we put a lot of TLC 
and effort into our D, having the winning formula at these types of 
shows(non concours) can be difficult because there is no real 
structure or guide book to follow.  We do it for fun and the love of 
our car.  The D does the rest.  We have competed in all types of 
classes with all types of cars and the D always seems to have the 
edge.

But all of these events didn't mean as much as coming to Cleveland 
and competing with our own kind.  We placed second in our class but 
more importantly learned a lot about our car and met some great 
people!  We are going to participate in the concours for the next 
couple of years and hope to learn more about our car and have fun in 
the process.  The fact that we have a judging guideline for our D's 
is a plus in my book.  Although there appears to be some grey areas 
and differences of opinion, the guidelines for the most part are 
set.  

We enjoy seeing the posts on concours competition as it helps us and 
others tune in on what they need to do to place.




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:06:25 -0500
From: Willie Mack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Window kaput

Trying cleaning out the switch....i've had a dirty connection before and
cleaning out the switch solves the problem.
Willie
Vin 5043

----- Original Message -----
From: <deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:32 PM
Subject: [DML] Window kaput


> With no warning, my right side window no longer works.  No movement, no
motor
> sound.  Never any funny noises.  You can hear the click of the switch
> innards... just like the left side one that works, but nothing else.  The
> lefyt side one woks as usual.  Any ideas what I need to look at?
>
> -Wayne
> 11174
>
>
> Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at:
> www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderator_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:47:11 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Window kaput

Wayne, Have you tried cleaning the contacts on the switch. It may 
click but the contacts could be burn't so they won't make contact.
I can take them apart and put them back together again.
John

 --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, deloreanernst_at_dml_a... wrote:
> With no warning, my right side window no longer works.  No 
movement, no motor 
> sound.  Never any funny noises.  You can hear the click of the 
switch 
> innards... just like the left side one that works, but nothing 
else.  The 
> lefyt side one woks as usual.  Any ideas what I need to look at?
> 
> -Wayne
> 11174




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:56:38 -0700
From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl_at_dml_techline.com>
Subject: RE: defroster switch exploded

If you want to send me your pieces (ALL of them) and $3.20 return postage I
will reassemble it for you at no cost.  I have provided this service for 14
years, to customers as far away as Europe.

I'd like to add one more comment to the "dead thread" on inertia switches.
They can suddenly fail with NO outward sign (button not popped up).  It
happened very embarassingly on my own car a few years ago.  Put in a new one
and all was well.  I suspect corrosion was the culprit.

And speaking of dead threads, why on earth haven't the moderators killed the
concours one yet?  Do that many of you even care???  These cars were made
for driving, not storing forever.  Those who disagree should collect stamps.
Or buy all of my 10,000 New Old Stock parts!  (Okay, don't get huffy, I'm
not serious.  But think about it - its a CAR, not an artifact.)

-- 
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680
 




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:43:08 -0500
From: "Doc" <doctor280_at_dml_email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Silicon Water Hoses

I would like to clue the list in, on the main benefit, to using silicon
hoses as replacements for coolant hoses. That benefit being, a silicon
coolant hose's life expectancy is for the life of the car.

GM used green silicon hoses on the 95 Chevy Caprice (police package). The
current Caprice that is assigned to me has been in service now going on six
years with no hose failures. And let it be known that this car is put
through paces every working day. Paces that you would not dream of doing in
your Delorean. Looking into the coolant hoses further, I have found that the
dept. has not one documented coolant failure related to the silicon coolant
hoses and many of these cars have close to 100,000 miles on them.

I know that there is a company in England that is willing to make a silicon
hose kit (for a price), including all the hoses for the Delorean. I have
passed that information on to Rob Grady so maybe soon this will be an
option.

Silicon coolant hoses are going to cost more then your standard hoses, but I
think that if you have ever changed out the coolant hoses on your Delorean
before, that the extra money spent will be well worth it, not to do it
again.

If any of you out there have purchased silicon hoses to install, please take
note: You must use wide body stainless steel clamp, that has no adjustment
holes in the inside of the band. A regular coolant hose clamp with the
adjustment holes that go through the clamp or a small body clamp may cause a
hose failure.

Robert Starling
Vin#5252












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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:57:45 -0000
From: "John Hervey" <dherv10_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: My defroster switch exploded!

Most likley I can repair it if you have all the parts. If not it may 
take a some time to find a missing part.
John

 --- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, RJRavalli_at_dml_A... wrote:
> I don't know about a defroster switch exploding, but when I
> bought mine I found that it wasn't working...it just teeters to one
> side and doesn't "click" to go on or off.  Would anyone else know
> how to fix this?
> 
> Please e-mail at RJRavalli_at_dml_a...  It's one of the many "small"
> repair issues I will be asking about in the future.
> 
> RJR




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:13:45 GMT
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Window kaput


I had a similar problem with mine (also on the right side!)
I removed the window switch gently, then sprayed electro-clean on the 
contacts. Put the window switch back on and - VOILA! The window worked!

You may have some bad connection due to dust and dirt. Also check for 
corrosion. If this is the case you can try a rubber and sandpaper and gently 
remove the corrosion. Then finish it with the spray.

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY

VIN # 06759





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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:14:43 -0600
From: mbomberger_at_dml_analysts.com
Subject: '81 DMC for sale



Just spotted this on the Autotrader website.  Thought it might be a good project
for any Dave Stragand starter kits......Vixen2 maybe?

1981 DeLorean DMC-12 $4750
Price $4750
Comments
1981 DMC-12, a unique CAR, needs TLC, partially disassembled, engine removed,
needs VJ rings, CAR is 95% complete,
 extra parts including, great project or parts CAR, automatic transmission,
intercooled turbo available, call for details,
$4750 or best offer, 661-251-4890

Just spoke to the owner (Harry) about the car and here is some additional info:

The car had been painted red, but currently is primer gray.  Black interior that
 is currently disassembled.  The car has numerous electrical updates.
Mileage on the car is 70K.  It's an early 81 with the gas flap.  Harry is
located in Santa Clarita California and has another D that he purchased new in
'82.
The one for sale was a project car and Harry just doesn't have the time to put
it back on the road.  He was great about answering any and all questions.
He did not have the Vin in front of him at the time of the call.  He can be
reached at DMCZEOLAT(at)webtv.net or at the above mentioned phone number.

Mattman





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