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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Concours discussion
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

2. Re: DMC2.com Taken Offline?
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

3. Re: Cooling fans staying on
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

4. Re: Cooling fans staying on
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. re: Window kaput (me too)
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: Cooling fans staying on
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

7. Re: Cooling fans staying on
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re:Ownership map
From: Kevin & Ann Miller <kamiller_at_dml_gci.net>

9. Palm Springs Festival of Lights Parade
From: "Hank Breer" <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

10. Side mirror questions
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:12:31 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Concours discussion

De Lorean Motor Company sells "refurbished" DeLoreans. A 
"refurbished" DeLorean is not a concours car, but is outfitted with 
the parts and upgrades to make it a reliable daily driver.

http://www.delorean.com/dmcstore/byod.asp

We can and do prepare cars for concours, if requested.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com

>Kind of curious.  DMC Houston is selling "new" DeLoreans.  How do these
>"new" cars rate in a concours competition?
>
>David Levey
>Cleveland
>6887
>



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:21:42 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: DMC2.com Taken Offline?

"dmc2.com" and "deloreanmotorcompany.com" have not been up and 
running for a while now. It looks like "deloreantime.com" was created 
to replace "dmc2.com". "deloreantime.com" is loading fine from my 
side here in Vegas. More then likely it was probably just some 
network issues w/either your ISP, the company hosting the web site 
(which by the way is located in Vancouver, B.C.), or something else 
across the internet. Next time it happens, try running a trace route 
to see where you get cut off at. If the website is down for more then 
a month, THEN it's probably been taken down.

-Robert
vin 6585





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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:31:50 -0000
From: "Robert Rooney" <dmcvegas_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling fans staying on

Check the otterstat. 

1. Unplug the wires from the otterstat. If the fans turn off, then a 
bad otterstat is the culprit.

2. Make sure that the otterstat doesn't have a jumper wire inserted 
in. If so, plug the wires back into the otterstat. BEFORE you take 
the car back out onto the road, let it idle up to normal operating 
temp in your driveway. It is possible that the otterstat switch is 
defective, and a jumper was insterted to force the fans to run 
constantly. If this is the case and you plug the wires back in, you 
might be in for a surprise if your car over heats in traffic! If this 
is the case, replace the otterstat.

3. A jumper wire may have been inserted to force the fans to run 
constantly in the summertime. I do the same on my car. It's not that 
any part of the cooling system is defective. It's just that by 
keeping my engine that much cooler, I can squeeze a little more power 
out of it.

-Robert
vin 6585



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> A quick search of the archives yielded plenty of messages about 
cooling fans
> *not* coming on, but mine are staying on. 
> Ryan McCaffrey
> #10014
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:25:07 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Cooling fans staying on

Ryan, The first place I would look is at the temp switch in the cooling pipe 
on the lower left ,looking down into the engine conpartment. Reach down and 
unplug the wires and see if the fans stop running. If so then the switch may 
be bad. The fans have to be getting a ground from somewhere. You could also 
have a stuck relay.
Fan Fail or Fan relay, if they are original. If they are then you may want to 
consider The Fan Fix. www.specialTauto.com   
John Hervey



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:51:32 EST
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: re: Window kaput (me too)

How can I fix the window cable? Do I need to take the door apart?

John Feldman
VIN 4275


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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 03:23:20 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling fans staying on

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_egroups.com, "Ryan McCaffrey" <ryanjm_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> A quick search of the archives yielded plenty of messages about 
cooling fans
> *not* coming on, but mine are staying on.  From the moment I start 
the car
> until the moment I turn it off, the fans are constantly on

Start with the obvious. Has it always done this (i.e. as long as you 
have owned the car)? I've seen more than a few of these where people 
have hard-wired the fans to stay on all the time. Normally this 
involves jumping the hot-switch (otterstat) but there are  many 
places to do it. For a while it was popular to wire the rear defrost 
switch to turn the fans on! (I don't need no stinkin' rear 
defroster!). 

If it spontaneously occurred, look for a bad otterstat or a stuck fan 
relay. To check, unplug the 'stat (in the water pipe to the left of 
the engine). Still on? Unplug the fan relay. 

The fans are also turned on via the relay thru a diode in parallel 
with the A/C compressor as it cycles on and off, but that does not 
sound like your problem. It's not a very complex circuit. I'd vote 
for the 'stat. 

Dave Swingle




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 01:24:40 EST
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Cooling fans staying on

Ryan,

  Replace your cooling fan relay. It's $10.00 well spend and it solvedmy fan 
problem.

Bill



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:41:34 -0900
From: Kevin & Ann Miller <kamiller_at_dml_gci.net>
Subject: Re:Ownership map

 Kevin,
 The red one you saw is my car. I bought #4556 about three years ago and
it was the only red D in Alaska. I have since taken off the paint and
put it back in the stainless, as far as the dealer goes, mine was sold
through Harris Ford in the Seattle area.

      kevin miller
      Anchorage  
       #4556 

   From: "Kevin Creason" <k_creason_at_dml_hotmail.com>

I spent the last 25 years in Alaska. I know there are a couple. Don't
know who, where or what VIN though....
-Kevin
#4687



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 09:20:01 -0000
From: "Hank Breer" <hbreer_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Palm Springs Festival of Lights Parade

List,

Just a reminder for anyone who wants a unique experience.  The Palm 
Springs Festival of Lights Parade is Saturday evening, December 2nd.  
This is an evening (after dark) parade.  Every one and every thing in 
the parade is lit only by white xmas lights.

This will be the 5th year that there will be a group of DeLoreans 
participating.  After the parade, we will meet at a restaurant for 
dinner and socializing.

Cost is $15.00 for the parade entry fee.  Your car must have at least 
400 white xmas lights.  For information please contact me (Hank) at 
hbreer (at) ix.netcom.com or my wife (Mimi) at mbreer (at) 
ix.netcom.com.

We have to get the paperwork and $$ to the parade committee before 
the 15th of November, so even though the parade is a month away, 
time is growing short.  Hope to see you there.

Hank Breer
VIN 1141




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:00:45 -0500
From: "Walter" <Whalt_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Side mirror questions

I'm getting ready to cut down a piece of convex mirror glass to fit my
passenger door.  I've got a lot of technical questions for those of you
familiar with Delorean anatomy.

1)
The parts manual specifies that side mirrors are different starting with VIN
5930.  Can anyone tell me what these differences are?  There are different
part numbers even for replacement glass depending on your VIN.

2)
My side mirror glass (on both sides) are held on with black double sided
tape.  Is this OEM?

3)
And if the above is OEM, then is it normal for gravity over a period of 19
years to allow these mirrors to slide down to the point that they are
resting on the bottom of the mirror frame where they rub & scrape when
adjusting them?

4)
Is there any way to pull the mirror glass off of this tape without breaking
it so that I can re-position them?

5)
Once I get them off, what should I use to glue them back on?

6)
Before I go cutting and hacking on a new piece of mirror glass, has anyone
already cut a convex mirror glass to fit the Delorean?

What I'm preparing to do is start with an aftermarket replacement convex
mirror glass made to fit a full size GM truck.  I'm going to cut a new
Delorean mirror out of the center cropping out that annoying message saying
that 'objects in mirror are closer than they appear'.




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